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For starters fire the Coaches and trade Jay Cutler!!! (Part 2)

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For (Part 1) of the gospel according to Da Meatball Kid click here, and that link will pop like Jay Cutler's MCL!!!  LOL!!!  QUITTER!!!

First off to answer your most pressing question, YES!!!  I did win my WoW tournament!!!  I'm kind of a big deal in that realm as well!  And now to the matter at hand.  Take the jump and I'll give you the rest of the TRUTH!!!

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And those stupid coaches!!!  It's time to move on!  I want my coach to spit when he screams and to spew some cussing at the players!  Some one with the fire and the passion, not some robot like Lovie Smith!  I don't give a damn if the players like or respect their coach, I hated my coach in highschool, that's what these pampered primadonna athletes need.  Someone to get in their face and tell them like it is!  It's not to late to hire Mike Singletary on as Head Coach.  Get a guy in here that won't put up with any BS and someone that will kick some butt!!!

I know the Bears ended up running the ball more as the season went on, but Mike Martz is gonna go back to his stupid 7 step drop ways next year, I just know it!  Pink slip him and bring in a run the ball down your throat type coordinator.

And get a defensive coordinator in here that will BLITZ!!!  Back in highschool we ran a 4-4 stack defense and we blitzed on every play!  Teams hated playing us, we may not have won much but teams knew they were in a game after beating us.

It's time to scrap the entire enchilada and rebuild!   I know I can do a better job than Jerry Angelo!  The last 7 years straight I've finished in the top 5 each year in my fantasy league.  And on Madden I always rebuild the Bears into a Juggernaut on franchise mode!  If I can be that good in those two team building simulations, imagine what I could do with the money and resources of a pro team!!!  Maybe bring on Mike Ditka as an adviser to oversee football operations, then I'd be unstoppable!!!

Truth has been told, you fools have been schooled!!!  And you scrubs will never see me around here again, I gotta gig writing at Bleacher Report!!!  C-YA!!!  Da Meatball Kid is out!!!

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LOL !! Thats some funny stuff !

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 25, 2011 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

Wow. Funny. Good job.

WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!

by Acreman20 on Jan 25, 2011 7:07 PM CST reply actions  

Love these...

Not only are they funny, but they’re like a pre-emptive strike against all the really stupid reactionary posts and comments that people would have stooped to if you didn’t point out how freaking dumb those comments are.

by DisCUBbobulated on Jan 25, 2011 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

Polk High

Are you Al Bundy?

by joeybal56 on Jan 25, 2011 7:20 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Wow

Did you not know? This is satire

Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.

by suckmyditka on Jan 25, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It would have been better had we all rec'ed him.

So I will. Savor the irony…. SAVOR IT!!!!!

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jan 25, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and what the hell is lossing anyway?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jan 25, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It's like Flossing

but with a little spice

Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.

by suckmyditka on Jan 26, 2011 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

What is this satire of which you speak?

Do you mean he should retire (as in quit) but do it in the perfect tense?

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jan 25, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Your sense of humor needs work

as well as your ability to perceive sarcasm font.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 25, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

thats nothing

we ran a 1-1-9 at my school, we keep getting burned deep so we went wiith the uno-uno-niner as my coaches called it. By god any time the other team heaved one up and we had the personnel to deal with it. Only downside was we gave up 70 yards a carry but you make an omelet you break a few eggs.

White Sox fans need not apply.

by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 25, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

Did you have to count to 5 before you blitzed?

Now if you flipped your d it would be 9-1-1. SCARY defense!!!!

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Jan 26, 2011 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

When I coached in High School

I was the Head Sophomore coach and the Varsity had a 9 man front that I had to run on occasion… I think it was called “Boulder”

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

can someone please bring e-rabs up to speed…

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Read below.

Now then, I’ve caught you up to speed.

by Dane Noble on Jan 26, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

oh....

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

BOOM!!!

When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow

by Ditkavsworld on Jan 26, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Lovie Smith’s primary goal was to beat the Packers. Just how many games have they played and how many of those have the Bears won. I believe Lovie Smith failed to make his goal and has worn out his welcome. If Cutler had some coaching he might be okay, but I worry about his diabetic condition. Diabetes can make a person Jekyll and Hyde-like. Maybe he is damaged good, but he does have a heck of an arm. Maybe he could share the duties with Hanie or someone else if coached the right way. I do not see the Bears making the most of their personnel and that is a coaching problem. How many draft choices were wasted in recent years. Look what Ditka did with what he had. He made them Monsters. Right now I see very little player development. Someone has to show these players what to do to become better.

by ChiBoy on Jan 25, 2011 10:11 PM CST reply actions  

Actually the Monsters of the Midway dates back to the 40s Bear teams

and I assume U are being saracastic here with this post as per the theme of the thread. If not please continue with your analysis, I find it quite enlightening.

White Sox fans need not apply.

by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 25, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow....

I’m disappointed in you Les. No sarcasm here.

You managed to use a cheap sarcastic couple of posts to try to discredit via ridicule any decent. Not what I expected for you or WCG.

And, for the record, I agree with you, when we speak seriously on all of your points here.

Cutler did a good job this year, and I have defended him as much as anyone. Lovie earned some leeway, but ridiculing people who are tired of mediocrity (and seeing the playoffs one time in the last 4 years is mediocre, not to mention the incredible amounts of inconsistency out of the Chicago Bears since 2004) and who, in many if not most cases, have held the belief that Smith should be let go for far longer than one poor playoff outing is below you. It comes off more childish than enlightened and more snide than funny, feeling like an attempt to shut up the opposing viewpoint through mocking caricature.

I actually found this more offensive than most of the comments here than have gotten people banned because this was ridicule of a decent sized portion of WCGs membership by a member of the staff.

And members and staff may feel free to hammer me for this comment all they wish, but this post didn’t make me mad, it disappointed me. How can we have a site with an honest and free flow of ideas when we have one of the most respected members of the staff posting front page satirization of, judging by just the poll that also graces the front page of this site measuring whether members here approve or disapprove of Lovie Smith, possibly 40% of the membership?

Maybe I’m missing something here, and if I am, let me apologize. But I honestly feel that, if I have this right, this kind of intellectual bullying is a disservice to the idea I thought set this site apart from the rest.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2011 12:47 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Sorry.....

should have read “discredit via dissent” not “decent”…..

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

No, I don't think that's what he did, Train...

I mean, I think he hit all the points that we see around here, and you’re right, he does sarcastify them… but haven’t we always descended on people that use these arguments (It worked in Madden! My fantasy team is awesome!) or bring nothing in logic or evidence to the table like vultures?

If someone wants to use these arguments to have a conversation, but actually converses, or brings stats or information to back it up, there’s usually never been an issue. And we definitely have our share of negative posters here (How long has LostinSTL been saying Lovie needs to go?). I don’t think Les’ shot is at them.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 26, 2011 7:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't believe....

that that was what he intended to do. But it certainly has that feel to it. It also has that feel of being no better than the juvenile posters this is apparently making fun of. I asked Dane below, and I’ll ask you the same; How was this any better than that?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2011 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say it's about being "better."

I’ll admit, it gave me a little pause when I saw part one, and I first saw part two yesterday in my networking class, and I had to look around nervously to make sure no one thought I was logged onto FireJerryAngelo.com. ;) Just kidding, big guy.

As I said, I don’t think it’s the subject matter he was digging at. I think it was the manner in which the general “meatball” arguments are constructed: Loud noises! Exclamation points!!!!!! Lack of facts and hey, screw you, I know what I’m talking about, I’m awesome at Madden! That’s the part I think is being driven away here. That’s not a banishing of negative arguments in general.

I think it’s about recognizing that we here at WCG tend to be and are better than that. So if he can’t poke fun at the “meatballs” via this medium… does this mean he shouldn’t have introduced the Superfans to the site, which glorifies the complete opposite end of the spectrum in optimism and love of everything Bears? How about the seemingly endless reccing of anything that has the hint of the word Ditka in it?

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 26, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So what I said, only better.

And I’d be reccing this if not for the limitations of mobile technology.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 26, 2011 7:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

What kind of phone do you have??

Mine lets me rec stuff.

When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow

by Ditkavsworld on Jan 26, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

iPhone.

If I want to rec something, I have to go to full-site mode and let the thing move at snails’ pace.

Since I’m back at a PC now though, recced it.

by Steven Schweickert on Jan 26, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah I see. Well on my Hero Android ran phone i can do it

in the mobile view as well.

When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow

by Ditkavsworld on Jan 26, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

And I think you missed something as well, Dane.....

Look, I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Exactly the opposite. Let me make my point like this…….

And then imagine waking up and coming to WCG, and seeing all of the juvenile garbage, all-caps lock, lack of sentence structure, stupid stupidness all over our comment threads, and multiple FanPosts written in the same manner.

That is exactly what i came home from work to see last night, right there on the front page of WCG. I understand your point. But tell me, please, how this made that better? Tell me how this wasn’t exactly what you described.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2011 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Because this is satire,

versus the actual garbage that we have had to clean up from cluttering the site.

by Dane Noble on Jan 26, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

To expand....
We have a very high standard of excellence here, and have built our community on a foundation of intelligent football discussion……

I agree completely with the first part of that. It is what I enjoy so much about this site. But it’s this part of your statement that bothers me….

…It’s the childishness, juvenile behaviors, and lack of actual substance in peoples arguments that we can’t have.

If people want to argue, do so in a coherent manner. Leave the garbage out of it

How does this not fall into the first part of that quote or how does it adhere to the second part?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Whoops....
If people want to argue, do so in a coherent manner. Leave the garbage out of it.

That was the second part I was referring to in the last sentence……

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't wait up and you're a busy man......

I don’t expect you to be sitting around waiting for my reply, so I’ll just leave you with this until I can check back a respond properly later…….

I’m not trying to say Lester sucks, or that he’s any less of a writer. I respect Lester quite a bit, actually.

Nor am I saying that WCG is now a bad place. Again, maybe I’m missing something, but by what you described, I am not. You initial reply was exactly the point I was making. The trolls that appeared after the loss were WAY over the top. But was this the high road response or the low road response

What I’m saying is that we all make mistakes, people and websites alike. And I feel that this post was one of them.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2011 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, and your opinion is a well-respected one.

But it goes way beyond ‘trolls’. Be open-minded enough to understand that there may have been more to it than you saw.

by Dane Noble on Jan 26, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll keep this brief (which should be a chore for me, lol)

The fact, rather than cluttering up this post any more than I have already, I’ll just respond in private.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 27, 2011 4:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Appropriate Slighted Response

I see T-Train’s point/fear about how Les’ response is a peg below what is normally highlighted on WCG, i.e. solid analysis and opinion from the “powers-that-be,” but I feel like it was necessary based on the ludicrous amount of vitriol spewed after the game by talking heads, reporters, NFL players, and specifically fans of our team. It was bad enough to have seemingly the entire NFL herd hating on our QB, team, and coaches, but the fact that so many fans dropped a successful season at the chance to jump on the “hate the Bears” bandwagon was frustrating and required a look-yourself-in-the-mirror observation. Well done, Les.

If its free, take two.

by T.J. Shouse on Jan 26, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm curious how many of the 40% that disapprove of Lovie

Only do so because he has no fire or passion? To me that’s not a basis for hiring or firing someone to coach a football team. And I’m pretty sure that has no bearing your your personal displeasure of him as a coach. If you want to talk scheme, play calling, player development, time management that’s fine. But you tune into sports radio in Chicago and you’ll hear about half of the callers that sound something like the above rant from Da Meatball Kid.

‘Hello, this is Todd from Maywood… and I’m tired of Lovie Smith just standing there doing nothing, I remember Coach Ditka yelling and screaming all the time, flipping of the fans, getting in arguments with Buddy Ryan… The Bears need someone with more fire and passion’

And all those polls usually reflect depending on whether the Bears win or lose, and since the Bars just lost, it’s natural for the poll to be a little higher in the disapprove category.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

So if a WCG poster wants a coach with fire

And does not agree that now makes him da meatball kid just for having a different opinion? If someone disapproves for that reason and that reason only, well he is still a Bears fan, still a WCG member and still a contributor to the site and fandom?

I get there are way different poster types but my initial thought when reading this is how many meatballs support Lovie? I have seen many posts with nothing more than “players like Lovie” which one could argue brings nothing more than da meatball.

Much respect for you man but be careful lumping everyone into categories. And I am hoping this doesn’t come off as rude, its hard to gage communication through internet and I certainly don’t mean it that way.

by TheMan1 on Jan 26, 2011 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The players in the locker room respecting their Head Coach is a meatball stance?

Respecting your leader and playing hard for him is on equal footing with the Xs and Os in my opinion.

How many coaches are fired in every sport because they “lost” the locker room? Managing personalities is a huge part of successful coaching. If you are treating everyone the same way, chances are you’re treating most of them the wrong way.

And also it’s my opinion that if someone wants Lovie fired ONLY because they want a yeller and a screamer and someone that will go around high fiving the players and slapping them on the butts, then that is a meatball argument.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Not at all

Playing hard for a coach, respect, and having control of the locker room are much more than “players like Lovie” just as game management, personnel evaluations and the ability to motivate are much more than “Lovie shows no emotion”

by TheMan1 on Jan 26, 2011 12:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Now, see.....

I do agree with TheMan, here, that if the opinion that the fact that the players want to play for Smith is the sole reason, as TM stated above has been the final argument of more than a few around here, that this is no different than wanting Smith gone solely because he doesn’t display his emotions.

The players in Chicago and Buffalo expressed support and a desire to play for Dick Jauron. That doesn’t make Jauron a good head coach and it doesn’t make keeping him a good idea. Players not respecting a coach is a fine reason to dismiss a Coach. You can’t lead people who don’t respect you. But there are also many who are respected who aren’t cut out be a head coach, either. As Jauron proved as recently as this season.

Marinelli is another fine example. His players in Detroit definitely liked and respected him. He took all the blame intentionally and the players respected and liked him for it. It didn’t mean Detroit should have kept him. Roy Willliams, who got away before the “Epic Failure” has huge respect for Rod. He’s said before that if, and I’m paraphrasing, Marinelli had a real team he would be one of the best head coaches in the league. I remember Kevin Smith talking about his admiration for Rod and how the Hot Rod made him tough. Should Marinelli have been kept after 0-16?

TM’s point in equating the “players love Lovie” argument with the “Lovie is a robot” argument is spot on. Both are meaningless by themselves. If Lovie is a robot and doesn’t motivate the team, then it becomes part of the equation. If the players want to play for Lovie, and they continue to win, then it also becomes part of the equation. but either as a stand alone argument is wet paper bag…..it hold’s nothing.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 27, 2011 6:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I sent you a copy of the reply I sent to Dane...

It should cover your first point about “how many of the 40%”.

And you are absolutely correct in that his fire/passion isn’t the only reason for my displeasure with Smith. In fact, it’s not even in the reasons. I don’t care, personally, what a coach chooses to show publicly in the way of emotions, and I have no idea what he does in the locker room. And as long as the players are well coached and well motivated, I don’t care if he’s branding them with hot irons, singing “You Are My Sunshine” to them, or sitting them down every day to watch and recite old Stuart Smalley “Daily Affirmations”.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 27, 2011 5:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent reply.

Glad to see a poster who can take a good natured ribbing. Rec’ed. And let’s get this one green as well.

If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.

by Just Dave on Jan 26, 2011 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree with everything...

Except coaching. I don’t want to fire lovie for not kicking 49 yard field goals or Martz for that end around. I just want to smack and say WTF man! Really, that was the play u come up with after a timeout ! Still like Jay though.

by Ryan21 on Jan 26, 2011 7:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

We all have issues...

with coaching decisions, player performances, etc game-to-game, thats part of being a fan. I’m glad Les pointed out how ridiculous some so-called fans have been by condemning everything and anything Bear-related. I was baffled with the end-around call, but some people have gone off the deep-end in tearing our team apart. I for one, love bashing Lovie for serving as a coma patient during games, but don’t think its a reason for losing a game.

If its free, take two.

by T.J. Shouse on Jan 26, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I hated the Bennett sweep call

You just tipped your hand that you had a run called… why not run a playaction off the draw? Give Green Bay a similar look to the Forte draw, but have Hanie pull back and throw.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I was screaming at the TV, literally.

was stunned into fits at the awfulness of that call………

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 27, 2011 6:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Was also stunned by the inept decision....

to put Collins in. One thing we did learn, though? We might have the best young backup in the league. Imagine if Hanie had been taking snaps under center in practice this year as the #2. I don’t get the Hanie over Cutler thought process. But then I also don’t get the Collins over Hanie way of thinking, either.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 27, 2011 6:11 AM CST up reply actions  

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