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Brian Urlacher Will Not Enter The Hall Of Fame Without A Super Bowl Ring

We had a fantastic story a day ago from Just Dave about Brian Urlacher, and his status as one of the all-time greats, not only for the Chicago Bears, but for the league as a whole. I'm not going to dispute Urlacher's skill as a player, his freakish physical prowess, his prototypical Cover 2 MLB skill set, or anything along those lines. However, I am going to dispute his ability to enter the NFL Hall of Fame if he doesn't win a ring during his career. Brian Urlacher may be a man amongst men and one of the corner stones of this franchise for the past decade, but neither of these are going to gain him entry into the Hall without paying for admission. Follow me below the jump where we'll look at why this All-Pro player may end up falling short.

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Now whenever the current generation of linebackers are discussed one guy is always mentioned as a stone cold lock for the Hall of Fame, and that's Ray Lewis. It's pretty much guaranteed that Lewis will gain entrance on his first ballot, and will go down as the name amongst names when linebackers of the mid-90's-00's are talked about. The question then is: what makes Lewis and Urlacher different? What makes Lewis a guaranteed first ballot guy, and Urlacher a possible never will be? That answer all comes down to the specifics of each situation, and of the teams they played for.

1. Ray Lewis played for a better defense than Brian Urlacher has.

Our Chicago Bears are just that, our Chicago Bears. It's because of this feeling of ownership that we rightly or wrongly often give too much credit where credit is undue, or allow the sands of time to embellish a bit too much. The highlights become brighter, the lowlights are all but forgotten, and we're left more often than not with an idyllic look at who players were, and who they weren't.

Charles Tillman is a ball-hawk after the catch, and is an acceptable Cover 2 CB, however he'd struggle in a lot of his years to be considered a top 10 overall CB in the league. Nathan Vasher was the very definition of a flash in the pan, and due to injuries, loss of confidence, and quite frankly a low ceiling as far as talent goes, his prowess was over-exaggerated and over before it started. Mike Brown compares fairly well to Darren Sharper, but he falls just short of being known as one of the best through the league, mostly because of his nagging injury concerns that eventually ended his stay in Chicago. The rest of the motley crew is a lot of the same, flashes of brilliance from guys like Tommie Harris, or the player's best play coming after they left the team, like in the case of Chris Harris. Meanwhile, the Ravens had respected names like Chris McAlister, Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, and even Rod Woodson there for a few years in his twilight. 

The only player that can be called a legitimate partner in crime for Urlacher is Lance Briggs. This would be perfect if the rest of the defense had been just a small bit better. Briggs could have readily played the Bart Scott role to Urlacher's Lewis, but too often the defense as a whole was good, but not great. It rarely ever got that feeling of being the impenetrable wall that the Ravens defense had, that aura of greatness. It was much too often seen for what it was, a bend but don't break system that bent a whole lot during Urlachers' prime.

Meanwhile, while the Bears were living off the backs of their defense just as much as the Ravens were, the Ravens had three more post-season appearances to show for it. They also rarely had those defensive failings and those nights where the aura was broken and the defense looked beatable. It almost always was easily seen as the pitiful offense of the Ravens as the problem, so no blame was ever laid upon Lewis' shoulders and he never really developed the tarnish that Urlacher has accumulated over the years.

2. Ray Lewis played for a team that has a lack of comparable players.

There is no Mike Singletary to compare Ray Lewis to for the Baltimore Ravens. There isn't a Dick Butkus to contrast against as not only a fellow linebacker, but a linebacker for the same team he plays for. They didn't wear the same colors, and as such aren't compared against each other under such harsh lights. Due to the fact that Brian plays for a team that has had some of the best linebackers for the last 50 years, every nuance of his game is put under much greater scrutiny. It the eyes of Hall voters there almost always seems to be a large amount of compare and contrast. Were you the best player on your team? Were you the best player in the league? Were you the best LB your team has seen? What is your place in your team's history? All of these seem to play a large role in how the voters view you as a player, as seen glaringly by the large number of players both for the Bears and for other teams that have had dominating defenses such as the Pittsburgh Steelers' Steel Curtain, or the Denver Broncos' Orange Crush. Ask fans of both teams and they'll tell you there are guys to this day that should without a doubt be in a Hall for what they meant to their respective defenses, but more often than not, only the best few players from such marquee groups find their way into the Hall.

Ray Lewis doesn't have this problem in the slightest, as he is quite literally the alpha and the omega when it comes to the Baltimore Ravens. The team has only existed since 1996, so not only is there not a comparable player at the position, there isn't a comparable name in the entire history of the franchise. It's also this focus that makes his hardware that much more impressive on a resume, because as of right now and likely for the foreseeable future he can lay claim to basically being responsible for the Ravens' only Super Bowl win. That brings us to our last point.

3. Ray Lewis has a ring and Brian Urlacher does not.

It doesn't really get any simpler than that folks. Sure, their stats compare favorably. Sure, if Urlacher plays at a decent level for another four years he should meet or surpass almost all of Lewis' stats. It still doesn't matter. Lewis will have one thing held over Urlacher's head that has more weight than depleted uranium and that's the hardware on his hand. Without that ring Urlacher will be remembered by the majority of the league as the best player on a defense that never seemed to get it done. He'll continue to get those claims of being overrated, and not living up to the hype that surrounds him. He'll continue to be seen as a great player, and a favorite of all the Bears faithful, but not the legendary figure around the league that necessitates immediate enshrinement in the Hall. As much as this test means, it's a double-edged sword though, and one he may be able to use to his advantage..

If Urlacher can pull down a ring or two in the next few years, he'll take his rightful place in the Hall. If not, he'll have to settle for his well earned place in our hearts.

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I commented in the other post on this subject but there is another thing that hurts Urlacher...

For all his physical abilities and stats, Brian lacks another trait that the other players you mentioned above have. He is not considered ferocious.

Butkus, Singletary, Nitsche, and most recently Ray Lewis are all considered to be ferocious players. Players that will not only tackle you but possibly mame you as well. Butkus and Nitsche were commonly accused of spitting on and biting their oponents. Singletary came out of college with the reputation of breaking the helmets of opposing ball carriers. Lewis may have actually killed someone, albeit not on the football field. Urlacher definitely stops people, recovers fumbles, intercepts passes, and all those things but he is rarely ever described as someone who other teams fear. They gameplan for him, respect him, but you really don’t ever hear of anyone being afraid of him.

That is the perception of all the legendary MLB’s in history, they WILL hurt you. Not saying it’s fair, but in my opinion, that will go against his making it to the HOF.

by BearFan611 on Aug 3, 2010 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hmm.

Good point. I hadn’t thought of that.

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by Ashley Czuba on Aug 3, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there is room for a "ball hawking leader" MLB in the Hall of Fame

But, you have to lead something. That’s what it comes down to really. Lach is going to get in as a leader of a team, or go down as a leader of a team. His fortune is the fortune of the Bears as this point.

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by Jacob Hayes on Aug 3, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you think

The league is moving away from the ferocious aspect of the game? With all the rule changes that hinder defensive players, I think it’s becoming harder to strike that fear into your opponents heart and mind through force and ferocious plays/hits.

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by Acreman20 on Aug 3, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very true Acreman

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by Maelvampyre on Aug 3, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

They have been legislating defense out of the league for years but

I think football will always be viewed as a “violent” game and especially at that position. You’re point is a good one and it’s even more of a reason that guys like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, etc.’ who are still known as big hitters, are appreciated more than the “athletes”. I might be wrong but I think most fans and media want their players, especially defensive players, to be perceived as tough.

Again, I’m a huge Urlacher fan but I think he has to show a little more when it comes to Pro Bowls and, as Jacob Hayes said, being viewed as a leader before he’ll be seriously considered for Canton. I just think this ferocity trait would also help pave the way for him.

by BearFan611 on Aug 4, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Urlacher has to show a little bit more to even get considered for the Hall. A couple more Pro Bowls gives him a better shot and a SB solidifies him IMO. I was born in ’87 so unfortunately I missed out on the days of Butkus and Singletary. I do appreciate and love the way they played the game and struck fear into all 11 players on the opposite side of the ball though. Sadly, the league is entering a new era where the “fans” want to see 1,000 yard games and each team score 35+ points a game. The days of smash-mouth, knock your teeth down your throat football are coming to an end.

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by Acreman20 on Aug 4, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

hah

you said “s/hits”

Is it football season yet?

by juperee on Aug 4, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Good point, could be rec’d for the Ray Lewis statement alone though.

by Fridge72 on Aug 5, 2010 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

This Question

Is not even worthy of a response, sorry. He’s not even close.

by Gesiakob on Aug 3, 2010 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

He's close.

I think 2-3 more pro bowls combined with 1 or 2 more all pro selections and he makes it on his 4th or 5th year of eligibility. If he gets named D POY one more time he’d be a lock. A ring and he’d be a lock. 4 to 5 more (highly unlikely I know) seasons with his “standard” numbers and he gets in sooner or later. None of those are impossible. But you go keep declaring opinions without backing them up. It amuses me. Oh and I felt you were worthy of a response. You’re welcome.

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by Just Dave on Aug 3, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really Gesiakob not even close ? Well then ....

… this other guy hes compared to ain’t close either then eh ………

Urlacher vs. Lewis I went through and looked at their all time stats. There were very very similar. Consider Lewis has played for 4 more years than Urlacher. I hear all the time that Lewis is a future HoF’r on NFLN and ESPN but never any mention of Urlacher. Check the stats.
                                      
Years
- Urlacher – 2000-2009 (10 Seasons)
- Lewis – 1996-2009 (14 Seasons)
Games
 - Urlacher – 138
- Lewis – 194
Comb
- Urlacher – 934
- Lewis – 1,045
Total
- Urlacher – 706
- Lewis – 754
Ast
- Urlacher – 228
- Lewis – 291
Sck
- Urlacher – 37.5
- Lewis – 36.5
SFTY
- Urlacher – 0
- Lewis – 1
PDef
- Urlacher – 54
- Lewis – 55
Int
- Urlacher – 17
- Lewis – 28
TDs
- Urlacher – 1
- Lewis – 2

He’s Hall worthy period .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 4, 2010 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Being worthy...

And actually getting in are two completely different story.

It’s already been established that there are a lot of deserving people being held out of the Hall. I tend to agree, if Urlacher retired right now it isn’t even close. He’d never get in.

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by Jacob Hayes on Aug 4, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont dont understand why its not even close

Yes im a Urlacher fan but im a realist as well. In his decade with the bears he has 6 probowls, 4 all pros, rookie of the year as well as defensive player of the year that is a strong resume for a player like him.

by Bear Lovin 21 on Aug 4, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree being ....

…. Hall worthy and getting in are two completely different issues ( see Art Monk ) . I still tend to disagree though about big 54 . So your tellin me that if both retired today neither would get in ? Their numbers are very close and Lewis has 4 more seasons on Urlacher .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 4, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

But Lewis has the almighty ring, and Super Bowl MVP next his name.

And beyond that, Lewis is seen as the leader of the most dominating defense of the decade, whereas Urlacher is seen as the leader of a pretty good defense than never won anything.

Perceptions matter when it comes to the Hall, and that’s where Urlacher falls way short. He has a chance in the next two or three years to change perceptions, because people remember the last few years stronger than most and they often tint the years preceding

For instance, if he manages to win a ring, and go to the Bowl twice in the three or four years that will color his career more than anything you can imagine. The story changes from Urlacher being overrated, to Urlacher just needing some kind of offense all the years prior. Just needing a half competent D-Line, but he was fantastic and just languishing on bad teams.

If they don’t get it done once, let alone twice, then it tints his career for the worse. It “shows” that even with help he couldn’t get it done, even with an offense scoring 20+ points a game his leadership wasn’t up to snuff. The words go on and on and on.

As I said before, when you are a leader of men instead of a dominator of men you are judged more for the team around you first and your own accomplishments second. This works for and against you, for example there is no way Urlacher is going to pull down as many nods as what Lewis received unless he has a major resurgence this year. So whereas Lewis is going to likely have one DPOY over him, and a couple of All-Pros, and perhaps a couple of Pro Bowls, it isn’t going to matter if Urlacher’s team gets it done as he’ll be seen as the veteran leadership that made the machine run and all that good stuff.

It’s a difference of perspectives because they are different players, Lewis would have got in even if he didn’t win a Superbowl, Urlacher probably won’t if he doesn’t.

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by Jacob Hayes on Aug 4, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

One more comparision

Lewis is an 11 time Pro Bowl player and 7 time All Pro with 2 Defensive player of the years awards and a Super Bowl MVP

Urlacher is a 6 time Pro Bowler and 4 time All Pro with 1 Defensive Rookie of the year and 1 Defensive Player of the year.

I always look to a decade of playing great to be considered for the Hall, Lewis has it, Urlacher is a bit short. I think another Pro Bowl or 2 and he might sneak in.

In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 4, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also its needs to be looked at ....

….. that Ray Ray was accused of murder ( may be innocent but at the very least hes knows who did the crime ) and that should count aginest his Hall hopes . Urlacher has no issues away from football . Also I just see Urlacher as one of the faces of the league since entering the league and that should add something to his Hall hopes .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 4, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's ancient history.

He wasn’t found guilty of anything… and he’s a 1st ballot Hall of Famer… regardless of public opinion.

In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 4, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I love Url but the whole “murder” thing against Lewis is getting old.

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by Acreman20 on Aug 5, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that is entirely true.

I believe that he was found guilty of obstruction of justice. He had the murder charges dropped against him because his lawyer made a deal with the prosecution which led to Lewis testifying against his friends.

by Fridge72 on Aug 5, 2010 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry couldn't remember where I saw it ....

…. or who posted it , but it was a masterful point that needed a second wind and that was where I came in . Great point my man and sorry for the piggy back action on it . :-)

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 4, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I think Urlacher is not a HOF player at this point

to say he is not even close is absurd.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 4, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 4, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He will have a ring at the end of this season.

So the HOF will be pretty much guaranteed for Lach.

by DaHamsta on Aug 3, 2010 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Predicting a trade are you?

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 4, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can assume that you are

not to bright on Da Bears.

by DaHamsta on Aug 4, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Put the bottle down before posting next time

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 5, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Wait a minute, we can post SOBER?!?!?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
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by Just Dave on Aug 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta love it

when some genius accuses you of being

not to bright

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Aug 6, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also posted on this subject

in response to another post.
I said Urlacher is a lock to get in the HoF if he wins a SB ring with the Bears.
Without a ring it will be far more difficult for him.
I don’t think it will have much to do with ferocity because some younger fans nowadays don’t realize how vicious the game was before the rules committees got hold of things.

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by Maelvampyre on Aug 3, 2010 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmmm....

“They gameplan for him, respect him, but you really don’t ever hear of anyone being afraid of him.”

I dont hear of anyone saying their ready to take him on either.

by Bear Lovin 21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually, the one criticism I hear pretty often about Brian is

other teams claim he’s not physical and can’t shed or take on blockers. The book on him seems to be that if you can get a blocker on him, he’s neutralized. You really never hear that about Lewis and definitely not about Butkus and Singletary. I really think a lot of that comes from his college days where he played more of a safety/linebacker hybrid position and too many people outside of Chicago seem to have had problems accepting him as a true MLB right from the start.

by BearFan611 on Aug 4, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the line Lewis has?

Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Justin Bannan(before e left), Suggs is basically a DE now you add Kindle and Cody thats why Lewis doesnt get his with blockers

by Bear Lovin 21 on Aug 4, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're missing my point

it’s not about the D-line keeping the blockers off of him in this case, it’s his ability to shed blockers when they do get to him. Lewis is a much more physical player when it comes to that.

I’m not arguing Urlacher’s ability or saying I’d rather have Ray Lewis or any other MLB, I’m just pointing out his area of weakness that I feel hurts him when it comes time for a HOF vote.

by BearFan611 on Aug 4, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I read the title of this article

and I simply disagree.

Ring would help, but won’t break his ability to get in, if he stays healthy and continues to perform, he’ll maek it

He's a 300-pound man who moves like a defensive back. That's what you're dealing with." — Bears coach Lovie Smith on DE Julius Peppers

by BearNecessities on Aug 4, 2010 5:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Shock Value

I’ve gotta call the author of this article out . . . your title is a blatant abuse of shock value.

You really don’t need to stoop to that level to get us to read your thoughts about the Bears — especially this time of year.

Plus, it is a really stupid notion that you need a SB win to get into the HOF.

by MakeHalasProud on Aug 4, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

It's not an abuse of shock value...

It’s a statement of my belief, he won’t get in without a ring. It won’t happen. If Dent is having a hell of a time getting into the Hall and he won two rings, and at the time of retirement was third all time in sacks, Urlacher doesn’t have a chance without Superbowl Champion next to his name.

Winning a SB isn’t required, but it helps a lot, specially when you’re a player who is seen as a good, but not great player by a large portion of the league.

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by Jacob Hayes on Aug 4, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the title

It’s atention grabbing

In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 4, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

#54 in the HOF???

He needs 2-3 more great years to accomplish this goal. A Super Bowl win (or 2) wouldn’t hurt, but right now I don’t think he has enough accomplishments to get in.

by walterfan34 on Aug 4, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Not getting in with his current resume

a couple more probowls and he may. But he has to play at a high level again to do it. Hasn’t been at a high level since the superbowl year. That was a long time ago.

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 4, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

wrong!

the year after the super bowl was one of his best

usual 120+ tackles 5 picks 5 ints and returning a brett favre pick to the house!

by Bear Lovin 21 on Aug 4, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

alright 3 years ago instead of 4

point is the same..a long time ago

"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"

-Mike Martz-

by tfrabotta on Aug 5, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Comparison...

If Andre Tippett and Rickey Jackson can make the HOF, I don’t see how you can leave Urlacher out.

by Jack7 on Aug 5, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

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