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WCG Keys to defeating Dom Capers

4 touchdowns, 9 interceptions, 14 sacks, and QB rating of 57.5. If you ask Jay Cutler what defense he has struggled against the most thus far in his career, there's no doubt his answer would be Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers' 3-4. What makes Capers' defense so tough to move the ball on is for one, his defensive line not only occupies blockers, but they're also capable of rushing the passer to go along with Clay Matthews. Not only that, Capers has so much confidence in his corners in man coverage that he sends his best CB Charles Woodson on blitzes.

The Bears pass protection has had trouble picking up Capers exotic blitz schemes, and the receivers (specifically Knox and Hester) get punked out in press coverage against their corners - often throwing off the timing of the play which results in Cutler getting sacked or Cutler throwing a turnover. For this week's WCG key match-up, I am concentrating on ways the Bears can beat Capers' defense. The Bears are one game away from reaching the Super Bowl, and the guy that's in the way of that destination is the same guy that has had Cutler's number since he arrived here in Chicago.

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Contain the 300 pound lineman

It all starts with these guys, and if you can effectively contain B.J. Raji, Cullen Jenkins, and Ryan Pickett; it eases some pressure off the tackles and tight End who will look to pick up the edge rushers and blitzes on the outside. Capers' defensive line is the foundation of his 3-4 schemes, because it keeps the opposing offensive lineman off those linebackers. The interior line has to play outstandingly, because it will be a long day if the defensive line is adding to the pass rush and plugging up holes in the running game.

Using Matt Forte and Chester Taylor on outside runs

Forte had a great 1st half against the Packers in the final week of the season, but Martz went away from the run game. I like Forte and Taylor's chances against the Packers' front 7 especially on a Solder Field turf, which would make the slow-footed Packers linebackers even slower. Yes, the Bears will run up the gut, but I expect Tice to use Forte and Taylor's speed on the outside because running up the gut against this defensive line is the equivalent to running into a brick wall. If the Bears can pop one on an inside run that would just be gravy.

Test J'Marcus Webb 1-on-1 against Clay Matthews

Yes you are reading this right, put Webb 1-on-1 against Matthews early on and see how he does. I get it that Matthews is a beast, but he can be neutralized by an offensive tackle, case in point Kevin Shaffer in the 1st meeting this year against the Packers. Webb is bigger, faster, and more athletic than Shaffer. Webb just needs to learn how to quickly get off the snap which he has improved on each week. If Webb struggles 1-on-1 with Matthews, we should expect Martz to line a TE next to him.

Rolling Out Jay Cutler

Moving the pocket and allowing Cutler to throw on the run not only frees him from pressure, but puts pressure on the corners and linebackers to cover ground. The two guys in the passing game that can take advantage of this are Greg Olsen and Kellen Davis. If they are matched-up on linebackers this will be a big advantage for the Bears. Green Bay in the past hs lined up a corner against Olsen and often shut him out of the game. This is why I hope Davis' 39-yard touchdown pass was the start of more playing time in the pass game. His height and size should give the Packers linebackers problems.

Locate where Charles Woodson is at on the field

We should expect Woodson to be the nickel guy when Capers has his defense in that formation. The best way for the Bears to avoid this is to stay out of 3rd and long because that is where they will use Woodson as a blitz rusher the most.  If the Bears are in 3rd and long and they see Woodson setting up to blitz from the NB position, a wide receiver screen is a best way to combat a play like that. This particular route is best because best believe Dom has a guy taking away that hot route slant. Earl Bennett and Devin Hester are two guys that come to mind that I believe can break a tackle and get to that first down marker.

Attack Sam Shields

There's no weakness in the Packers secondary, but if I had to pick one it would be Sam Shields even though he's no slouch. However, he can be beaten and if there was ever a chance to dust off Devin Aromashodu for a game it is this one. Why not use a guy that is hungry and wants to prove himself again. I feel they should throw different looks at Shields in hopes that he has a brain fart. Shields is a solid corner and won't be rattled, but you hope the multiple looks he has on his side confuses him enough to open up a big play.

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Great post.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 20, 2011 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

This Packers defense is due for a let down

I expect this week to be that game. All the exotic formations can backfire when the defense is out of sync. just dont see this team playing at this high a level for what the 5th or 6th week in a row. SInce they lost to New England they have been playing at a very high level and eventually they should have a game where they are a step slower than usual. Now the adrenaline of the playoffs may counteract this but have to think at some point they have a let down.

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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 20, 2011 8:39 PM CST reply actions  

Not to be a pest.

But your post makes no sense. They are due for a let down? The Packers who are the 2nd ranked defense (scoring wise through nfl.com) are playing the 21st ranked offense scoring wise (nfl.com). What justifications do you have for them playing a “step slower”? The Soldier field turf? You have to remember that the Bears’ Martz offense is based on timing and Cutler putting a ball into a spot and the receiver running towards that spot. The unfortunate thing is the Packers have very physical cornerbacks than can really mess up a receiver’s path. Which really will affect Knox who has stopped through a couple of routes and has led to a couple of picks and near picks. In fact. I see the turf as a bigger disadvantage for the Bears than Mike McCarthy’s West Coast offense ==> passing wise.

But! The big advantage the Bears have is their superior run game with Matt Forte and a pretty good receiving tight end in Greg Olsen. Forte is probably the key to a Bears victory more so than Olsen. Last week Tony Gonzalez was a non-factor throughout the game even though he was Matt Ryan’s “saftey valve” and is much better than Olsen.

Like the author stated, the Bears need to focus on establishing an edge and pounding the outside of the field. Clay Matthews is prone to over pursue and A.J. Hawk has had issues with shedding blockers. Though, the Bears need to keep an eye on Woodson as well as he has blown up a couple of running plays due to his instincts and/or being sent to blitz. I will add that the Packer have shut down LeSean McCoy and Michael Turner who are arguably better than Matt Forte.

Though the main point I guess is that I don’t understand your post. What letdown are you speaking of? The defense has been great all season. They consistently have been rated a top-5 defense (football outsiders). How is facing a worse offense going to hurt them?

by alpo on Jan 21, 2011 3:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, yeah , we’ll do and you sound like a Pack fan. And the other 2 backs are not really so much better than Forte right now. McCoy did almost nothing, so did Turner against the Pack, except Forte, all that with the Pack playing at a high level, like you said. I might as well be a homer, but I still like our running game against them.

by transylvanian bear on Jan 21, 2011 7:15 AM CST up reply actions  

The 1st game against the Falcons

Forte does bring a receiving threat unlike Turner which will be key when Cutler’s under pressure. If he throws a chip and then runs into some space he could do some damage.

And I’m not dismissing the Bears running game against the Pack. It will have some success against the Pack. The Bears best chance to win is through a successful run game. I’m just saying it’s been different the past two weeks b/c we added depth to our defensive line with Cullen Jenkins coming back (Didn’t play week 17).

I guess the biggest fear for most Bears fans is for the Bears to fall behind 10-12 points b/c your superior run game will likely disappear. It happened to the Falcons and things just snowballed out of control.

by alpo on Jan 21, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, the Falcons were down big early

takes the run out of the game when your QB throws two pick-sixes before halftime.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Jan 21, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Falcons were up

7 to nothing, then 14 to 7 very early

"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09

by PackaCracka on Jan 22, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No...

The Falcons were not down big early… They were up 14-7 with 11:50 to play in the 2nd (I’d debate that as being “very early,” PackaCracka…). Green Bay tied it with 6:50 to play in the 2nd, then in forty-two seconds at the end of the half got a James Jones TD and an INT TD.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 22, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference between Turner, McCoy and Forte is that the first two only got 10 and 12 touches respectively. Forte is guaranteed to get more than that. Even if the Packer come out and get a 14-0 lead, I don’t think Martz is going to shy away from the running game, because last time Forte was torching the Packers defense.

As to the 21st ranked offense, yeah. The Bears finished ranked 21. That includes three games – Giants, Panthers, Patriots – where the offense either didn’t show up or didn’t have a chance to show up. So they’re ranked 21st with basically 3 extra bye weeks.

But go ahead and let the stats blind you to what this offense is capable of. Hopefully Dom Capers will as well.

In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt

by LRT on Jan 21, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

My point is that if you look back at the 2010 season

You will see about every 4th week your defense gives up a fair amount of points. I can run down the season but I will let you do that yourself. Since NE where you gave up 31 points your D has been playing at a high level, this pattern is what leads me to believe there may be a let down. Do I know this for a fact, no. but to just some up the entire Packer 2010 defensive body of work as “great all season” isnt exactly accurate. If the GB defense was playing “great all season” why didn’t you win the division? Oh thats right, losing a bunch of games which isnt exactly “great all season”
have a nice day.

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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 21, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I felt our defense played great against New England also

If you saw the game one TD was the result of a Flynn pick 6 and a special teams gaff when a offensive line man almost ran it in for a touchdown. You guys haven’t lost any players of significance to injury but 2 loses were the result of IMO a Clay Matthews injury. Our defense held McNabb to under 100 yards in the 1st half, Clay got injured and didn’t play(it is still hard for me to believe one player can have the impact he has) McNabb ended up with like 250 in the 2nd half. Our whole team is different without him. He then missed the next game a loss to Miami. He has been much less than 100% up until 2 weeks ago. Also Cullen Jenkins just got back after missing the previous 5 games, another huge difference maker (7 sacks in 9 games), that’s besides all the players on injured reserve.

Imo our defense is at a different level than just 2 weeks ago, Jenkins being back and Matthews being healthier

by the yooper on Jan 21, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You'll have to go further back from the NE game for a bad game on the defense's part
SInce they lost to New England they have been playing at a very high level and eventually they should have a game where they are a step slower than usual.

I’m curious as to how exactly the defense played bad against New England. To what I recall, the Packers D was playing phenominal against Brady and NE. It’s too bad the ST is a joke and gave up a kick return to the 2 yard line (yeah, even I laughed at that one) and Matt Flynn had a pick 6.

The worst game the Packers had defensively would be against Detroit in Week 4. Shaun Hill kept escaping from the pocket and converting 3rd downs with his feet. This is something Martz can look at again for an idea in defeating Dom Capers. Otherwise, this defense has been lights out. Personally I find it incredible they are ranked #2 in points allowed considering how atrocious the Packers Special Teams Unit is.

It's certainly possible to hate and respect one team. In this case, it's the Bears. I respect them and their history, but hate them for how fricking lucky they are! I certainly hate the Vikings too. They are like the little yipping dog trying to play with the big dogs. They want to be relevant, but never are.

by Jabooty on Jan 21, 2011 4:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Great read bro

insightful and scholarly as always…

by BOBdaBEAR on Jan 20, 2011 9:12 PM CST reply actions  

Aromashodu?

Great read and insights. Can you further elaborate on how to use Aromoshadu? Can Davis be as effective as he was in the second matchup or was that just a case of him playing in place of a banged up Bennett?

by affiniakw on Jan 20, 2011 9:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I can elaborate

First have him actually in the lineup, then have him run a route and throw the ball to him. Its really not that complicated. All the talk about Martz and the doghouse and trouble picking up the system, all that should be meaningless this deep into the post season. If DA can get out there and catch a few balls and use his size to get it done so be it.

 I have been saying it all week in these forums, we need an entire team effort to get it done on Sunday. A win is doable but not if Forte, Olsen, and Bennett are the only guys getting it done on offense. Hester, Knox, DA, Davis, Rashied and Kellan, and Chester Taylor all need to be out there mixing it up.

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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 20, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

To add to Bears-Bulls Cubs

With Martz truly running more pick and stick stuff, why not create a package for Aromashadu. Some back shoulder stuff short and deep down field is one route you can run with him. He seems to also be good when Cutler is improvising, so some design roll outs would probably work.

I think Davis can be effective also especially in the slot, but that would mean Bennett, Knox, Hester, or Olsen would have to sub out for him. He can be effective but the other guys can give you more.

by Dominique Blanton on Jan 20, 2011 10:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

the interior line

Kreutz has to play at his best for this one, and in turn he must direct and help out his line mates…

"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."

by Maelvampyre on Jan 20, 2011 9:38 PM CST reply actions  

I feel the interior line is always key when facing a 3-4.

If the interior line performs well, it just lessens the pressure on the tackles, backs, and ends to pick up Blitzes. That interior line really got to have a solid game for us to be effective on offense.

by Dominique Blanton on Jan 20, 2011 11:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Very True

The key to every 3-4 is the NT. That’s the foundation of every 3-4 defense. Packer fans love to talk about what Charles Woodson and Clay Matthews do every week, but they wouldn’t be able to dominate without BJ Raji having such a stellar year. Personally, he’s just another Pro Bowl snub, but like all the other 3-4 NT’s (Hampton, Wilfork, etc), it’ll take a couple years for others to realize what he’s doing. Raji is good against the run, and very impressive in rushing the passer. He will command a double team, which opens things up for the D. Clay Matthews will rush inside or outside. Capers also does a lot of ILB crossing blitzes. Therefore, it really does start with the interior OL. Not only in pass protection, but run blocking as well. If you can run it up the gut, you will be in control. Easier said than done though….

It's certainly possible to hate and respect one team. In this case, it's the Bears. I respect them and their history, but hate them for how fricking lucky they are! I certainly hate the Vikings too. They are like the little yipping dog trying to play with the big dogs. They want to be relevant, but never are.

by Jabooty on Jan 21, 2011 4:58 AM CST up reply actions  

That’s all he does, blitz,blitz and blitz some more.

by transylvanian bear on Jan 21, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, duh!

That’s what 3-4 Defenses do. That’s the biggest asset of having a 3-4, because you can disguise your blitzes. Capers usually doesn’t exceed 5 guys though. Sometimes he’ll send 6, but usually it’s 4-5 guys going after the QB. In 3rd and Long, he’ll reduce it to 3.

It's certainly possible to hate and respect one team. In this case, it's the Bears. I respect them and their history, but hate them for how fricking lucky they are! I certainly hate the Vikings too. They are like the little yipping dog trying to play with the big dogs. They want to be relevant, but never are.

by Jabooty on Jan 21, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

another quality post

i also hope they know where woodson is at because a lot of those crazy blitzes seem to involve him sprinting unabated to #6.

i think webb might be a pleasant surprise this sunday as well. he has really improved his overall game in the past 3 months and hopefully he will help keep cutler upright as he passes the bears to a glorious victory.

by reefermadness3 on Jan 21, 2011 12:34 AM CST reply actions  

In the 1st half of the game in Lambeau Field this year

We had some success running the football. But then Martz seemed to abandon the run in the second half – and went back to his “pass happy” ways.

If we can get Forte outside, and Martz can create some mismatches to keep Green Bay off balance, then we should be able establish the run in this game.

If Forte can pick up 100 yards on the ground, then we should win this game.

by JimmyMack on Jan 21, 2011 5:15 AM CST reply actions  

Capers opened in nickle..

in the game at Lambeau. Raji and Pickett as the only linemen with Shields as the extra DB. After Forte had the 2 long runs, Capers went to more base with Raji, Green and Pickett.

I think Capers uses more base this time because Jenkins will play (he was inactive at Lambeau). Jenkins can get more pass rush than Green if the Bears decide to pass vs. the Packer base D. Green will rotate in some, but the key vs. the Capers D is to try and run vs. the nickel and pass vs the base successfully.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

When Woodson Blitzes

I believe you are correct – Capers is taking away that hot-route slant. We are definitely going to have to be a lot better prepared for this game, offensively.

All I can say is that I hope Cutler and Martz have been in that film room all week together – with a couple of cots and someone bringing them their meals.

by JimmyMack on Jan 21, 2011 5:29 AM CST reply actions  

I beleive if u roll Cutler out when it looks like they blitz

use a 3 wide or stack 2 using olsen and either knox/bennett and KD as a tight end and use crosing routes to attack.i would also say kepp CT/MF in the backfield use olsen as a h-back and Manu as a TE.split out KD use knox or hester for a slante or out.

by chiguy8506 on Jan 21, 2011 6:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I second this , I really like Davis out there catching passes. And wish they would use him more on LB and DB’s.

by transylvanian bear on Jan 21, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Defense edge to GB: I’d call it even on defense…although what GB did to Atlanta has them being the hotter team. We beat a bad offense; they throttled a great offense.

I’d give the edge to the Packers on offense.

Edge to us on ST, but that’s if they kick to Devin….and I doubt they will.

by footballhawk on Jan 21, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd hardly call Atlanta a great offense

They finished 16th in the league in total yards, 15th in passing yards, and 12th in rushing yards.

Middle of the pack.

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Better prepared

Of course we will be. I don’t think they even had a distinct game plan Week 17; the calls and looks were almost identical to the Week 3 match up, hence Green Bay’s ability to shut down the offense (outside of Forte).

That’s not going to happen this time.

In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt

by LRT on Jan 21, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

On a zone blitz

I’d like to see the Bears not run a slant route, but instead a stick route. Run between defenders that are zoning up and sit down for the pop pass

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

RUN THE BALL

I wanna see them run the ball early and often. I think Forte/Taylor can have a big game against the Packers.

Run the ball, control the clock, keep Aaron Rodgers on the sideline.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Jan 21, 2011 8:57 AM CST reply actions  

Yes

The less of Rodgers we see, the better our chances. Forte is the key.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Jan 21, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Solid stuff Nique

I agree with testing out Webb on Matthews… If he can maintain his balance after his hand punch he has the foot speed to stay in front of him

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 9:25 AM CST reply actions  

Great post

If Cutler can have a solid game and remain turnover free, its difficult to see a scenario in which the Bears lose this game.

by rdent4hof on Jan 21, 2011 9:37 AM CST reply actions  

If the Packer and Bears are turnover free big advantage Pack

Green Bay’s offense is much better, not to many would argue that. Defensively were better (wouldn’t say much better) statistics bear that. I’ll give you the special teams but the Packers won’t be stupid enough to let Hester beat them

by the yooper on Jan 21, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

MUCH better? Hardly.

Run the ball more than one game. Then you can talk. This Lions fan is not impressed with your offense, any more than any offense that relies on the arm of it’s QB all the time. The Bears have a proven running back who can consistently gain 4 yards a carry and has three times as many 20+ yard carries as your entire team.

Not too many people would argue that in the playoffs you’d better be able to run the ball and stop the run. The Packers can’t do half of that, therefore they are at a disadvantage.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Jan 21, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Who knew Lions fans were so smart?

well said…

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

We recognize quality football players

It’s not our fault our last GM couldn’t….

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Jan 21, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

this is funny!

You really aren’t trying to argue that a lower 3rd offense is nearly as good as a top 10 offense are you?

In the end, it doesn’t matter how you move the ball, as long as you can score. What the Packer offense happens to do best is exactly what the Bear defense has the hardest time defending. This is why McCarthy keeps saying that the actual success of the run game doesn’t matter much..it’s about the attempts, not the yds per carry.

I know its been a while since you’ve seen a playoff team call Detroit home, so I can understand the confusion.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I think where he is coming from is...

You have one dimension that you execute really really well.

We have two dimensions that we can execute very well.

And unless you’re going to argue that the Packer offense tried as hard as the Bears did in Week 17 (hint: not very), I’d say your offense was slowed down considerably in the middle of its hot streak.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 21, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I've heard alot of this folklore..

The Bears didnt try hard blah, blah, blah.

Really? What if Cutler had got hurt in that game? Would you then have said, well our guys didn’t try hard..?

I can understand the sheme may have been vanilla, but do you really think Martz is going to dial up a bunch of things Capers hasn’t seen? Maybe 1 or 2 plays break tendency, but an etirely different gameplan? I doubt it.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Did I say any of this?

, but do you really think Martz is going to dial up a bunch of things Capers hasn’t seen? Maybe 1 or 2 plays break tendency, but an etirely different gameplan? I doubt it.

No?

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 21, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

So I guess you think the Bears offense “didn’t try hard”..

or am I confused?

My point is that offenses can be successful regardless of their yds/carry average in the running game.

I don’t really know what you are trying to say..The Lion fan was saying you need to be able to run the ball and stop the run and refernced yds/carry. I am saying yds/carry isn’t going to tell you much if your opponent cant stop the pass.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That *is* the game plan, silly.
I am saying yds/carry isn’t going to tell you much if your opponent cant stop the pass.

Lovie’s game plan has always been:
1. Run the ball on offense – eat up clock time
2. Stop the other’s teams run game
3. Give them underneath passes all day, while playing for punts, sacks, INTs, and fumbles (forced or otherwise)

If the Bears can get their 4 yd/carry, we have already stopped the Packers’ offense – they won’t get on the field. And if the Bears can dominate the time of possession, it’ll make the job of the defense that much easier. While it may or not be a coincidence that three of the four teams left have solid running games, it sure does help.

by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 21, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

that will work..

IF you get the turnovers/special teams advantage etc.

But this is a different argument.. The Lion fan said he was unimpressed because the Packers didnt get 4 yds/carry.

I am saying your yds/carry has little to do with how well your offense is performing if your opponent doesnt stop your pass.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You think the Bears cannot stop the pass in long down/distance situations?

That would be funny.

If you can’t run the ball, then you’re setting yourself up for a continuous round of 3rd and longs that will inevitably lead to failure. That’s simple logic and well proven out by NFL history. In the first game against the Lions, the Packers ran the ball well (4.4/carry) and scored three first half touchdowns. In the second game, the inability to run the ball well (3.3/carry) doomed them to relying on their backup to win the game Rodgers style.

Run the ball, stop the run, avoid turnovers – this is how you win playoff games. Well, unless you’re the Packers, in which case, two out of three ain’t bad.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Jan 22, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

those two offenses looked real close

ya right

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 23, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

They didn't run the ball enough

And when the Packers were in third and long, they couldn’t move the ball either, just like I said. You ended up with a big 14 points, whee. I repeat, not impressed.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Jan 23, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Incorrect.

I never said what I think.

You are very confused. I don’t think even you know what your point is.

NobodySpecial’s main point is that your offense is extremely one-dimensional, whereas the Bears have the second dimension – rushing the football. All that I said was the same thing, you have one dimension that you use to do everything and the Bears can hurt you both ways.

The other thing I said is quote: “And unless you’re going to argue that the Packer offense tried as hard as the Bears did in Week 17 (hint: not very), I’d say your offense was slowed down considerably in the middle of its hot streak.” What I meant by that is that your offense is still able to be stopped, and was, in a game that we didn’t care about and you had every reason to care – and you still only put up ten points? So unless your invincible offense played as vanilla as ours did (ha, and why would you?), your offense had a bad game/got stopped. No shame, it happens. Stop deflecting the argument by bringing up Martz’s gameplan. I’m discussing your offense.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 21, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

what confused me was the not trying comment..

My point is very clear, I’ll state it again…you can have a very effective offense regardless of your yds/carry. I don’t know how to state it any clearer.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And I agree with that.

I never said I did not.

By the way, I have to point out… The offensive ranks are measured by yards, right? It’s harder to get yards starting at the 40. I guess our 23 pts per game since the bye doesn’t mean anything, huh? :)

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 21, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

points can also be scored by special teams and defense..

has your offense averaged 23 points? or the team?

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Just calculated...

Since the bye including playoffs, the team has averaged 24.3 pts per game (10 games).

That includes one special teams TD (record breaker). The other two Hester TDs were pre-bye, and DJ Moore’s pick six was also pre-bye. Remove the Record Breaker and that drops to 23.6 points per game.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 21, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Lawyered.

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by Kev H on Jan 21, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Accountanted.

Lawyer is the other side of the family, Kev.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 21, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

And served.

For you waitstaff like people.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 21, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

i piss

in your coffee ;)

"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09

by PackaCracka on Jan 22, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well congrats..

Again, if your offense can put up 24 points Sunday, you stand a good chance of winning.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Week 17 was a poor performance by the offense yes.

And if the Bears can do it again Sunday, they have a good chance of winning

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, and it's not like something like that happened last year right?

It’s not like any team would ever try to disguise their playbook on the last game of the season in case they meet up with that team in the playoffs. And if any team was silly enough to do that, it surely wouldn’t work, right?

Week 17) Packers- 33 Arizona- 7

Wildcard Round) Packers- 45 Arizona- 51

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jan 22, 2011 4:12 AM CST up reply actions  

psst...

you’re arguing with a Packer fan…

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

did you watch the Packer/A

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I missed the Packer/A

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahhaha

this made me luol deng a bit

by reefermadness3 on Jan 22, 2011 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

did you watch the Packer/Falcon game?

The Packer yd/carry was barely over 3. The game was pretty much decided by mid 3rd quarter.

By the way, many Bear fans are pointing to the Falcon game as evidence Starks isn’t very good. I’ll take a final score like that again thanks.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Not all of it

Starks may or may not be good. I don’t think anyone could know that yet with his limited number of carries in the NFL.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

The game was also decided

by the Falcons literally giving the ball to the Packers. A pick six at the end of the half when you’re in field goal range?

If anything has been proven, Cutler’s tendency to do those things has been reduced significantly, and it’s not something the Packers can count on. Everyone in the Georgia dome knew that WIlliams’ pick-6 was going to Roddy White—he’s the only one Ryan targets for those things.

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by Kev H on Jan 21, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

except in week 17..

when of course you didn’t game plan..

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that I never mentioned that.

But thanks for putting words in my mouth. I appreciate it.

Your point seemed to be that you didn’t need to run the ball, b/c you’d dominated the Falcons offensively anyways. My point was that the Falcons were able to play their overall worst game at the exact wrong time.

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by Kev H on Jan 21, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Kev, Kev, Kev, Kev, Kev!

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Just wanted to make you aware that this wasn't real accurate..

“Cutler’s tendency to do those things has been reduced significantly, "

“My point was that the Falcons were able to play their overall worst game at the exact wrong time.”

This doesn’t change the fact that the Packers didnt need to average 4 yds/carry as was suggested.

I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005

by White92 on Jan 21, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

the Packer run game is the best!

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 22, 2011 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Go over the past 8 weeks...

This team, like your team, is a very different team then it was at the beginning of the season. Yes, throughout the entire year, we’re a bottom third team, but over the past 8 weeks? Top half.

Which is more important? What we did at the beginning of the season, or what we are doing now?

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 21, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

the yooper
I’ll give you the special teams

I didn’t ask you to give me anything.

If the Packer and Bears are turnover free big advantage Pack

Not sure how that would be a big advantage for the packers? However you did do a good job saying the packers are better than the Bears, with no argument to back up your statement.

by rdent4hof on Jan 22, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

If Tommie Harris....

plays up to his potential; we will dominate the line of scrimmage defensively and win the game. Packers are not going to be able to stop our run game. Everyone knows that the a good run game in the playoffs holds a psychological advantage over the team that does not have it. This is due to time of possession and making the defense cheat up due to the run game in which will cause more throwing windows for the QB, which will result in less turnovers. The turnover margin will be in our favor if Tommie Harris plays well. We all know that JP is going to dominate. This is the type of game that JP relishes.

BEARS – 31 – 17; BEAR DOWN!

by Mandingo54 on Jan 22, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting comments

If Cutler can have a solid game and remain turnover free? He knows the turf at Soldier field better than anyone, spent a better portion of the two games against GB lying face-down on it. The offensive line needs to find a way to protect him or it’s going to be a long day for Jay.

Our worst nightmare is the Bears fallng behind early. That’ll lead to Cutler interceptions and GB points after the turn-overs. I have a sick feeling about this one.

by footballhawk on Jan 21, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

Huh?
He knows the turf at Soldier field better than anyone, spent a better portion of the two games against GB lying face-down on it.

I could have sworn that week 17 game was in Wisconsin…

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 21, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

No kidding.

You would think the Packers would be mad the Bears were getting two home games in the regular season/

Well, at least the Bears are getting two home games overall…

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by Kev H on Jan 21, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Penalties

The officiating crew is not going to handle out penalties on the Pack like they had a quota in the first game. GB is much-improved in this area. We didn’t beat GB, they beat themselves. We need to show up to win this one.

I am worried about our D-backs getting penalized. There will be some interference calls against us…not that any of them come at a good time, but I hope they don’t come at the worst possible moments to sustain long drives.

by footballhawk on Jan 21, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe

if the Green Bay offensive line could have recognized Julius Peppers and not jump in fear or hold to prevent a sack of Aaron Rodgers, that number of flags would have at least been halved.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 21, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

it is the same ref from week 3.

by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 21, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't say that for certain

A line’s worst tendencies tend to come out under pressure. If the Bears get to Rodgers early and often, you’ll see a lot of the holds and false starts come back in full force.

Same going the opposite way.

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by Kev H on Jan 21, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

They key in this game will be are ability to run the ball.........

Keep the ball out of Cutlers and Rodgers hands….Let our Defense do are thing and Special teams win their battles and we will win…Now, when we do throw the ball.Cutler needs to Read the Hott reads perfectly……I expect Martz to do the same thing he did in Dallas……A ton of short effective passes…..to Either Olsen or Bennett…..

There's no substitute for guts.
-Paul Bear Bryant

by I love football! on Jan 21, 2011 1:08 PM CST reply actions  

yessir

i share #80’s belief that he will have a huge game on sunday and think he has the best chance out of the wr corps of beating press coverage on blitzes.

by reefermadness3 on Jan 22, 2011 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Key to defeating Dom Capers...

Play in Houston?

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jan 22, 2011 4:14 AM CST reply actions  

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