Chicago Bears 53-Man Roster Odds
by Mike Mueller on Sep 1, 2010 11:00 AM CDT
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The Bears cut down their roster to 53 men on Saturday. Thursday night's game versus the Cleveland Browns is the last chance for some of these guys to make an impression on Lovie & company. Let's break it down with some percentages as to who's in and who's out.
Quarterbacks (3):
Jay Cutler: 100%
Todd Collins & Caleb Hanie: 90%
Dan LeFevour: 10%
Unless something really crazy happens between now & Saturday, Hanie & Collins will be QBs # 2 & 3 in some order. LeFevour probably makes it through waivers and on to the practice squad.
Running Backs (3):
Matt Forte & Chester Taylor: 100%
Kahlil Bell: 80%
Garrett Wolfe: 20%
Will Ta'ufo'ou, Eddie Williams, Brandon Minor: 0%
Wolfe has not done enough in the backfield to make the team. Bell has. Wolfe is pretty good on special teams, but he's not so great that you keep an inferior running back on the roster.
Tight Ends (4):
Greg Olsen, Brandon Manumaleuna, Kellen Davis, Desmond Clark: 100%
Richard Angulo: 0%
Not much drama here.
Wide Receivers (6):
Devin Hester, Johnny Knox, Devin Aromashodu, Rashied Davis: 100%
Earl Bennett: 99%
Juaquin Iglesias: 75%
Freddie Barnes & Greg Matthews: 0%
Does Earl Bennett end up on IR? If he can't go Thursday or does go & re-aggravates his injury then I think there is a very slight chance of it. With the Martzfense so WR friendly & needy, do the Bears really go to only 5 WRs? I don't see it. They keep 6, so Iglesias makes it.
Offensive Linemen (8):
Chris Williams, Roberto Garza, Olin Kreutz, Lance Louis, Frank Omiyale, Kevin Shaffer, Josh Beekman: 100%
J'marcus Webb: 80%
Johan Asiata & James Marten: 10%
Levi Horn & Tim Walter: 0%
The Bears have only kept 8 linemen each of the past 3 years. I do NOT see them taking 9 this year with so many holes and question marks on the defense plus the need for 3 QBs, 4 TEs, & 6 WRs. Either Marten or Asiata could probably get onto the practice squad. Neither has shown much in the preseason, so other teams probably will not scoop up either or both of them. Webb is a young, physically impressive tackle project. Unless there's a redshirt season coming, he's probably in.
TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYERS = 24
Defensive Linemen (9):
Julius Peppers, Israel Idonije, Mark Anderson, Anthony Adams, Tommie Harris: 100%
Marcus Harrison & Matt Toeaina: 95%
Jarron Gilbert, Henry Melton, Corey Wootton: 67%
Barry Turner: 0%
The defensive line is a confusing mess right now. There are 5 absolute locks. Toeaina & Harrison are near locks, but Toeaina has faded recently & Harrison hasn't exactly been all that great this preseason. There could be a surprise with one of these two. Management has hinted at only keeping 8, but Marinelli loves his defensive linemen (as do Lovie and Jerry). I think they keep 9. That means only one of the 3 (Wootton, Melton, Gilbert) gets cut, or has a sudden injury that lands them on IR. Wootton is the only one who is practice squad eligible, but probably won't make it through waivers unclaimed.
Linebackers (6):
Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, Pisa Tinoisamoa, Hunter Hillenmeyer, Nick Roach: 100%
Brian Iwuh & Tim Shaw: 50%
Kelvin Smith & Kevin Malast: 0%
There are too many needs in the secondary to keep 2 special teams/reserve linebackers. I don't think they keep both. Hunter has solidified his roster spot. Roach is too good to cut, and can't be traded with his injury. Unless Dave Toub absolutely insists on it, I just don't see them keeping 7 linebackers.
Safeties (5):
Major Wright, Chris Harris, Danieal Manning: 100%
Craig Steltz: 90%
Josh Bullocks: 75%
Al Afalava: 10%
Quentin Scott & Aaron Webster: 0%
With so many injuries at the position, I think the Bears have to keep 5. Once everyone gets healthy, I could see them cutting one in the season to get down to 4. I think they have to keep 5 going into their game vs. Detroit. Afalava has to pass Bullocks & Steltz to make the team. Do either of those two play Thursday? Do either of them get put on IR? Thursday should provide a lot of answers for this position.
Cornerbacks (6):
Charles Tillman, Zack Bowman, Corey Graham, D.J. Moore: 100%
Joshua Moore & Tim Jennings: 90%
Cornelius Brown & Woodny Turenne: 0%
I think the Bears have to keep 6 corners. There's just too much receiving firepower in the NFC North & the NFL. There's too many question marks in the secondary also. Nobody has shined; but D.J. Moore has looked pretty good. If the Bears do go to 5 CBs, then Jennings looks like the odd man out.
TOTAL DEFENSIVE PLAYERS = 26
Specialists:
Patrick Mannelly, Robbie Gould, Brad Maynard: 100%
- Last 5 in: Gilbert, Melton, Iwuh, Bullocks, Iglesias
- Last 5 out: Wootton (mysterious injury: on IR), Asiata, Shaw (my heart breaks), Afalava, Wolfe
That's my take.
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I've got a LeFevour
And the only prescription is more cowbell.
by ClawsClawsClaws on Sep 1, 2010 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
I've got a LeFevour
And the only prescription is more weak-armed throws over the middle into tight coverage.
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by Sam Householder on Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought Asiata had a decent camp and was liked by Tice? Also, why this:
I think the Bears have to keep 6 corners. There’s just too much receiving firepower in the NFC North & the NFL.
Six players for two positions… and it’s not like we can put all six players out there at once. And hasn’t LB actually been a bigger area of injury concern. It would make sense to dedicate our additional resources there.
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I agree with the post
We usually keep 10 DBs. For Corners, you need the starting 2 Corners, the Nickel, and typically a Dime…Then you need backups.
The point I think is wrong is 5 Safeties. I think we keep 4 safeties and 6 CBs personally.
by Brendan Hess on Sep 1, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Manning's listed as a safety...
Isn’t he usually our starting NB?
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by David Taylor on Sep 1, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll probably be the NB when season starts.
He just doesn’t have the wits to play Safety in a C2. He’s athletic and can take all the angles and speeds, but doesn’t know how to recognize routes or make solid tackles. He’s a big liability on the football field.
He’ll be trade bait for week 6.
Semper Fi
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 1, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they keep 5 initially, but cut someone in season. (like they did with TEs last year)
Major Wright and Craig Steltz haven’t played since PreSeason 1, and Steltz might not be ready for game 1. Bullocks has barely played either. I think they need 5 on the roster just to get through the first part of the schedule and to make sure MW can handle starting. Once he’s established I could see Bullocks or Steltz cut to make room for another area of need.
by Mike Mueller on Sep 1, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll admit
I’ve softened a bit on my belief the Bears will carry 6 WR. With the way Olsen has moved around I can see them giving him some reps as a WR. I still think 6 WRs will find a way, but I will no longer be surprised if it’s only 5
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 1, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
Good to hear!
It’ll actually help in either the safety or SP/Ts that could use that extra player.
I think 6 might be the way management sees it (Iglesias is one of “Jerry’s Kids”), but it will be at tghe expense of someone who could contribute in 2010 and not 2011.
Semper Fi
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 1, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope DJ Moore makes it
Ive been encouraged by his performance this offseason. I think people are a little bit hard on him. He is only in his second season, and yet some guys trash him as if he is a 5th year player player whos been given every chance to succeed (i.e. Danieal Manning). Hopefully he can continue to develop.
Bennet on I.R.
If they put Earl Bennet on I.R. do they continue with 5 wr’s or do they keep Freddie Barnes or Greg Mathews?
careful
before the Wolfe apologists attack
Wolfe is pretty good on special teams, but he’s not so great that you keep an inferior running back on the rosterI basically made the same point last week, and apparently I had forgot that Garret Wolfe is the greatestspecial teamerfootball player in the Bears history.
Wolfepack vs the Bellboys?
Seriously, though. Claiming one has been better than the other this pre-season is ridiculous……
Bell has 17 carries for 39 yards. Wolfe has 8 carries for 18 yards. That’s 2.3 YPC for each. In the only game they got equal carries in to compare, Wolfe was 6 for 13 and Bell was 6 for 10. Nothing stellar for either.
I am confused by the “Wolfe has not done enough in the backfield to make the team. Bell has.” comment though.
So running for 2.3 YPC at slow speeds is enough to get you a roster spot. But running for 2.3 YPC at high speeds isn’t? Really? Can we stop shilling for one or the other, now? Because Bell hasn’t shown a damned thing other than he can get to the same place as Wolfe only slower.
After watching both in the pre-season, I’m a bit irritated that the Bears let go of Brandon Minor when both Wolfe and Bell aren’t showing anything like a true desire to be on the roster. Why not let Minor show what he has in the final preseason game, and release whichever one of the these two you’re less high instead of Minor. Come on. I’d think considering the people we currently have running for #3, the mgmt would want to see what Minor actually has in game. ugh………
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I really just wanted an opportunity to say Wolfepack.
But you’re completely right.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 2, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope......I wanted an opportunity to say "Bellboys".....but close enough......
on a side not, doesn’t that (Wolfepack vs Bellboys) sound like The Battle of the BoyBands?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not the Bellhops?
Unless there’s another reference I’m missing.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 2, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Also good....
would be Bellbottoms and the Belltower Brigade…….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Wolfepack v/ Belltower Brigade
would be one hell of a WWE show.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 2, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Right!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll simply note
that having multiple skills enhances your value to the team.
AFAIC, Bell and Wolfe run equally badly behind the Bears offensive line with their equally offensive play calling. (As an aside, if I never see that dumb play with the FB lined up at TE motioned to the backfield strongside, and then an offtackle run to the weakside, it will be too soon) Both are going to be at best emergency options behind Forte/Taylor, with the possibility of touches as a change-of-pace back. Does Bell really run that much better? Not really. Both averaged 5.5YPC last year. Wolfe caught more balls. Wolfe plays special teams.
From a value standpoint, Wolfe>Bell. Of course, your mileage may vary.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I was really hoping that Wolfe could be utilized in Martz's offense
considering his speed and shiftiness. But, the notion of him succeeding in a gimmicky scheme may simply be more of a romantic thought than reality.
So far this preseason, he’s had:
8 rushes for 18 yards
3 catches for 2 yards
3 STs tackles
And nearly all of his work came against 2nd and 3rd string defenses.
Bell has shown a nice burst at times when hitting the hole, and has the ability to get a couple extra yards after contact. I think Mike is spot on keeping Bell and letting Wolfe explore other options.
Plus,
aren’t we trading Wolfe and Afalva for Brandon Marshall?
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by David Taylor on Sep 1, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That was all a "pipe dream" by Angelo.
Who would trade for players that they KNOW you are going to cut in a few weeks?
I thought Wolfe would be the odd man out in the beginning of the offseason as he just doesn’t do much at this point. Perhaps a different running system will and a “fresh start” will give him new light.
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 1, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness to Wolfe
most of his work if not all of it came with the 2nd and 3rd string offenses, who are even worse with the Martz system than the starters have been.
I like Bell’s north-south ability, but he doesn’t come with hands and he has zero ST value, which is why I say Wolfe at the end of the day has a better chance of sticking.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Wolfe had a slightly higher YPC than Bell in the pre-season
So I don’t see how either has performed well but Wolfe is superior on special teams and that should allow him to stay.
Yards per carry don't matter when talking about Wolfe vs Bell.
Wolfe’s place isn’t to have a high YPC, it’s to make big plays and throw defenses off. He’s gotten the touches this preseason, but has yet to explode or make anything exciting happen.
And I’m not so sure you could call Wolfe’s STs play anything special… certainly not a reason to keep him around. Had Wolfe made some plays, juked someone out of their cleats, blazed up the sideline after a dumpoff pass… anything against the backups he’s been facing… then yes, that’s what he could bring to the table in Martz’s system.
The only problem is, he hasn’t done anything.
Exactly......
Why is it that so many people say things like “Wolfe hasn’t done this or that” but then promote keeping Bell on the roster when he hasn’t done “This or that” either?
And I didn’t want to end this comment without asking Dane a couple of question……..What matters? Production? YPC is part of that. Saying you cannot compare them, when RBs are almost universally compared by YPC, along with YPG and Total yardage, seems a bit iffy to me.
With that in mind, what has set Bell apart from Wolfe, then? Did he look better rushing for the same yardage as Wolfe? Because to me, that seems like a very shallow argument. A RBs job is to get yardage. If two RBs are getting the same yardage (as Bell and Wolfe have done both last season and this pre-season) then they are equally productive. Of course, situations can change that. Goal line yardage and short yardage situations can alter YPC. But neither is being used as a situational rusher, so that doesn’t apply here. So, I am asking you the same question I have posted repeatedly. What has Bell done, specifically and non-subjectively, to set himself apart from Wolfe as a rusher. I’m not seeing it.
Which is what makes me wonder why Minor was released without taking any pre-season snaps. If either Bell of Wolfe is gone anywauys, why not release one of them now, and use the final preseason game to see if Minor can set himself apart from whoever is left in actual game-time situations? And I still think AP should have been resigned……….so there.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
*re-signed, not resigned......lol
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Neither has Bell.
The team could just decide that they’re better off with a roster casualty instead of bell. Derrick ward anyone? Or they can wait for players on the roster bubble like kevin smith, willie parker, or willis Mcgahee. That way, wolfe stays strictly for special teams. Sure, it’s a longshot that they actually consider the expensive route, but better backs than bell will be hitting The open market this weekend.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Sep 1, 2010 2:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry, who are you, and what are you doing on our website?
Also, why look for a more expensive route when we have Forte and Taylor?
Considering he has around 3400 posts here
I think he’s entitled.
As far as Wolfe/Bell, I’ve made my case. Also, if they’re that worried about Bell, isn’t he able to go to the PS if he clears waivers? He’s only played seven games.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm
Reading the wiki gives a different impression.
However, a player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons, or if he has accrued a year of NFL experience (six or more games on a club’s 53-man active roster or official Injured Reserve list.) If the player was on the active list for fewer than 9 games during their “only Accrued Season(s)”, he maintains his eligibility for the practice squad1.
I can’t remember when he hit the active list. And Wiki sometimes has a being wrong problem.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah we don't listen to him when he posts anyway.
I have almost 5k, does that entitle me to anything?
Maybe a BRAND NEW CAR!!!!!
David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/
Or grand jury testimony.
Oh wait, we’re talkin about blog posts, not baseball stats.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Sep 1, 2010 3:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure anymore what we're talking about
but one thing I do know is….
Mark Schlereth is a douche and he proved it on Mike and Mike this morning. Go F yourself Roc Hudson.
David Taylor's personal hype man. Check out his website unless you're a loser. http://www.cheekymonkeyart.com/
Considering he has around 3400 posts here I think he’s entitled.
Considering you have a grand total of 20 comments here, and are a Lions fan, then it doesn’t surprise me at all that you don’t understand my comment to ifuwanna.
Thanks for playing though.
Hostility not necessary
I may be looking forward to Game 1 based on what we’ve seen so far, but I save my hate for the Packers and Viqueens.
And who I root for and how much I post don’t mean a thing compared to the hard numbers, which state that Wolfe>Bell in every way other than salary and perception among WCG folks.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No hostility was intended I believe.
There’s… kinda an inside thing there.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 1, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
As stated. no hostility intended.
But your reply just now had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Good lord, man! Have i tought you nothing?
Look at what teams like The redskins, the eagles and the jets are doin. Forte can’t be trusted to stay healthy, Taylor is not an every down back. We need a third back that will get more than 20 carries this season, while at The same time provide nice insurance policy. I don’t think bell is up to that task.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Sep 1, 2010 3:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, you have taught me to never capitalize names of NFL teams,
to only capitalize someone’s last name occasionally, and to randomly capitalize the word “The” even when it is not the first word of a sentence.
How’s the baby mama treating you? Glad to see she gave you internet privileges back.
by Dane Noble on Sep 1, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Lmao
Dane, you rock my world. Now impart that knowledge to Adam.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Sep 1, 2010 4:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bahahahahaha.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
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I make this post green!!!!
I AM DITKAVSWOOOOOOOOORRRRLLLLDDDDDDD.
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It could be
but since Grey Skull is actuall a place and not a person I asked Ditka and he approved it.
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Well of course I asked Ditka
I’d be a fool not to.
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Neither was
Dennis Gentry.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Off-Topic
I think this is off the subject, but does anyone else watch this Matt Leinart fiasco with a grin on their face? Does anyone else like to think that his debut against the Bears was going so great and then we just took it away him with good defense/ST and he’s never recovered? I like to think that…and it makes me grin.
by ClawsClawsClaws on Sep 1, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions
Nah
He’s a Trojan QB, they’re always overhyped.
On the other hand, it may have been the final nail in Denny Green’s coffin, so it was worthwhile anyways.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, isn't Denny already off coaching Arena or Canadian League or some such thing?
I thought he was amusingly re-teamed with Daunte Culpepper in one of those leagues, but maybe it was just all a hilarious dream…
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 1, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
In short...
He ended up being exactly what we thought he was.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 1, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing Hunter Hillenmeyer traded for a 6th or 7th round pick
and keeping both Shaw and Iwuh. Iwuh is a guy that has the potential to be every bit as disruptive as Shaw.
I’d probably even be okay with straight up cutting HH, but that wouldn’t happen I suppose.
That's also assuming that Roach could not grow and learn.
Yes, he struggled mentally when thrust into an unsuspecting role. But honestly, his athletic ability alone makes him viable. Take that, along with a year of growing, maturing, and learning, and I think we’d be just fine.
Then again, maybe you think he has peaked mentally, and that he will always be what he was last year. But I’d think that he certainly has had time to develop and learn.
While I am all for trying Roach out more
Not sure that cutting or trading HH for a 7th rounder is a risk we can take at this time. HH proved he has better command on field and play, if Roach can grow into that role and the position then great but that is a big TBD to go cutting HH already.
You all continue to underestimate
The power of Kevin Malast.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure, if Roach spent even 1 minute taking reps at MLB this offseason & TC.
But that’s not the case. These coaches have determined that Roach is not an MLB. It’s not my evaluation of Roach, I’m just guessing at Lovie/Rod’s evaluations. And from everything I’ve seen & heard & read, Hunter Hillenmeyer will 100% be on the roster come Saturday night because he’s the only MLB to back up Urlacher.
Hmmm.
But if (God forbid) Urlacher gets hurt again this year, who fills in as the mike if HH is gone?
WIth Urlacher's health always a question mark
you’d trade Hillenmeyer for a 6th or 7th? That’s pretty stupid considering he’s the only LB with real extended game experience at MLB. He would be much more productive than Shaw or Iwuh at MLB if anything happens to Urlacher.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Sep 2, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
OK
If Bennet makes his way onto the IR then Matthews makes the team at the 6th WR.
And Shaw WILL make the team.
He WILL. Period. He’s a special teams captain.
He makes the team.
I could see Steltz possibley making the IR, if that happens then Afalava is in. If not then Al’s days in chicago are over.
As far as the running backs, i could see Bell making the team. Although the only problem is he is way to slow to take Wolfe’s spot on ST. Which means one of the CB or WR will have to take Wolfe’s spot.
Other than some of the minor things i listed, i see it going pretty much the same as you
And that man is Corey Graham. He made a real nice play on ST last game.
He’s not the starting nickel back anymore, DJ Moore has passed him up. So it’s Graham’s beat now.
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Yeah, when I made my list, it was pretty close to this. I had Wolfe making it for ST value, James Marten just avoiding final cuts, and Iglesias and Gilbert cut as well. I went with 7 LB (Malast over Iwuh) because I’ve seen Malast in on more plays, he’s been more impressive to me anyway. I know there will be surprises every year, but somehow I don’t think it will play out the way we think it will. Do you think there’s guys we could pick up off waivers that would change this in any way?? I myself am hoping there is OL help on the way.
Olsen could still be dealt
Now, it seems possible that the struggles of 2008 first-round pick Chris Williams could lead to a trade of 2007 first-round pick Olsen because newly minted veteran tight end Brandon Manumaleuna has to play as an extra blocker.
by boondock_saint812 on Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions
Don't believe it.
There’s no point in trading him now. We won’t get fair market value for him.
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by ifuwannacrownem on Sep 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, you will
The problem is what you consider fair market value is probably inflated.
Tony Scheffler cost us a fifth rounder, and he produces better than Olsen has.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 1, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummmm No.
I’ve pulled stats from NFL.com and I’m only comparing 2007-2009 since Scheffler has been in the league a year longer. If these stats show anything, it the opposite of your claim and it shows that Scheffler has become less productive over his career and G-reg has improved his productivity every year. BOO YAH!!!!!
Tony’s Stats
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2009 Denver Broncos 15 31 416 13.4 27.7 52 2 5 1 19 02008 Denver Broncos 13 40 645 16.1 49.6 72 3 13 1 28 1
2007 Denver Broncos 16 49 549 11.2 34.3 41 5 5 1 29 1
Greg Olsen
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2009 Chicago Bears 16 60 612 10.2 38.2 41 8 9 1 33 02008 Chicago Bears 16 54 574 10.6 35.9 52 5 6 1 31 2
2007 Chicago Bears 14 39 391 10.0 27.9 31 2 6 0 19 0
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 2, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I stand corrected
Thanks for that.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 2, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
No problem
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 2, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
OL
I hope J’Marcus Webb makes the cut. I’ve seen him play in a couple of games at WTAM and he showed some real skill. Granted, the division he played in wasn’t the strongest, but the kid shows some real potential.
Hey, we could free up an extra roster spot...
…if we let Desmond Clark continue long snapper duties and let Pat Mannelly go.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
sigh
Just kiddin!
"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter
humor fail.....
Stoning is acceptable when even jokingly suggesting that Ditka’s illegitimate son (otherwise known as Manly Mannelly) be “Let go”……
This is your one warning, sir……… ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
I’m just still so traumatized by watching the Oakland game (sans Mannelly) and the horrors that unfolded without him there that I am reduced to hysterical laughter and slowly rocking back and forth in my chair.
"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter
Hey, it's late for me.......
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Lemme alone, Dane......... :(
I haven’t slept yet…….
Sorry, juperee…….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
We have a support group for that.....
It’s called “Being more Mannelly” and we meet at suckmyditka’s house on Wednesday nights………….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Psst...
it’s actually “ma’am” :]
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Yes.....I realize that......
See above :)
I work third shift. I posted pre-sleep. I failed…….. :(……….the I apologized :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think she'd be offended...
and after I posted I realized it had been said before. My apologies to you as well, sir. :]
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Editor/Writer for WindyCityGridiron.com
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 2, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wolfe Vs. Bell
I’am sorry Mr Mueller but you’ve been trying to get rid of Garret Wolfe forever. Between Wolfe and Steltz I have a serious problem with whether you or management has a clue about talent or how to use it. If you knew anything aout Wolfes history you might know that he was not number one on N.I.U. running back list, but ended up being a pretty good running back for them. I mean heck he’s had a lot of opportunity given to him by the very offensive Turner and the only person whom uses him is our best coach Toub. Then you have Steltz whom makes plays on defense, but our great leadership leaves him on the bench . So probably you should be a coach also? Not!!!!!!!!
Blah blah blah leading NCAA rusher blah blah blah NIU rushing leader blah.
Wolfe’s not exactly blowing anyone away even when he’s been in. That’s why he’s not supplanting Forte.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 2, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It's only arguing if they come back.
;-)
Though, I did have trouble deciding whether or not to use that answer, or to use “The MAC is nothing compared to the NFL,” or “Wolfe may be improperly or sparingly used but you’d think he’d do something better if he were better…”
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 2, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
But Dane.....
He supports Steltz! LOL ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 2, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
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