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Words Of Wisdom From Trent, Deion, and MJD


   I was not intending to post anything, but the comments being made are starting to get to me. Hearing the stupidity coming from regular fans, particularly fans of other teams, is one thing, but coming from players and former players is just too much.

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     Let's start with Maurice Jones-Drew, who had this to say: "All I'm saying is that he can finish the game on a hurt knee ... I played the whole season on one." Except you didn't, Maurice. Your team was is a prime position to make the playoffs this year. Then you dropped your last three games, including a home game against the powerhouse Redskins, lead by Rex Grossman. Oh, and you sat out the last two games because you were hurt.

    Moving on to Deion Sanders, we heard gems like "Im telling u in the playoffs u must drag me off the field. All the medicine in pro lockerooms this dude comes out! I apologize bear fans! . . . Folks i never question a players injury but i do question a players heart." Ya know Deion, I bet Carlton Fisk might have something to say about that. Looking at your career stats Deion, there were exactly four seasons where you played in a full 16 games, and one of those was your last year with Baltimore when you weren't even starting. You spent your entire career chasing dollar signs and personal glory, but you have the balls to talk about how you always played for the fans. Piss off. You were a damn good corner. You were fast as hell (though not as fast as Wille Gault), and you were incredible in coverage. You also played like a p*ssy, and everyone knew it. If you can find ten clips from your pro career of you making an aggressive, honest to god wrap-em-up and drive-em-down tackle, I'll print out this post, cover it with wing sauce, and fry it up for dinner.

   And now on to everyone's favorite former QB, Trent Dilfer. I'm not able to give a specific quote from Dilfer due to some firewall issues, but it was pretty similar to the rest of the comments being made, questioning Cutler's heart and flaunting the typical "If that was me out there..." b.s. that former players love to trot out. Like so many others, Trent seems to forget his own history. Much like Sanders, Dilfer had exactly four seasons where he played the full schedule, so maybe he's not quite the warrior he remembers himself as being.       ---I've since found this quote: "You can play this position (QB) hurt," Dilfer said on ESPN. "Some of us have." I guess Trent never left a game or missed any part of the season with an MCL injury...

   It doesn't pertain to the current situation, but since Dilfer is so fond of trashing Cutler, I'd like to throw this out there. 1995 was Dilfer's first year as a full-time starter. After playing a full season, starting all 16 games, Dilfer ended with this amazing stat-line: 4 TD's, 18 INTS, 47 sacks, 60.1 passer rating. No, that's not a typo. He threw for FOUR TD's while starting an entire season!!! In his first five years, four of which he started the full slate of games, he never cracked 60 passing TD's. He also has the honor of being considered the worst QB to ever "win" a Super Bowl. He was cut following that season. Yet he actively trashes players who play better accidentally than he ever did on purpose.

   My favorite Yahoo! columnist, Les Carpenter, also felt the need to chime in. In this brilliant piece of, uhh, writing, he claims that not only did Cutler not look hurt, but that he didn't even limp. The only way he could have not seen him limping was if he didn't bother to watch the game. Considering the usual quality of his work, I'd say that's quite possible.

    Was it disheartening seeing our starting QB sitting on the sideline? Of course it was. Does he act like a surly 15 year old at times? Yup. But to question his toughness is just ridiculous. Cutler has had his ass beaten senseless for the last 20 weeks. The only time he came out was after being severely concussed, due to the nine sacks he took in the first half of the Giants game in week 4. To think that he would play through all the shots that he's taken only to quit on the cusp of an NFC championship is asinine. Cutler is a scrambling quarterback playing behind a problematic offensive line, to put it politely. If he has legitimate MCL damage, he would have been a sitting duck lined up under center.

   One final thought to wrap this up; does anyone really think that the rest of the team, and I'm think specifically of Brian Urlacher, wouldn't have been all over him if he thought he wasn't really hurt? Be careful not to hurt yourselves jumping off the bandwagon, folks. I'm sure we'll see you all again the next time the Bears put together a few good games.

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Perfect post homie !!!

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 24, 2011 1:13 AM CST reply actions  

Great write up

I hope Jay can keep ignoring all this media bs and just continues to do his thing.

You're never a loser until you quit trying - MIke Ditka

by DutchBear on Jan 24, 2011 3:25 AM CST reply actions  

Very nice

I was furiously arguing with a friend of mine all last night about this same thing.

Chicago fan stuck in Florida.
RIP Ron Santo

by alkappy on Jan 24, 2011 7:44 AM CST reply actions  

I'd like to see

someone bring these points up to these players and ex-players. That’s one horrible stat line Dilfer.

My only question is: why wouldn’t the Bears coaches let him out there for a play or two to decide if it was a lost cause or not? Or was Cutler already hurt coming out of halftime…I don’t believe he was.

"The problem isn't that people aren't smart, it's that some folks have an attention span of about seven days. Look at the broader picture and you'll always be smarter." - Bill Barnwell of F.O. on why the media picks playoff winners on Monday.

by propheteer on Jan 24, 2011 8:17 AM CST reply actions  

He did

they tested it for a series

"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..

by tfrabotta on Jan 24, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jan 24, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

nice write up

Especially about Deion.. Man that guy was a serious pansy..

If you can find ten clips from your pro career of you making an aggressive, honest to god wrap-em-up and drive-em-down tackle, I’ll print out this post, wrap it around a football, and forcibly sodomize myself with it.

As for Cutlers knee injury I just hope he gets better and can continue to improve his play. Just look at what happened to QB’s like Culpepper or Palmer after they got injured…

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 24, 2011 8:30 AM CST reply actions  

They tore their whole knee (multiple ligaments)

Jay only partial tore one ligament. He’ll be just fine.

"The problem isn't that people aren't smart, it's that some folks have an attention span of about seven days. Look at the broader picture and you'll always be smarter." - Bill Barnwell of F.O. on why the media picks playoff winners on Monday.

by propheteer on Jan 24, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

All the fans I watched the game with

were calling Jay a wuss…yet none of them have ever had knee injuries…I have…when your ACL is damaged (torn or totally gone like mine was…you can walk just fine after it happens, but running is hard and you CAN NOT sidestep at all…the surgeons that repaired my knee told me that if you tear your ACL you can run in a straight line all day, but as soon as you step to the left or right, your knee gives and then it swells, which happened to me a lot before I had the surgery.

"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10

by ThorCo on Jan 24, 2011 8:41 AM CST reply actions  

THIS

I tore my ACL too, I didn’t limp, didn’t use crutches until after my surgery…BUT I can’t imagine dodging 300 + lbs dudes, planting on that leg, running…anything that Jay would have to do with our crappy O-Line.

The issue isn’t movement, it’s stability, which some people will never get. It’s really easy to offer criticism watching a game.

by BigAppleBearsFan on Jan 24, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

The people that bitch about Cutler being surly

were the same ones that used to bitch about Erik Kramer on the sidelines that he was laughing and joking around and that he wasn’t taking it serious enough. People just love to bitch..

"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..

by tfrabotta on Jan 24, 2011 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

Good read!

The ironic part to me is that Hanie came in and produced when Jay could not, injury or no.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by Pete Dixon on Jan 24, 2011 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

They stopped blitzing..

Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...

by Syndor on Jan 24, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Um, maybe

and I’m really happy with how Hanie played, but the dude did throw two picks, one of them a pick-6.

I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus

by iowaBear on Jan 24, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

True!

Capers faked him out by dropping Raji into coverage. The second one basically desperation/end of game.

"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith

by Pete Dixon on Jan 24, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

It's sad that Chicago has been absent of good QBs for so long that when we have one

everyone is still ready to throw him under the bus, running out of town, etc. Jay has a very bright future in Chicago and I think that we will see it if we can put this behind us, get Jay healthy and get him a couple missing pieces this off season.

I will never question Jay’s leadership as long as guys like Chris Harris, Olin Kreutz and Urlacher are defending him. The latter 2 of those 3 have been with the team since I first got into watching the Bears. I have a TON of respect for them and I know that they are held in a high regard league-wide as well. Kreutz said he could see Jay’s like shaking. You can’t say he didn’t try.

Donovan McNabb didn’t get this lambasted when he puked in the Super Bowl. Everyone shut up. Jay Cutler is tough and if THIS leads you to turn on the Bears, newsflash, you were never a fan.

"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."

"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010

by Sam Householder on Jan 24, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

Great write up!

I’m one of those who isn’t sold on Cutler ever being the QB we hoped he would be when they traded for him, but I would never question his toughness or the decision to take him out of the game after an injury. He has done nothing to warrant anyone questioning that part of his game or personality in the two years he’s been here.

I’d like to see him make more progress next season, assuming there are no coaching changes, and convince me that he has the mental makeup to be a championship QB. That has nothing to do with his injury yesterday, it’s more about his decision making and stepping up his play in big games.

Great calls, though, on Deion (overrated player in my opinion) and Dilfer (not even a decent player in my opinion). They both are morons.

by BearFan611 on Jan 24, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Cowboys fan

feel compelled to comment on Cutler and anatomy.

the early report is that Cutler had a torn MCL. The MCL and the LCL are the ligaments on the outside of the knee. In terms of mechanical function (at least my understanding), the MCL and LCL are much more important than the ACL/PCL. It’s possible to walk around on a torn ACL. You can even play football on it (in fact I played HS football with a torn ACL).

It’s not possible to do that with a torn MCL.

I think people are confused because a torn ACL is considered a more serious injury. But that’s only because there’s no blood flow to the ACL so it doesn’t heal itself. You have to have it replaced with a graft. Hence an ACL reconstruction. The existing ACL is completely drilled out and replaced with a graft. That results in 12 month recovery.

The MCL does have blood flowing to it so it can heal itself. The recovery is much shorter. So it’s considered a less severe injury … but from a functional perspective a torn MCL is a much bigger mechanical problem.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 24, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Too bad we don't have Dilfer's comments

He was on Cowherd today and backtracked, and said almost exactly what you did about being hammered behind a line all year and not saying anything.

Being Who You Thought We Were Since 2005!

by Adam T on Jan 24, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

I felt kind of stupid talking about it without being able to use an actual quote,

but the firewalls at work severely limit what I can pull up. I couldn’t find a transcript, and all the video was blocked. I’m at home now, but I still can’t find it. I’m almost positive I saw negative comments from him yesterday (might have been from Twitter), but I’m gonna feel like an ass if it was actually someone else.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jan 24, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

He said you couldn't question Cutler's toughness, but his mentality

In explaining that, Dilfer said, “I wanted to see Jay try to run out on the field, after he was told not to. And maybe have a trainer or someone grab him by the jersey and yank him off the field.”

This isn’t an exact quote, but its pretty damn close.

by rdent4hof on Jan 25, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard that.. I'd like to know exactly when that ever happened with anyone.

Was he supposed to do it just for show? So the Dilfer’s and the Sander’s and all those other assclowns could sit back and say, Oh he’s a really gutsy competitor and you can never question his desire to be on the field, give me a break if it’s not one thing than it would be something else. They should be forced to answer for why they jumped to such an extreme anyway. For them to come on air and immediatly blast him like that with no facts just shows me what type of people they really are. Although I kinda already knew anyway.

Adrian Pedestrian!! Now that's funny Mr. Bayless...

by Syndor on Jan 25, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Then maybe he could have dropped to the ground and thrown a tantrum, too.
“You can play this position (QB) hurt,” Dilfer said on ESPN. “Some of us have.”

This is the quote I was referring to originally in the post. I finally found it and added it up top.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jan 27, 2011 5:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Merrill Hodge

called the players critizing Jay on Tweeter about leaving the game due to injury

unprofessional and unfair

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 24, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

Wow.

To think I used to have some respect for Mojo and Primetime.

We can build a new tomorrow, today

by daffodil on Jan 24, 2011 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

I've always liked MJD,

especially after he laid out Merriman, but his comments were ridiculous. Apparently he has a really short memory, because it’s only been a month since he sat out.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jan 24, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

All of Carpenter's write up about the Bears have been terrible,

and when the chance came, he pounces. Joke that yahoo has him as a writer

by braziliancubsfan on Jan 24, 2011 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Nutrition labels are more interesting to read than he is.

Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."

The Face of the Chicago Cubs.

by Ryno Runner on Jan 24, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Not just his Bears articles.

Almost everything I’ve seen from him has been bad. A lot of pompousness and fake outrage. Either that, or he gets outraged easily.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jan 24, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Awsome job!

BEAR DOWN CHICAGO BEARS!!!

Erik Duerrwaecter

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 24, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

I grew up loving and idolizing Deion Sanders

But for a guy who backed Mcnabb and who will take shots and Jay Cutler even when Cutler peformed Marvelously? No Thank You, Deion Sanders you lost a fan.

Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.

by Bear Lovin 21 on Jan 24, 2011 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

Softest Player in NFL history has a comment about being tough

that is funny..

"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..

by tfrabotta on Jan 25, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's what I don't get

Where in the HELL do any of these players, who, as Urlacher said, are sitting on their asses watching a team other than theirs play in the title game, get off commenting at all about Cutler?? I mean, what makes Dockett or Drew think I give a rat’s ass what they think? STFU.

No one knew the full story until today, so anyone with a brain and an ounce of professional respect would keep their mouths shut. And even then, who still cares what they freaking think? I sure hope Jones Drew comes across the middle against the Bears some time soon. Hopefully Urlacher will show him what it’s like to have to play hurt after that.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jan 24, 2011 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

Great Post!

I’m most upset about Trent Dilfer. Most TV talking heads don’t bother me, and I cut former players some slack, but throughout this season (and others) I’ve been infuriated by Trent Dilfer. For someone who was such an awful player, the butt of the joke when the Ravens won the Super Bowl, he sure likes to tell you how much Jay (and others) can’t cut it. Whats worse is that he often brings up his own “experience” as if he were Dan Marino relating to you how a Hall of Famer does it.

"Smells like burning hair and week-old Arby’s." - the stench of Steve Finley

by BBANGUS on Jan 25, 2011 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

The guy was freakin terrible.

It’s one thing for an ex-player to act as an analyst, no matter how good they actually were as a player; you can be a great analyst or coach without being a good player. But to use your position to just run your mouth about people is pathetic. Eventually one of these guys are gonna get the living piss beaten out of them when they shoot their mouth off in the wrong location, not realizing that one of the players is around.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Jan 27, 2011 5:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Growing up in my house

We always joked that Deion was out with a broken fingernail or a stubbed toe. In my eyes Deion has no room to talk on the toughness issue. The dude was consistently one of the least toughest players in the league.

"I feel like the pieces are in place. But we have to execute...It's about execution. You have to execute. You have to have a scheme that facilitates the strengths of your players. If it doesn't, then it's a bad scheme. It's that simple. So we feel real good about the parts in place on offense."

"We feel very good about this football team. We felt very good about our football teams in the past and it's no different. You've got to go out there and you've got to do it."
-Jerry Angelo, Aug. 2, 2010

by Sam Householder on Jan 25, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

great post!

I love the people who criticized our o line all year were the same ones saying jay should have played through it. You don’t put a guy who can’t move behind that o line.

"I always tell people I want to live to be 150 and they say why would you want to do that. I say, well there's a few people I haven't made mad yet, I want to get them. "
-Mike Ditka

by garyfencikrapping on Jan 25, 2011 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

Nice Post, JerBear
But to question his toughness is just ridiculous. Cutler has had his ass beaten senseless for the last 20 weeks. The only time he came out was after being severely concussed, due to the nine sacks he took in the first half of the Giants game in week 4.

Agreed 100%

by JimmyMack on Jan 27, 2011 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

Dilfer

I’ve been saying all along,Dilfer is a rag. he never was even a good backup much less a starter. he was out of any game where he got as much as a hangnail. what a piss ant. He got a lot of nerve to question Cutler’s toughness. I know he’s over paid as an NFL analyst. He should start by analyzing his own career as a player.

by ArthurAZ on Jan 31, 2011 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

Dilfer Again?

Jerbear50,
You were right about Dilfer’s comments about Cutler. Of the ESPN analyzers,he was the worst critic. I’ve been a football fan for over 55 years,so I know a lousy player when I see one. Dilfer fits that role. He knows about quitters because he was one. But he knows nothing about courage because he had none. It’s easy at the end of your career to judge someone you would have played 4th behind. Tim Collins had a better record than Dilfer. Keep up the good work. Jerbear50,not Dilfer.

by ArthurAZ on Jan 31, 2011 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

Nicely said, especially about the Dilfous.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
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by Spongie on Feb 3, 2011 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

Where the hell have you been, Spongie?

Really long Dr Who marathon?

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Feb 5, 2011 3:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Partly staying away from all things NFL in the wake of the latest brouhaha over Jay Cutler – I’m pretty disgusted by the sheer idiocy on show, to be frank. It’s also the start of the rugby Six Nations and I’ve been catching up on all the rugby news that I’ve neglected while the Bears were still in the running.

Gawd, I hate Dilfer.

"44 years of football history and nothing to show for it. I wish I wasn’t banned at the Norseman.." - tfrabotta
"Fellas, what are they, unblockable? Is that the '85 Bears over there?" - Tom Coughlin, Giants '06 training camp
~~~ Check my profile for links for SB20 and America's Game: '85 Bears ~~~

by Spongie on Feb 5, 2011 6:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't blame you.

That was my intention originally, but then I got pissed and ended up posting this.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Feb 6, 2011 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I had been neglecting WCG myself of late. For the same reasons.

But with Dent finally getting in, I feel like posting a +95 or Congrats Richard Dent! on every comment. lol

by rdent4hof on Feb 6, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

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