Chicago Bears 53 Man Roster - Cut List (And updated roster list)
by Adam T on Sep 4, 2010 8:29 PM CDT
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The Bears on Saturday reached the NFL’s mandatory 53-man roster limit by waiving 21 players including offensive lineman Josh Beekman, safety Al Afalava, special teams standout Tim Shaw, defensive lineman Jarron Gilbert and wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias.
They also terminated the contract of tight end Richard Angulo, a vested veteran.
Other players waived were quarterback Dan LeFevour, fullback Eddie Williams, receivers Freddie Barnes and Greg Mathews, tackles James Marten and Levi Horn, center Tim Walter, defensive end Barry Turner, defensive tackles Edwin Williams and Mick Williams, linebackers Kevin Malast and Kelvin Smith, cornerbacks Cornelius Brown and Woodny Turenne and safeties Quentin Scott and Aaron Webster.
UPDATE: We've added the current roster after the jump. There are subject to be a few changes, but this is the "final" roster that the Bears have reported to the league.
QB (3): Jay Cutler, Todd Collins, Caleb Hanie
RB (4): Matt Forte, Chester Taylor, Kahlil Bell, Garrett Wolfe
WR (5): Johnny Knox, Devin Hester, Devin Aromashodu, Rashied Davis, Earl Bennett
TE (4): Greg Olsen, Brandon Manumaleuna, Desmond Clark, Kellen Davis
OL (8): Chris Williams, Roberto Garza, Olin Kreutz, Lance Louis, Frank Omiyale, Kevin Shaffer, J'Marcus Webb, Johan Asiata
DL (9): Julius Peppers, Tommie Harris, Anthony Adams, Israel Idonije, Mark Anderson, Matt Toeaina, Henry Melton, Marcus Harrison, Corey Wootton
LB (6): Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, Pisa Tinoisamoa, Hunter Hillenmeyer, Nick Roach, Brian Iwuh
CB (6): Charles Tillman, Zack Bowman, Corey Graham, D.J, Moore, Tim Jennings, Josh Moore
S (5): Chris Harris, Danieal Manning, Major Wright, Craig Steltz, Josh Bullocks
SPEC (3): Robbie Gould, Pat Mannelly, Brad Maynard
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I'm not saying he outplayed any of the others but...
I think we will regret cutting Iglesias loose at some point.
On the plus side, Matt Jones was released today...
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Please.........
Will someone explain how some people think matt jones is still a viable option for the bears?? or any nfl team even? ANYBODY
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". -Mark Twain
by pappabearhalas on Sep 5, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Read Jerbear50 wrong then....
but i’ve seen others throw that name out and mean it as an upgrade, he’s tall……..anything else, i mean other than his skill at snorting coke? whatever we are stuck with who the bears have and now its time for them to show that they are in it to win this year and not just waiting for another draft……..sunday those guys need to show that this season isn’t gonna suck.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". -Mark Twain
by pappabearhalas on Sep 6, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions
And Dane......
I like your style +1
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". -Mark Twain
by pappabearhalas on Sep 6, 2010 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Matt Jones has become sort of a mascot at WCG...
a mascot for what, I’m not sure. But, typically anytime a semi-big name is available from another team, or on the free agent market, we always have people who start with the “The Bears should go get _.”
So, Matt Jones is more of a metaphorical punchline than anything else.
Honestly, I haven't
seen anyone seriously state they wanted Jones considered. Jones will probably, finally and justly, be done in the NFL now.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The only one that hurts me is Tim Shaw
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting." - George Orwell
by RoyRockNRoll on Sep 4, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
it legit hurts
the guy worked his ass off and if we had a few more Tim Shaw type players wed be in great shape
by Bear Lovin 21 on Sep 4, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No, we'd be terrible.
But we’d be scrappy. From all accounts, Rashied works really hard too.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Iglasias and Gilbert are eligible for the practice squad according to the Tribune
So if nobody picks them up on waivers, they may be back at Halas Hall soon. Doubt they want Iglasias, but maybe Gilbert.
If they put Hanie on the IR after the Detroit game, for how long is he out? At that point they can bring in a veteran at another position without paying a vested salary.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Putting a player on IR
means he is done untill 2011
by Bear Lovin 21 on Sep 4, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If Gilbert's only problem
was fitting onto a 4-3 line it could be attractive for a 3-4 team to try him at end.
He was picked up by the Jets
I believe for their practice squad.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
They were awarded someone from the Cowboys that they’d placed a higher priority on. Gilbert is now a free agent, according to Biggs.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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Good catch. Yahoo had i earlier that the Jets had placed him on their P.S.
but I hadn’t seen the update. Apparently we also kept Turenne. I thought he had just been cut outright.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Turenne’s been moved to waived/IR, so it looks like we’re not keeping him.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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If he's not claimed, doesn't he revert back to us?
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I thought if it was today or later it was only something like 8 games?
Isn’t that the injured/pup list?
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
PUP is the first 6 games, according to what I’ve been reading about Darren Sharper.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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Yes, the PUP list means you're off the active roster for the first 6 games.
After that, they have to be moved to the active roster or placed on IR.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Every move they made today
was a complete highlight of their drafting ineptitude.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I was screaming the same thing earlier!
Angelo’s tagline should be: “F*ing up drafts since 2001” He’s a dumbass and I’m afraid Ruskell will assume the post when the biggest asshole (Phillips) fires his ass. Still cry myself to sleep thinking we could’ve had Polamalu instead of Haynes… ugh!
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
How Many Times!
I keep saying it over and over again, … that Yesterday starters are Todays early cuts.
These guys couldn’t recognize talent if it slapped them up-side of the cocksucker.
And when they do rutt-up a true prospect by mistake, … untill this year, … they didn’t have any Real Coaches that knew how to develope them.
Keep Tice and let him build us a O-Line.
Marinelli knowes the defense better than Lovie already and Martz will need another year with the offense.
Love is toast! He is not a Head Coach. OK! … A Position Coach, but not a Head Coach!
I don’t know if it’s because he can’t learn or won’t learn, but he has proven that the only thing he’s worst at than throwin the “Red Sock” is screwing up at chosing/cutting players and coaches.
Seems like what ever he does, the last few years, will end up wrong :(
Except for the fact that, acoording to what i read,
Marinelli is the one that wanted Gilbert. Like i said then, we should have drafted Micheal Johnson.
I love Garrett Wolfe
and am glad he’s still here with us. I know you might feel that you’re the only one in the Wolfepack, but you’re not. :]
"A lot of fans were drawn to me because they knew that whatever the score was, I was going to run as hard as I could on every play. You don't have that now, you have guys waiting for next week or even next year." - Walter Payton
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Whats the point
of a running back that will NEVER start for an NFL team, and despite all his straight line speed (thus success as a S/T gunner) does not have the burst out of his cuts to be a true outside runner either (hence his inability to be a guy like Sproles). If he can never carry the ball consistently, what can he do? Make some ST tackles? I can get that in the 7th round. Wolfe is a bust, and because we won’t cut him, he is the bust that keeps on busting.
by Brendan Hess on Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
You think LeFevour will be on the practice squad?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Sep 4, 2010 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
I hope so
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on Sep 5, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Cinci got him
LeFevour has been signed as a back-up QB by Cincinatti… He gone!
Why?
should we keep wolfe over iglesias. We have seen wolfes ceiling. Why not give quaquin a chance to develop. It makes no sense
What are you talking about?
Haven’t you heard? Wolfe will be our Sproles!
Whast the heck happened to
that FB kid Will Ta’Fo’ou, i’m sure I messed up his spelling. I liked him a lot. And he wasn’t mentioned on the cuts or the final roster. So where did he go?
Waived/Injured a few days ago
He might have been a practice squad guy if he hadn’t got hurt. I like him too but Martz doesn’t use a traditional FB so no room for him. :-/
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on Sep 5, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh and Before Anybody else says anything
I say no to the Bears signing:
-Leinhart
-Matt Jones
-Housh
-Troy Smith
-Dre Bly
-Nathan Vasher
-Michael Clayton
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on Sep 5, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions
Why not Housh?!
We are undermanned at WR with 5 in a system that throws 5 out there occasionally and we have maybe, after the vikes, the smallest group of wideouts(Height wise) plus he’ll get his 7 million bucks regardless. We have some good receivers but nobody can argue that we do not have the toughest corps in the league. They get knocked out of their routes more than corps I saw last year. He would come in for the minimum and Seattle would have to pick up the rest of the 7. It’s not a pressing need but Bennett banged up and not playing anything during the last month and a half. It’s not a bank breaker and I’m not buying the whole cancer shit cause when cincy was circus he never said a peep but to back his teammates. Just saying… we don’t need necessarily need him but we could use him.
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
i agree/disagree
housh would be a good pick up, thats where i disagree, if anything he would be more of a decoy and with the talent we have at receiver i would wait to see a few games into the season before signing a demanding wideout. 23 and 15 give us the fastest starting receivers in the league and with 19 coming off the bench/slot receiver is deadly. he is already jay’s favorite target and lets not forget earl bennett when he is healthy has a nice flow with jay back to their college days… i just dont see housh fitting in
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Sep 5, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree w/ this assessment
Basically, Borikua, we don’t need him and I doubt he’d sign for the minimum. Plus, remember last year when before he played the Bears he said he was going to make us “feel bad” or whatever for not signing him or even calling him when he was a free agent? Then he preceded to do nothing in the game against our mediocre secondary? No thanks I’ll pass. Plus, I tend to believe that receivers hands start to go once they get north of 32-33. I have no evidence to back me up on this other than my own thoughts and observations.
"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.' - Chris Berman
by Sam Householder on Sep 5, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok ok... damn
I’m just frustrated that these coaches have managed to leave the offense thin at the most pressing positions.
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
What ever happened.....
to Plaxico?
"Most important thought, if you love someone, tell him or her, for you never know what tomorrow may have in store." ~ The Great Walter J. Payton.
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"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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You mean besides going to prison
for taking a loaded, unregistered gun into a busy nightclub?
And being denied work release twice?
i dont like beekman being cut
Whos ur backup center he should be starting.Krutz is washed up and beekman can play guard hes a solid starter.
+1
I hate to see Shaw leave…….He has done nothing but great things………..Anybody who says that’s a good move should get a reality check………Beekman, not only did we loose a backup center but what if, the Garza experiment doesn’t pan out???
Is it me,or do the Packers really suck???
by I love football! on Sep 5, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate...
That they made our most consistent O lineman an experiment. I won’t blame a guy that has been in a position his whole life and made him move for essentially a rookie (2nd year but didn’t play last year) that had to learn a position anyway but… ah f*ck it!
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
what has Beekman ever done to give anyone the impression he was a good NFL player?
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 6, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
He's awesome because in Madden I built him up to a "99".
Actually he is undersized for a prototypical Tice OL.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
The most embarrasing thing is:
Maybe just 1 or 2 of our cuts will find jobs. That’s how pathetic our roster was. I pencil in Beekman and Shaw as candidates to be on someone’s roster.
Meanwhile, there are teams with talented rosters throughout the league dealing away their “cuts” because the players are in demand.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Ditto
Beekman and Shaw find jobs in short order!
I think Gilbert will too
He’s pretty much a prototype 3-4 end…
Nice pick Jerry!
I agree,
with the right coaching he might still be pretty good . I’d hate to see him picked up by the Packers.
Isn't that generally the case though?
How many teams in the league see more than 1 or 2 of their cuts make it onto other teams?
Pat Riley is the devil.
beek and shaw
i definitely feel the confusion on beekmans end but i i also see the decision to cut shaw. Josh beekman could play center or guard which is why im confused its like losing two linemen in my eyes when we have a struggling o-line. Why not cut Marten since we kept webb and let beekman stay? Tim Shaw produces on special teams which is true but its been said for 3 days now Iwuh has beat him out on for a roster spot the last few years. It tells me one thing the coaches are noticing that Iwuh is a better all around player. Though i hate to see tim go theres no room for two special teams aces, now why Gman(garret wolfe) is still on the team WHO KNOWS?
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Sep 5, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
Remember Bears fan saying they would go with 6 receivers?
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2010/8/19/1631514/53-man-roster-is-not-simple-fans
It was good to look back and see what our guesses were about a month or so ago.
Semper Fi
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I think the biggest surprise
was that we kept both 4 TEs AND 4 RBs. That’s why we only have 5 WRs, IMO. To me, this means that Martz is will rarely be used tight, on the o-line. He’ll either be split out or used as a receiver out of an H-Back backfield set.
To me, this means that Martz will rarely be used tight
Olsen, I assume (hope!) you mean… I expect Martz to move him around before the snap to create/exploit mismatches, depending on the defensive formation and personnel out there.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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Don't forget we also probably went into this season figuring we'd only keep 2 qb's, so there's another roster spot taken
As much as I like Caleb Hanie, I’d rather see him on IR and have another WR or O-lineman. The Beekman cut, while I don’t think he’s the greatest thing ever, could really hurt down the road if Kreutz or a Guard nicked up.
Agree on the Beekman thing. There’s going younger, which is fine, but the lack of experience behind them should we lose Kreutz or Garza during a game has me a little worried.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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Imagine if Kreutz and Garza got banged up in the same game!!
We’d have to bring Mannelly in and go shot gun from 10 yards deep on every play.
On the plus side, Mannelly is awesome.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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We’d have to bring Mannelly in and go shot gun from 10 yards deep on every play.
So you’re saying we’d be Super Bowl bound?
Maybe he could snap the ball to our receivers?
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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I'm pretty sure
that is against the rules, as it would give the Bears an unfair competitive advantage.
I wonder,
if it is because they feel comfortable having Olsen, Chester, or Forte running routes. Certainly all three are better than average pass catchers for their positions.
I must admit that I thought they were going to keep six, I guess they could be looking through the scrap heap.
With how our offensive line is playing
I hope we use a TE as a blocker sometimes.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Olsen and Wolfe
could both get some WR reps
In the 8th grade Mike Ditka won his school's Science Fair with a model of a working volcano. There were 17 other working volcano's made that day, but only one named Mount Ditka.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 6, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting theory on Wolfe
That’s just crazy enough to work.
Well he isn't much of a RB
so maybe just maybe if we Hesterize him all over the field he might actually justify a spot.
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Wasted Draft Picks
It is readily apparent the Bears are poor judges of talent by the release of their top draft picks and then they keep a guy like Garrett Wolfe who is absolutely worthless and has not ever accomplished anything. The guys that need to be released are the guys running the organization. I will be surprise if the Bears win a game this season. They are putrid!
Your ledge-fu is strong.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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There is a lot of anger in this one, yes?
Semper Fi
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 5, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Turn to the Dark Side I fear, he will.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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Thoughts on some Cuts.
The decision to keep Garrett Wolfe on this roster was an understandable one. It was evidence that they were trying to get rid of him by trying different players at his position on special teams and the less carries he got this preseason. When they saw that no one can play the personal punt protector position better than Wolfe, that was his ticket to a roster spot.
Iglesias should have never been drafted by the Bears for the fact that he’s the same player as Earl Bennett.
Beekman release was understandable since Johan Asiata has more upside and Garza can play Center in a pinch if Kreutz were to get injured. I just never understand the love for Beekman and was worried that he was the heir apparent to Kreutz.
The Gilbert pick is a clear example how incompetent their talent evaluation is. According to Biggs, the Bears never wanted Gilbert and instead wanted some DT from Purdue that Kansas City got before that pick. A 3-4 defensive end like Gilbert doesn’t fit in a tampa -2 where you value speed and athleticism at that position.
by Dominique Blanton on Sep 5, 2010 12:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
A 3-4 defensive end like Gilbert doesn’t fit in a tampa -2 where you value speed and athleticism at that position.
Dude jumped out of a pool !
I keed, I keed.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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3 punts were blocked from failures in blocking from the punt protector
Wolfe has not allowed a single blocked punt and has still managed to lead the team in Special Team tackles. He was probably the one player chosen by Dave Toub and that says a lot about his abilities on special teams.
Edwin Williams on the PS
According to Jensen.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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The one thing that makes me glad about
the Jarron Gilbert cut is that now all the JA apologists can see why some of us have been calling for his head for years now! JA is, and always has been, a terrible talent evaluator and that includes coaches and players!
In short ladies and gentlemen,
Jerry Angelo is an ass clown.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
by Just Dave on Sep 5, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Thought-provoking concept!
rec’d for description
Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p
by ChicagoMarine on Sep 5, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
What color does a comment turn after 100 rec's?
I have a feeling we shall see. I hope its neon blue and flashes
by TheMan1 on Sep 5, 2010 5:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There are still JA
apologist out there? What a rare breed that must be, thankfully I haven’t seen any of those dreadful creatures in years.
Pffff, next they’ll be talking about dragons and unicorns.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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Beekman!?
we kept K. Bell and Kellen Davis over Beekman!?
That was stupid: keep 2 guys who will never see the field (including on special teams) instead of a decent young player who is your #1 backup at 3 of the 5 O-Line positions (and was the heir apparent to Kreutz after this season).
Our 1st two picks from last year’s draft gone already — way to draft there Jerry!
Bell and Davis will both see the field,
and Beekman was in no way, shape, or form any legitimate “heir apparent” to Kreutz at Center. Beekman is not a good football player, and if Mike Tice wasn’t impressed with him, then why keep him around?
by Dane Noble on Sep 5, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wonder if, as some have speculated, if Kreutz is done after this season, we’ll be looking at a replacement center who’ll never have played the position before. With the clowns who run the team, that wouldn’t surprise me.
"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - overheard at Giants' '06 training camp
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This.
I was able to watch a little of the Browns game, and Beekman just looked brutal at center. If Tice isn’t confident having him come in if Kreutz gets hurt, he has no value.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
counting on injuries
you must be counting on a rash of injuries if you think Bell and Davis are going to make any contribution whatsoever to this team (that goes for at least the next 2 years).
Why keep 4 TEs when you’re running a scheme that doesn’t emphasize the position!?
Why keep 4 RBs when you have a #2 RB who could start for 1/2 the teams in the league!?
Kreutz is done after this year (and should have been done 2 years ago). I guess we can look forward for a yet-to-be-named 6th round draft pick to anchor our O-line in the future.
by MakeHalasProud on Sep 5, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but it's the half that don't make the playoffs.
a #2 RB who could start for 1/2 the teams in the league!?
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+1
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 6, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Davis played his ass off this pre-season. He always makes tough catches when given the chance.
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
When he doesn't drop them, lol....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
whoops, wrong Davis.
My bad……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Garrett Wolfe still has a job
I wasn’t very high on Beekman, but man, there’s no way Garrett Wolfe deserves to still have a job playing football.
Is Ralph Friedgen fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
If nobody else could figure out how to protect Maynard...
then I’m not sure that Lovie had much of a choice. I could have blocked the rusher better than Iglasias did, and I’m a fat middle aged man.
Who would you put back there? Me, I would have tried the various TEs (didn’t Suhey protect while being a starter?).
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Suhey was a fullback.
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oops, didn't finish my sentence
I meant to originally put in Greg O. instead of the generic TEs, thus the reference to Suhey being a starter and playing on STs. But then I remembered that Greg can’t really block.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Sep 5, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Dan Lefevour picked up by the bengals.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/05/bengals-add-dan-lefevour-cut-jt-osullivan/
Way to completely waste a sixth round pick! To all the people who said “it was a good pick he was the best available.”(and you know who you are!), what do you think know?
"Sure things" of course not
But one has to wonder what changed in their thinking. Drafting a QB and then release cut him? Sign an over the hill 1 year term vet?
Tells me either Hanie is jacked up, they are more concerned than WCG members are even about protecting Cutler, or JA won a bet by doing so of something.
by TheMan1 on Sep 5, 2010 5:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
or....
Collins really shined more than the Bears expected, and after reading the writing on the wall, Lovie and Co know that winning now means more than winning tomorrow. Just a thought.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 5, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
What are they basing shine on? 1 preseason game and 2 weeks practice, guess old timer must have some mass skills we didn’t see
by TheMan1 on Sep 6, 2010 1:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly.....
If Jay goes down in week one, and Hanie isn’t ready, would you want to trust the team to Collins or Lefevour? I think Dan will be the better pick to keep in two year, but right now? Would you really put him in before Collins?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If Cutler goes down, who cares?
Shoot blow it up and let some rooks get snaps. We going to win with Todd Collins as our QB?
Lovie: “Rex Todd is our Quarterback…”
I suspect the people whose jobs may be on the line might, and possibly those who still have to go out there and put their bodies through the wringer.
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Why not?
He’s won a lot of games, and his last outing as a starter he had a 106 QB rating in ‘07. We’re not talking about an atrocious QB here. Hell, we won with Kyle Orton as a rookie and 2 years ago, and you think the season is done if Todd Collins is our starter? Come on.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 9, 2010 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
"What are they basing shine on? 1 preseason game and 2 weeks practice"
Remember that Collins also has, oh, 15 years in the league. The Bears kinda would have a better idea of what Todd is than just what they’ve seen in two weeks, doncha think?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions
So was Kurt Warner......
Not saying Collins is Warner, but let’s be fair. Unemployed in the NFL before the season even starts doesn’t mean someone can’t play or isn’t any good. 2007 was his last meaningful playing time. He started 3 games threw 5 TDs and 0 INTs and had a 106 QB rating. But the Redskins were determined to make Campbell work out. The Skins went younger with Grossman and Beck as the backups.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 9, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
There are no sure things in any round.
That is why you target and draft players you need. You don’t draft a QB in the 6th rd rd who, at best, would have been a 3rd QB(remember they said they liked Hanie and were going to keep him). You take a flyer on a player to develop for a team need. What we need was O-line depth. It was a wasted pick period.
I still think he was a great pick...
… doesn’t mean that the Bears were smart with it.
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That doesn't make any sense!
How is it a great pick if he isn’t on the team for the first game in the year he was drafted?!
Because the management realized they need to win now....
and watching Jay take the beating he took in the pre-season, I’m betting that they decided to mortgage the future for insurance now. Your blaming the kids release on his abilities, when I’m betting it has more to do with Lovie, JA and company trying to save their jobs should Jay fall down, not that I think their jobs are much safer, but still.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 5, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I am saying that,
for whatever reason they want to use, a pick being released before the first regular season game(in the same year he was drafted) is a wasted pick. It’s amazing to me that you wiould still endorse that pick. It’s called managing risk. If you have a “franchise QB”, a young “promising” back-up, and terrible depth at certain(O-line) positions why would you waste a late rd pick on a QB? Common sense says that you load up on positions of need and see if one pans out. If they don’t, well, they are also wasted picks!
Here's where we differ...
I don’t think Martz thought much of Hanie when the draft came around. Neither did a lot on this sight, or a lot of the media. You’re calling it a position of strength, but before training camp everyone was saying the Bears were screwed if Cutler went down, and still were as recently as two weeks ago. I think the Bears did exactly what you described above. They saw a position where terrible depth was perceived and threw a pick at it that was roundly considered a good choice among writers and such. Then Hanie proved himself to Martz. Then he got hurt and the Bears were forced to bring in Collins. Collins turned out to be better than expected and circumstances left Lefevour the odd man out. As hard as I am on Angelo (I did just write a fanpost about the atrocities of the Angelo Drafts), I see this as bad luck and win now thinking rather than a bad pick. Had Hanie not been hurt, Lefevour would be on the roster.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Apparently the Bengals thought he was NFL worthy. Aren't they the same team that's.....
benefiting from the utterly stupid release of Tank Johnson and the ability to motivate Cedric Benson. I’d still say that Dan was a good pick. Sometimes circumstances change. I think the Bears thought he would be available for the practice squad, and misjudged what other teams saw in Lafevour in the Browns game. With Hanie injured, it forced the Bears to get Collins. Collins then shined in the Cleveland game and that changed Dan’s fate. Had Hanie not injured his shoulder Lefevour would still be a Bear, I think. It’s just the way the chips fell.
I’m certainly no Angelo apologist, but I don’t actually blame Angelo for dropping a 6th rounder on a guy like Lefevour. He’s a developmental pick and will make, at the least, a good backup in a couple years.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 5, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The fact that he wasn't....
had nothing to do with his abilities. It had to do with Hanie being injured and Collins being brought in.
No Hanie Injury = Dan Lefevour as #3 QB……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Cuts
whoa its alot of good linemen available here are some:
OT Jon Jansen
OT Adam Terry
OL Andrew Hartline
G Max Jean-Gilles
C Justin Hartwig
oh and look a couple fullbacks:
FB Carey Davis
FB Jason Davis
FB Jason McKie(personal fav)
FB Dan Klecko
and look some cb’s/db’s:
CB Travis Fisher
CB Dre Bly
CB Karl Paymah
CB Tye Hill
CB Nathan Vasher(he can catch at least)
So its help available where we need it most…
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Sep 5, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions
Terry is the only one I would look at for this team on the O-line
"Sorry bro, he Jason Bourned me"- Drama
i wouldnt agree
i watched our franchise left tackle give up 6 sacks in 2 weeks of part time action… im thinking mentor or give him a serious challenge so he doesnt think he has a free ride… im thinking he needs to be challenged more. going against jp in practice is good but its nothing like knowing your fighting for a job. look at how motivated he was last year
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Sep 5, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry we have Tice
as our O-Line coach! LOL!
oh look the great Vasher was cut
surprise
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Sep 6, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I still see Vasher running behind
DA in the end zone during the Chargers pre-season game like a little kid trying to catch his big brother before the touchdown pass.
Vasher “The Interceptor” was great for us the first two years but quickly faded. I still remember the great return he made that was an NFL record for a little while.
Vasher was just never the same after injuries....
Sucks, too, because before he started having problems, he was looking like our answer at CB.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 9, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions
waiver wire moves
I just can’t see anybody off waivers having a significant impact right now. These moves should have been done 6 months ago. If they knew they were hiring Martz all along (and with that particular offense needing 5-7 step drops to succeed) why wasn’t this taken care of in March?? JA can’t draft and the whole league knows it!! THe faster this coaching staff and GM are shown the door, all the better, in my opinion.
QB...
What would be so wrong with Troy Smith as back up. He’s not as weathered as Todd Collins, but man he’s got a better arm.
I’d have picked him up in a heartbeat.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Sep 5, 2010 11:03 PM CDT reply actions
Heres one big issue with having ....
…. Troy Smith as our back up , he has zero experience in a Martz type offense . Collins has run this offense a few times and is a better option at back up for us due to his knowledge of the system . Smith’s not the guy I want coming in if something happens to Cutler .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 6, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
You can’t just run out and pick the best available player up. you have to pick up the best available player for your system (Hey Jerry, should have thought of this when you drafted Gilbert, huh?)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 6, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Shit is...
He didn’t even do that when he picked Gilbert. He saw the best pool jumper and thought: “I gotta have this freak.” The rest is Angelo’s Draft bust history.
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
I would't mind Smith as the 3rd qb and special situations
I think he would be a great fit over Hanie. Instead of using Hester in the absurd bears’ wildcat, we can use an actual NFL arm that can run if given a lane. Being that double threat is gonna catch teams off guard and it would be a whole lot of mismatches with Hester, Knox and Olsen on the field in the “bearcat”.
Pof, Pof, Pasa! Watch out for the monsters!
bears fan...live in baltimore
borikua79 i thought of you as soon as my hometown team signed him… im thinking he wasnt a good fit in Chicago, but damn did Baltimore just pick up a steal. im Thinking the AFC North is going to be exciting with 3 possible teams fighting for division leader(ravens, steelers, bengals). Im hoping the NFC North is just as exciting, i can see the bears vikings and packers fighting it out. I thought about starting a blog, mine is more a question than anything…
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Sep 10, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions
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