The Bears Den: September 24th, 2010 Edition
by Kev H on Sep 24, 2010 7:38 AM CDT
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Bears hope to keep Matthews off Cutler - Big test for two tackles not playing where they're supposed to.
Lack of versatility limits snaps of Chicago Bears receiver Devin Aromashodu - Hmmm. Interesting explanation for a lack of 'Shodu in certain situations.
Packers QB Rodgers on Bears, Cutler, Peppers - He's full of nothing but respect for us.
Tice still confident in 28th-ranked run - He's a brave man.
View from the Moon: No pass rush for Bears, no 3-0 - Moon explains why a lack of pass rush is the end for the Bears on Monday.
Follow WCG on Twitter. If you don't, Olin Kreutz will punch you in the face.
Martz's adjustments have made believers of Bears - They have to buy in and work hard for it to be a success. So far, it's working.
Packers coach won't discuss interview snub - Doesn't want to tell us why he limited his coach's ability to advance his career.
Cutler tested tough - If he can weather through this line, he can do anything.
Lovie, Martz, and Cutler on offense's early success - Video from the Pressers.
Cutler has transformed into a new man - Looks like an adult QB.
Thursday's highlights: Mike Martz - Highlights from the Martz presser.
Cutler has a fan in Packers' Rodgers - He still really likes him!
ChicagoBears players will vote to decertify union soon - Big step towards the NFL Labor Discussions. (Or lack there of.)
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Apparently the Bears play the Packers on Monday?
NO! You don’t say?! Well… what the hell am I going to watch on Sunday?!
… Oh right. More football.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 24, 2010 8:29 AM CDT reply actions
Dinner?
I have already decided what I’ll be having for dinner on Monday: Packer flesh. Roasted over an open fire. I will devour this tasty meal with my bear claws.
by ClawsClawsClaws on Sep 24, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions
Does anyone else think there's more to this Aromashadu situation than meets the eye?
Doesn’t it seem odd that all of a sudden they discovered he’s not a fit in the slot or that he’s the only WR that can’t play all the spots, especially since he was the main target in week 1? Also, I don’t buy the dropped passes excuse against the Lions, true he dropped a couple, but every receiver has a week like that once in awhile and it’s not like he didn’t make a couple of nice plays in that game. If it was only drops, Rashied would have been on a bus home 2 years ago.
Reading that article, it almost seems like he’s in Lovie’s doghouse a little more than Martz’ and it kind of reminds me of the Alex Brown/Mark Anderson debacle of a few years ago. Lovie tends to get down on guys for some reason or high on other guys to the point where things don’t seem fair for certain players.
Also, if he’s only a fit on the outside and everyone you hear talk about the Bears’ receivers says what a great fit Hester would be in the slot, why not try that combination? I hate to see us waste a roster spot on a player if you’re just going to sit him.
yeah sounds bullshitarian imo
Everyone seemed pretty high on him from the end of last year. They were not like well he is good but he can’t do this and he is not ready for that.
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
Yeah I don't buy the "he's not versatile enough" BS
Think about it. Even if DA can’t play the slot, Martz came out and said that every other receiver is capable of playing the slot and the outside So what’s stopping the Bears from bringing DA out in their 3WR packages and shifting Knox or Hester to the slot?
Pat Riley is the devil.
From my understanding it was a combination of things.
Without hearing much analysis and “inside scoop” after the game, I thought he took some really hard shots in taht Detroit contest from Cutler not putting the ball to him in space and really putting him in harm’s way of getting hit. Although he dropped a few, he also made some pretty spectaculat catches including Cutler’s FIRST completion where it was overthrown and D. Aro went up and snagged it down OVER THE MIDDLE of the field.
Analysts started writing that it was the 3 or so drops that caused the benching in week 2, which very well might have been apart of it, but then I heard on CSN Chicago Tribune Live that Aro went to the sidlines on one series and complained openly about the passes getting him “racked by blindside defenders” and that didn’t sit well with Cutler or the coaching staff.
Semper Fi
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 24, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you nailed it regarding DA ripping the pass location to the coaches.
Unless a player is an established star and indispensible to the team, the coaches want to nip attitude problems like that in the bud. Hey DA, you may become a star, but you’re not one yet.
by BigGeorgeTX on Sep 24, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes it's about killing negativity.
I think you have to question the fact that a guy who got 10 targets in one game getting benched is sort of a unique situation that just doesn’t come after a few drops.
Semper Fi
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 24, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
for sure
negativity can put the kibosh on any sense of team chemistry in sports or any other venue.
"Stay thirsty, my friend."
And they still won without him
DA gets too much hype and the win Sunday showed Olsen, Hester, Knox,Bennett and Forte can be enough for us to win gameS
All the talents DA has……Olsen has and Olsen is 6’5
by Bear Lovin 21 on Sep 24, 2010 11:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I noticed
That Cutler gave a different reason for DA’s lack of playing time Sunday. He said he ‘was a bit banged-up’.I have serious doubts that he’s not going to be used. He’s clearly a favorite target for Cutler.
Anything you hear, is going to be speculation at this point. I (want to) think that Martz is still testing all his weaponry, and his offensive looks. And maybe using a little bit of a smokescreen, to keep defenses guessing, at this point.
Moon is all over it!
Making Rodgers uncomfortable is the key to this game.
And it all falls on the shoulders of Tommie “Weak Sauce” Harris. Peppers will be doubled all night long and as much as I like Adams & Toenia, it’s Tommie Harris (the three tech.) that makes this defense perform at its best. In order to beat Green Bay, the Bears D will have to play its best.
I really wish I could say differently, because I do not have much confidents in Tommie. But without a strong performance from him, I don’t see how we can possibly win this game…
Certainly is!
Look at the Eagles game and the Lions.
The Eagles were able to get to Rodgers all game through stunts and blitzes; sacking him 3 times and getting 9 pressures on him. Aaron Rodgers threw 19 of 31 passes (61%) for 188 yds (lots of check downs). A majority of his completions came in the first half whne the Eagles were only able to get to him once.
When he was uninhibited in the Lions game…
… 19-29 (65%) and 255 yds passing with 2 TDs.
The pressure has to get him rolling out of the pocket and expecting contact. If they can do that, it will limit his effectiveness and keep the ball out of the hands of their playmakers in the WR unit.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 24, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you mean Bills but yeah, your exactly right? Our OT’s struggled to contain Cole and Parker/Graham, and Rodgers started to get happy feet. If you guys can generate a good pass rush, which I kind of think will happen :( it’ll be tough for our offense to get things going. Our offense is big on rhythm and when we can’t get one going things aren’t always pretty.
At the same time though, I think we’ll be able to generate a good pass rush on Cutler too.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
When doesn't an offense need rhythm to get going?
A defense’s job is always to disrupt the timing of the offense. No QB, I don’t care how good you are, likes to be flushed out of the pocket or hurried into a throw. Well, maybe Vick is the exception. I’d imagine Peppers and Matthews will be doubled all night long.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Haha true, I suppose I’m sort of stating the obvious. It’s just something that our offense really seems to need. Any time we start out slow because of pressure it clearly affects Rodgers throughout the game. He starts to rush things, and is to quick to throw to the check down routes. It’d really help if we could actually establish a running game this week but I don’t see that happening.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah right
It’d really help if we could actually establish a running game this week
Both offenses would love to establish some kind of running game. Kuhn, or whatever his name is, might be a good option for you guys. Traditionally, the Bears smaller linemen have a tough time with more physical type of backs.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Unfortunately no, Kuhn is nothing more then a fullback who the coaches seem to think has running back ability.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as Lovie's defense relies in the play of the three tech lineman and the MLB is it any wonder that the Bears defense struggled the past 3 years?
Urlacher is starting to look like his old self, but Tommie Harris is definitely not a pro bowl calibre lineman any more. Teams are daring him to get to the QB with the emphasis they’re placing on getting a couple of bodies on Peppers, but Tommie isn’t up to the challenge.
by BigGeorgeTX on Sep 24, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
does he have to get to the QB?
I used to think so but read an article recently where he has to take up space in the pocket, the RIGHT space so that if he doesn’t get the sack he can make it so Pep or someone else gets it. He may not be taking up the right space?
"Stay thirsty, my friend."
Sapp made this point, that Harris’ role (as was his) was the unglamourous one in which he had to stop the QB from being able to step up to avoid the outside rush.
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Aromashodu
That explanation for DA’s playing time raises as many questions as it yields answers.
He played the slot almost the entire game against Detroit. Not counting snaps in which the Bears took penalties, and one play where I couldn’t identify the receivers, I count 47 plays for Aromashodu in Week 1. On only 8 of those did he line up wide. Additionally, his one snap against the Cowboys came from the slot as well, although that was a running play.
Of course, I have no idea whether he was “comfortable” doing that or not, but everyone seemed to think the results were decent against Detroit. At the very least, it’s strange that he would be would have his snaps reduced so dramatically from one week to the next just because he had trouble out of the slot – there’s a big difference between “limited” and “benched completely,” you know?
On the other hand, the article mentions DA’s poor blocking, and that I think is true.
I had a dream last night
where Matthews was zombie trying to get to me and my family and friends, but Cutler wasn’t there. Neither were my offensive tackles.
Good article on Rodgers’ praise of our Bears. I liked how Jay is looking out for his kid brother at Vandy.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Good article on Rodgers’ praise of our Bears. I liked how Jay is looking out for his kid brother at Vandy.
Yeah, that was a good read. Pretty cool that both guys seem to have so much respect for one another.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You know...it was a dream
Lots of details are unknown or not present, but I was trying to make it funny. My dog was there; maybe he was my blindside protection. :)
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Too
Funny fail as well, it was a play on the Bears O line woes thus far.
Is your dog signed or FA? He might get called up.
He's tall and has a long reach
So he might be a good developmental swing tackle.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
He doesn't have the bulk
to play inside. His tenacity is second to none, but may have trouble with the bullrush. Here’s his scouting report…
Strengths- mean streak, length, footwork.
Weaknesses- lower-body strength, loses his awareness quickly (he’s a dog!), and has an issue with his leverage at the POA.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
by propheteer on Sep 24, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice....but he doesn't look as tough as the real T-bone
Take a gander at my profile pick; that’s my boy!
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
AWWW!
He’s SOOO cute!
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by Ashley Czuba on Sep 27, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting quote from Jay Cutler
“They’re going to get [Packers cornerback] Charles Woodson into the nickel, into the slot, and they’re going to go [with] a base 4-2 look with him,” Bears quarterback Jay Cutler said. "The amount of 3-4 we’ll see probably will be minimal. We’ll be prepared for it, though.
"
Cutler’s quick diagnosis appears to be right on the money, judging from the methods Green Bay utilized to defend Chicago’s offense just last season, not to mention what the Packers have done through the first two games.
According to ESPN Stats and Information, the Packers operated out of their base 3-4 front for just 15 of 114 snaps so far this season.
Cutler struggled against the 4-3 last year, but excelled against the 3-4. I think that in the 4-3, there are so many variations and schemes that with a secondary like the Packers— it’s tough to figure out where the defenders are located. By the time you lock on…
… Clay Mathews is in your face!
It’ll be interesting to see how Martz schemes for this on Monday.
Semper Fi
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Give Tice some time
And he’ll give you a hell of an offensive line. While he was here, we had a very good offensive line. Since he left, it has begun to fall apart. I don’t know if it’s decaying ability, or worse coaching, but I feel our O-line isn’t as strong as it used to be.
There was an article in our Star Trib about… five, six years back about how the members of the O-line had to be juggled weekly due to injury, and we were still giving up very little pressure on the QB. He’s quick to adapt, as you saw this past week.
I honestly feel if Tice had been given the resources to work with that Chilly has, we’d be a much stronger team right now. But no sense crying over spilled Skol-aid.
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by Robert Rence on Sep 24, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think most fans have faith in Tice
Most don’t have faith in Jerry Angelo to deliver the goods he needs.
by TheMan1 on Sep 24, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rodgers seems like an OK guy
You know, despite being the Packers QB and all. He was on the Rich Eisen podcast this week and I learned some stuff about him that I did not know, for instance that he went to JuCo for a year because he was not recruited out of high school. His road to the NFL has been a long and interesting one, that’s for sure.
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Let's hope that Hester's 2 games of progress...
doesn’t become an excuse for Lovie to say that DA wasn’t really that good and he knew it all along. Lovie’s ego seems to get in the way of his decision making too often, IMO. I tend to see this “benching” as odd at best. Let’s just hope Lovie lets Martz/Tice run the offense and not get too involved in the offensive personnel decisions.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
DA has to make ammends for what he said and his actions.
I think every receiver has games where they make drops and have some things not go their way, but if there is ANYTHING that a receiver should have learned from Terrell Owens or Keyshawn Johnson before him…
… You don’t criticize the starting QB!
Even if you have a valid point! You keep it to yourself and find a good time to bring it to his attention at a later point.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 24, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I do hope you are right...
and this is a dust up among the offensive players. Any other explanation is unacceptable.
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
To me
DA is an X receiver. Period. He’s taller and bigger, and has good straight line speed. He should get a minimum 50% of the snaps in rotation with Knox with Knox moving to the slot or the Z receiver when DA is in.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 24, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
agree
and to add to that i think maybe devin should be our slot receiver which would allow him to get back into focusing on electrifying the crowd…
Last time i checked he was the only person to ever run back opening SUPER BOWL kickoff… why dont we have this guy doing that this year…
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Sep 26, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
DA
This guy needs to play and play alot on Mon. night. If I remember right, his breakout game last year came against these guys at home. Need to take advantage of every matchup we can to win this one.
I think his break-out game last year was against the Vikings
at home, on Monday night. In any event, he’s too talented (even competing with Knox, Hester and Bennett) to not be on the field for at least 1/2 the snaps.
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