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Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Cowboys Edition

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The Chicago Bears have won four straight games, and have started the season 2-0 for the first time since that magical year of 2006.  The first victory of this season came against the Detroit Lions, and many fans were thinking out loud about how we would never have won that game against a quality opponent.

To go into Dallas and beat the Cowboys in their home opener should quell a lot of the criticism.  It was a hard-fought battle, but the Chicago Bears played nearly mistake-free football, and raised a lot of eyebrows in the NFC with the victory.  Are the Bears really legit this season?  We'll see.

A few things that I wrote down during yesterday's contest:

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- Johnny Knox's 42-yard opening kickoff return was beautiful.  Nice way to open the game on the road.

- Brandon Manumaleuna is a big boy, and needs to keep developing into a FB.  We'll need him on the goal line.

- Jay Cutler was sacked on the second play of the game.  The Bears then called a timeout.  Why?

- 3rd and 13, Cutler throws a 6-yard completion before getting hammered by Demarcus Ware.  Way too short of a completion.

- Tommie Harris was drawing double teams early, and seemed to be freeing up space for Anthony Adams and Matt Toeina.  Not sure why the criticism towards Tommie in the game threads last night.  If he is getting doubled all game, then he is being effective by default.

- The defense showed up early in this game as well, with Lance Briggs making a huge tackle for a loss, and Charles Tillman/D.J.Moore teaming up for the games first INT.

- Bears opened up second series in the Wildcat formation, but shifted out of it pre-snap.  Hmmm.

- Chris Williams getting hurt early did not do any favors for Cutler.  Omiyale did okay at times at LT, but Shaffer does not need to be on the field for extended periods of time.

- Jay Cutler slid head-first on his early scramble in the 1st Quarter.

- Corey Graham had a great ST tackle on kickoff coverage.

- Matt Toeina was playing very aggressively in the middle next to Tommie.  Anthony Adams was also flying around making plays.  Between those two guys, we've got a pretty good rotation.

- Towards the end of the first quarter, we started seeing more 1-step drop and super-fast passes from Cutler (quick toss to Hester, and the TD pass to Olsen with an empty backfield).  If you can't hold your ground on the OL, then you have to just neutralize the pass rush by running plays that get the ball out of Cutler's hands instantly.  Nice playcalling.

- With Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs getting all of the attention, Pisa Tinoisamoa was also getting involved in the fray.  If he can stay healthy, he is going to really be a bright spot on the defense.

- Danieal Manning played more aggressivley than I have ever seen him play.  He was all over the field, and was lowering the boom on some ball carriers. 

- Speaking of lowering the boom, how in the hell did Roy WIlliams hold on to the ball when Chris Harris drove over him?

- When Tony Romo has time to throw, the guy is good.

- It's nice to see the CBs not giving the WRs a cushion on 3rd down and short.

- When Cutler has time to throw, he has shown for two straight games the ability to be deadly accurate.

- I've been saying this for two years now (go back at last years Scribbles posts): Charles Tillman is not good at pass coverage, and falls down way too much.  Three times last night he fell down in coverage, and twice he was completely unaware of where the WR was.  But, he causes fumbles, so people overlook the other stuf.

- Forte + pass blocking = ___?___

- D.J. Moore benefited from being in the right place at the right time last night.  As stated last week, he is okay in pass coverage, but for the second straight game, he is a liability in the run defense. 

- Wondering where Devin Aromashodu was last night?  Sean Jensen wondered if he was still recovering from the beating he took in week 1, but Brad Biggs guessed that he may have been demoted due to the dropped passes last week.  Either way, I'd bet we see him plenty next week against the Packers.

- What's with all of these touchbacks on kickoffs?  What a nice surprise.

- Matt Forte is good at football.

- Israel Idonije was disrupting a few plays in the thrid quarter, and helped Tinoisamoa clean up a couple of times.  It was funny to see Izzy straight juked by Romo in the 4th though. 

- I made multiple notes about Matt Toeina in the third quarter being aggressive in the middle. 

- Our defense was swarming to the ball to start the 4th quarter.  Looked good.

- Our short-yardage offense still does not look good.

- Brian Iwuh looks really good in pursuit on punt coverage.

- Two games into the season, and opponents are already missing FGs against the Bears.  We seem to have a knack for that.

- At the exact moment that the Bears scored in the 4th quarter, the Dolphins held the Vikings on a 4th down play.  The universe was all aligned and stuff at that very moment.

- A final thought about the trenches: The OL is still not looking good, but Mike Martz is doing a great job with playcalling to help himself out.  Like last week, a lot of traps, misdirections, crosses, 1 yard drops, etc.  While that is working early in the season, we have to have an OL if we are going to compete in the playoffs this year.  As far as the DL goes, the pass rush didn't show up often enough yesterday.  We saw flashes, and a few good plays, but we were more neutralized than anything.

Bonus links:

John "Moon" Mullin's report card.

David Haugh's thoughts on the game.

Steve Rosenbloom's commentary on the game.

Rick Morrissey's recap of the game.

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what might rank in the top 3 of ridiculous Lovie Smith challenges of all time. OF ALL TIME!

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by Kev H on Sep 20, 2010 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought the same thing at the time

he is unbelievably bad at that. The front office needs to hire a high school kid to look at replays and give him/her the authority to override Lovie’s decisions when it comes to challenges. They’d have to do a better job.

by BearFan611 on Sep 20, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, that'd be great.

Hire a team rep. Every time Lovie throws the flag, the refs look at the rep, and then the rep just shakes his head no, and then they politely give the red flag back to Smith.

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by Kev H on Sep 20, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes... yes... yes...

But Lovie wasn;t nearly as bad of a caoch yesterday as the Texans Kubiak. what a moron that guy is.

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by SackMan on Sep 20, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was better than a lot of his challenges

I knew it was gonna be lost the minute I saw the replay but taking a shot at getting a fumble when the cowboys were inside the 10 threatening to score isnt a bad risk.

by lopey986 on Sep 20, 2010 9:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

True.

But, he was going off of his player’s reaction to the call, then actually reviewing the tape up top. THe entire unit was up in arms about the call telling him to throw the flag.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not really fair

the Cowboys were hurrying to the line to snap the ball and not having the time to review the play, I thought it was a good challenge. It was worth a first half TO to review the play more thoroughly.

by McRipper on Sep 20, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I've seen far worse challenges.

Didn’t think this was bad at all. maybe we’re just becoming desensitized to it?

by Arbusto on Sep 20, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

I liked this challenge, cause the announcers were saying the ball was being bobbled prior to his elbow hitting the ground. With that said, he is pretty awful at challenges.

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by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a Bears fan who lives in DFW and was at the game

It was awesome! The stadium was about 1/3 Bears fans in a conservative estimation and everyone was pumped. Seeing Cutler getting harassed in the 1st Quarter I thought we were in for a long game. Mike Martz earned his money yesterday with his adjustments after the first few drives. Truly the difference in the game.

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by CoachEtch on Sep 20, 2010 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

That kind of tells you that the Dallas fans considered this to be a cakewalk.

The fact that Chicago fans were able to have access to that many tickets. No respect. Maybe they have respect now. Nah, they’ll just say that the Cowboys played lousy.

by BigGeorgeTX on Sep 20, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

On talk radio this morning

It was still zero respect for the Bears. All of it was focused on the Cowboys not doing this or that. I guess some of that is expected from a homer radio station but it will was in no way objective.

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by CoachEtch on Sep 20, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

This might be nitpicking because he had a very good game otherwise, but...

I’d like to see Hester learn to stretch out a little on those long throws. The pass along the right sideline was only about 6 inches too long but a catch that a more experienced WR should make. That happened a few times last year as well so it’s something that I’d like to see the coaches work on with him.

by BearFan611 on Sep 20, 2010 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Newman

Bumped hester’s arm right before he extended so he couldn’t reach out fully.

Watch the play, there should have been a flag.

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by suckmyditka on Sep 20, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that too when I first saw it but then they showed a different angle and the bump happened early enough

where he could have still made the catch. Like I said, it’s nitpicking in the overall scheme of this game, but it’s something that I’ve noticed before with Devin. Also, that bumping and grabbing goes on all the time in the NFL and if he’s going to become the premier WR I think he can be, he needs to learn to fight through that.

by BearFan611 on Sep 20, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watch at full speed.....

Too many people watch plays in slowmo and then make an opinion. Watched in slowmo, it looks like Devin had time to adjust. Watched at full speed……no likely. Should’ve been a flag on that play. Even the wife was screaming for the flag…..

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 20, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's cool, but.....

when you’re running at full speed, what looks a small infraction can throw off balance and momentum. I disagree that it played no part.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it played no part but you see players with more experience and

who are used to having DB’s swatting at them make those catches a lot. It wouldn’t be an issue if it wasn’t a similar problem that we saw a few times last year as well. Like I’ve said many times here, I think Hester has made great strides as a WR and with an offense that really doesn’t need a #1 because it gets spread out so much, he can have great success. This is just one of the areas that I’d like to see the coaches work on with him.

by BearFan611 on Sep 21, 2010 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just think people assume too much.....

The ball bearly touched his finger tips just after his arm gets dragged. I’d say that I need a little more than that to call someone out. And that’s where I think I get annoyed a lot is people feeling the need to call players out for questionable things.

I’m not jumping on your, BF. I’m speaking in general, and kinda explaining my demeanor about the whole thing.

BTW, can you explain what a #1 receiver is for me? It seems to be some sort of defined thing, that everyone seems to understand and us to compare against Devin. But nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is, or to tell me how Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith (CAR), Randy Moss, Chad Ocho Cinco, Plaxico Burress, Miles Austin, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne, Michael Crabtree, Sidney Rice, Vincent Jackson, Derrick Bowe, and Calvin Johnson all fit into the mold while ranging all across the spectrum as receiving types.

Again, not in attack mode, here. I’m on a mission, and I am determined to find the answer. I intend on writing a piece about this very subject later in the season that will make use of all the answers I’ve been given across the various threads I’ve asked this question…..unfortunately, nobody has answered yet. And I’ve asked a lot.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Attempt number 1 at WR1 I guess...

To me a number one receiver doesn’t have a single identifiable quality or measure, but all the guys you mentioned have two things in common: They are the favored target, the comfort guy, the go-to guy by their particular quarterback and they make plays, and the second ties in entirely to the first.

Devin Hester makes plays. I mean, we’d all be blind to ignore that catch in the end zone. But does that make him the go-to guy?

Was he the guy we turned to on the lone 3rd down conversion on the day? No, that goes to Knox’s loooong conversion (which Hester helped draw help away from). Three times we threw to Bennett short on third, only to watch him turn, flail for the first down marker, and go down. Forte has four of the team’s five receiving touchdowns on the season. And Olsen’s looked sharp as a receiver this year.

Before this year, Hester’s had 51 and 57 receptions in the last two years (and I know Hester’s year was shortened last year). He makes plays, certainly. But I don’t believe he has the “go-to guy” part down just yet, and I think that could come in further development this year.

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 21, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I know the first part sounds mildly contradicting...

But by “quality or measure” I mean height or the like. You can’t just look at a guy who’s 6’ 3" or something and say “He’s a WR1.”

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 21, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only definition offered so far, and not a bad one.

But then, how can people predict if someone will be the go-to if your definition holds true? The season hasn’t happened yet. Argument number two is Roy Williams, who Dallas looked to repeatedly in third down situations instead of Austin, or Welker instead of Moss. In the league, third downs often are directed at the slot, who is usually getting covered by someone other than the #1 CB. Last season, Hester had a higher recs/game than anyone else on the team. Last season Hester led the WR corps in…………….

% of targets caught,
1st downs,
recs over 20 yards,
recs/G,
y/G,
yards,
yards/R,
YAC,
20+ yard recs,
least drops (excluding rasheed davis, who had all off 8 targets and “only” dropped 1),
least drops per target,
targets
and recs even though he missed 3 games completely and most of a 4th.

I’d say it might be time for some to start looking at Hester as a viable #1, if your definition is the guide.

He was most targeted, most sure-handed (given that he caught the highest percentage of targets), and did the most with the ball afterwards (YAC, 1st downs and most 20+ yard recs). I think he’s being overlooked by his own fans, to be honest. I ain’t saying he’s Moss, but I think he was a #1 last year who would likely have hit the 1000 yard mark without the injury, and in a horrid offense.

Either way, we can’t predict who will emerge as the #1 this season on two games, but given last year, I’m putting my money on Hester to break the 1000 yard mark for Chicago for the 1st time since Booker.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't written off Hester as developing into or being the #1

And as far as predicting a #1… The only way one does that is by measuring past performance. Most of the receivers you listed are seasoned NFL veterans or have flourished from brilliance. Hester’s track record is one of special teams dominance and supposed “square peg-round hole keep him at returner pls!” in spite of the numbers you posted (which, I might add, in a Turner offense).

I’ll admit a lot of the #1 discussion is about perception, and I can think of several times where we as a fanbase in general focused on Knox… and Bennett… and Aromashodu, especially given Jay’s pining… Hester rarely came up (quietest team-leading season in history?). I wouldn’t say we have an “embarassment of riches” at WR so to speak, but I think a lot of the dealie here is that the WR squad is kinda close to each other in terms of ability and production.

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 21, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Minor quibbles but...

Hester’s stats compared to the rest of the team (not just the WR corps, but including TEs and RBs too):

Hester’s 57 receptions are 17% of the 2009 team’s total receptions. Olsen, 60 Recs, Bennett 54 Recs, Forte 57. (Rec lead of 3 over the WR corps, but T-2 on the team in total) Again, I understand he missed time, but I’m not up for extrapolation at the moment.

TD Ranks: Olsen, 8 TDs, 1st. Knox, 5. Aroma, 4. Kellen Davis 3. Hester? 3.

Yards per reception is actually a T-1… with Bennett.

The point of this little exercise is not to say that Hester’s not a #1 WR. Rather, it’s to illustrate the depth of production that the team has across not only the WR corps, but also the RBs and TEs. And since Olsen’s being split out plenty at WR this year, could he be the WR1? ;-)

But in seriousness, the production depth indicates a few things. Designating a WR1 indicates there’s a sort of pecking order. Is there a clear-cut pecking order in terms of production? It’s almost too close to call. Hester, Bennett, Knox, and Aromashodu all had over 11 ypc. And I know that we can extrapolate Hester’s numbers for the last three games that he missed and get him over 1000, but Bennett missed one, Knox missed one, and how about our Extrapolation Sensation Devin Aromashodu?

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 21, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

quibble notes......

first, If you look above, I noted hester led the wr corps not the team. I noted that he didn’t lead the team in TDs and tied for first is still leading. So, I’m not sure what you are quibbling with. you repeated what I said.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm quibbling by noting that on last year's or this year's team...
  1. WR designation doesn’t mean a whole lot, and #1 target designation means even less (even though that part’s not what we’re discussing).

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 21, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That we can agree on......

But then, if that’s the case, why are so many knocking Hester for not being a true number one (which they cannot even define)?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had to guess,

probably the whole “Greatest Returner of All Time” thing and wanting him back there instead of putting him at receiver, where he is quietly beginning to blossom as a true receiver, and could breakout into a bona fide go-to WR a la a CAR Steve Smith: doesn’t exactly have the size (Smith 5’ 9", Hester 5’ 10", both 185), but blink and oh look, he’s behind you with the ball in the paint. Just another thing to pin on the coaches if it failed, and after taking him off returns full time, it’s an easy thing to bank on Hester failing, right? Right?

We shouldn’t expect Andre Johnson 2009 numbers (And GOD those are some gaudy numbers), but I can see Hester putting up possibly Steve Smith 2006 numbers if he refines himself a bit more: 83 receptions, 1166 yards (14.0 ypr). Even 2008 numbers could work (Smith, 14 games, 78 receptions, but 18.2 ypr, which would be pretty hard to duplicate) or 2009 (15 games, 65 receptions).

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 21, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll have to agree to disagree about the specific play, which is cool but

I totally agree with you on the definition of a #1. I think it’s who ESPN says it is. I actually like the fact that the Bears have a number of WR’s who can contribute in different ways and one week the focus might be one over the others and someone else the next week. That keeps defenses honest, in my opinion, and I think it showed up in Dallas.

by BearFan611 on Sep 21, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep.....

sorry, but I haven’t been to bed yet, so this time of day I get a bit forgetful, lol…..

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cause he didn't strech for that TD

Not to nitpick

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 20, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, re: the Cowboys

0/2 for onside kickoffs. Means a lot.

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by Kev H on Sep 20, 2010 8:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Love the reason

phillips gave on that kickoff to Jennings at the 40….They were trying to kick the ball to Izzy and make him muff the kick….They are ripping him on that…..

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

- Jay Cutler on getting ready for Sunday's with the current offensive line

by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

What, he's not hank baskett.

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by Kev H on Sep 20, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

And done the Izzy shuffle all the way there! (it's like the Ickey Shuffle, only good.......)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 20, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very impressed with Martz... bigtime.

He made adjustments on the move, than no other coordinator we have ever seen would have done. And to think… the arrogant Bears didn’t even really want him for the job. Unreal. They didn’t even want to interview him… but they ran out of options!

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by SackMan on Sep 20, 2010 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed!

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by Maelvampyre on Sep 20, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well to be fair

Martz could not find a OC job any where and no one wanted to touch him but Lovie….

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

- Jay Cutler on getting ready for Sunday's with the current offensive line

by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha.

That sounds dirty.

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by Kev H on Sep 20, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cuttler's got a 121.2 QB rating. Unreal!

I hope we can keep him alive this year.

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by SackMan on Sep 20, 2010 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Peppers was alomost invisible yesterday though

In a game where Demarcus Ware was all over the place.

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by SackMan on Sep 20, 2010 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

i disagree...

he (and other D-linemen) were in the backfield quite a bit it seemed, Romo just got rid of the ball and often resulted in poor passes. That was just my thought during the game though, I haven’t gone back and looked yet so maybe you’re right.

by Ando on Sep 20, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Though stats wise he didn’t do much, Peppers did his job yesterday. Kept his gap assignments, pressured Romo (who had an itchy trigger finger because of Peppers and the rest of the D-line). And swatted a Romo pass like he was Dikembe Mutombo.

Dallas was all too aware of his presence on the field.

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

romo didn't hold on the ball too long.

which was surprising, but he knew the pressure would be there, and he threw the ball, often off balance, often out of sync with his receivers, and… often into the hand of dj moore. because there was a big 0 on the sack line really didn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, because the pressure, the hits, the incompletions, and the way the secondary looked, outside of tillman’s cleats… was good.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Sep 20, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was invisible

Cause i always saw him in the backfield, it’s just Romo was not holding on to the ball at all. Same thing happened to Ware after Cutler started getting rid of the ball early. He forced Romo into some quick throws that he threw behind the receiver on a few plays. People are gameplanning for Peppers, and with quick releases it’s up to the DBs to stick close to the receiver and throw their timing off.

by Chitownproduct on Sep 20, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

welcome to the world of tampa 2

now if only we could tighten those seams and deep corners down.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Sep 20, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

true, but still very encouraging to see our corners play some really tight coverage

Even though Peanut slipped on every play it seemed, at least he got up and made the tackles and had a nice hit and strip so i’ll take it.

by Chitownproduct on Sep 20, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

You also forget

The Cowboys do have a very respectable OL.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 20, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cowboys line is in much of a shamble as our line is.

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by SackMan on Sep 20, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now this^ I do agree with.

Romo had zero confidents in the pocket.

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

confidence

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by David Taylor on Sep 20, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

the Bears defence will do that to yas……

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

- Jay Cutler on getting ready for Sunday's with the current offensive line

by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I figured you did...

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by David Taylor on Sep 20, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can’t begrudge the man a few deliberate misspellings for the chance to campaign for a HOFer who should already be in Canton.

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

He definitely should of.

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by David Taylor on Sep 20, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

>>twitch<<

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know one of these days

you’re going to slip up, right? We’ll get you, Gadget…

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 20, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I typo with the best of ’em!

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Incorrect.

They got all of their starters back for our game. While two were coming off injuries, that does not a shambles make.

I am forced to dwell here in the land of Landry, and therefore am obligated to follow the boys. Yes, obligated. Can’t have a serious discussion on football without knowing what the local team is doing.

Agree they are not 100%, but they are a much more skilled group than our Bears. Further they have had more time together, more size, and usually protect Romo very well.

They did however have to face our defensive onslaught, which was quite impressive.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 20, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anybody see the Lions yesterday?

I was wondering how good, a victory was against the Lions (perennial losers).

They lost, but looked decent. They can put some points on the board.

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I did!

Mike Vick is a incredible football player.

Mark my words…

… He’ll be in Minnesota next year.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uhm No...

I cannot allow that to happen, cause i like Vick too.

by Chitownproduct on Sep 20, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Prepare for it, my friend.

That team is a playoff contender and would be wasted if the Vikings add a rookie QB to the mix in 2011.

Unless, Tarvaris Jackson comes out of nowhere with an impressive season and 2011 offseason— I see the Vick talks being realistic in 2011.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even if childress is

fired at the end of the season?……

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

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by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wilf has already shown he’s prepared to throw everything he can for the “win now” … if they can manage any cap space issues, I can actually see this happening.

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

This ^

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd have to believe that Wilf would fire a coach with talent that can win "now".

Most GMs wouldn’t do that unless they were going a different direction. I see Vick coming to a HIGHLY talented Vikings offense that can win in 2011.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's if the Vikings

are still in Minn. and not in LA by whenever football starts again next season.

by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Sep 20, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good

We’ve always had his #!

But seriously, I hope its T-Jack. ;)

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that too

I think the lions will probably win 5 games this year, they don’t seem anything like the bottom dweller browns and rams and so on this year.

by Chitownproduct on Sep 20, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

Not bottom dwellers at all.

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Being a Browns fan

would really suck these days. Such a glorious past and only to be crap for over a decade.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

observations response to Dane

You are right about Manumaleuna. More is definitely needed from this guy.

Tommie Harris was criticized by some because when he was in open space he occasionally seemed busy without doing anything. The blind dog syndrome.

Without Urlacher in there holding things together and providing leadership, we don’t win this game.

Martz and Tice adapted well to changing circumstances during the course of the game. Props to them!

Peppers played a hell of a game, he was real close to Romo all game and was gassed. Romo is real tough to get to.

Go Bears!!

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by Maelvampyre on Sep 20, 2010 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Peppers had a good game despite not sacking Romo.

Romo is one of the tougher QBs to sack. Very mobile, and has a quick release. That, plus an offensive line that is adept in holding.

by BigGeorgeTX on Sep 20, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tommie did actually come out and say he played like a blind dog after the game, and one report I read after Sapp’s original comment had Harris agreeing with him. I’d like to think this public criticism has awakened his self-awareness concerning the need to play with more situational and positional awareness.

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn I hope so...

He really does have all the physical tools to be an elite DT. He’s just so damn frustrating to watch.

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by LostInSTL on Sep 20, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me say

that I’m very impressed with the Bears but I’m equally as concerned in some areas. I’m impressed with Cutler and the offensive skill position players. They are balling. But the offensive line is terrible and when the weathe starts to get bad and the Bears have to run the ball more, they are in trouble.

The front 7 is great. The secondary is bad. Romo torched them, especially Tillman and Bowman who Miles Austin abused. It seems the secondary still has the bend don’t break mentality and that’s going to backfire against teams that don’t shoot themselves in the foot in the redzone. The D can be really good, but still too many 3rd and long conversions.

All in all, I’m very excited about this season and hope that they spend their first 3 picks on the best offensive lineman available.

by McRipper on Sep 20, 2010 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

3rd Downs

Still a problem.

1-11 on the night.

That ship needs right itself or we have as little a chance of making the playoffs as we assumed we did before the season started.

by celerysalt on Sep 20, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

This ^

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1...

DJ Moore is a surprise, but I get the suspicion that A Rodgers (and other good QBs) will use his lack of height to rack up yardage on the Bears D. This Packers team is built on the things that the Bears do badly. I do not have high hopes for next Monday. The Bears need a playmaker in the secondary and a serious upgrade at tackle (preferably LT). Otherwise, the team seems settled in solidly. In fact, wasn’t that what we’ve all been saying all off season; the Bears need a playmaking safety and a more talent on the o-line?!?

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by LostInSTL on Sep 20, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

- Jay Cutler was sacked on the second play of the game. The Bears then caled a timeout. Why?

He got up a bit woozy.

The announcer said the said the same thing, then saw him look a bit shakey and said I think Jay may have been a bit shaken up by that sack.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Jay was hurting. You could see it in his face. I thought he was going to get killed in that first quarter.

by McRipper on Sep 20, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

I was beginning to wonder then if Jerry paid off the officiating crew.

by Virto on Sep 20, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

And evidently...

there was a facemask by Williams on the same play, that also did not get called. Sucks, but it happens both ways.

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by David Taylor on Sep 20, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

Horrible! Heard it was on the jumbotron and they immediately cut it off before the ref could look at it for himself.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tommie Harris was drawing double teams early, and seemed to be freeing up space for Anthony Adams and Matt Toeina. Not sure why the criticism towards Tommie in the game threads last night. If he is getting doubled all game, then he is being effective by default.

I agree.

But, I think the what he was doing was maintaining the pocket so that the DEs could roll around to the QB and that the Cowboys running game would be stifled. Looking at the stats, the Cowboys could not get their running game going which I said would be “key” in the Bears holding the offense to a maintainable number.

Harris played the gaps well and did EXACTLY what Sapp said his problem has been— pocket control. He held it up so that the other DLs could get to the QB.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Disagree...

T Harris was being pushed around like a rag doll. I rewatched the game this afternoon (thank you DVR) and he was just weak. He was NOT doubled any more than any other D-linemen. He made 2 plays of note during the entire game. Otherwise, he did not hold his ground in the run game. He go no penetration (other then the 2 mentioned plays). He did not cover his gap well and was often pushed out of the play by a single o-lineman. He just seems to be too weak to play the position. He did not once push an o-linemen backward, not once. He did not hold or push the pocket for anyone else, that’s just wishful thinking. He’s not the elite DT he once was, and I’m not sure why. The best guess I can make is that his repaired leg is just not strong enough to get a push. He is so frustratingly average for a guy that seems to have every reason/capability to succeed.

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by LostInSTL on Sep 20, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. I was a little non-plussed at the mention of double teams.

Tommie just isn’t an impact player anymore. God bless the guy: he made a crap load of money, probowls, but injuries have robbed him of his explosiveness, and until we find someone at the position (hello draft) we’re not going to have a dominant defense.

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by MPG on Sep 20, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only 2 complaints after a great victory

One, our special teams really seem to be slipping a bit. Poor punting, coverage etc.. 2nd i am really concerned about harris coverage ability and some of the poor angles he is taking on underneath routes. Yes he had a nice hit on Rwilliams but wouldn’t it have been nicer to make a play on the ball instead of laying him out with a completion??

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by tfrabotta on Sep 20, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Poor punting?

Maynard has looked great and already has 6 punts inside the 20 this year.

by lopey986 on Sep 20, 2010 9:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That TD for Dez Bryant was a line drive and he booted one way into the endzone

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by tfrabotta on Sep 20, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am a big Maynard fan but he doesn't seem to be on par

with last year.

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by tfrabotta on Sep 20, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maynard hasn't been a good "long distance" punter for a few years.

He’s excellent when the Bears are from their own 40 and closer because he can put it where he wants it most of the time. If the offense is stuck deep in their own end, he rarely can change the field position for them and when he’s tried to over the last 3 years or so, you get the line drive kicks like we say yesterday.

by BearFan611 on Sep 20, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Other than the touchdown, I thought coverage was good

Don’t get me wrong. Giving up a TD on ST isn’t ever good, but I thought coverage team played well past that.

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

kick off coverage was better but punt coverage is a little ehh

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by tfrabotta on Sep 20, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of lowering the boom, how in the hell did Roy WIlliams hold on to the ball when Chris Harris drove over him?

Hit of the game!

Also, that hit by Charles Tillman on Miles Austin was nasty. Austin looked timid going over the middle the rest of the game.

The Bears D was laying wood that entire game. It was inspiring to see as a fan!

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

yep

Miles Austin was a non-factor after Tillman jacked his ass.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Non-Factor?

10 rec for 140 yds is a non-factor? He consistently made plays to get the Cowboys in scoring position.

by McRipper on Sep 20, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I shouldn't say

non-factor, but the guy definetely alligator-armed two or three times after that hit.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Laying the wood

caused Austin to drop a sure catch and first down over the middle in the 4Q. Awesome stuff by our secondary!

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by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Forte + pass blocking = ___?___

… 1988 Roger Craig?

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

As I recall, Roger Craig was “pretty good” in the rushing game, though.

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had a better offensive line , too! ;-)

Forte plays like him and I think with better OL, he can put up big numbers from the ground like Craig did.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, true. That 49ers team was amazing, even if they were a rival.

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just threw up in my mouth a little......

First, Forte does not play like Craig. Craig could make people miss and didn’t fall every time someone looked to hard at his shoestrings. Can we please refrain from favorably comparing a guy with 2.9 yards per carry to HOFers? Seriously, blame it one the line, but this line looks no worse than the one Barry Sanders ran behind. Or the onle that Walter ran behind in the 70’s. In other words, Forte is to blame, not entirely, but still responsible, for his horrific rushing. Now that I got that off my chest……

Roger Craig rushed for over 1500 yards and 4.8 yards a carry in ‘88 with 9 TDs. Funny enough, ’88 was also one of Craig’s busiest, but least productive receiving years, nabbing 76 recs for “only” 536 yards and 1 TD and just 7.0 y/r.

That seems kinda opposite of Forte, who is rushing for what, less than 3.0 YPC, but has amassed an ungodly 15.7 y/r. If Forte continues on like this, he’ll end up with numbers like this….

216 carries for 632 yards, 0 TDS and 2.9 Y/C
96 recs for 1504 yards, 24 TDS and 15.7 Y/R

while I think that’s awesome, it doesn’t look much like Craig’s….
310 carries for 1502 yards, 9 TDs and 4.8 Y/C
76 recs for 534 yards, 1 TD and 7.0 Y/R

it looks quite the opposite, actually.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 20, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not yet....

But much like dent, he deserves to be, and he was a finalist this season. He was the first player to ever cross 1000 yards rushing and 1000 yards receiving in the same season, and was instumental to the 49ers dynasty. People remember Joe Cool and Jerry Rice, but Craig kept ’em honest. He deserves, and will enter, the hall-of-fame. Comparing Forte to him is comparing him to a HOFer.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's your opinion

… But, Craig may never hit the HOF for his 6 year career. Just like Neal Anderson for his 7 years. Both had a few good seasons, but neither were groundbreaking at their position.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 21, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's partly your opinion.....and partly inaccurate.

First, apparently it’s also the opinion of a lot of the HOF selection committee, since he again made the HOF finals. Secondly, I’d say being the first RB to cross 1000 yards rushing and receiving is kinda groundbreaking. Third, and the part where opinion has nothing to do with it………Craig played 11 seasons in the NFL, not 6. (and anderson played for 8 years, not 7)

Neal was a decent back, but not HOF material, and isn’t being considered. Craig is a finalist for a reason. 13000 all purpose yards, and being instrumental in 2 super bowl runs would be 2 of them. Oh, and again, being the first player to ever rush and receive for 1000 yards each.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow?

First, let’s point out that Roger Craig is not a HOF’er. He was a very good back that made a good career on a talent-loaded team with an offensive system that was ahead of it’s time. How do I know that?

Because several backs came in immediately after him and filled in nicely (i.e.— Ricky Waters).

That’s NOT a slight on Craig and his accomplishments, but there when you thought about those great 49’ers teams— you didn’t immediately thin Roger Craig. Nor, was he the “cog” that made that offensive unit go like a LT, Walter Payton, or Emmit Smith.

Secondly, with a HORRIBLE offensive line in 2008, inconsistent QB play, and a offensive coordinator who gameplanned horribly— Forte flourished! There is no disputing that. Stats show that the offensive lineman the Bears trotted out there each Sunday were no more than bodies that took up space on most accounts. TO diminish his efforts because of stats is downplaying his importance (who else was making plays in that offense?).

Finally, with two years of experience there is no way I can say that Forte is equal to Roger Craig’s career. However, if you look at what I wrote in the original comment— it’s not too extreme to speculate that Forte with pass blocking skill could be as impactful as RC in 1988. How is that off-based given how well he has played for the Bears thus far in 2010?

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 21, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can absolutely dispute the difference between.....

quality and quantity. Forte might be the first back in history to run for 3.8 yards per carry (the worst on his team) and be called a “flourishing” back. Claiming that he flourished indisputably is, well……. disputable. And while yes, he ran behind the 20th ranked rushing line, all 12 of the RBs that ran on lines ranked lower ranked higher as rushers (where Forte has ranked dead last both of his seasons, but was, of course, flourishing)

He rank last in the league both his rookie season and his sophomore season (amongst starter, and last his rookie season and second to last his sophomore season amongst all backs) in yards after contact per carry and yards per carry (among starters). This is what we call flourishing? The yards after contact per carry are all Forte. Y/C is an indictment of both Matt and the line (and Ron “The Douche” Turner).

I have never given all of the blame to Forte, nor have I called Forte a poor player. Just a poor rusher. He’s a great blocker (ranked 5th among RBs his rookie year, far worse his sophomore season, but he was injured) and a great receiver out of the backfield. His vision (highly touted here at WCG) is lacking. His strength, as well. He cannot move a pile, he cannot break tackles with any sort of regularity you would expect from a NFL power back, and he cannot juke/spin/hurdle/elude with the sort of frequency you would expect from a NFL elusive back. Those things are on Forte.

Now, I explained the RC in the Hall above, but I’ll address your final comment here. RC, in 88 rushed for 4.8 yards a carry, and 9 TDs. If Forte continues the way he’s started, as a rusher, he will rush for less than 700 yards and 0 TDs. And not for lack of red zone carries. I’m all for optimism, but Forte is rushing for less than 3 yards a carry. Yes, the O-line sucks. But so does Forte, as a rusher. Again, his rookie season he has 3.8 yards a carry, and 3.6 his sophomore effort. Quantity does not equal quality. 12 starting RBs had worse lines and better YPC and yards after contact per carry. 8 teams his sophomore season had worse run blocking lines (Bears ranked 24th) and starting RBs with better Y/C and yards after contact per carry.

Forte is not a quality rusher. Craig was. Will Forte have impact? As a receiver, yes. As a RB, maybe a negative impact, as seen so far. This is why I pined for Forte to gain 20 lbs and be moved to FB. He’d be pro-bowl quality, there. His receiving ability is second to none for RBs and, IMO equal to most WRs. His blocking ability is the best we’ve seen out of the backfield in quite a while. His rushing is the worst by a starting RB in this league, year after year, for three seasons now.

One last point. If Craig wasn’t a memorable “cog” in the ’88 and ’89 super bowl runs, why did you mention him as the example for Forte? I think you contradict yourself, there.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would also like to note....

That if you are not a bears fan, you probably don’t remember anyone on the 85 team but Payton……and Perry. Does that mean that Singletary, Hampton and Dent weren’t “cogs” because people other than Chicago fans don’t remember them first? Memory is not a great determiner of importance. Especially when you are talking about a team that was led by Joe Montana and Jerry Rice. Everyone else is forgettable. Consider this…

‘88 SF was ranked 2nd in yardage and 7th in points offensively. We all remember this team for it’s offense, which was definitely good. But the defense was also good, ranking 3rd in yardage and 8th in points. Does anyone remember that? I’m willing to bet that most people cannot name one player from that defense without looking it up (and if I said couldn’t name more than one….Ronnie Lott,,,,then you probably negate just about all of the rest who don’t root for SF. Of course you’ll have your exceptions. But even then, you probably won’t get many who can beyond the three I can remember….Lott, Wright and Haley, off the top of my head). The next year was more of the same, with the offense ranking 1 and 1 and the defense ranking 3 and 4. But the offense is what the majority of fans will remember, and the defense will go forgotten. Truth is, for all the credit Montana gets, those two teams were some of the most well rounded teams in history. They passed well, ran well and defended both well.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I will give you that Forte’s rushing stats are unimpressive…

And while yes, he ran behind the 20th ranked rushing line, all 12 of the RBs that ran on lines ranked lower ranked higher as rushers (where Forte has ranked dead last both of his seasons, but was, of course, flourishing)

… His receptions, total yards, and total TDs in 2008 aren’t too shabby.

Again, I think if you go back to the original reply of “Forte + blocking = 1988 Roger Craig” and look at it for just being the type of season he could potentially have in 2010— you will see that there is no need to man the battle stations in defense of Craig.

The Bears were a mess in 2009 (offensively), so to base your judgment off of that season is pretty tough. Matt had 258 attempts on a team that consistently played from behind.

2008, he set franchise records and was amongst talks for ROY— that’s including his deficiencies as a rusher.

Roger Craig’s first two years were not even close to being as productive as Forte’s. Take a look!

1983… 16 games played….176 attempts and 725 yds… 12 Total TDs… 48 receptions for 427 yds.

1984 … 16 games played… 155 attempts… 649 yards… YPC of 4.2… 10 Total TDs… 71 receptions for 675.

Again, I think if we are comparing apples-to-apples, look at Forte’s first two season to Craig’s and make your assessment. NOTE: the 49ers were a MUCH better all-around team.

Again, to suggest that Craig was such a premeire back is really an overstatement. Especially, considering that you are weighing heavily upon his rushing prowess— which only netted two 1000 yd seasons in his career.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 23, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Devin Aromashodu?

As I said on the post game thread, I thought he was recovering from a rough game one against the Lions. Cutler led him in to some pretty big hits that game and that had to be a bit much for a guy who really isn’t built like a T.O. or a Andre Johnson.

I think he made a few drops because he was taking some whacks throughout the game. I think he’ll be back in week 3.

Bennett did well in his place though.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

I’d like to see them use both because each of them brings something to the table. I really like Bennett as one of those guys you can go to whenever you need a few yards to move the chains. He might never get the big headlines but he’s a good, solid contributor especially in an offense like this.

by BearFan611 on Sep 20, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 20, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

DA was held out because the Bears were unhappy with his play in the first games, including 3 drops and missed blocks....

as per Larry Mayer…..

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 20, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but...

… Lovie also said that Devin was banged up from the Lions contest, which we all saw him get led into some pretty big hits trying to make catches from Cutler.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 21, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't see that......

do you have a link? (not being sarcastic, I just honestly haven’t seen it and would like too. I get being pissed about drops, but to be fair, he was also the leading receiver, and, while I understand that DA also led the team in drops per target last season, you think he’d have a little longer leash than 1 game)

I have seen the link I noted above, as well as the one posted by cloudy future in todays Bears Den (I think) where DA confirms that the Bears were unhappy with how he graded out inthe Lions game.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD said yesterday...

… That the reason that Aromashodu was on the bench in week 2 was because he WAS getting hit pretty badly, but…

… He went to the sidelines and started complaining to coaching staff about it saying that the passes were getting getting him wrecked.

It got back to Jay…

… And the rest is history.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 22, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta Disagree on two points

The line actually looked better without Williams. Tommie Harris wasn’t getting double teamed as much as he should’ve been, and was consistently getting pushed back even when not double teamed.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Williams looked horrible

He would consistently cut down on the tackle and let ware go around untouched. Cutler was getting absolutely destroyed early and once Williams left he got much better protection (part of that was due to adjusting his dropback to a quicker one, but the line looked better).

by lopey986 on Sep 20, 2010 9:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

All I can think about is listening to some fantasy football show on Sirius friday night.

I don’t play but I prefer NFL radio over ESPN anytime. The guys were rambling on about how poor of a QB Cutler is and how he didnt have anyone to throw to. The greatest part was his statline prediction. He strongly suggested Cutler would throw for 156 yards no td’s and 3 picks. He also said the Bears would be blown out of the building.
  
Now I’ve never called into a radio show but I think I am going to call and ask this guy why he still has a job why it has anything to do with talking about football.

Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...

by Syndor on Sep 20, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

on NFL Network

Jason La Confora actually had “Biggest Win Margin” prediction and of course picked the Cowboys, why even make a stupid prediction like that about NFL games?

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Especially during a week

When green bay, everyones super bowl pick, is playing buffalo.

by lopey986 on Sep 20, 2010 9:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

exactly...

but it seems likes the NFL is too goofy of a league to make that prediction at all, regardless of teams.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

GB looked good againt buffalo, but poor againts the Vick lead Eagles.
Then the Eagles looked pretty bad against the Lions.
I’ve told other people this, but i have watched other games and well, The Bears are one of the more solid teams i have seen.
We are going to win a lot of games this season.

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by suckmyditka on Sep 20, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

The offense was solid yesterday.

But I wouldn’t go that far yet. We got 2 lucky deflection picks and I thought the Williams fumble could have been called down since he was pushed about 3 yards back before losing the ball.

I’m definitely encouraged by what I’ve seen and if we beat green bay Monday night it will go a long way towards clearing up some of the doubts about this team.

by lopey986 on Sep 20, 2010 9:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lucky deflection picks?

It’s not luck when the defensive front is forcing the qb to throw early (and in one of those picks, behind the receiver).

There is no "Off Position" for the Genius Switch - David Letterman

by The_Phoenix on Sep 20, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

when a receiver cacthes it, and a DB rocks his world popping the ball out

and then another close DB sees it and reacts to it then i don’t call that luck.

I call that a JACK MOVE SON!

by Chitownproduct on Sep 20, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its because he looked at the Vegas odds and thought he'd sound brilliant

Turns out he still just a fantasy nerd.

Disclaimer: I play fantasy football, but am not a fantasy nerd.

The difference is recognizing a good football player that doesn’t always put up the stats; see M. Sanchez

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vikings? 0-2?

Man… if the Vikings don’t resemble the 2007 Chicago Bears I do not know what!

The QB’s inconsistency, the lack of receivers, and the secondary is eerily familiar to this Bears fan.

I think Ziggy is in a bad position as to what to do to re-mediate the situation. If you go get V. Jackson who will want a big contract, you set a bad precedence to Sidney Rice who is in the final year of his first contract. IF you don’t, you are now saddling your HUGE offseason investment (Favre) with a bunch of inexperienced receivers that he has YET to find chemistry with.

I mentioned early in the offseason that I didn’t think the VIkings were going to be the “toast of the North” and so far it looks to be holding true.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

were you the one

who wrote that article about that subject? Because I was thinking the same exact thing last night.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

It’s funny, right? (not my writing)

These guys are “literally” going down the same road as the Bears did after 2006.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

You’ve been waiting to drop that, haven’t you?

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Timing, my friend... Timing.

;-)

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a great prediction when I read the article the first time......

and though the season isn’t done yet, I think you can start taking your bows now. regardless of the rest of the season, your point has been proven. Whether the Vikings can adjust has little to do with whether the sames problems exist. Your prediction was sound. Nice job, sir.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 21, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were flipping over during bears commercials

Cause i had money on the dolphins and my g/f kept remarking about that “really old guy” playing qb for the Vikings. Favre looks horrible this year, last year he was loose and having fun and this year he just looks so damn old, all those years finally caught up to him.

by lopey986 on Sep 20, 2010 9:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Along with no offseason workout.

Throwing to HS’ers is a LOT different than throwing to NFL athletes.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt he decided to play again all of a sudden

The reason I think he did the whole waiting thing (or whatever you wanna call it) was to skip as much of training camp as possible, because he knew there wouldn’t be much in the tank anyways. I’d be surprised if he’s still playing in December at this rate.

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

by GriggsBriggs on Sep 20, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

saddling your HUGE offseason investment (Favre) with a bunch of inexperienced receivers that he has YET to find chemistry with.

My heart bleeds for the old man. Why should a legend have to bother with training camp?

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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the same reasons he's finding out in his first two games.

You need to build chemistry and consistency in the offseason and talent can only take you so far.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It also doesn't help your #1 receiver and the highest paid receiver on the team

Can’t get separation on a simple 7 yard out route. I was kind of ticked off about B-Twice leaving at first, now…lately..last two years actually..not so much.

by Chitownproduct on Sep 20, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Someone needs to mention this on Dailynorseman.

I wonder if Favre would be back if he fully knew that Sidney Rice was going to be out for about 8 weeks…and if the organization held that information back before Favre made his decision.

by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Sep 20, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

1-11 in 3rd down conversions

They really didn’t impress me in that category. That could be because of the lack of a rushing attack or the fact that they passed early on in series and had 2nd and long to deal with on most downs.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Summary

3/12 5yd pass
3/6 incomplete, f-start 3/11 sack
3/8 shotgun incomplete
3/15 complete 59yd knox pass
3/3 2yd pass, make it on 4rth down
3/10 incomplete endzone pass
3/6 5yd complete
3/11 8yd complete
3/1 forte up middle no gain
3/9 taylor off-tackle 1yd
3/12 cutler kneels

Basically, it boils down to the offensive line forcing play calling that puts us in 3rd/long often and pass the ball exclusively.

by celerysalt on Sep 20, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Updates from Brad Biggs at the Trib:
Safety Major Wright had only a slight hitch in his walk after the game, the result of a hamstring pull he suffered trying to chase down Dez Bryant at the end of the rookie’s 62-yard punt return for a touchdown.

The third-round pick from Florida is suddenly snake-bitten. This is the third injury he has suffered since a week into training camp when a groin muscle pull cost him a week or so.

Speaking of needing to get right, the Bears will re-evaluate left tackle Chris Williams after his pulled right hamstring sent him to the locker room after three plays. The play of Frank Omiyale in his absence was encouraging, but there will be a push to get Williams going again soon.

You have to wonder if it will be easier for a lineman to return from a hamstring pull than say a wide receiver or a defensive back, a player who relies on running much more.

Here’s the link back to Biggs’ article. Please click the link for all of his thoughts.

by Dane Noble on Sep 20, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone said that they feared he'd come up hobbling from playing on SP/Ts.

When I saw him come up limping I thought of the website.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

A hamstring pull that occurred when Alan Ball #20 “fell” into him from behind.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by Pete Dixon on Sep 20, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD of ESPN just reported that he thinks the injury is a LOT worse than first anticipated.

I wrote a fan post on it.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Devin Hester's catch?

Unbelievable, right?

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

He is ridiculous, you know.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by Pete Dixon on Sep 20, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here was the funniest thing I read on the Cowboy blog

" Wade Phillips is fat! He has no personal discipline so how could we ever hope that he could coach a disciplined team"

Freaking hilarious..

"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"

- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-

by tfrabotta on Sep 20, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

How about Urlacher yelling like crazy at Lovie to not accept the penalty.

And Lovie takes the penalty anyway.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Sep 20, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I made a note about that too, but forgot to mention it in this post.

1st and 20, or 2nd and 15? I thought it was a no-brainer to not accept that penalty. I mean, what’s more important… moving Dalls back 5 more yards, or not giving Tony Romo and extra chance to make a play? I reckon it was moving Dallas back a few more yards.

by Dane Noble on Sep 20, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

3 yard loss.....

7 more yards…..still bad call….

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

- Jay Cutler on getting ready for Sunday's with the current offensive line

by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

you could actually read urlachers lips say “you’re f*cking me here”…except thhe didn’t add the little star between the f and c

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Field position

field position

I agreed with the Martz decision (we all know that Smith is merely a human bobble-head)

There is no "Off Position" for the Genius Switch - David Letterman

by The_Phoenix on Sep 20, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well they

are freaking out down here….Kinda of nice to walk around today with all the cowboy fans hiding from me…..Though some will come up be brave and talk about the game and how they beat themselves a little (though they do give the Bears more credit especially Jay Cutler)…..Had a few fans say that the cowboys should get rid of phillips, the kicker, roy williams, and trade romo…..

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

- Jay Cutler on getting ready for Sunday's with the current offensive line

by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Cant blame

bronco fans because I would have felt the same way….

But I am starting to see more Cutler love on the football shows….Even trent dilfer was gushing about Cutler last night though he added “when he is not throwing INTs” to the end of his sentence…..

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

- Jay Cutler on getting ready for Sunday's with the current offensive line

by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cautiously Optomistic

They did look really good – post adjustments. I winced after Cutler spent most of the first series on the turf – thought it would be a long afternoon.

We started out slow, and even though we lost Williams, and Wright, the team picked up the slack. They actually looked like a team out there – very encouraging.

The Cowboys looked somewhat shell-shocked and are having lots of struggles of their own. They are a quality team, and the Bears beat them handily. Take away the Bryant return for a TD and this game wasn’t even close.

The real test comes next week against the meat Packers at home. I’d love to see our guys put in a repeat effort (win or lose) against what some say is the best team in the NFC.

by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 20, 2010 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

A little dissapointed that the Bears didn't get more pub from Peter King

on his Monday morning QB. He says week 2 was the tale of the QB’s and Sizzle is not one of them?? His only mention of the bears was that their OLine may be worst than he thought. That is crap, probably the biggest upset of the day.

"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"

- Entire kool aid drinkin' Pride of Detroit site-

by tfrabotta on Sep 20, 2010 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Trust your third eye and WGC

all the pundants and experts are fools, pandering to other fools.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did move the Bears

up to 7 in his “fine fifteen” list, and dropped Dallas off the bottom.

He admits the Bears did what nobody expected, but really, our horrible o-line play is the talk of the town when it comes to this team. If the line could hold, the Bears could put up even more rediculous yardage numbers.

by Virto on Sep 20, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the line could hold, the Bears could put up even more rediculous yardage numbers.

That’s not a ridiculous thought…..

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pfff, I have no doubt it’s how some people think it goes.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
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by Spongie on Sep 20, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did add us to his "Fine 15" at #7

No real reason why other than we won and several of his other top 15 lost and Jay was still alive after the game. I’d agree he’s gun shy after last season but he and every other pundit jumps on Houston’s jock every year and they haven’t let up on that.

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Is my mind a'goin on me or am I watchin you jibber jabber like some sorta jibberty box. Jibber Jabber on! Jibber Jabber on! -- Early Cuyler

by SaintCee on Sep 20, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peter King on Siriuis Friday.

And no I do not get paid to mention Sirius Radio sounded like he really hates the Bears for making him seem like a moron last year. Ask what chance the Bears had on Sunday he said absolutely none. They shouldn’t even show up to the game it will be a blowout.

I guess that explains why I had no fear of us losing this game. He knows absolutely nothing about what he’s talking about.

Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...

by Syndor on Sep 20, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well then I guess we're 95% Ground Chuck

Was it Troy Aikman that said that the Bears were hamburger and the Cowboys were steak?
How’s that steak tasting this morning, big boy?
How bout you Jerry? How’s yours?

by Dirt Road on Sep 20, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Aikman makes me sick

Did u hear him complain about the Cutler roughing call and how Romo didn’t get the call on a hit that was equally malicous? I couldn’t believe my ears. Romo’s hit wasn’t even close to roughing but Olshansky definitely slammed Cutler and it was a late hit to boot. What a jackass.

by McRipper on Sep 20, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or

the one on the second play of the game where he was whipped around by his facemask with no call?

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

true

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

by GriggsBriggs on Sep 20, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aikman = SuperHomer.

And all Joe Buck does is agree with Aikman’s every word.

by oripunk3485 on Sep 20, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're a little soft, actually.

Tastes like someone soaked them for too long in expectation sauce. Waiter!

by oripunk3485 on Sep 20, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

in '07 Aikman said

“the bears O-line, who has actually been good this year…” it was at that point I knew he didn’t do homework for his upcoming games. While he can be tolerable at times, I can’t stand when CC guys randomly add false information, just to have air filled with talk.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Pass rush

How much of it was max-protection schemes that the Cowboys were calling? I saw Pepp being double-covered quite a bit. Not sure about Harris, but neither of them recorded a tackle. I guess the result is all that matters though….where’s Greg Blache?!

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Manu
- Brandon Manumaleuna is a big boy, and needs to keep developing into a FB. We’ll need him on the goal line.

You must have a man-crush on him, cause he was our worst linemen yesterday. I don’t even think it was close. He did the “olay” like on three straight passing plays where he was required to help on the edge. Not only did he not do this, but also took the tackles out of the play and nearly got Jay killed.

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Ya, he looks terrible

sluggish, heavy footed and sucky.

by rdent4hof on Sep 20, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

The reason we got him is TO BLOCK. When you don’t block when everyone knows you’re there TO BLOCK, you are worthless.

by jimribs on Sep 20, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also looks like he doesn't know the offense or play call.

Add confusion and lack of conditioning to list of negatives for this aging, overrated blocker.

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

When

I rewatched the game I noticed that late in the game they started to use more Dez Clark instead of manu…..

It was very boring. Followed by a short period of terrifying….

- Jay Cutler on getting ready for Sunday's with the current offensive line

by CloudyFuture on Sep 20, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Dez...

played much better. I saw Manu in STL and he wasn’t very good there. He’s mobile for his size, but he’s just not a very good blocker.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!

by LostInSTL on Sep 20, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re-read my comment.

I’m saying we’ll need him in goal line situaitons. We’ve been piss-poor in short yardage situations, and we need a big strong body to be able to move a pile.

He’s not there yet, which is why I commented that he needs to keep developing. All of these adjustments that Martz is able to make is fine for now, but if we are going to try and be a legit contender, we have to be able to have success in those short yardage situations.

by Dane Noble on Sep 20, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

At the same time, though...

He shouldn’t have to develop. We (over)paid for a vet, he should play like a vet.

by Virto on Sep 20, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely

Maybe he meant “develop” as in getting into shape and knowing the play call.

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Develop into a FB.

He’s a TE by default, but we’ll need him as a FB.

by Dane Noble on Sep 20, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He already knows the offense though

He needs to get into shape and understand the call. If you look at some of those missed blocks/assignments, you can tell he didn’t get the memo.

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manu signing reeks of desperation

They needed a blocker and overpaid for one, except what they really needed was a lineman not a fat out of shape tight end who can’t really do anything.

by lopey986 on Sep 20, 2010 11:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe my favorite highlight of the game

Was when Peppers absolutely destroyed Barber on that goal line play. A man possessed..

"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"

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by tfrabotta on Sep 20, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

That play was epic..

Peppers jumped up and was like “NO! There can be only one! Highlander!”

by Pretender85 on Sep 20, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peppers made Barber look like a fool

Unfortunately, there was no one covering the FB/TE

by DaHamsta on Sep 20, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barber did his job though

his job on that play was to slow down Peppers so Romo could complete the play fake.

Was a nice hit, but that play was really well executed by the boys.

Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas

by Allie on Sep 20, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.......

I watched the film last night and Tommie Harris was doubled at least 60% of the snaps.

by Dozjah on Sep 20, 2010 11:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

How about Pepp?

He looked to be doubled quite a bit as well.

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I saw...
  • Bennett is great at making the catch. But he’s also the best I’ve seen at making the catch, scrambling and still failing to make the first down. I understand “Throw short and let him make the play for the first,” but it’s not like Bennett is the danger with the ball that Hester or Knox are.
  • That TD catch showed exactly what Olsen is about. Outran the LBs perfectly. I don’t care how Charmin soft a player is if he’s able to run away from the angry men into the endzone.
  • Roy Williams is not a great NFL receiver. Please cease your celebrating while you’re behind. Thank you.
  • Amazing how the better penetrators (penetrationers? penetraters? What will make you happy, Firefox? Apparantly none of these) on the defensive line were those who aren’t collecting the large paychecks. Peppers, though, had a very good game for not showing up often on the stat sheet. Consistent doubles on him and Harris freed up Izzy/Adams/Big Toe on several plays.
  • Cutler has exactly one INT to go with his five TDs over two games.
  • For what it’s worth, Matt Forte has three times the rushing yards of Jay Cutler (~75 to 25).

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 20, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasn't it Bennett

That made the nice block allowing Olsen to finish his TD run?

by Arbusto on Sep 20, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

But still, those are the kind of plays that Olsen should be making.

by Steven Schweickert on Sep 20, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Overall..

We have excellent offensive weapons in Knox, Hester, Olsen, Forte, and of course Cutler.

Our O-line is still swiss cheese. We need to bring in someone or switch something around, particularly if CW is gone for awhile..I didn’t hear anything on that hammy injury he got yet.

I’m not sure where the D-line went, seeing as the Cowboys O-line got annhilated last week(though that was 60% that other guy they had at left)

Secondary looked good. Not the best by far, but good enough compared to last year.

Linebackers need no praise, they are as good as we had hoped to have last year before the injuries.

by Pretender85 on Sep 20, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Both starting tackles didn't play in the opener

but the D-line should’ve gotten better pressure up front regardless.

"They form a huddle- Whisper like they want trouble- I melt the ice grills into rainwater puddles- Make the proud-hearted leave on the humble- Black steel in the hour- Assemble my skill form my power" - Mos Def

by propheteer on Sep 20, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

sunday's game

Really impressed by the D too. Can’t wait for the GB game next Mon.

by walterfan34 on Sep 20, 2010 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Believe it or not, but I think the synthetic turf caused peanut to slip so many times

After playing on grass for long periods of time it can become hard to adjust to, especially when you have to guard a lethal receiver like Austin.

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

by GriggsBriggs on Sep 20, 2010 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Today's Sun-Times

… He blamed in on old cleats. smh.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 21, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

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