How does a Favre retirement affect the NFC North?
Here we go again. Brett Favre has informed the Vikings front office that he will not play in 2010. Now, most of the aticles that will come up in the next few days will deal with the possibility/probability that Favre changes his mind.
I'm going to go in a different direction here and assume that he will remain retired, focusing instead on the question of how a Favre retirement changes the dynamics of the NFC North.
As of yesterday, the assumption was arguably that the NFC North was the most QB packed division in the league. I would propose that, with Stafford being largely unproven and Favre retiring, the division is much less solid at the position than has been propagated.
Now, Aaron Rodgers, like him or not, is a bona fide elite QB. Jay Cutler has some questions surrounding him as to whether he can succeed without Mike Shanahan, but he's played at a pro bowl level in the past and is considered by some one of the NFLs top 10 QBs, though the point in one of contention.
But Matthew Stafford had his ups and downs in his inaugural season before exiting due to injury. While he showed some signs of ability, his decision making at times was lackluster. Some of this, of course, was due to the poor shape of the Lions offensive line. Whether that line improves, or Stafford just overcomes the poor play of his blockers, he's going to have to show something more than 13 TDs, 20 INTs and a 53.3% completion percentage to be considered legitimate. General opinion seems to be that he's on the right track though, and I'm willing to give him a break considering the talent level he's surrounded by.
The Vikings become an interesting story at QB with the retirement of Favre. Tarvaris Jackson would be the presumed starter, and his skill set is completely different than that of Favre. Adjustments to the scheme will have to be made. All is not lost for the Vikes, though. Jackson has shown some improvement in limited play last season, and he brings with him an ability to run that wasn't available with Favre. He finally broke the 60% completion ceiling last year, but only threw 21 passes, so the sample size negates the argument. But he has seen an improvement in accuracy each season, going from 58% in '06 to 58.2 % in '07 and 59.1% in '09. Jackson was generally considered to be Michael Vick v2.0 when he was drafted. And that's not all that far off the mark. He has great feet, is wildly inaccurate at times, and hasn't lived up to his billing. But then, Kyle Orton improved quite a bit from those '05 numbers.............can Jackson do the same?
Jackson's only winning season as a starter came in '07. But a lot of his success that year can be attributed to Adrian Peterson as well as the teams stifling run defense. In fact, in the 8-4 run for the Jackson led Vikings, Tarvaris threw only 9 TDs to 12 INTs, he completed only 58.2% of his passes, as noted above, and he averaged only 159.3 yards per game. Those numbers aren't much more impressive than Kyle Ortons '05 line. He did add 260 yards and 3 TDs on the ground, though. Since that time, he was benched for Gus Frerotte (The guy with the funniest sports injury in history!) after the 5th game of the '08 season and then replaced by Brett Favre in the following off-season. Jackson has performed well in clean-up duty since then, but how much weight can you place on that?
Most of the media had Minnesota and GB in a deadlock for the division, but they expected Favre to be back. How does Tarvaris leading the team change the scope?
Hat tip out to Acreman20 for catching me throwing Sage Rosenfels name where I should have been thinking Gus Frerotte! Thanks!
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Believe you meant Gus Frerotte
Instead of Rosenfels. As far as the Vikings in 2010 w/ out Favre goes, they’re done right now IMO. Every single person on that team banked on Favre returning and if he doesn’t then I don’t see how they accept Jackson as their leader. I’m praying Favre does indeed retire and the Vikes tank the season just so I can see how many of their fans turn on “the chosen one”, and say “oh, if we would’ve had Favre we would’ve won the SB.”
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Thanks for catching that......
I’m correcting it now in the post!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 3, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Kind Of Like This........................
Without Favre the Vikings don’t make the playoffs. It will come down the the Bears and Packers with the Packers holding the edge. As I predicted Favre would be calling it quits this Year. Yawwwwwwwwwn, I so tire of being right.
We'll see.
You could be right about Favre… But I think you are wrong about the Vikes not making the playoffs.
At the very least we will be giving the Bears a run for their money.
The irony police would like a word with you sir.
I so tire of being right.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
by JerBear50 on Aug 4, 2010 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
as i mentioned in another post a few days ago
queens are going straight to the bottom of the division this year and the bears will edge the packers for the nfc north title when they win at lambeau in january.
I would have to say...
That the lack of Favre only makes the division more interesting.
The loss of the Silver Fox would be a big blow, and would likely create a clusterf#@k for a wildcard slot.
It is completely possible that the Vikes, Bears and (Gasp) the Lions will be fighting for a wild card spot that isn’t even available. There are 12 teams in the NFC that I can see vying for 6 playoff berths and I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys and the Falcons taking those two wildcard spots.
That said, I think Tjack is better than people give him credit for being. He undoubtedly learned much from sitting behind Favre (learned what NOT to do that is), and has had the time needed to become a student of the game. People forget he was drafted out of a Div I-AA school with the expectation of being a 3-4 year project at best. He has the arm strength, but if he hasn’t worked out his mechanics issue, he will be throwing a lot of balls off the turf.
I tend to agree
the vikings are a loaded team at the skill position. Their Oline is in decline because of age and their new personnel has not been solid in replacing the prior lineman. Their secondary is still questionable but their linebackers are stellar. JA and Edwards are very good and Kevin williams is great but phat pat is on his last legs. Their issue is that teams are going to force the vikings to throw and take away the run and their line is just not good enough anymore to just plow through people no matter what. If TJack can get it going with his wideouts then they will still win the division.
"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"
-Mike Martz-
I think the bigger question is what effect would this have on ESPN?
Will they be able to come up with enough material to fill in the few small gaps between their Yankees coverage and Monday Night Football?
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
by JerBear50 on Aug 4, 2010 4:28 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
+1,000,000...
Besides, Favre just hates camp, he’ll be on the roster by the 3rd pre-season game!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I'm fairly certain
Tiger Woods will have started boning somebody by that point.
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outstanding
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 4, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
If he means it this time
the Vikings go from being an elite team to being at best a pretty good team. They have too much talent to become average let alone bad, but it is hard to see how they remain elite with Jackson and Rosenfels at QB. GB becomes the clear favorite in the division, with the Bears having the better chance to be their chief rival.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
Honestly...
I think Rosenfels/Jackson actually make the team worse to an extent. The surrounding talent gets dragged down by their play. But still they have solid line play and skill at many of the various positions enough to be annoyingly average and a wildcard hopeful. Is this why QBs make so much money?
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
What veteran QB's are still available?
Didn’t Bulger sign with the Ravens? I just wonder if Childress will start looking at other guys with some experience since their window is closing rapidly. I read where they have one of the oldest teams in the NFL, as far as starters, so even with Favre, they either win now or never.
If I remember correctly...
weren’t the ‘queens raving about how great it was to have Rosenfels just over a year or so ago? Didn’t they trade away draft picks or something. I hope they put in the Webb kid and let Peppers chase him around for a few quarters…that’d be damn funny!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I believe Mr Russell is still available.
Him and Jolley would have lots to talk about during Vikes/Packers games.
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Bears win the division
The heck with Brett Favre and his crap, he has become the hemorrhoid of the NFL, I really think the Bears are going to surprise alot of people, especially the jokes at ESPN, and win this division, without Farve the Queens are 7-9, 8-8 at best, he won them a few games last year in the last minutes, I don’t think Jackson has that ability, secondly the Packers offensive line was terrible last year, and if they let Rodgers get hit that many times again, there is a good chance for an injury, and they really didn’t upgrade that line, sorry I don’t think a rookie in this division will have a huge impact on an O line. Not many sports gurus are even giving the Bears a shot at making the playoffs, why? We signed one of the best pass rushers in the league, which will improve our d line, we will have Urlacher back, even though he’s getting older, he is still the leader of this defense, and helps keep players in the right position, to make plays. And finally, we don’t have some guy using “the complete idiots guide to an NFL offense” calling our plays, I think a lot of Jays issues last year were due to the fact that Turner couldn’t or wouldn’t be creative, his offense was and is to predictable, I think Martz’s offense is exactly what Jay needs, he is a qb who likes to take chances, and Martz will get all these guys on the right page, and then we can all sit back and enjoy the show.
What were they thinking?
Did you forget they made the playoffs with TJack already?
There’s 2 reason the Bears won’t meet your expectations…. Marinelli and Martz.
Jay was sacked 35 times last year… that number is going to go up, not down, under Martz.
Jay is a tough QB, but I think you should check Kitna’s #‘s for the type of season he’s about to have. (Just add about 7 more TDs)
by CLF on Aug 4, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler does not equal Kitna
Bears do not equal Lions..next.
"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"
-Mike Martz-
Actually his post was powerful and you need to respect the power.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
Well, to be fair
It was better than mentioning one guy and putting no support for it (Marinelli)
And then mentioning how another guy performed with completely different personnel in a different situation (Martz)
Remember, Detroit had no defense. How much the Bears have remains to be seen, but I’m fairly certain it’ll be more than that Detroit team.
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Where's the rebuttal?
Sure the M&M jab was tongue in cheek.
But the Sacking of Jay Cutler wasn’t. Jay was sacked 35 times last year… without Martz. Do you expect me to believe with the same Oline AND Martz that that # is going to be less? especially in year 1? Come’on….. Come’on(in my best peter griffin voice)
What am I missing?
And taking offense to using Kitna’s stats(+7 TDs) tells me you haven’t bothered to look at his stats under Martz.
Over those 2 years… Kitna compiled over 8200yds with a 63% comp; 39/42 TD/INT…. except for the td/int ratio… ANY nfl team would love those #’s.
by CLF on Aug 4, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's not the same O-Line, for starters.
The tackles in 2010 were not in their positions for most of 2009. The Center is the same, and it’s an all-out battle right now for the interior line positions.
Additionally, they’re now being taught by one of the best line coaches in the league, which in fact, does amount to a hill of beans.
And I’m quite aware of what Kitna’s stats were under Martz. I’ve used them myself to ward off those who thought Martz was a disastrous hire.
Furthermore…I will be happy with 4000. I won’t really be happy with only 27 touchdowns/season. That’s what he had in 2009 with some of the worst playcalling I’ve seen. I expect to see, bare minimum, 33 tosses for TD this year. The playcalling will bring that out of him.
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You seem really hung up on the sack category.
I’ll bite. I say 35-40.
And let’s look at some other guys, for perspective.
Aaron Rodgers was sacked 50 times last season. They were in the playoffs.
Ben Roethlisberger has been sacked at least 45 times every season he’s played. They’ve won the super bowl during that period.
The number of sacks that Jay Cutler may or may not take is not 100% indicative of overall performance for the offense. For every one of those sacks, you’re looking at probably 4 or 5 shots to put the ball downfield. That’s a good rate of return.
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So I get shit for comparing...
Jay to Jon… and then you go comparing Jay to Aaron Rogers….lol
For one… Rogers can get sacked 50 times and still end the year with a QB rating of over 103…lol… Jay gets sacked 35 times and can’t break 80….PLUS he’s never had a year over 88.5… even though he only averaged 17 sacks a year prior to coming to Chicago.
I just don’t see a QB who can’t handle too much pressure succeeding in Martz’s system…. but that’s just my opinion based on Jay’s past stats and performances.
I for one, welcome Martz back into the North division as the Lions can maybe recoup some of the 100+ sacks that we gave our fellow divisional rivals during his time in Detroit…lol.
Nice having the chat with you… drop by POD sometime and return the banter.
-CLF
Where's the Rodgers' comp?
Stating a player got sacked a lot and still had a good season is not the same as saying Cutler will have a Rodgers’ type season or Cutler is equal to Rodgers.
Martz QBs get sacked a lot, in other news grass is green and the Pope is Catholic. Sacks alone aren’t indicative of how an offense performs, especially in a Martzfence with a lot of downfield passing to make up for said sack yardage.
Now in a Ron Turner offense, that’s a different story.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
What comparison?
As SJS says, I pointed out two quick instances of quarterbacks/systems who were successful despite a high number of sacks. There’s no reason to believe the Bears system can’t do the same. Jay Cutler can take hits, he can get back up and throw it.
There’s just no reason to believe a lot of sacks instantly means the offense is no good.
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We'll see...
… I just think your expectations are a bit much for a mediocre QB who is going on his 3rd system in 3 years.
Ok, thanks for your opinion.
I mean, you did just tell me he was going to throw for around 4000 yards and 27 TDs each season, but you’re right, he’s pretty mediocre.
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Ok... I've left you alone. But no more.
Check out this link here. What does it tell you? Well it says that the Lions from 2000-2009 have won 39 less games than the Bears and are the worst team in the last decade. You have a second year unproven QB, so I wouldn’t worry about our situation when yours as usual will be mediocre at best.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
lol....
You’d think on a bears blog, you’d want to talk about bears.
Why do you think I’m here?…lol… Who do you think Lion fans root for after the season turns to shit…lol…
The team I root for is irrelevant, besides I think I’m being pretty open minded and polite during this conversation.
But you go ahead and whip the post… it won’t bother me… as your link shows… I’ve been numb for the last decade. BUT Since you brought it up… which NFC north team has allowed the Lions to sweep them during these shitty times?
by CLF on Aug 5, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll answer
2007. You’re welcome.
I’m not enough of an asswipe to bring up the 0-fer… wait, I just did. ;-)
In serious though, I think you guys are turning the icebreaker in the right direction. The next few years should give some great games.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i was at soldier field to watch
griese suck completely out loud against the lions that year. worst game i attended since the bears were in champaign.
also, cutler may not have superstar stats but he is well above mediocre (at least between the 20’s). not as good as rodgers but definitely superior to kitna and a lot of others.
by reefermadness3 on Aug 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
and how is Cutler NOT mediocre?
I mean, he’s not “elite”… he’s not shitty…. he’s mediocre. Does he have potential? maybe. Will Martz’s offense inflate his #’s… sure.
But he still has a never been ranked higher than 12th… wouldn’t you call that mediocre?
Plus, who's Cutler going to throw the ball to
with any consistency? Rookies? Not impressed with Hester or Knox. Mediocre, at best WR, talent.
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I agree our youth is a risk
but the vet options weren’t/aren’t appealing enough to screw with what actually started looking better at the end of last year.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, are we talking about a peaked/aging/declining vet in Kitna
or are we talking about a younger, still room to improve and yet to peak Cutler?
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
What stats?
The ones that showed he moved to a new offensive system, one not well versed in a passing game (or any offensive game) and he still had 3,666 yards and more TDs than INTs?
Raw vacuum numbers, correct. But for the new situation, new WRs, and showing drastic four-game improvement at the end of last year, I’ll take my chances with Cut over Kit.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Are we really having arguments with Lions Fans??
Did their rock get too crowded?? Just end it with this..
0-16
2-14
nuff said. Go back and crawl under your rock to till 2013 when you get to 8-8..
"He is remarkably bright", a "terrific talent", the sky is the limit for Cutler"
-Mike Martz-
If Fav-Ray really is done...
The division became a LOT more interesting than it already was. Now you add in the storyline of “Did T-Jack improve under Fav-Ray’s tutelage” and you’ve got not only possibly the best QB division in the league but also the most improvement.
But… I thought I heard on the radio that Fav-Ray was sighted on the Mississippi high school practice field again… Can anyone confirm and if true can we duct tape him to his lawnmower?
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 4, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions
Confirmed by Florio on WSCR
- Fav-Ray is indeed on the practice field yet again.
More highlights:
- Hypothesizing a possible power play by Favre to either get more money or more flexibility to show up later
- Also hypothesizing if Favre does come back that he will use the ankle at every given chance to explain poor play.
- Believes Favre holds all the power over the Vikings now: The Vikings need a huge 2010 season and Florio (and all of us, don’t kid ourselves) believes T-Jack will NOT deliver that.
- There’s so much coverage “even [Favre] would get sick of it.” No kidding.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 4, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I do not see Favre as devious
I believe he really wants to play, but he does not want to badly, and if his ankle is as bad as it sounds, he will likely play badly. I just don’t see as anything more complicated than that. It’s not about money, a power play or a desire to be the center of attention (although I will admit I think he will hate being less relevant), he just loves playing. he does not know what else he would do.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
yes but not in the same fashion as here
up there the wr’s will literally die after being hung out to dry between the hashmarks 847 times in a season with t-jack and/or rosencopter behind center.
by reefermadness3 on Aug 4, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with wanting to play.
If he just kept coming back year after year with none of his drama or anything, I don’t think anyone would really mind beyond “Crap, he’s still a pretty good QB and we still have to face him.” The bad thing of it is just all the “Well I want to retire.. No, I’m coming back… Ok, after last year I’m done for good… Nah, I just want to play… Depends on how the ankle feels… I’m done, I’m retiring…”
It hamstrings the team he’s under contract to, and it does give him a lot of power; it’s his terms if he wants to come back, and because he’s still a pretty good player the Packers and the Vikings (I don’t count the Jets, he was traded there and the Jets told him to scram after one year) felt he was or is a better option than what they’d field otherwise so they play through this drama thing.
There’s no need for Favrewatch. Just if you want to play, announce it and get ready for next year like any other player.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 4, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Blame ESPN and the rest of the media for Favre-watch, not Favre
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Aug 5, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I do.
But to say the dingbat himself has no part in this is just not right.
When you cry at your retirement PRESS CONFERENCE, still come back and play, you’re telling me we can’t blame Favre for anything? The media keeps it up because Favre himself keeps it up.
If Favre wants to be held blameless, he should ask Werder to move out of his house during the summer and stop leaking crap or just learn two words – “No Comment.”
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Dingbat? See there is the problem
I don’t see him as a dingbat. He knows what he wants, to play football another year, but he does not know if he can. He is trying to see if he can, that does not make him a dingbat IMO.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Aug 5, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I have said this before.
I have nothing against someone wanting to play. If you want to play, say you want to play and have done with it. Go about getting ready for the season, and if you can’t play, then retire.
I think this is the earliest in the last three years that he’s actually said “I will play if I am able to.”
But it’s when he retires with the massive press conference and everything, then when he says he’ll come back, then when he doesn’t go to camp, shows up and he’s the starter just like that… THAT is the part of the Favre nonsense that I and a lot of other people are more tired of. And he does nothing to discourage this, especially in the first couple years. The media’s jumped right on it this year because of Favre’s own handling of his retirement/unretirement as a Packer and a Jet. They expect the story because he’s still performed at a good level – or, “legend who still has some in the tank might retire, for real this time.”
I think Favre overreacted to his own thing: “I want to play, but I don’t know if I can, so I’ll retire (paraphrase).” If you want to, why not see if you still can before you retire? He jumped the gun on himself, perhaps unintentionally, but he did say that he was retiring. You think the media is the only thing responsible for Favrewatch? Favre didn’t exactly discourage any of the attention he got for this.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Proof of how little faith the Vikes have in Jackson and Rosenfels
Favre will not come back because they throw more $$$ at him, he will come back because he thinks his ankle is okay to play. He wants to play, he just does not know if he can play at a level to which he is accustomed.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Aug 5, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
i hope he does play. i want to see peppers pound him into the ground and not give the yikes an opportunity to say well we didnt have brent when they get swept by the bears
LOL
hope he does play
Why anybody “wants to see him play” is dumb. I personally do not want to see him play b/c he makes the Vikings a legitimate SB team. All the people saying “I want to see him play b/c I want to see the Queens at full strength” are idiots. The Vikings are a decent team without him, with him they’re a SB worthy team. I would much rather face a less talented team than one that can destroy us.
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They're a contender if he's there
They aren’t a 12-4 team again. They were barely a 12-4 team last year. They stayed relatively healthy all year, and got a couple of the big bounces, there’s no reason to expect that happens again.
In 2009:
vs. 49ers – wins on last second touchdown pass that’s more the result of an amazing catch than an amazing throw. 80%+ of the time, Favre over throws that ball gunslinging it. instead of a big win, it’s a loss.
vs Packers – A late rally falls short by the packers, and they win by 7. So a few bounces the other way, and the Packers win the division.
vs. Ravens – They win because Hauschka misses a 44 yard field goal.
Then they got that perfect bye week, directly in the middle of the season. In 2010, it comes in week 4. 13 straight games against an awful lot of teams that aren’t lightweights are going to be a lot of stress to put on a 40 year old surgically restructured ankle.
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Thats a pretty dumb way of looking at it.
I could switch it around and use that same logic to say that vikings actually underachieved last year.
vs. Steelers- They had 150 more yards than the steelers and completely dominated the game and time of possesion. If not for a phantom trip call by the referee, the Vikings win that game.
vs. Bears- A late rally falls short by the vikings, and they win by 6. So a few bounces the other way, and the vikings win that game.
See? Using your logic, I proved the Vikings should have actually been 14-2 last year. In addition, I didn’t use the most obvious example which was that saints game in which the vikings vastly outplayed the saints in NO and if “a few bounces went the other way”, the vikings would’ve been in the Super Bowl.
What I’m trying to show you is that you can do this with EVERY team in the league. By nature, most NFL games are close games in which a few key plays determine the winner.
I’m a vikings fan and I respect the Bears. I think they have a solid team with some nice pieces and I could see them making a push for the playoffs this year if things go right. I just don’t like when you use pointless logic to try to prove that the vikings got lucky last year and that the “Queens” will suck this year. Whether you like it or not, with Favre, the vikings are a Super Bowl contender and are the favorites to repeat as nfc north champs.
by All Day, All Night on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm...
All the people saying "I want to see him play b/c I want to see the Queens at full strength" are idiots.
Quite uncalled for and very immature.
Btw, I do want to see Favre play this year. If the Bears beat the Vikes, it’ll be much sweeter than if he retires. So that makes me an idiot? Where as you wanting to see Favre retire, makes you smart? Interesting standards for intelligence you have there buddy.
LOL
Using the word idiot was a bit much. I agree beating a team led by Favre makes it sweeter, but losing to a team led by Favre makes it that much harder. Differing opinions, doesn’t make you or anybodyelse idiots or me any smarter. Vikes with Favre are a better team than without him, that was the point trying to be made.
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