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After leaving a comment on NiqueBears' post about Scott Van Pelt, it got me to thinking about other non news items we're sure to see this season. To backtrack a bit, the Van Pelt post was about another tired "Jay Cutler has a pouty face" rant that he made on his ESPN radio show.
I guess it's a good topic for the ESPN guys to go tackle, as it is a sure way to get many Bears fans riled up, and the Bronco, Viking, and Packer fans would never shy away from a chance to pile on some more negative Cutler chatter.
Take the jump with me and I'll look at some other "News" items we'll have thrown our way, and why we shouldn't give a damn.
First off, here's the comment I dropped that got me to thinking:
Seriously
I don't give a damn about his face... Does it really matter if he looks sad/mad/distraught after throwing a pick?
It's a MOTHER F'N PICK! Should he be all happy and smiley?
If he were calling his guys out on the field or on the sideline or in the locker room or through the media... then I could see him taking some criticism. But he doesn't gripe to the media, he's not caught on the sideline yelling at his teammates, and there are no reports of him being a poor teammate in the locker room.
The Media and lazy journalism go hand in hand... this is just another example of some boob rehashing a story. See; Orton-Game Manager, Good Rex Bad Rex, Is the Tampa 2 outdated, Should Hester be a full time returner... Find a new angle fellas!
I just love blockquoting myself!
Anyway... number one with a bullet has to be Brett Favre. He's retiring. He's not retiring. For the love of god, can someone please stop him or his agent from ever texting or speaking again until he's ready to say he'll officially be back? Which will either be around preseason week 3 or right around the Viking bye week. Book it.
Next up is something that is already getting pushed down our throats... Did you hear the Bears defense is really taking it to the Bears offense so far in training camp? DUH! It's training camp!!! The defense is always ahead of the offense in training camp. Unless you're new to the game of football or have been living in a cave the last number of years, the defense is all about reacting to what an offense is doing, and until an offense is clicking on all cylinders there'll be some missteps. Add in a new offense to learn and you'll have some growing pains.
Sticking with the Martzfense for the next one. Stop me if you've read or heard about how incredibly voluminous the Mike Martz playbook is? Wow. It's so big it has us all wondering if the Bears receivers will ever figure it out! The horror! Now are you ready for the truth? Yeah, it may be considered big in relative terms, but what's in it. Tell us why it's hard to decipher from a receiver's standpoint. Last I checked, a go route is a go route, unless you call it a bomb or a "9" route, in which case it's still a go route! Sure some terminology may be different, but there are only so many pass routes a wide-out will run.
To take it even further, we have Isaac Bruce saying it took him about 3 years to fully grasp the entire playbook. OK. Great. Some reporters ran with the voluminous playbook angle after that quote. But Martz isn't implementing his entire playbook right now! When you install an offense, on any level of football, you do so in stages. An offensive coordinator will try and force feed what he can in training camp, then add stuff throughout the season, maybe even have a package or two saved for a particular opponent.
And how much of that monstrous playbook is dedicated solely to the QB and WR? Martz has a number of protection schemes in his tome for the offensive line, he has a number of offensive formations in there, the entire running game is in there, specific instructions for every offensive player for each play (he is very detail orientated), and a lot of half blank pages. So that 410 page playbook isn't really as big as we'd like to think. But listen to Chicago sports radio and you're sure to hear 'the receivers will have a tough time learning the playbook' nonsense. They'll be fine. They'll learn it at a steady pace, and the entire offense will improve as the year goes on.
But do you know the craziest thing about the whole playbook thing? The playbook most media outlets keep referencing is the one I linked to up above. The '99 Rams playbook. Has anyone other than Bears personnel actually seen a '10 Bears playbook? For all we know it might be even larger.
One other lazy media angle I'd like to see axed is this poppycock about the massive egos of Mike Martz and Jay Cutler leading them to an inevitable explosion of wills. All because Martz nitpicked Cutler's game as an NFL Network analyst many months ago. He ain't the first former coach to get on set and criticize a player and/or coach and he won't be the last. It's what he was hired to do. Anyone that has such thin skin probably won't make it to the level these guys play at. I'm glad Martz and Cutler addressed this yesterday at chicagobears.com (as pointed out by Dane in this morning's Den).
OK, that's enough off my chest for one post. What are some other "news" items that get you all riled up?
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19 million different preseason power rankings.
Hell I can’t really stand them during the season either.
And anything about the Packers, I don’t care to admit they even exist.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
How did I forget those!
Power rankings are ridiculous!
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 5, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
They are, and I really don't get the point of them.
Maybe I’m just slow but really who gives a sh*t.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 5, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Even worse...
…is when a reporter on the Tribune or Suntimes site posts an article about the SI or ESPN rankings just so that you might go to their website to get a look at what they are, instead of going to the actual website that at least took the time to rank them.
i.e.- http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/05/national-respect-low-for-bears.html
I can't get over
how bald and white Scott Van Pelt’s head is!
In regards to Favre and his evil agent, please stop asking questions to these insecure attention mongers!
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
I don't think it's his agent.
PFT posted this a few weeks ago.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
For me it's anything to do with the Dallas Cowboys
How has a team who has done so little for so long and has one of the biggest egocentric jerks for an owner, this side of Al Davis earned such respect as an elite team?
I’m tired of hearing “they might be the most talented team on paper in the entire NFL”, who cares! Call us when they’ve actually won something and stop living off of the Jimmy Johnson, Aikman, Irivn, Emmitt years.
I cringe whenever they call the Cowgirls "America's Team"
It’s a big country, and it has 32 teams. If I want to sum up my pride in American football, it sure as hell isn’t going to be represented by Dallas. Sheesh.
Is it football season yet?
Amen sister!
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What pisses me off the most is all the hate and lack of confidence in our receivers
I’ll be the first to admit we lack a bonafide #1 at this point in time, but we have a group of young, dangerous, and hungry pass catchers on this team. Three teams in the NFL had 5 receivers with 45+ receptions last year: Da Bears, Saints, and Colts. The Saints proved that you don’t have to have a superstar at the receiver position to be successful in this league.
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
by Acreman20 on Aug 5, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Just an observation.
Not an attack. We’ve NEVER had a legitimate #1 (Ok a small handful of exceptions) but that’s saying something. Really saying something. How? Why? And what does that say about the changes in the NFL and the Bears lack of adjustment to it?
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
We've missed on our draft picks
but also that the organization has never put a premium on great WRs.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Which is actually a good call...
A good QB can make average or worse WR look good, a great WR can’t make an average QB good. That’s also not mentioning the high contract demands “#1” WR have, or the injury risk/swift decline associated with the position.
I’m a firm believer that having 5 #2 guys is much better than having a #1 and then some mass of 2’s and 3’s and 4’s and 5’s. For a lot of reasons, a hurt guy is a speed bump not a train derailment. Lack of ability for “shutdown corners” to impact the game. Much less ability for defenses to “cheat” if the ball is moving in a lot of different directions to different players on the same play. That’s why I think the Martzfence is probably the best thing for us, it doesn’t need a number #1 guy. So having 3 TE that can play game time with no problem and catch the ball + 4 WR I have no issue being on the field on any given game + 1 or 2 more I don’t mind seeing in case of injury = fun fun fun. Let alone our two fantastic handed RB.
It’s a nightmare for opposing defenses as long as we can generate protection, or simply make them pay for blitzing.
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I completely agree
Especially playing versus 3-4 defenses. In the past the Bears offense has struggled mightily, but Martz’s offense may give attacking/aggressive defenses fits because of the multiple sets, formations, and motion the offensive provides.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Martz-Cutler relationship
Most overblown story this year! And I’m talking to you, Rick Morrissey!
Rick Morrissey? Yes! The relationship? No!
It’s a big deal!
Martz has historically been noted as a no-nonsense my-way-or-no-way type of coach and Cutler is a self-indulged cocky QB. The personalities HAVE to mesh in order for Cutler’s amazing talent and Martz’s tremendous offensive acumen and IQ to bring success.
I think, so far, Martz has done whatever he can to “over-indulge” Cutler and show him his appreciation, but I think what many sports writers are worried about is what happens when Cutler has a bad play or a bad game under a guy who is sort of a perfectionist.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Greg Olsen is soft.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
All indications from NFL scouts and analysts covering the Bears have say he is doing well.
He is making catches over smaller corners in certain formations and winning battles in the end zone. They are also saying that he is being used as more of a WR than a TE.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Charmin soft.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 5, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Thing is though...
… The Bears are not asking him to be a TE, so he really just needs to make more catches like this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTfo1bm7YY
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Greg Olsen = Soft like a twinkie filling.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 5, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey now leave the Twinike and its yummy goodness out of this ! :-)
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 5, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Long as the "twinkie" does his part...
… I have no complaints! :-)
Haha! He won’t be in Chicago past week 6, in my opinion, but if he is then I think he provides another receiving option for the Bears in 2010.
He certainly won’t be here in 2011. I don’t see the Bears paying him for an average career.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I like how you keep defending him. Bravo.
I’m just jerking your chain, the G-reg is soft mantra hasn’t been floated around in awhile and I figured I’d toss it out there for the fans.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
Having all these tight ends will hopefully be usefull to us if another team's TE goes down for the season.
I’d really like for the Bears to trade someone now and get some compensation rather than just cutting one to get to the roster limit. I think Olson has value and could bring a second or third rounder from a passing team.
I said that a few weeks ago...
… After reading JDs take on him in Martz’s offense during the voluntary workouts.
I see it being a 3rd round pick unless he explodes in the fist 6 weeks.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
"playing the villian, prepare for this rap killing"
If that’s what you meant kudos to you sir for tossing the Biggie nod in there.
by Chitownproduct on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You get me you really do. Thank you sir.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
Well...
Showing up to camp with a Bed, Bath, and Beyond bag doesn’t really help his cause much does it? :)
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
No, no it doesn't.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
So soft
that he only dropped two passes all of last season with over 100 targets. Man, he sucks bigtime!
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
I'm keeping a watchful eye on the Bears secondary.
We’ve already read injuries to Chris Harris and Major Wright and it seems the mysterious safety position might rear it’s ugly head in 2010 too.
I also am concerned with Charles Tillman. I think putting him on the weak side will put him in less tackling situations and give him help from Briggs (underneath) and Harris (top), but his game has been on the decline over the past few years (injuries), so I wonder how he will hold up over a 16 game season and if he is unable to— who replaces him?
Semper Fi
Same time though
Less tackling situations isn’t necessarily ideal, he’s the mad ball stripping fiend, yo.
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Ha! True.
But his coverage skills have been lacking for a couple years. And them shoulders seem like the former #23 Jerry Azumah’s last couple years with the ball club.
Semper Fi
by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Less concerned
because the team has much greater depth than the past three seasons.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Bears hatred in general
ESPN and ever other crap shoot commentator has us losing 100 games a season every year for the past? Cough…cough.. Mark is a douche
The Bears have talent and we have holes, just like every other team in the NFL. Yet when it comes to the Bears, acquiring a top 10 QB and a top 5 pass rusher, bringing back a good safety and more and it seems will make our team worse?
by TheMan1 on Aug 5, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don’t really understand all the hate you guys receive either, and I suppose you could say I hate you guys too!
Peppers signing is huge. The Tampa 2 defense requires a strong pass rush to work. Peppers is probably the best DE in the game. The other thing it requires is a good MLB, who can get deep quick to cover the seem. You lost Urlacher last season, and from there it was downhill for your defense. Personally, I thought getting Urlacher back would have been enough for you guys. Signing Peppers, acquiring Harris, and get Pino back from injury (right?) is all just gravy.
I’m not trying to suck up or anything either. Just sick of people (Vikings and Packers fans mainly) talking out of there ass about how basically your entire team is just going to implode haha. It’s just stupid.
by packallday555 on Aug 5, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I like angry Wilt
I tell you some real news. Hall of Fame Inductions are this weekend and for reasons I cannot understand, Richard Dent will not be attending…
Is there a bigger snub than Dent, in 10’?
Is there a bigger snub than Dent, in 10’?
Yeah the snub of Dent in ’09, ’08, ’07 etc….
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 5, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I agree Dent should be in but there is another Bear from that era who never seems to get serious consideration...
Jay Hilgenberg – 9 Pro Bowls, 2 1st team All Pro, 9 consecutive years of 1st or 2nd team All Conference All-Pro selections, Super Bowl championship
Why is this guy hardly ever mentioned for the HOF?
Unfortunately offensive linemen, as a group, are constantly overlooked for HOF. No respect for the position I guess.
Yet all the glamour boys couldn’t do jack without them.
and centers really get overlooked
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 6, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on the HOF Hilgenberg train
The credentials are there!
Damn, for some reason I thought he was already in there. They can’t be holding his undrafted status against him, not with a career like that.
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I'm with you on that one completely.
I personally think he should be in over Dent, though I realize it may draw the rath of rd.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I realize getting into the HOF is a crapshoot....
but I don’t think I’ve even heard his name mentioned in several years. That’s really a travesty.
Look here JerBear
You’re out of your freakin’ mind if you think that Hilgenberg deserves The Hall over…
Woosah… Woosah… Woosah… Deep breath
Lets just agree to disagree and still be friends.
And perhaps most important of all
He was an Iowa Hawkeye.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
That's not how you do it around here, this is.
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If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
Not sure but I think it's Favre's dog being asked about the retirement.
If Mike Ditka punched you in the face, you'd have to fight off the urge to thank him.
"HOW WILL GREG OLSEN FIT INTO THIS SYSTEM?"
I’m real tired of that. Also, anything from the Bears Propaganda machine. I can’t stand the way Larry Mayer rights. He sounds like such a tool. Everything’s always painted in such a glittery light with him. Anytime he refers to us acquiring Cutler, it’s always “The blockbuster trade for franchise quarterback Jay Cutler” or the acquisition of “pereniial pro bowl defensive end Julius Peppers”. We get it. They’re good. Awesome. Let’s see it. I understand saying it when the story breaks, but let’s be real after awhile. On a national stage, I can’t stand hearing about how the Queens will still be better than us even without Favre. How is that possible? I just don’t understand. I can’t say I completely blame the national media for being skiddish to give us props, though. Afterall, we got a lot of preseason hype last year and made a lot of people look stupid…namely Peter King. I wouldn’t pick us this year either if I were an “expert”. However, I feel real good about our team…especially if we lock down our safety turnstyle (another story I’m tired of) and line smoothed out (hey look another tired story). But why we’re on the subject, why can’t Lovie see that two safety positions really AREN’T interchangable??!! I thought Kevin Payne was the truth at SS. Now he’s gone after a failed experiment at FS. Afalava was good for a rookie as a SS…terrible at FS. Craig Steltz is a SS, not an FS Mike Brown was always an SS. Not a FS. There seems to be a difference in my non expert opinion. Your thoughts?
"Just gotta make plays"
HOF
the hall is so full of bears why bring another one in. that seems to be the thinking of the people in charge
Nice post
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
All the negativity over positivity.
Seems like there were 20 posts this week around the web with people being pissed off at Lovie and Co. for being positive about the upcoming season. What are they supposed to say?
Lovie: “Well, I am really concerned about keeping my job right now. I like the schools my kids go to and really don’t want to move, but with the team we are going to put on the field this season, I will probably not be back.”
Hoke: “Our safeties are horrible against the pass, and the one we just traded for can’t make it onto the field. The one we drafted can’t either, and the rest are the reason we traded for and drafted the other two. As far as corners go, everyone pray that our starters don’t get hurt, and I am not saying that as an idle thing. I need all of you to go home tonight and pray for like.. uh.. an hour or so and just keep doing that three.. four times a day until the season is over.”
Rod: “I hope Peppers can play like he did before he turned thirty, and hopefully Tommie will try this year on more plays. Right now the only thing keeping me from disemboweling myself like a dishonored samurai is that we look really good in training camp because we play against our own offensive line.”
Tice: “You can spit-shine a turd, but it’s still gonna be a turd.”
good point
I like that Tice one!
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 6, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually Higgins got pretty close to an actual Tice quote
From a Q&A with Larry, on Chris Williams
I’d like to see a little more tenacity there, but we can’t change people’s makeup. Just because I’m a turd doesn’t mean that all the players are going to be that way.
I love calling people turds!
Which is why I referenced that Mike Tice line. When he called himself a turd, he instantly became my favorite Bears coach.
Well played then!
And I like it to. Kinda has an old school feel to it.
One of my main irritations
is the assumed love for the Atlanta Falcons. I just don’t get it. I didn’t get it last year and I don’t get it now. That loss we had to them last year may have been the turning point in our season but it was a game we should’ve won. I think Ryan is a good QB but the slack he’s given is amazing. He’s kind of regular. I just don’t get the Falcons love.
Speaking of love, I’m getting sick of the Jets love too. Here was a 9-7 team that found their was into the AFC Championship game and all of sudden their great? I actually do think they are a good team but I don’t believe in Sanchez. He had 12 TDs last year and I don’t know if he’s really going to be great but only time will tell.
One more rant… The Jay Cutler criticism is of his mannerisms is tiring. Here’s the thing, I’ve watched Peyton Manning on the sidelines after a 3 and out and it ain’t a pretty site. I think what we’re witnessing is the REXification of Cutler. I know there are different views of Rex Grossman here and I’m not trying to relight old flames, but I really feel that one of Rex’s biggest problems was that he was labeled Good Rex Bad Rex after a big blow up on National TV against the Cardinals and he never really recovered. It happened to Jay after the 49er game where he was terrible. Then he went out against the Eagles and for the 1st time he looked nervous and timid to be who he was…A Gunslinger.
The best thing that happened Fro Jay though was that Viking game and the fact that Jay is just anal enough not to care about the labels and to just be himself. I think if Jay can pick up where he left off toward the end of last season he’s poised for a big season. Count me in as one of the fans that felt the Martz hiring would be a positive for Jay. I think it’s the best thing for his career. Jay needs structure but also needs a coach that understands his mentality. Jay is going to throw picks, that’s who he is, but he also has a chance to really break out this year. 35TDs and 20INTs won’t be out the question.
I couldn't agree more about Jay's expressions and mannerisms...
I’m still not 100% sold until he actually gives us a winning season, but I would hate to have all of his potential ruined by unwarranted criticism. By the same token, I don’t like when people refer to him as a top 10 QB in the league, right now he is not there. He has the ability to be in that group but there are unrealistic expectations put on him, again, until he at least puts together a winning season.
Let’s have Martz and him get the offense down and prove what he is capable of without the outside crap.
Well lets look at the stats
13th in yards
8th in TD
13th in TD %
1st in INT but 28th in INT %
19th in Completion %
11th in Completions
4th in passing attempts (with a “we get off the bus running” team)
1 of like 12 QB to start every game
He did this in his (many say) “worst year” or “pathetic” year. He had over 3,600 yards and was in the 1st year with a new team and system. Not picture perfect but not too shabby.
Besides, I do not know 10 other QB’s I could state I would prefer to have. Nor do I think it is fair to consider his Top 10’ness based on the Bears having a winning season. Unless our Defense and whole team step up, a winning season shouldn’t be on his head.
You're missing my point...
All I’m saying is that while I love his potential and ability, he has not proven either in college or the pros that he is a winning QB. Not even a better than .500 record in either. I agree 100% it’s not on any one player but some of the teams he’s been on have been pretty close to playoff caliber teams and, possibly, with a truly great QB, one of those teams might have had a winning record. There is no definitive way to tell that, granted, but you also can’t just pull out passing stats and make the other argument either.
I’m just saying that I want him to be able to concentrate on being the best QB he can be for the Bears without a lot of outside, non-important factors weighing on him. Ultimately, though, the only thing I really care about is the Bears winning games, division titles, and another Super Bowl. If he, or any QB, has great personal stats but you’re a .500 or worse team every year, then we are no better off than we were with Grossman, Orton, Steve Walsh, etc., etc.
Regarding Top 10 QB’s, not who you’d rather have or strongest passing arms, but QB’s and how they would be rated by experts, I think this list would come in ahead of Jay by most people. Just my opinion.
(not necessarily in order) – P. Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Rogers, Schaub, Romo, McNabb, *Favre, Palmer, Roethlesberger, E. Manning
This also doesn’t take into consideration some of the young guys who haven’t been around long enough to count but might be considered as good, if not better already. (Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Sanchez)
Well I can tell you right off the top
that I’d take Cutler over Palmer. That guy hasn’t been right since his knee injury and he’s had receivers there in Cincy his whole career. Eli Manning? Nah I’d take Cutler there too. But Manning does have SB ring so I can’t take that from him. Also I watched Cutler outplay Rothlisberger last year and I would honestly take Jay instead. Let’s see.. Romo has had supreme talent his whole career there in Dallas and Rex Grossman still has more playoff victories than him and if winning is one of your criteria I probably go Cutler there too. Now I do like Schaub but the guy is playing with one of the best WRs in the game and is injury prone so I’ll take Cutler.
Notice a trend? Every QB you have over Jay has played under a consistent system with one team that also happens to have better talent surrounding them. Look at Cutler’s career numbers. I can honestly say that outside of those pics that he’s elite. Now my biggest beef is that he needs to cut down on RedZone picks but outside of that I wouldn’t change anything else. I factor in the fact that, knock on wood, he’s not injury prone and has shown a pattern of making his receivers better. I just think that he’s an elite top 5-8 QB and this year it will be interesting to see if I’m proven right
The point is he has not proven he can do it yet
and all the other QB’s I mentioned have brought their teams to the playoffs, including some of the young guys who I didn’t count in the top 10. I said in my post that it’s not about who you’d rather have or certain passing stats, it’s about QB’s who can help get their teams to the playoffs and until Jay actually does that, I’m betting that any nationwide poll of football fans, reporters, commentators, etc. would not put him ahead of many, if any, of the names I mentioned (and let’s not get into the national “bias” against the Bears).
I think, as Bears fans, we sometimes have blinders on and want to conveniently give our guys too much credit. I’m sure other fans do the same with their players but I’m trying to be objective. Palmer had a pretty good year last year and made the Bears look sick, Roethlesberger had a “not great” game against us but he’s a 2 time Super Bowl winner, so do you think most people would take him versus a guy who led the league in interceptions and has a .500 record or less every year for his entire collegiate and pro career?
I’ve said it before, I’m not against him and I think he has a ton of talent but, to me, it’s all about winning and he has not done that yet. Not saying he won’t or can’t, just that he hasn’t.
But the points you make are Team efforts
A great Qb can make the offense better but not win games by himself. So if Cutler was on the Colts and won, that makes him a great QB but on the Bears he isn’t?
Take P. Manning and slap him on the Raiders instead of the Colts, are they going to win, nope. So he would no longer be a great QB? I don’t get it.
You're taking extreme ends of the spectrum...
to use your argument, do you think last year’s Bears team would have made the playoffs if P. Manning was at QB rather than Jay? There is no way to tell for sure, but I think they would have. On the other side of the coin, just because a QB is on a winning team, that doesn’t make him a great QB either (Trent Dilfer syndrome).
Again, Jay has never been on a team with a winning record and when you’re talking about the most important position on the field, at some point you have to look past the physical tools and look at the result. I go back to the last sentence in my previous post….
I’ve said it before, I’m not against him and I think he has a ton of talent but, to me, it’s all about winning and he has not done that yet. Not saying he won’t or can’t, just that he hasn’t
i shake my head everytime i hear media guys like Hub or Dan Bernstein
When they say that the wide receivers will not learn the entire playbook. I’m sure Martz understands that he doesn’t have the time to stuff all of 400+ plays down the receivers brains. The palybook will expand more as the season goes.
by Dominique Blanton on Aug 8, 2010 9:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

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