Bears should extend Lovie Smith: Coaching styles
I'm all for a good debate on this subject, but let me stop you right now if you intend to solely argue about Lovie Smith not being an in your face coach that doesn't bring the fire and the passion like Mike Ditka did. You don't need to be a surly S.O.B. to be a successful Head Coach in the NFL, you need the respect of your players and assistant coaches. Leadership qualities are as important if not more important than game planning. And I'll get into his game planning later.
In this first part (part 2 and 3 will go up in a day or two) I'll focus on a few types types of coaching styles. I think what Lovie Smith allows the public to see is different that what the players see in the locker room. A good football coach is able to know what his team needs and is able to change his approach if need be. Some players need a pat on the back, others need a kick in the butt, some players need a seat in the doghouse, and some need all three.
I've attended a few coaching clinics through the years, and they say there are three basic types of coaches. The first is the Command style, which is more like a dictatorship. These are your hardass, in your face types that many fans like. Coaches in the mold of Bill Cowher, Tom Coughlin, Bill Parcells, and yes, Mike Ditka. This coach was once the only coach that existed. Old school yelling and intimidation tactics are what many of us grew up playing for. This type of authoritative coach can be successful, but often teams start to tune the yelling out. It's a fine line coaches walk with this style.
The Submissive style is nothing more than a glorified babysitter. These coaches are fun to play for as they basically allow the inmates to run the asylum, but it takes a special self-motivated team to have success with this coach. When Barry Switzer took over the Dallas Cowboys many said he was the ultimate players' coach and he gave them a free reign on a lot of stuff. He won a Super Bowl with a team built by Jimmy Johnson but resigned after 4 seasons in Dallas. Eventually players want to be coached and pushed, which is why this more casual style rarely works at the higher levels.
Quick tangent - Let me squash the 'the players like Lovie because he runs his team like a country club' garbage right away. These are professional athletes and they didn't get to this level by being lazy. To even think Lovie and his coaching staff aren't pushing the team to work hard and get in shape is ignorant. And I hear the same B.S. in regards to the Bears not going live in practice. Do you realize how many NFL, college, high school, and youth football teams never hit live?
The last type is the Cooperative style. These teachers will challenge their team by allowing them to be involved in some of the decision making. Having more of a democratic approach with the players and the staff is a great way to go, but having that balance with some discipline is necessary, otherwise you start to drift toward the Submissive style. Bill Walsh, Tony Dungy, Marv Levy, and Lovie Smith all fall into this category.
I know some that don't like Lovie as a coach would like to paint him in the babysitter category, but that's just not the case. Lovie has a fatherly aura about him and he's a teacher at heart. The players that play for Lovie Smith would do anything for their coach. That tells me all I need to know about the man. He may be quiet and reserved in a public setting, but behind the scenes he commands respect. It'll be time for the Bears to look for a new coach when the players start to quit on Smith, but I don't see that happening; Ever.
Just this last season, three coaches with three very different styles were fired among rumors that they lost their locker room. Detail-orientated Brad Childress, laid back Wade Phillips, and in your face Mike Singletary. You can't really question a coach's football knowledge if they make it to the NFL, so from that standpoint all three are among the best in their field. It was their interaction with their players that ultimately doomed them. A good leader has to be able to alter their approach from time to time.
You claim you grow tired of the mediocrity and you crave a team that is a contender each and every season, but honestly how many teams have a head coach and a front office that have that? Three or four... If finding a coach that is that incredibly consistent was easy all 32 teams would have one. I'm not saying we as Bears fans shouldn't want more from our team, I'm just saying we need to keep it in perspective.
Click here for part 2 and part 3 will be up soon...
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I'm happy with the coaching staff.
The main two issues I do have a problem with is Lovie’s use of challenges, and the time-outs that are consistently wasted. I know that the timeout problem probably is more of an OC/QB communication issue, but when it happens as much as it has, I want my head coach to step up and FIX IT.
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by David Taylor on Jan 27, 2011 11:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Caleb Hanie claimed his speaker in his helmet was malfunctioning
late in the NFCCG and that he couldnt hear the first half of the play which is why the time out was called there late in the 4th. He also said its not uncommon for the QB to have trouble hearing the play coming into the helmet. Since all the teams use the same gear I wonder how widespread this is? Bizarre in this modern era that there could be a technical issue such as this with the amount of money involved in the NFL. Its the only thing I have heard about timeouts, how other teams dont have this problem does cast some doubt apon this theory but thats what the guy said.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 27, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I hear you.
But it’s happened all year long. Whether it’s the helmet thing, Martz randomly calling a timeout, or Jay calling one right before the clock runs out. There seems to be a consistent problem with it, and thankfully it didn’t cost us any games this year.
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by David Taylor on Jan 27, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Obligatory Wasted Timeout
as soon as you accept it’s in the game plan, and actually happens at least once a week, life goes smoother.
I have accepted it as a quirk of Lovie Smith, as it pre-dates Martz and has been a permanent issue in Chicago.
How often do the Bears have 3 timeouts come 2 minute time? Between challenge failure (1 for 6 in the regular season this year) and blown timeouts, rarely.
Corey Wootton, the Favre Slayer.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 27, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Man, I'm so tired of that look
of Jay putting his hands to his earholes, looking at the sidelines like, “Didn’t anybody change the batteries on these headphones?”
by NorthSideBearsFan on Jan 27, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Technical Issue
It is wireless communicatoin. The quality of the wireless signal can be affected by many things. For example, the location of the transmitting antenna vs the location of the receiving antenna. It is possible in certain instances that the receiving end does not receive a clear signal due to obstacles between itself and the transmitting antenna. Likewise, with all of the other electronics in the stadium, I imagine there is a lot of signal interferance. Technology can filter a lot of that out….but there is a limit.
QBs not hearing the playcall…happens everywhere.
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by TheRiot Police on Jan 27, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Size of equipment is an issue on those helmet receivers
depending on the frequency used and a few other technical details U would simply enlarge the antenna but that is obviously not possible with a football helmet. The technical limitiations of what has to fit into that helmet limits the Electrical engineers ability to correct the problem.
Also doesnt help that 80,000 people are in the stands equiped with cell phones, transistor radios, walkie talkies, and all sort of electronic gizmos. Yes, I knew a few guys who would use walkie talkies to coordinate their mayhem around Soldier field on game day.
Sad that in 2011 we have technical issues with wireless communications.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 27, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Nice signature.
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"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I'll thow a couple of thoughts out there.
The “2 Lovies” that I’ve seen are the “this is what we’re doing no matter what,” and the coach that allows in-game adjustments. The former Lovie Smith is the one I didn’t like.
I coach HS frosh/soph baseball & I can honestly say I’ve used all the styles you’ve listed at appropriate times. Except the country-club.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
As usual, excellent post, Lester
I’ve already mentioned this on WCG before, but I think Lovie is a better coach during the week than during the game. He’s excellent at teaching, motivating, and delegating; he’s poor with in-game decisions like challenges, timeouts, and matchups. This is just what I observe as an outsider, but I think the results speak for themselves – playoff appearances, division titles, Super Bowl appearances. Lovie does more good than bad, so I say give him the extension (though I wouldn’t be shocked if they waited until next year).
He’s even better now with the coaching staff he’s assembled. Hopefully this mix of coaches will continue to improve.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Jan 27, 2011 11:18 AM CST reply actions
I agree with this synopsis
I also think that without a guaranteed better option waiting in the wings there is no point making a change. Things could get ALOT worse just changing to change. The only way I would back a change right now would be if a Cowher or Parcels type was ready to sign on immediately.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 27, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you 100%
There just seems to be something missing with Lovie, just doesnt seem right for the Bears.
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
The only thing
missing is a Super Bowl win. He’s gotten us closer to one than we’d been since 86, so I have to give him credit.
I’m OK with extending him, but if they choose to let him ride out his last year or wait for the CBA stuff to be finalized first, I can understand.
I agree that Lovie's not a complete coach
but neither is any coach. The question to ask is whether what Lovie DOES bring to the table is enough.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Jan 27, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
It's a passion...I dont see passion
We can all agree we have a passion for the Bears…I dont see it with him…‘I didnt have them prepared’….‘Rex is our quarterback’…I get that he is not overly emotional, I get that but I want to see a passion to win…a passion to be the best…CONSISTANTLY!!!
"Yes, risk taking is inherently failure-prone. Otherwise, it would be called sure-thing-taking." - Jim McMahon
when his players are asked the passion question
to a man, they all say in the locker room and behind the scenes he’s much different that his podium persona. He is passionate about the Bears and about football.
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 27, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Dungy was the same way.
Don’t recall too many instances where people questioned his “passion”.
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
This is the same argument made against Jay
that he doesn’t care about the game just because he’s not screaming like a maniac on the sidelines. There’s only one way to measure passion – it’s not by facial expression or body posture or tone of voice. You measure by results. Based on the results – incomplete but solid nonetheless – i’d say say Lovie’s got passion. You don’t motivate a team to make it to the NFC championship game without communicating some sort of emotion.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Jan 27, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Except when he is
and then he is whining, crying, throwing a fit.
Corey Wootton, the Favre Slayer.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Its there
You don’t get to this level of coaching or playing without inner drive to be among the best.
It may not be there in the demonstrative way you want to see it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
That must have hurt to say.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I agree with this, Lovie comes off as a very smart football guy during the week but during games
he will have those occasional brain farts. I would like to see him extended also, but not like last time. A 2 year extension is a fair deal.
by Dominique Blanton on Jan 27, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
2 year is ideal
That way players, coaches, and free agents know Lovie will be around for a bit, and organizationally, if we struggle the next two years, we won’t be tied to Lovie because of his deal.
If its free, take two.
I am fine with Lovie
I just wish the team would get some expert input on offense. I hope the addition of Martz and Tice does that, and impacts our draft accordingly. We have been horrible at fielding an offense for years, it needs to change. Lovie doesn’t know offense, and I don’t care that he doesn’t, but the organization needs to understand that and adjust. Angelo isn’t exactly a stud at finding offensive talent either. Let’s hope Tice/Martz get enough input to help fix the offense.
Lovie came on for the 2004 season. In these 7 seasons, we have 4 winning seasons, 3 division titles, Hosted 2 NFC Championship games and made 1 Super Bowl trip. Even in the lean years (2007-2009), we put up respectable but disappointing 7-9, 9-7, 7-9 seasons. When we start having 4-12, 6-10, 5-11 seasons, I will start to explode on Lovie, but right now, even when the team is off, they still play hard enough to stay competitive and win most of their games. I am okay with that.
We are so impatient in Chicago. Let’s be happy we actually have a competitive team, and support them as they try to build for that elusive “perfect” year. With the way things are right now, it could literally happen any season. We were 2 plays away from a repeat trip to the Super Bowl, and we were 2 plays away from winning the one we were already in.
I accept the Obligatory Wasted Timeouts, the Stone Cold Vacancy Sign Stare, the Smirk of I Know, and the Pretty Good Football Team speeches, I just ask that they do something to assist the offense.
If we could get a top half of the league offense going, we would be in the Super Bowl right now, and I think we all know that. Our defense has been good enough any year but 2009 to be a contender.
Corey Wootton, the Favre Slayer.
These aren't the droids you're looking for....
by NorthSideBearsFan on Jan 27, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
fixed
These aren’t the droids offensive players you’re looking for….
Corey Wootton, the Favre Slayer.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
People
That argue that Lovie’s a bad coach because he isn’t a fiery fella on the Sideline, probably haven’t heard of this dude called Chuck Noll. A guy that was winning championships between breaks of being a cold as plutonian ice.
BEAR DOWN!!
I do remember one time that I think it was Urlacher who said Lovie seems quiet on the sideline though in practice and in relative privacy with the team can be very fiery.
Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.- JRR Tolkien
Half time adjustments.
This year we actually made some. He’s learning.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Finally! But he has more work to do
I was thinking the same thing. He has been better about adjusting to what other teams are giving him rather than just sticking with the “game plan.” I think he and the coaching staff in general are getting better at making in-game adjustments as well. The Dallas game was a good example of this, sadly the NYG game was not.
We also didn't get killed coming off the bye week.
That really bothered me last year.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
A 1-2 year extension is OK, but make him prove he can get it done in consecutive years before a longer extension.
He earned a short extension, but blew 2 opportunities to eliminate the Packers. If he could learn better time management and player evaluation/development he could actually become a bettter than average coach. But don’t tie the team to a long contract or we’ll be in the same position as the 3 years preceding 2010.
A short extension would scare away potentially good Coordinators in case we need one.
They’ll always prefer to serve coaches under long-term contracts. Just like Perry Fewell did when he scorned the bears last year.
BEAR DOWN!!
A possibility, for sure
but most of our coordinators aren’t likely to go anywhere unless they’re offered a promotion, ie, head coaching spot. I’m sure Martz would love to try again, but he’s not rolling in offers right now. In another year or two, people might be more interested in Martz and Tice and then we should worry.
If we can keep this former head coaching crew together, I honestly thing they Bears will benefit tremendously.
The coordinators Lovie has now
are the ones he wanted initially so I doubt he would want to switch coordinators now especially coming off a successful season….So I dont think that will be a problem anytime soon…..
Funny that jermey bates lost his job after turning down the Bears OC chance because of job security……Doesnt always work out…..
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!! IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE!!!!
- Jay Cutler to some Bears fans and media after NFC title game
by CloudyFuture on Jan 27, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
This is where I am at as well
I think he earned a modest extension this season but no more than 2 yrs…..He has to be consistent stringing together playoffs seasons for me to see a long term extension should they regress next season or the season after…….
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!! IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE!!!!
- Jay Cutler to some Bears fans and media after NFC title game
by CloudyFuture on Jan 27, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I feel better about Lovie now than I did last year
And how he defended Cutler earlier this week made me respect him more.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I'm warming to the idea of more Lovie
But I’m still pissed off at the whole “Trust me” finger wagging thing when he let Ron Rivera go. And until this year he’s had a pretty bad record when it come to picking out and maintaining his staff.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I still reserve judgement
on the Rivera thing. The defense wasn’t much worse in 2007 or 2008 than it was in 2006 after T. Harris got injured. (After Harris’ injury, the defense surrendered 27, 31, 21, 26, 24, 14, and 29 points, for 24.5 pts per game). For the record, that is worse than 2007, 2008 or 2009.
Our defense, despite non-coordinator related issues (Mike Brown’s health, Tommie Harris’ health, Vasher’s health/speed/fear, Tank’s legal issues) still stayed in the top half of the league in categories like Points against (16th, 16th), 3rd down percentage against (2nd, 5th) and Takeaways (4th, 1st).
After Harris got injured, we lost pressure from the front 4, because Brown and Ogun were good effort guys but neither was elite. Its surprise the defense went right back to top 10 in points allowed after we signed Peppers.
The biggest change from 2006 to 2007-2008 wasn’t defensive, though we sorely missed Tank/Harris inside and Brown/Vasher on the back end as they declined/left, it was the offensive collapse.
we went from 15th in total yardage and tied for 2nd most points scored (427) in the NFL in 2006 to 27th & 18th (334) in 2007 and 26th & 14th (375) in 2008.
When you score 100 less points over a season, you lose a couple more games. Mind you we scored that much less despite having top 5 field position in both seasons.
in 2006, we had a 30:55 Time of Possession. In 2007, it was 28:28. In 2008 it was 28:36.
Now, of course the defense was less effective, and that impacts time of possession, but we scored a lot less and still had a top 5 3rd down defense in 2007 and 2008… So if we got off the field on 3rd down, why did we lose time of possession? Mostly, the offense regressed.
Our free agent/aging O-Line collapsed after 2006, we hit QB controversy, and we dropped Thomas Jones. Oddly, those things combined to us losing more games.
I don’t blame the Rivera leaving thing nearly as much as our resumed offensive ineptitude.
Sorry for the rant.
Corey Wootton, the Favre Slayer.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 27, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This is a really good post.
Cuts against the popular narrative about the defense being so bad in 2007 and 2008. I thought the defense was pretty damned good for long stretches both of those years, certainly good enough to be a wild card team. The offense couldn’t get us there.
Lovie & his staff earned ....
…. their keep this year . Lovie needs and deserves an extention . Say 2-4 year range with option years for the club if he don’t cut it .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 27, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions
sounds fine.
You can always fire him later. $5 mil is standard for a coach now, as opposed to when we gave it to him. Give him $5.75 mil or so a year, for 2-4 years, and you can always can him later. Its not like he is going anywhere without Angelo anyway (signed through 2013).
Corey Wootton, the Favre Slayer.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 27, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not a Lovie fan
and really really don’t like the idea of an extension.
Not because he isn’t a “grab you by the facemask” type. Or any of that. I like that the guys like him and that he does a good job of making sure they’re fresh to play on Sunday.
I just don’t think that is enough. I want someone who is good during the week and at their best on Sunday. And Lovie just ain’t that guy.
Since they will probably give him an extension, I’ll just grin and bear it. But I still don’t think its the right thing to do.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I wouldn't offer an extension either just yet...
But… There are a couple things in his favor.
Apart from his first year, he’s never had a season below seven wins. All three of his playoff teams have had first round byes, and he’s played two NFCCGs with one Super Bowl.
by Steven Schweickert on Jan 27, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I just can't get my head around
the idea that getting to the big games is enough.
I’d like to see him do in a year when they’re “supposed” to, I guess.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Just saying those are things in his favor.
I agree with you. I think next year has to be a playoff year before he gets new paper… and it’ll be even tougher, cause I doubt we get the same breaks as this year, and we get two division champs instead of 3rd place division teams for those other two spots in the sched.
by Steven Schweickert on Jan 27, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
And a close to .500 record
People always seem to leave that out
by TheMan1 on Jan 27, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
I was just throwing those out there.
by Steven Schweickert on Jan 27, 2011 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think
That what set this season apart from the last 3, is that Lovie kept his nose out of the Coordinators jobs until it was necessary.
And also, he probably had a hand in the halftime adjustments that won many games this year. (Lions, Dallas, Bills, Vikings, Lions and Jets)
BEAR DOWN!!
Nice read, Lester...
and long overdue. Look forward to parts 2 and 3.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
No need for an extension...
Admittedly I am not the biggest Lovie fan but regardless of your thoughts on his competence as a coach there is absolutely no good reason to extend Lovie at this juncture.
He is under contract next season, so why extend him beyond that with so much uncertainty going into next season. You could easily make the argument that we are closer to a .500 team than an NFC title contender. Let’s say we finish 7-9 next year, then we have the same feeling about our coach and front office that many of us did going into this past season.
I say take a wait and see approach, he is under contract, let’s see how the season plays out, if Lovie does a good job and takes us to the playoffs again, great, he is more than deserving of an extension then. But just because things kind of fell our way this year and ultimately ended up losing and getting out-coached (big time) in the NFC title game, I don’t see that as a good reason to extend him now.
by Soldier Field Was Ruined on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 PM CST reply actions
same reason other coaches get them
if you have confidence in your coach, you say it with your checkbook. There is a reason people have a “lame duck” moniker for coaches in the last year of their contract.
When a coach has a contract for the following season, he knows that if he does well he already has his job. Consequently, his staff knows that if they do their jobs well, they will still have them as well. Players too know that as long as they meet or exceed their coaches expectations, they won’t likely be cut/traded.
Its security, and security is good for peace of mind and focus.
Not saying must extend him, but if he doesn’t get extended, Tice, Martz, Marinelli, etc. etc. will all keep at least one ear open a little wider about other job opportunities that come with more security. That’s life.
I am a contractor by trade (consultant) and I feel the difference between a contract in its middle years and its last year. The tensions, relationships, and dynamics of the relationship are entirely different. That is “the contract” that we work on, let alone “my contract” for employment under it.
If either were set to expire, I would try to do well…But I would also be updating my resume, and applying to new positions, so as to be prepared. My focus shifts from do my job to make sure I have a job, and make sure I have a job does not always mean dedication to where I am. That’s contracts.
Corey Wootton, the Favre Slayer.
by Brendan Hess on Jan 27, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I touch on the Lame Duck in part 2
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 27, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
dowloading bears games
anyone know where i could download entire bears games from?
by Sameer Siddiqui on Jan 27, 2011 2:09 PM CST reply actions
Um, hopefully you mean for free,
because we can’t promote anything illegal.
/Yes, I stay out of the game threads, so
The Devil You Know
versus the devil you don’t? I’d be weary of changing head coaches just for the sake of doing so. Yeah sure there’s things I’d like Lovie to do different but overall I think he’s a great coach and has done a great job with this team. We could certainly do far worse and if Lovie is replaced who is going to do better? Ask the Rams how things went after they fired Mike Martz as their head coach. They went from 8-8 to 2-14 in a big hurry.
Regarding the "Lovie runs a country club" ideas,
a lot of people seem to forget that everyone was slamming Lovie during his first season for being too hard on the players. His camps were too long, too physical, too demanding, etc. Now everyone rants that he’s not hard enough on them.
If I didn’t know better, I’d think most sports fans were a bunch of clueless asshats who have no idea what they actually want, and spend most of their time chasing their tails like a retarded puppy.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Ha!
If I didn’t know better, I’d think most sports fans were a bunch of clueless asshats who have no idea what they actually want, and spend most of their time chasing their tails like a retarded puppy.
I think that about most sports fans all the time. I always thought it was just my proximity to UF though.
We can build a new tomorrow, today
Hey now, you leave Gator Nation out of this!
Not sure where you’re at, but It’s really bandwagon-ish around the whole Tampa Bay area. I love it down here, but the sports fans are terrible.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I'm in Tebow Nation.
Jacksonville, St. Augustine area. It’s interesting to be a Clemson fan down here.
We can build a new tomorrow, today
I can imagine.
I love it over there around Augustine. I manage to get over there every year or so. One of my favorite places to spend a long weekend.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

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