Bears Den: September 3rd, 2010 Edition
by Kev H on Sep 3, 2010 7:23 AM CDT
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Bears focus on big picture, not 0-4 mark - No. Focus on the preseason scores.
Olsen is confident offense will excel - I love the blue and orange snowcone machine going on over at Halas Hall.
Collins looks sharp in first Bears outing - He did, from what I understand.
Chicago Bears: Little revealed in 13-10 loss to Cleveland Browns - Tony Little flashed everyone during the game. I dunno if you knew.
'O' a cause for optimism - There's lots of potential. I'd say there's one point twenty one jigawatts of potential.
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Todd Collins: Chicago Bears can rest easy - Chicago can rest easy because, at the end of the day, if Collins is playing the season is probably largely oer.
Offensive line: Chicago Bears need accurate assessment of play before opener - I'm not necessarily sure where they're supposed to get it. Maybe they can get a roster update for Madden and simulate the season 100 times, and then just emulate the results.
A sad cover story - Mully's piece about the preseason and the excuses, and all of it.
Quotes from Thursday night's scrimmage - KEVIN MALAST GAME BALL
What are Chicago Bears made of? It's hard to tell after a winless preseason - Melissa Isaacson graces us with her happy ray.
Wolfe likely done in Chicago - And for some reason, here is what will likely be the debate topic of the day.
Five things we learned in Cleveland - I went to Cleveland once. It wasn't a bad town, but for some reason the whole downtown smelled sorta sewer-y.
Angelo on QBs, Wright and pass protection - Jerry Angelo returns to answer someone's questions about the state of things.
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Season Over
I will be surprised win a single game this season. The coaching staff created a culture of losing. Poor, poor, start! As we say in Chicago, Wait till next year!
Serious lack of talent in the backups
When you let colt McCoy go 13-13 it’s not a good sign. If any of the bears starters on D miss time the D is gonna go from the 15-20 range to the bottom of the league.
by lopey986 on Sep 3, 2010 8:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
In the backups? How about the starters?
We haven’t stopped 3rd and long for 3 seasons now.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I’m beginning to suspect the Bears are deliberately making other teams’ dodgy QBs look good, so these teams will retain them on the roster. We reap the benefits in the regular season.
The alternative is too depressing to contemplate.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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Actually it's the Lions playbook.
We’ll suck so bad, the other teams’ll never know what hit ’em!
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 3, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Game ball to Malast?
From what I saw of the game he didn’t play that well. He got juked out of his shoes on one play. And missed a few tackles. I was thinking he shouldn’t make the team.
I was happy with the play Todd Collins. I’d definitely better happier with him at the two spot over Hanie.
by boondock_saint812 on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 AM CDT reply actions
Wolfe Likely Done
Stay hungry (like a Wolfe), my friend.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
And the Wolfepack sheds a collective tear
and howls at the overhead lights…
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 3, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
These lights are at waist height, right?
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
by Spongie on Sep 3, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Perfect cutting response to an otherwise poetic post.
Rec for you, sir.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 3, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I like to lower the tone :-D
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
And somewhere in a dark and quiet place a hamster can be heard weeping.
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Come to think of it
has anyone seen Hamsta since last night?
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 3, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe DaHamsta has actually been GWolfe this entire time.
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On the other hand.......
Last year, expectations were high and were met with a sickening THUD!
This year, exectations are low……..
Perhaps they will surprise us all.
No money to my local bookie though.
Actually my expectations are higher this year.
With Jay in his second year, growth of the receivers and the FA acquisitions, this is a better team. Add to that some key injuries/issues with the Packers (DB’s) and Vikings (WR’s) and I like our chances. OMG! Did I just say that?
The big questions/solutions revolve around the OL and secondary. Oh, and getting this new offense down.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Ouch
Enjoy the pissed off feeling you’ll have every week for the next 4 months
by lopey986 on Sep 3, 2010 11:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it me or has Angelo
has been very talkative this season…Usually he would make his couple of statements then would not be heard from again until around the end of the season…
Maybe its just me…..
Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.
- Jay Cutler
Maybe he's just making more sense.
I have developed very selective hearing when it comes Angelo.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Accountability!
I think you will see this theme for the remainder of the season.
I think Halas Hall has made Angelo and Lovie stand on their own two and be accountable for their own actions/inactions this season. This should be unlike most seasons where you will hear Lovie sounding like a puppet and defending Angelo’s top picks and saying that they “are the starter” regardless of how poorly they are playing and this should be unlike the times where the coaching mistakes are justified by Angelo as “anomalies” and we as a fanbase are overreacting.
I think the pressure is on this entire management in 2010 as fans and media-alike see through the BS and are looking for 1) better answers for obvious inefficiencies and 2) straightforward replies.
I read a month ago that the media loved speaking with Mike Martz during TCs because of his straightforward interviews that didn’t downgrade the team or it’s players, but certainly addressed the clear inadequacies of the play or game. I hope that ANgelo (and Lovie) are paying attention and understanding that just because you address a glaring deficiency on your team, doesn’t mean you are being negative. It means you are acknowledging it and working on it. Saying that there “is no problem” and fans/reporters are overreacting only compounds the problem and draws MORE attention to the situation.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 3, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
When Martz was first hired
I remember reading how he envisioned Hester being a better slot receiver and Olsen learning how to block to be a TE……Then having to back track when Lovie stated that Hester was a #1 WR and Olsen would be a good receiving TE in this system….
Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.
- Jay Cutler
by CloudyFuture on Sep 3, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t recall a article or post that suggests that Martz ever claimed Devin Hester to be anything more than a starter for this team that lines up anywhere on the football field. I DO remember him being confident that they can find a way to utilize Greg Olsen in this offense and make him effective. But, I can’t recall where he has said that Hester is a no. 1 receiver or Greg Olsen is a prototypical receiving TE in his system.
I think if anything the Bears have done to stifle Martz’s candor is to “take the mic away from his mouth” in post-workouts and games. Martz still has his moments where he labels out his feelings, but they are not as “blunt” as they were early on.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 3, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Spleensplitter,
Again, where has Martz said that “Hester is a no. 1 receiver” as I asked CF above?
The links that you through up in your reply say that he sees him as a starter that can play from the slot, he’s a starter, annnnd… He’s a starter in the mold of the 1999 Rams As-Hakim?
CF— I think he’s given some pretty realistic expectations and statements about the team and its personnel. That’s my only point. I think he’s not in the “smoke & mirror” business even though he works for the masters of it.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 3, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that Martz or Lovie ever made that statement.
I was just offering a sequence where “stupid good in the slot” became “Hester, Knox Projected as Starters”, and that supports your comment.
I can’t and won’t speak for CF or anyone else. Maybe he can provide a link.
I linked Lester’s article quoting Martz as saying he was “an elite Wide Receiver”, which could be construed as a “no. 1”
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
More JA fun...
Here’s today’s favorite for me…
‘’In the old days, when you had free agency, they would only pay the tackle,’’ Angelo said. ’’They’re all making big money on the offensive line now.
’’There’s a reason. It’s a supply-and-demand business. Offensive linemen are a premium, but it’s not like you have to have five all-stars at the position. You’ve got to get five guys who are good enough to play well together.’’
And who said the Bears were cheap?!?
So if free agency is too expensive a way to obtain O-line talent, then the logical choice would be to draft and develop talent within your organization. Perhaps before the 6th/7th round, right? And Jerry’s reply……………????
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
I get what he was saying.
he was saying that you didn’t see Center’s like Nick Mangold or Guards like Steve Hutchinson getting big money as you do today. That’s because the need to protect their big investment from not only the Jared Allen’s of the NFL, but the 2008 Albert Haynesworths and the 3-4 blitzing defenses has made it necessary for you to get a “complete offensive” line.
You can’t pay all of them, so you have to build through the draft— something he has NEVER done. he has historically got his lineman from 1.) FA or 2.) late-round draft picks.
I think we are witnessing a shift in philosophy from Angelo as he is fighting to maintain his job in 2011.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 3, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Well JA is looking at treating everything he does like it's opposite day.
You can tell he’s in total survival mode. And you’ll see Lovie Morph into it as well if the season gets off to a rough start. The old saying if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen…. well Lovie and JA are in the family room heading for the front door cause it’s blazing hot in that kitchen.
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Somewhere in a burning house...
Lovie: Got any 3s?
Jerry: Go fish.
Ted: Lovie, you’ve asked that three times now.
Lovie: So?
Ted: You’re out of challenges.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 3, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
but what about the parts of the house that weren’t charred to a crisp? ;>P
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
...
Lovie: The house isn’t burning.
by Steven Schweickert on Sep 3, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Lol wreck for you.
And for those of you that don’t know Tony Little or just can’t get enough of him here he is…..
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The DB Quotes From the Mulligan Interview
Really are scary. Essentially, Corey Graham and DJ Moore both state fairly clearly that none of the coaches have explained to them where they stand on the team or fit into the overall defensive scheme. Heck, they don’t even seem to know what position they’re expected to play. Both seem to think Daneal Manning will be moved back to nickel.
Competition is great, but you’ve got to give the employees feedback and direction. It is demoralizing to work your hardest and then be treated as a failure w/o being told why. Is it any wonder the Bears defensive backfield is an ongoing disaster?
Well if Wright fits into the plan properly
That’s where Manning would go. Wright at FS, Harris at SS, Manning at Nickel.
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I would like that...
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 3, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You just can't go wrong with Wright.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Lovie=disaster...
he’s most directly responsible for the nickel position!
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO FIRE LOVIE!
Will the Bears wipe out a good bit of their 2009 draft?
Defensive lineman Jarron Gilbert, receiver Juaquin Iglesias and defensive lineman Henry Melton were the Bears’ top three picks of that draft. They’ve all been invisible this summer and certainly haven’t done anything to earn roster spots. Whether one is reserved for them is another question.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
ChicagoMarine..
No need to waste a good FanPost in the comments section of a thread…
That was top-notch work… I’ve saved the text, and am emailing it to you.
Thanks.
When he post the FP can you add those great comments that
you’ve deprived WCG from???
P.S. I’m still mad at you for evicting me from the 1st half thread last night. Consider yourself on friend probation for at least 10 min.
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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 3, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, DN.
I’ll throw it up there this afternoon.
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 3, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Add
Kevin Smith (who, oh “silent bob”?) and Freddy Barnes to that cut list…..
Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.
- Jay Cutler
by CloudyFuture on Sep 3, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting fun facts according to Brad Biggs Twitter
- #Bears emulating success in preseason. Bears and #Colts only teams to finish preseason 0-4.
- #Bears 0-4 for 1st time in preseason since ’98 under #Wanny.
- With 46 points, #Bears were the 2nd lowest scoring team in preseason. Panthers (33) scored less.
- look back at 2009 preseason, Chiefs (42 points), Colts (50) were 2 lowest scoring teams. One bad, one good. hard to read.
Getting to know Mike Martz offense with this offensive line? It’s just hours of pure boredom interrupted by moments of unbelievable horror.
- Jay Cutler
Don’t the Colts normally do “badly” in preseason, from what I’ve been reading? They’re obviously focusing on different things, evaluating potential new personnel for a system that’s been around for a long time.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
Only just noticed this while rereading (hey, it’s Saturday afternoon and I’ve already caught up with everything Bears-related online over the last 3 hours) one of Mullin’s articles (emphasis is mine):
While virtually all defense is built on the foundation of a pass rush, the Bears are now placing a premium on execution back behind the linemen and linebackers.
"In the old days, you would say it’s all predicated on the rush," Angelo said. "No, it’s not all predicated on the rush. You’ve got to tighten the coverage down a little bit too to give the rush a half a chance to make that quarterback bring the ball down, let him hold it an extra half a second or a second.
"That’s paramount to the rush, too. So they both go hand in hand. We’ve been doing more of that, and I feel good about what we’re doing. Now it’s a matter of us going out and executing. That’s the bottom line."
No sh*t, Sherlock. How many years late?
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~
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