Tuesday Morning Rant: The Chicago Bears are not very good
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 9:18 AM CDT
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There's no other way to say it. The 2011 Chicago Bears simply aren't very good. They have some talented players on both sides of the ball. A few Pro Bowlers and a few could be Pro Bowlers, but the overall talent level on the team isn't very good. Not near the level of depth of the Green Bay Packers and not near the level of the Detroit Lions. The Lions survived the pathetic general management of Matt Millen for years, and in two off seasons they have built a better team than Jerry Angelo has in his tenure.
Some of Angelo's decisions I agreed with at the time, but hindsight being what it is paints a different picture. Years of bad drafting. Michael Okwo. Michael Haynes. Roe Williams. Mark Bradley. Jarron Gilbert. Years of poor personnel decisions. Letting Tony Parrish walk. Trading Thomas Jones. Signing Adam Archuleta. Trading Chris Harris. Signing Orlando Pace. Letting Danieal Manning go. Forgetting to check a box. Not locking up Matt Forte. Failing to surround the franchise quarterback with any good offensive linemen or wide receivers. Signing the stubborn Mike Martz to run the offense.
Jerry Angelo must go. Mike Martz must go. And while I'm giving my pink slip recommendations, Frank Omiyale should be cut. If I was running the team, I would have cut him immediately after the game. Thanks for your service, but find another way back to Chicago.
Angelo drafts defensive linemen and safeties more than any other position, yet the Bears start three free agent acquisitions on the defensive line, and the 1st DT and 1st DE off the bench weren't Angelo draft picks either. Think about that for a second. That alone is an indictment on his drafting prowess. Pathetic. At safety he had to reacquire one of the starters after trading him away and the other was brought in as a free agent. That is a joke too. The defense is aging, and there's no one waiting in the wings. No talent on the bench ready to step in and step up.
JA also like to drafts linebackers. But where is the depth at that position? The flirtation with OLB Pisa Tinoisamoa shouldn't happen. The Bears shouldn't be looking on the street for linebacker help at this point, they should have hungry young talent stockpiled waiting to play. They should have better depth all over the roster, not the collection of fringe NFL players they currently have. Five undrafted rookie free agents made this team, what kind of talent did they have to beat out? I'll answer that one for you; Talent that wasn't very good.
I don't see any diamonds in the rough when I look over the Bears roster. In fact I only see a handful of players that could start for either the undefeated Packers or undefeated Lions. Both are simply better teams from top to bottom. It's going to be a long road toward relevance for the Chicago Bears.
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by Claudio Oliveira on Oct 11, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions
Cue Captain Obvious
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Que
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
No, cue is right.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
This guy?
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Being a Bear's fan and a Cub's fan
I’m beginning to think I’m a masochist
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
That's how we like our sports in Chicago
Gut-wrenching frustration washed down by tears of bitterness. Tasty!
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Ain't that the truth
Yum :/
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
I'm going to sit in the corner and gnaw on my hatred for the Packers.
If I’m lucky I might eviscerate Jerry Angelo in a blind Packer Hating frenzy. On the basis the man is secretly employed by the Packers to sabotage their rivals.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Curses you discovered our secret plan!
All of us stockholders hatched this a while ago of planting terrible front office guys in every division rival. The Millen experiment was so successful that we branched out with Angelo and Spielman as well. But now that Detroit has hired a real front office guy and you’re on to us about Angelo we’ll have to come up with a new master plan.
by PackApologist on Oct 11, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol, rec'd
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's good
that i hate baseball
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Let the venting resume!
It seems like the defense is finally showing their age. Briggs is missing tackles, Urlacher is a step slow in coverage, Peppers has looked pedestrian, Harris looks like he’s 80 years old, and the d-line is moving in slow motion (except when they jump offsides).
I hate to use the dreaded “R” word after week 5, but we need to start think about rebuilding this franchise. This defense looks done.
And the offense hasn’t even had a chance to get started…
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions
This
This defense looks done.
And the offense hasn’t even had a chance to get started…
You're never a loser until you quit trying - MIke Ditka
The offense started....false started anyway....
by David in Maine on Oct 11, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
you guys get Cutler somebody who can actually block and an actual WR...
you’ll be tough to beat. The fact that Forte is running like he is with the O-line y’all have is impressive. And you guys did hold us to the least points we’ve scored all season at 24 (previously 26).
As a Lions fan, I was hoping for more sacks and a pick or two but I was absolutely impressed by how Cutler played despite having someone in his face on just about every dropback (I think I remember seeing a stat during the game last night that through 3 quarters, Cutler had 5 pass attempts where he wasn’t hurried, hit, knocked down, or sacked. And yet somehow he only had like 5 incompletions to that point.
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by The Boourns on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad you respect Cutler's performance
The man laid it all out there despite zero protection and numerous drops by receivers. And the Lions look built for some good, good things.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Oct 11, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for that
I really like Cutler, and I think he’s had some awful luck, with all the different systems he’s had to learn, and with the offensive line he’s had to play behind in Chicago, and the general lack of quality receivers.
It’s annoying to keep hearing the bashing on Cutler for things nobody could really know, like his lacking toughness or not being a leader. Funny thing is, he’s been TOUGH AS NAILS all season, taking hits left and right, and showing great athleticism in staying alive in the pocket. Especially last night. I just feel like if he’d had another few seconds here or there when dropping back, the Bears could have struck the big play and they could have overcome those 3 huge plays they gave up on the other side of the ball.
I think the WRs would be okay if we had an offensive line. The thing about guys like Knox and Hester is they’re at their best when they have time to get separation. I think most Bears fans would agree that when the OL is holding up in pass protection, the Bears are capable (and have shown it, the few times the OL has played decently) of having a solid passing attack. Especially when defenses have to stay honest to protect Forte.
I agree, and thanks!
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Not that i don't think that my quarterback is good... (Lions fan)
I just think he is young and needs more experience. Culter has matured after playing for 2 different teams and seeing more playing time and he is very crafty… He is just in a bad situation and honestly i like Cutler alot.. give him a Line and a down field threat and he could be dangerous for real
Stafford is decent and has a chance to grow… i think he will be good but he use to be so much more mobile in college…now he looks stiff.. in todays game the really good qbs have to be able to move and have really good pocket presents. … Kinda like how Cam Newton is reallyl good right now. Because he isn’t mastering coverage as much as he has mastered pocket presents and awareness and poise in the pocket… Cutler has that (to me that is the difference between the really good ones and the great ones)
by Shankdiddy on Oct 11, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd classy lions fans
Thank you
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
This is the most honest
I’ve seen from a Lions fan here on both Cutler and Stafford.
I agree about Stafford. And he looked rather average last night, which didn’t surprise me.
The Bears have an opportunity to rebuild if they get rid of Angelo.
They have an extra 3rd round pick next season because of Olsen trade. Bring in a new GM now. Our college scouting must be bad too. Just too many mistakes.
Under 30 talent to keep, build on: Cutler, Forte (probably franchised), & Carimi.
Under 30 talent to hang on to, but no potential for greatness: Knox, Hester (not as a WR starter), Lance Louis (yeah, I said it, he’s serviceable!), and K Davis on offense. J Webb will be a nice swing tackle, he’s not starter material.
On defense, under 30 talent to build on: none, zero, nada, zilch.
On defense, under 30 talent that fills some needs & you keep, but are not players to build a team around: Paea, Melton, Okoye, DJ Moore.
Over 30 guys who will stick around: Briggs, Urlacher, Peppers, and Tillman will be starters but are all on the wrong side of 30. Their replacements are not on the roster. I see many years of mediocrity from this defense. The rest of the roster is replaceable or over 30 or both.
Not gonna happen - we're stuck with Angelo for another two years
And even if Angelo goes, we still have the McCheapskeys, hiring their cronies and pinching pennies. Forgot getting a new offensive line – we need new management, starting at the very top.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
It is Chicago, maybe we find a couple of guys to "Make him an offer he can't refuse"
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
mmmmm......
such nice wonderful thoughts. Especially the thought of getting rid of the top.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris Williams has looked pretty solid so I would include him in the "no potential for greatness" category
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Chris Williams is just a guy.
He’s a serviceable guard in the NFL. Try hitting the weight room CW.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Moore
has potential to be close to great, as a #2 CB or a nickel CB.
Either of Hester or Knox have potential to be very good, but not as #1s… more as deep threats alongside a good possession receiver.
Webb may have the physical abilities to be a solid tackle, but I’d rather see him at RT. He’s not quick enough to handle top flight DEs.
Briggs isn’t really in the “over the hill” category yet. I think he’s still got a few good years left in him. Last night he just totally blew it on a couple plays. I think Briggs is actually right at his prime… he still is basically at his peak physically, and he’s got plenty of experience.
Briggs is currently the best player on this defense, alongside Peppers. Urlacher is still very good. Melton and Adams are solid players, I think. Jennings, eh… maybe. Meriweather sucks. Harris should still be pretty solid. The depth at LB has quite a bit of talent.
Offensively, it’s a bit of a mess, but with Carimi, Williams, Garza and Louis, looking into the future, the team might only need one or two Olinement…
I don’t know… it’s still the Bears. They can look awful for a few weeks, then look like an elite team for a couple more weeks. Over the next 4 weeks I think we’ll be able to figure out exactly what this team is and what it truly needs.
I wouldn't put Garza in the "looking into the future" category
he’s basically a stopgap until we get a real center next year. Plus he’s at the tail end of his career (I think he’s 32 or 33?) so we need to find a franchise center soon (Spencer, maybe?)
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He should have another couple years in him
to be an interior OL when needed, and solid bench depth. Garza has never been spectacular, but he’s been good at times, and has never been that bad.
We have what is widely considered the worst ownership in the NFL
Why should we be surprised their hiring sucks and they allow it to suck?
Here’s a great piece on the McCaskey’s and their brain dead, money grubbing decisions: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/500671-the-chicago-bears-owners-are-the-worst-owners-in-professional-sports
This is weird
You said “Here’s a great piece” but then you clearly linked to that bleacherreport article, which totally negates anything you might have said about anything being great.
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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Uh, I can hate both.
They’re terrible. “Crap, we need an article.”
I know! SLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEESHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, sometimes it's good to know who the 25 Hottest Cheerleaders are
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
and to see what they look like
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Or who the hottest WAGs are.
Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
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[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Leading the NFL in swagtangibles
Possibly in all of north American sports.
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by Sparky The Barbarian on Oct 11, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
good analogy
"I'm so fly, ya'll still at the terminal" -Lil Wayne
by Chitownproduct on Oct 11, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Like Hank Williams Jr. and Hitler Playing Golf.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the thing about Rednecks though...
They don’t usually think before they speak
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by Chitownproduct on Oct 15, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that myself, a 5'6 female
Could block better than Omiyale. That performance was pathetic.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
I just don't understand how it took the Bears 3 games
to see how bad Omi was…I said earlier in the week when it was announced that Spence might not play that we should put Edwin Williams at RG and Louis at RT…I’m no talent scout, I’m no GM, I’m no coach…but even I can see when the DE doesn’t need to do anything but a speed rush to get by 68 that he needs to be pulled
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You mean an arthritic slow walk right?
Cause he wouldn’t be able to stop Virginia McCaskey on a Bull Rush
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by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone needs to buy this team
And make Ditka the managing partner ala Al Davis
The house of cards has been destroyed. The big bad lions huffed and puffed and blew the house of cards down. The problem is expecting the same little piggies to succssesfully rebuild when we know that the best they can do is not only subpar, but not sustainable.
This team is garbage and it won’t get better anytime soon. The worst thing for us would be to over perform the rest of this season, not making the playoffs but finishing around . 500, giving lovie and JA job security and the franchise a later draft pick. Not advocating tanking but a crap win against a crap team at the end of a crap season really doesn’t help us, especially since the notion that at least or young talent is getting experience, gowing through growing pains, is a joke since we do not have any young talent.
Gotta love post-loss hyperbole.
And after the buyer of a team that is not for sale comes to town, we can trade for all of the best players in the league who aren’t available, and hire all of the best coaches who aren’t available.
by Dane Noble on Oct 11, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
While we're at it
can we fire Larry Mayer and give me his old job? I can blow smoke up the butts of Bears fans with the best of them…
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we are not firing anyone
until we are done torturing their voodoo doll.
then we fire them.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I abused the Mike Martz doll last night so badly
that after the burning oil treatment there was nothing less.
Got another? Cause I feel like I need to keep abusing it.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
But...but...
America…everything…sale.
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FINLAND!
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Brazil!
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by Claudio Oliveira on Oct 13, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right.
Maybe I should strap on my hyperbole helmet, cram myself down into a hyperbole cannon, and shoot myself off to hyperbole land where hyperbole grows on hyperboles.
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I'm with you! Rabble!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Aw hell, I'm in
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Count me in!!!
This canary is going to war
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 11, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Photoshop a pitchfork and a torch
Then you shall have the complete picture….lol well done
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 11, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's do it!
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
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“Throw the bums OUT!”
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
That I am, laddy!
ya gotta problem, i’ll bash your head in with me bagpipes! (bad Scottish accent)
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey man I come from an amalgam of warrior societies.
The boringness and sheep infested New Zealand, the purveyors of the fine art known as surrendering, the French, and the eternally doomed and covetous tribe known as the Jews. Bring it on!
P.S Jews aren’t covetous but it would explain why my grandmother yells at me for tipping more than 18%.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he converted to Judeaism for the jokes!
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Come add to my future suffering at http://www.skullsfortots.com
by Robert Rence on Oct 11, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes I did convert to Judaism right around the time my grandparents had to change their names so as to NOT be sent to a concentration camp by the Nazis and Vichy collaboratists
Hey Robert great Seinfeld reference. My response is to the guy whom I’ve never seen before and seemingly felt the need to question whether I’m half Jewish. Don’t think he got your joke though!
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
My mother is Maori, was born in New Zealand and raised Christian. My dad is a French Jew and was born in Antony, France, which is right outside Paris.
Since it’s the norm for the kids to follow the religion of their mother I was raised Christian. A terrible, blasphemer of a Christian but a Christian nonetheless. My grandparents are disappointed I wasn’t raised Jewish but my dad isn’t a very good, practicing Jew himself so he didn’t really care if I was raised in the Jewish faith or not.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's an interesting story.
No slight intended, but did your family follow Jewish traditions at meals? In other words, were you allowed to eat ham, for example? Did kosher matter? Those types of things?
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Only when I was at my grandparents home. Other than that no we didn't follow any Jewish traditions in any sense.
My dad just didn’t care is the thing which I find sad. Whenever I tell someone I’m half-Jewish I usually try to make the point that it’s more due to blood and ancestry as opposed to tradition and customs. Recently I have been taking much more of an interest in my own cultural heritage so I guess I have that to hang my hat on lol
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If your ever in the Detroit area
There is a Jewish cultural center in Southfield Michigan, it is well worth the trip.
P.S. Maori / French is not bad at all. You probably know this, but the Maori tribal culture is very similar to American Indians in some ways. Also, the kicked the hell out of England when they tried to colonize them. Much, much to be proud of there.
The French side, well at least they have a beautiful language and some fine culture.
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Oh definitely my mum taught me about my Maori heritage so I am definitely proud of that.
I was actually born in Christchurch on the South Island but I’ve not been back there since I was 15 and I’m 27 now lol. I spent my childhood in France and left when I was 12 and came to the States.
I have a better relationship with my grandparents in France because I grew up around them. For me I’m trying to rediscover my Jewish heritage because my grandparents aren’t getting any younger or healthier so I need to learn before they pass.
And yes the French have a beautiful language, culture, country and ladies. Too bad most of them are dicks lol
by frenchbears113 on Oct 12, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't that make you all Christian and no Jewish?
I guess I’m naive, but if we’re talking religion, how does one be half of anything?
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Most likely but like I said I consider myself Jewish because it's in my blood not so much because it's in my daily life.
My grandparents are pretty damn Jewish lol. But for the past year I’ve been on one of those missions of self-discovery to get in touch with my Jewyism so I may get there one day lol
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I think he is saying he is one quarter Jewish...
His mom is Maori, so he is half Kiwi. His dad is half french and half Jewish. So that is a half of a half, or… one quarter.
Truth is he is a mongrel like most of us Americans are.
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
My dad is a French Jew not half French and half Jewish.
My grandparents are Jews as well and they just happened to born in France.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 12, 2011 6:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you knew your French history, you’d know they were one of the most feared military nations in Europe over a span of several centuries. I question your French credentials!
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Very true...
But they are also known for being the only military that only requires camouflage on their backs for the last 100 or so years. Were it not for the US and the UK, they’d not even be french any more.
And thus his point is valid.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Twice getting steamrollered by a massive military force that required the combined might of much of the UK, the USA and Russia to stop after taking a couple of years to prepare – time that was available because it wasn’t their territory that took the force of the German invasions early on? Oh, the utter shame of it.
The other side of my quip is to do with the French attitude. No Frenchman admits to any kind of failing on the part of the republic. Hence, I question frenchbears’ French credentials…
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
On the second part i agree...
On the first part, it ignores the obvious build up of Germany that France chose to defend by putting their heads in the sand instead of building their defenses. Let’s not pretend that the French didn’t have the resources, especially at the turn of the century, to build defenses to counter the German aggressors. And let’s not pretend that France didn’t play a huge role in trying to pacify Hitler rather than stopping him from building the massive army that he commanded.
And were it up to the USSR, France would be speaking Russian. So I stand by my exclusion of the Red Nation from my original statement, as they had little to do with France still being France.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
The French had a larger standing army than Germany at the time of invasion. The difference were advanced tactics; blitzkrieg combined all their forces to attack in unison. The French were stuck w/ their Maginot Line, which was an antiquated strategy considering it was left over from WWI.
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Such is the problem with winning a war
you become complacent and refuse to develop new strategies because the ones that worked before will work again…
hey…this sounds familiar
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Yep
Evolve or die (in sports you just lose).
New school thought (Germans and Packers) or the old school traditional ways (French and Bears). Haha.
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
My grandmother's father apparently lost a foot in the Battle of Passchendaele.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
You’re family has a ton of stories I see! I’m not familiar with that one. I’ll have to do some research on it. Thanks for sharing!
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Oh you should meet my dad he is as French as it gets.
He and my granddad always get into arguments about the direction France needs to go in. My granddad is still peeved at the whole Vichy thing and not to mention the wars in Indochina and Algeria, the former in which he was shot 5 times. I myself spent most of my childhood in France but I grew up in the States, hence my non-dick attitude about being French.
But the interesting thing is that the older generation is much more respectful than the one that came after. What I mean by that is that France’s version of the baby-boomers are mostly responsible for the extreme attitude change towards other nations. My grandparents love Americans and the other Allies. They grew up in, arguably, the darkest time in French history and being Jews, they saw and went through a lot of horrible things. My dad grew up during a sort of rebirth of nationalistic fervor in France so that tells you all you really need to know about him lol
But back to the historical conversation. On the other side of the coin though is that these military conquests depleted France of resources and men. An obscene percentage of young men were killed in Napoleon’s wars and it set the population of France back in the 19th century. Same thing happened during the Hundred Years War. There was a heavy cost to these so-called conquests and in the end it destroyed l’empire colonial!
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
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Can't this town go one day without a riot?
:)
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, I'm a moron.
It took me way too long to figure out the Vancouver reference.
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Angelo has drafted a D-Lineman every year except 2005
Half of those drafts contained 2 or 3 drafted D-Lineman.
Our current D-Line rotation consists of:
Stud FA signing
FA signing
FA signing
FA signing
FA signing
Undrafted FA
4th Round draft pick
In 11 years he has drafted 17 defensive linemen (including 2 first round picks) and only one of them is currently on the roster (Melton).
In that same time period, Angelo has drafted 12 O-Linemen, but half of them were in the 7th rounf
by torch on Oct 11, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
woof
Sad thing is…even if Jerry goes…that just mean Tim Russkell steps in
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Russkell ain't all that bad .....
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
No?
What happened in Seattle after Holmgrem gave up GM duties and let Ruskell take over…drafting as bad as Jerry’s
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Not really . Heres a nice look ....
….. at his draft history …..
2008 – Lawerence Jackson ( 1st Round ) , John Carlson ( 2sd Round )
2007 – Josh Wilson ( 2sd Round ) , Brandon Mebane ( 3rd Round )
2006 – Kelly Jennings ( 1st Round ) , Daryll Tapp ( 2sd Round )
2005 – Chris Spencer ( 1st Round ) , Lofa Tatupu ( 2sd Round ) , Leroy Hill ( 3rd Round )
2004 – Deangelo Hall & Mike Jenkins ( 1st Round ) , Matt Schaub ( 3rd Round )
Heres a LINK to the rest
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Uhm and how many of them are still in Seattle playing at a high level?
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Carlson , Mebane , Hill & Tapp for the Seahawks & ....
….. Wilson ( Ravens ) , Deangelo Hall ( Skins ) & Matt Schaub ( Texans ) . So 7 of the 11 are still playing at a high level …. 4 for them and 3 for other clubs . Jenkins in solid as is Spencer . Lofa was great until injuries killed his career . So really the only guys that fit in the total bust catagory are Jennings & Jackson .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Players getting drafted and then going to other teams
don’t count towards the success as your team, so they don’t count. Mebane is really the only player on that list that is relative honestly.
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok better question ....
… if not Ruskell then who ? Who is our savior ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
OK that was the obvious answer .....
….. now lets get a seroius answer .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
idk
There’s gotta be somebody…I mean, if the Lions can find a capable GM why not us…why don’t we hire someone off the Patriots FO tree…they generally don’t seem to do too bad…or maybe someone from the Packers, Steelers or Ravens, those teams have solid front offices that constantly retool and resupply their teams
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Uh..... Josh McDaniels
(shudder)
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Not coaching, front office
though Xanders hasn’t done too well I guess
Patriots coaching tree just proves how good Billichek and Brady are that everyone else looks good
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Scott hasn't done so well either.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
hey Josh McDaniels
is actually a good Offensive coordinator i think, idk how he is doing now, but im sure it cant be worse than Mike Martz’s offense
The 0-4 Rams and Sam Bradford (whose completion % this season is under 50%, as opposed to 60% last season) might beg to differ…
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
But he did make
kyle orton look like a world beater and probowler last season….
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking one can look at the following people
russ ball packers football VP….
George Kokanis/Eric DeCosta, Baltimore: Kokanis is former Browns GM. He and DeCosta are GM Ozzie Newsome’s top personnel lieutenants…..
or try mike mayock
or Les Snead, personnel executive Atlanta Falcons….
Just to name a few…..
That or WCG can hold a contest to see who can be the next Bears GM…..That be better than the McCaskeys hiring another executive firm to find the next Bears GM….
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
"And after hiring _______ firm and doing an exhastive search for a General Manager
we’ve decided to hire Dick Jauron to be GM"
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Seriously
I was gonna say Jim Hendry…..I think he would be an AWESOME Bears GM…..
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully if angelo goes, Ruskell goes too
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Both, Ironically
First round picks – which would mean he’s Angelo Jr.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Oct 11, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call Lawrence Jackson a bust at all...
He is playing very very well in Detroit and an integral part of the Lions rotation at defensive end.
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
Wooten is still on the roster
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I laughed when I read this
Frank Omiyale to @MarkPotash: "I definitely have to look at myself and where I’m at right now. I have to dig deep and get better.’’
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
How about he shuts the front door and returns all his gear to management?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 11, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Why?
The door’ll just swing open again…
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
HAHA REC CITY!
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by Chitownproduct on Oct 11, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Not gonna cut it, Gate 68
“better” for you is below average for any other lineman
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
WTF?
Bouncer at a raisin ranch strip club – that’s your future, Oatmeal. Get better? If you were dead as Julius Caesar, you’d be better than you were last night.
The hardest thing to watch was how the Lions just pushed us around, rapped us inna mouth, kicked our asses from fender to taillights. They ran us over and then backed up and did it again.
Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.
Jerry Angelo has to hold himself accountable for the personel decisions gone wrong
Instead of trying to blame the coaching staff. Coaches can only do so much with the talent they have.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 11, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
This season Angelo has blamed inexperience and poor execution. He has never taken any responsibility for his horrendous personnel decisions!
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he should run for office. He'd fit right in.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone really think they were the cream of the crop when the season started?
Fact of the matter is that they have lost to a 5-0 Packers team, a 5-0 Lions team, and a 4-1 Saints team (who has the 5-0 Packers to thank for their one loss)…and two of those three losses are on the road.
I can’t say I like what I see at the moment, but it’s not clear the Bears are in the bottom half of the NFC. The only thing that can be said for sure is that they are not in the top half of the NFC.
Do I think Angelo has been even a decent drafter? No. But the Bears have been competitive under his tenure with Lovie. Can’t deny that fact. And ultimately the goal is to field a competitive team by any means necessary, right? Even if his best acquisitions have come through trades and free agency, he still has some quality moves on his plate. The problem is that none of them have been recent, and he left a lot of cap room on the table this season rather than go after big play guys. I guess if the plan was to save that money for this upcoming offseason to reload with players they liked better than the crop from this past offseason, it can still be a fine decision.
I love doomsday pronouncements, but come on.
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by Steve von Horn on Oct 11, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
I'm not ready to give up just yet
If we lost to the Vikings and Bucs going into Bye week, then I’m for sure giving up
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
I'd even settle for Vikes OR Bucs in that statement.
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by Steve von Horn on Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
They have been competitive in spite of Angelo
The top to bottom talent on the Bears is far behind the Packers and Lions. There is no denying that. Lovie Smith is a decent coach if he has the horses to play with, but an injury here or there and you can forget about it.
Teams that fail to draft year after year eventually get handcuffed. It caught up with them.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Truth
For citations, see: New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, etc.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a decent coach with everything
except managing timeouts. How can a coach be that bad?
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Yeah
It’s blurred into the blob of crapiness that is this management team. Exactly who is watching the replays upstairs for the Bears? He should be fired immediately!
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I honestly think that no one looks at the replays...
Not even Lovie. He just throws that red flag whenever he makes a bad decision/call and hopes it’s overturned so he doesn’t get in trouble. Two wrongs don’t make a right Lovie!!
I think he does it randomly
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by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a good player manager
But awful game manager.
Many mistakes last night, including challenging the 4-1 play (clearly short, whereas the 3-1 looked like it MAY have been a first down), letting Cutler go out there on the 4-1 and try to draw the defense offsides (I assume), when he probably had an even better chance of drawing his own OL to a false start, then burning a timeout only to go out and run the same play as the 3-1.
And the time management in the second half was absolutely horrible. Particularly on the last two drives. Just godawful.
The best offensive draft pick Jerry has ever made is Forte
and he’s playing his ass off for a coach who would rather throw 1 yard WR screens than run, still producing and not getting paid…
Watch, we’ll finish with a record of 9-7, a middle 1st round pick and use it on a RB and let Forte walk rather than get a WR, CB, DE, LB, T, G…or we’ll draft another safety
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With the idiocy of the bear's management
I can totally see that happening.
head / wall
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
valid argument
What I have been trying to hang my hat on this year since when the lockout was still in play was two things.
1.Improvement on the O Line..not a lot, but at least some.
2. And our reliable Defense.
I thought with those two things we would have a shot regardless of what happened. It’s not the fact we lost 3 games so far this year, It’s the manner of how we are losing. The defense cannot stop the run, we give up huge plays in the passing game every week, and our offensive line can’t give Cutler 3 seconds to throw the ball.
We need to win 8 out of our next 10 games to finish 10-6 and have a realistic shot at the wild card. We need to win 7 out of our next 10 to finish 9-6 and have a shot in the dark for a wild card. Looking at this team so far this year, and the lack of depth on both sides of the ball can you really say to yourself you see this team finishing 7-8 out of their next 10?
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by Chitownproduct on Oct 11, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not just the playoffs
We want to win the SB. Rings for Wildcards and 1st round exits don’t exist.
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by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
well said
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by Chitownproduct on Oct 15, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
Last night I was ready to give up, but looking at things in perspective…
The three teams the Bears have lost to are combined 14-1.
They’re also the three best teams in the NFC.
That said, if the Bears are any good, they need to be able to compete in a game like last night.
The defense allowed two HUGE TD’s in inexcusable ways.
The offensive line couldn’t even play somewhat decent against probably the NFL’s best defensive line.
All three of those huge losses had one thing in common – the offensive line was absolutely unable to provide Cutler even slightly below average protection. It was flat out bad – worse than ’09, worse than last season.
The Bears aren't gonna beat anybody
if they play like they did last night. The O line is a joke and the defense old and slow.
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I think the Bears are definitely better than the Vikings.
I think you still have a legit shot at finishing over .500 this season.
At home you have games against the Vikings, Lions, Chargers. Chiefs and Seahawks. The Vikings, Chiefs and Seahawks are very winnable. The Lions and Chargers are tougher, but still winnable at home. Let’s say you win one of the two. That puts you at six wins.
On the road, you have the Eagles, Raiders, Broncos, Packers, and Vikings. The Eagles, Broncos, and Vikings games are still reasonably winnable on the road. That can take you to nine wins. You could also have one of those Sundays where everything seems to come together and you could surprise the Raiders or Packers, but let’s say you have nine wins.
The last game is the one with the Bucs in London. That is not really a home game for either team so I think the Bears have a good chance there.
I think you guys still have a legit shot at nine or ten wins. That could be enough for a playoff spot if everything falls right. Can the NFC North have three teams in the Playoffs?
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Just out of curiosity
Forte runs for what, over 80 yards in the first half, yes? Surely some playaction/bootleg action was used in the second half to utilize the effective running game and stretch the field a bit, yes? Surely this would have taken the pressure off of OmiFail and the OLine, yes? Surely we could have enjoyed watching Hester drop a 59 yard touchdown pass and Roy Williams inexplicably doing a first down celebration on the sideline… yes?
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Oct 11, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions
Or Williams not being able to gain separation from smaller DB's. It didn't stop Sam Hurd from doing it and he was brought in solely for ST's purposes
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Hurd did a good Yday
Wasnt a huge fan of him at WR, but he did his job last night
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by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't see him do the first down signal on the sideline
I just remember him having the one first down catch and waiting for him to bust it out, but he didn’t. At least someone on the offense is improving at something.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
The divison maybe out of reach but
a spot for playoffs is not. Barring collapses (which i pray for) Lions and Packers are both likely in.
NFC East is a mess minus the skins who arent all that impressive in their own right, Minus the saints south has no one else consisten, and the NFC west….well it is what it is lol. 49ers are playing some good football but no one else is really trying to give them a run for their money.
One playoff spot left please remember people, we have the vikes twice, cheifs, broncos seahawks and other teams who arent top 3 teams coming up. The Lions schedule gets much tougher in 2nd half.
2-3 is not what we wanted but it can be worse, 2 wins puts us back in relevance, Carimi returning will be HUGE, and if Carimi is out longer Louis needs to be RT much more athletic than Gate 68.
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
Dunno about that
the loser of the packers lions division battle will get one wild card leaving only one playoff spot left…..And what we have seen from the Bears thus far its hard to imagine they can get that one spot….Even if they did get it would be one and done….
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see this team
beating a rejuvenated Seahawks.
Or a desperate Chiefs team either.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Aaaaaaaand now you went too far
For both of those teams are much worse than us…
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Agreed
We may not be a playoff time, but we still pulled out a win over the Falcons and Panthers. And made it look easy with the Falcons. Chiefs and Seahawks are WAY worse than those teams.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
*team, not time
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Sorry if this has been covered but
can we ever run the hurry up offense earlier in the game. Would have tired the Lions d line out which might have helped our oline alot. And the Defense is slow
The Lions have tremendous depth at DL
Unlikely we would have slowed down their pass rush considerably.
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Yeah, that's another thing
The announcers kept saying how the Bears only dressed 7 d-linemen for the game, and they were getting gassed by all the playing time. I’m thinking, “Angelo drafts/signs 5 million d-linemen a year and we only have 7 dressed? WTF?!”
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Three words ...... Offensive line sucks . Does that clear it up ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
They were only on the field twenty minutes, the lack of a healthy Peppers likely had a lot to do with it.
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by badsamaritan on Oct 11, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Peppers and Toe injured.
Only five healthy D-linemen left after that.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I just felt like if there was ever a team that would have an endless supply of d-line depth
it would be Jerry Angelo’s Bears.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
thank god we drafted some d line help... oh wait thats right he doesn't play.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 11, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
As bad as the game was, I'm not giving up on the Bears yet.
Still lots of football to play. But if the Bears lose to the Vikings next Sunday night, then it’s SEASON OVAH!!
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
Great post about JA's failures
I couldn’t agree with you more about the abysmal job Angelo has done in Chicago.
Yup
I’m still pissed about that one, especially after Jones rushed for 1,000 yards the next season with the Chiefs.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
LMAO
Jones went to the Jets bro.
And didn’t just have 1 1,000 yard season.. He had three 1,000 yard seasons with the Jets. THEN he went to the Chiefs and split time with Jamaal Charles,
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad
post-Bears-loss-hangover is clouding my brain. But I think you get my general point.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Only decision that I actually agree with.
Jones is a cancer and ASKED to be traded in ‘06. Angelo talked him into playing in ’06 with the promise that the Bears would trade him after the season. I can’t ding Angelo for keeping his word.
Otherwise, he sucks.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldnt be mad at that move
Who knew that benson would be so useless
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I agreed with the move as well...
It was the drafting of Benson (something I also was OK with) that led to Jones being unhappy… Instead of spending the #4 overall pick on a running back, he could have shored up another area and found a compliment to Jones somewhere else.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Except....
Jones didn’t break out until 2005. He never topped 1000 yards until ’05, and was considered a stop gap and overall bust in 2004. After the Bears drafted Benson, Jones dropped his first 1000 yard season and created the controversy. To that point, he had one decent season and was considered nothing special and certainly nothing to build on.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He had a good year for the Bears in 2004
In 14 games he had a 4.0 yards average with 948 yards and he added 56 receptions too. They could have added a #2 to the mix and been fine moving forward.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I get the idea...
But coming off of 2004, nobody thought Jones was the answer moving forward. Like I said, he had never crossed a 1000 yards, in his then five year career and was considered a bust around the league. I remember that draft pretty well. Everyone was clamoring for a running back. Nobody believed in Jones then, and while hindsight is 20/20, foresight into the consistency that Jones would eventually bring wasn’t exactly common then.
I’m just saying that you’d have been hard pressed, as the 2005 draft rolled around, to find anyone who thought Jones was the answer at RB, and after the draft it was roundly considered a good move. It’s hard to ding Angelo for that one. There’s no way Benson would have made it out of the Top 10 if Angelo hadn’t grabbed him, and I guarantee that he would have been panned for not taking a running back if he had said the Bears liked Thomas Jones instead of drafting a running back. Sometimes a draft pick fools everyone and so does a veteran.
All of this, of course, avoids the discussion of Jones being a noted locker room cancer in Chicago, New York and Kansas City, causing problems with other running backs on the roster.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said I agreed with some of JA's moves, but hindsight is what it is
I wasn’t a fan of Benson then, but understood the pick.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
lol...
Don’t get me wrong. I agree with your premise. JA needs to go and it’s never been more evident.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Even after we got Benson, I always felt like Jones was the better back
which is why I hated the move. It would’ve been great to keep that two-back committee going for another year or two, though I didn’t know that Jones asked to be traded.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
But be honest...
in 2005, did you think the same thing? Before Jones ran for his first 1000 yard season and while everyone was saying that the Bears needed a running back and that Jones was just a band-aid who was a first round bust that didn’t produce in his first 4 seasons?
Cause hindsight is 20/20, but I was writing for firejerryangelo.com when that pick was taken, and even the guys on that site had a hard time arguing that it was a bad pick in April of 2005.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not in 2005
but by 2006, definitely. It seemed like Jones was a new man, we’d just gone to the Super Bowl, and I thought Angelo would’ve kept the party rolling. But as I said, I didn’t know about Jones’ trade request, so that does shed some light. I’m still not happy about it, though.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Jones had a handshake agreement with JA that he would move him in the offseason
Kudos to Jerry for keeping his word.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Webb and Tice
can also be given their pink slips.
by boondock_saint812 on Oct 11, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
Webb .... Yeah OK he needs to be a back up swing tackle . Tice ..... Hell no , that man has made a horrid line play at least servicable .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
you call 56 sacks serviceable?
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at what he has to work with .......
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention IIRC
the fewest sacks a martz lead offense has given up was 43 back when they won the Super Bowl…..Ever since then its been 45+……
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to have Martz in a dark room for 10 minutes
And a Run The Ball playbook.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
With a starting line up of...drumroll please
Gate 68, Chris Williams at guard for the first time, a bad Olin Kreutz, Roberto Garza/Edwin Williams/Lance Louis at RG and Webb at RT…56 sacks was a miracle
I feel bad for Tice…its not like he’s got talent to work with…he has raw talent, which would be fine if we were rebuilding, but this team was built to win now…I think the D has a 1-2 year window tops…
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I don't get the love affair with Tice
He was a crappy head coach, and was mediocre at best in Jacksonville.
He hasn’t done a great job at all.
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He hasn't done a great job
but think without him the line would be worse
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Idk
They allowed less sacks with Ron turner as the OC (without Tice)
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Less complicated blocking schemes
less 7 step drops, and I’ll take our O-line from 04-08 over this one any day
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I'd take our '09 line over this one.
And that line sucked.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Orlando Pace and Fred Miller were bad
whooo boy was I wrong…at least Pace was big enough to get in the way and Miller provided some kind of resistance
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I think it was Seifert...
who called the Bears line a group of rusty turnstyles today, but I think he was wrong. The Bears line played like well oiled turnstyles. Rust would provide drag.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Omi played like the turnstyle
that has its inner mechanisms tore out so the bars spin freely with zero resistance
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quit making excuses. tice sucks
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It's hard to say a coach sucks
when he’s got 3-4 starting OLinemen who would have trouble starting for most other NFL teams.
meh sorry
I’m just really pissed off
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They also had a two years younger...
Olin Kruetz and Roberto Garza, as well as Williams, Pace and Shaffer outside, who might not have been great, but were certainly better than Webb and Omiyale outside, and Omiyale was playing left guard, which is more his speed.
in the end it all comes down to math……..Pace > Webb at LT. Williams/Shaffer > Omiyale at RT. Kruetz – 2 years > Garza at C. Garza – 2 years > Spencer at RG.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, I have to step in and make a point here.
I know I am not a Bears fan, but you have to figure in the Martz factor when looking at your offensive line. The Lions used to give up over 50 sacks a season with Martz as our OC. After we got rid of him we improved to the 4th best pass blocking team in the NFL. The sacks are half of what we gave up under Martz and the only real change in starters after Jim Schwartz took over is Rob Sims at left guard. While Sims is good, he did not cut over 30 sacks from the Lions total.
I am telling you right now that your offensive line is probably not as bad as you think they are. A lot of your problem is probably the Mike Martz blocking schemes. Every single team that dumped Martz had significant improvements on their sack totals over the next two or three seasons afterward. I shudder to think how many good young offensive linemen may have had their career ruined by that maniac.
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by TuffLynx on Oct 12, 2011 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Webb was horrible
last night. Tripping over his own feet. All our O linemen looked like they wished they were somewhere else. At least Kreutz had attitude. He might have gotten knocked on his butt, but he wouldn’t cower like our O line did last night.
Cutler was positively heroic.
Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.
Martz should be fired
and Tice the OC. He actually is living in reality unlike stubborn Mike.
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
This
Heck right now I would take my Grandma calling the plays…..
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
What kind of credentials does she have? ;)
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
She is very good
at Madden……But its the Wii version…..
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Martz loves the Wii version.
He uses it to simulate his pass plays
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been calling for Tice to take over playcalling duties for weeks.
But playcalling wasn’t the big issue last night. Martz didn’t call a horrible game. He just had horrible offensive linemen and receivers to work with.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He called a horrible game.
7 step drops against a Wide 9 D is terrible. Then not sending a back or TE to chip the DEs is moronic. There are a handful of tackles in the NFL that can block a DE that lines up that wide while the QB drops 7 steps.
I’ll have a post up about that very subject later this week.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
More material for this week's Sackwatch!
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Be sure not to forget the two that were negated by penalty.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree completely.
First, I am right now in the middle of watching the game for the third time analyzing protection. Not a whole lot of seven step drops here so far. A lot of five step drops, but almost no seven steps. In fact, Jay would have been killed if more seven steps had been called, because Webb was consistently directing his man right behind Cutler, when he wasn’t wiffing entirely of course. Martz called an uncharacteristic amount of shorter routes, as well. He still hasn’t found a route scheme that negates the press-induced invisibility of Hester or Knox, but he has shortened the routes and it showed in Cutler being at all capable of completing passes this week. Martz’s normal routes would have gotten Jay killed before he was ever capable of firing the ball.
Second, Kellen Davis was sent to chip on a few occations and kept back a few more to help block. He sucked roundly and didn’t slow the rush at all.
We usually see eye to eye, and you know I’m no fan of Martz (never wanted him hired and have argued for him to be dismissed or demoted for a while now). But in this, we disagree.
I’m not saying Martz called a great game. But to say he called a horrible game shuts eyes on the true problems. Personnel.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
3 step, dink and dunk, with some playaction mixed in.
That has to be the passing gameplan moving forward vs. teams with the DEs so wide.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that has to be the gameplan against team with DE's, DT's LBs or small children rushing the passer.
And I think Jay’s still gonna get hit a lot. And I mean a lot.
And thus we come back to your overall point. JA needs to go. I say now.
And if Phillips doesn’t get rid of him by draft time, I say he needs to go as well. (actually, I think he needs to go anyways)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't think the play-calling was bad, either
I just thought there should’ve been more help on the edges. However if, as you said, the TEs actually were staying in to block and were playing so bad that I didn’t know there were even there, then I can’t blame Martz.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Need Carimi back
I believe the Bears to have the worst set of starting tackles (right now) in the entire league. How many times can Webb and Omiyale get beat by a speed rush to the outside? You know it’s coming, but you still can’t stop it.
Piss-poor player evaluation, scouting, development, and drafting.
Briggs, you’re not getting an extension after showing why you’re not great anymore.
Hester looked great and bad at times. How do you not catch that deep pass? You catch punts for a living!
That’s what I was expecting to see from Cutler; tow the line and make plays rather than get sacked. His performance gives me a reason for hope.
Should we blame double-teams again on why Peppers disappeared?
Where’s Roach? He’s yet to make an impact play all season long.
Coach Belichick….you were right about Meriweather. All I ever see is his hair flowing around on the ground after getting beat deep.
It might be safe to say that Chris Harris came back too early. Not sure why he was out of position on the two long TDs.
I see that JA is still defending himself about not being able to sign Forte. Well, continue down this path and you’ll alienate your best player.
Ooops….Suh beat another double team.
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There are only a few tackles in the NFL that can stop a DE lined up that far outside from getting to a QB that does a 7 step drop.
Martz puts his guys in positions to fail.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
No kidding you had
jon gruden BEGGING martz to give Webb and or Omiyale ANY KIND OF help…..The freaking announcer was BEGGING for this yet it never happened…..
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
You're blaming the coach for the players' ineptness?
No matter if they’re playing the 9-tech or not, they should be able to counter their one rush move within the span of an entire game.
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Falls on everyone
GM for not getting the talent needed, the coach for not recognizing why the OTs are getting beat and refusing to help and the player for not playing at the level they should……IMO of course….
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
That's obvious
but don’t you think they can “counter” the one rush move they’ve ran all night? Webb isn’t talentless.
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Dunno
He should but he didnt….But I am not a big Webb fan either (especially after the well I treated it like a preseason game comment)…..but Tice should have seen what was happening as well and told him how to beat it cause Webb wasnt…..
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
But once it becomes apparent that the tackles can't block their guys one-on-one
it’s the coaches’ responsibility to recognize it and help the tackles, not continue to try something that isn’t working.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I still maintain that
Cutler is in the wrong offensive system and will never reach any kind of potential because of this and the fact that the GM refuses to give him any kind of protection or weapons…..
martz wants a pocket passer that will step back and throw the ball to the WR no moving pockets, no bootlegs, and if the QB sees the play is doomed as he steps up to the line no audibles…..During preseason and after the packer game Cutler was asked why they did move the pocket and why he didnt run more and Cutler responded “this offense does not do this” and “They dont want me running”….
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for Truth
Shaking my head. Marta wants a pocket passer, indeed…. well, Martz, you actually need a pocket in order to pass from said pocket. We don’t have pockets on this offensive line, we have death traps.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Honestly, Cutler needs to do more of what he did last night, as in saying "Eff you, Martz"
And using his feet instead of waiting to be tackled like Martz wants him too. Martz needs to understand the fact that we don’t have the fricken protection or wide receivers to make the kinds fo plays he wants. How is it that all us bear’s fans can see what a load of crap this is, bear’s management, coaching, etc, but they can’t see it? Too nearsighted? It really, truly boggles the mind.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
i totally Agree when Cutler was moving around he actually was able to look
downfield and make plays and not get plastered like a sitting target Martz is forcing him to be
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by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I just hope that Jay continues to play this way. He knows what he can do and if it weren't for drops and piss poor protection the Bears could've won this game, at least offensively!
He played a great game and showed some swagger so I hope that means he continues to play with confidence in himself.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He needs to not be afraid to tell Martz to cram it
I think that’s what’s really been plaguing Jay this season. He’s trying too hard to listen and do what he’s told, which in this case, coming from Martz, isn’t a good thing. With the OLine we’ve got, we need Jay to be the mobile QB that we all know he is, and that we all saw last night. Martz ain’t cutting it, he needs to change his tune and mold the plays around the players, not the other way around. The way I see it, Jay is the one taking the hits on every snap, not Martz, so he has every right to tell Martz to STFU and to do things his way.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Jay is clearly frustrated with Martz.
Their inability to get plays called in in a timely manner is inexcusable.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
The way they call the plays
in is so stupid….If I remember right martz looks over the play sheet calls it in to to day, day calls it in to Hanie and Hanie would call it in to Cutler (or it could of been the other way around mart → day → Hanie → Cutler)….think after week one they eliminated the Hanie part but I am not sure….
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That sounds horribly inefficient
Makes zero sense to go through all those channels.
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Agreed
Lovie needs to get with it, too. Reign in Martz, for starters
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
How does that work anyway
Does Martz tell the QB coach then he tells Jay…cause if that’s how it works…that’s a waste of time and its def not working
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Went over it above
In preseason it went martz→ Hanie → day → Cutler (might have gotten the Hanie and day mixed up could have been martz → day → Hanie → Cutler)….After week 1 or 2 they think they took the Hanie part out but I am not sure…..
But ya all that is such a waste of time its no wonder they have to waste timeouts…..
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it possible to have the OC linked directly to Jay's helmet?
I don’t know if any other team does it this way or if it’s legal, but I wonder why don’t they just have Martz talk straight to Jay?
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes you can
But this is the way martz has done it since 99 or something…..So this is how martz wants to rely the plays for some bizarre reason…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He really liked to play telephone as a kid.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Oct 11, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutty didn't need to prove anything to me, I always thought he was good
But he gave one heck of a performance last night. With receivers dropping balls and the pocket collapsing on just about every play he found a way to at least set his players up for success. He just doesn’t have the players he needs around him, you can’t knock him for that.
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by Chitownproduct on Oct 11, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he was getting too jumpy but yesterday he showed that he can play great with constant pressure but he can't win without help!
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
hw was a bit jumpy, He also stayed strong in the collapsing pocket a few plays and planted his back foot
You can tell he has been working on it, but hard to trust this line to give you the 3 seconds to make the throw.
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by Chitownproduct on Oct 11, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
Stafford looked jumpier then Jay did all game…and he had something resembling a pocket lol…Effin Megatron
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May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
I agree and there is the difference between the two. Stafford had clean pockets the entire game yet still overthrew receivers and looked too jumpy.
Cutler was being hit and tormented yet he stayed strong and made plays with his legs.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which is why
Win or lose Stafford is overrated and I cant see him get better than this…I honestly think he’s holding the lions back a bit, the way flacco hold the ravens back
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by T.Moore on Oct 11, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've always been in Cutler's corner, for the most part
I’ve never questioned his toughness or his talent, only his decision-making at times (but I’d make crap decisions too if I had 300 pound linemen in my face on every snap). Jay is a great QB and I truly do feel like his talent is being wasted at this point.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Sad/Bad thing is with the Bears
going to the NFCCG last season it bought every one at the very least 2 to 3 more seasons before the McCaskeys even think about making any type of changes….Even if they did I think they strongly look at Angelo disciple tim ruskell to take over to save money…..
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Yes sir.
For everyone who wants the coaching staff and JA gone, getting to the NFC Championship last year was the worst possible scenario for that dream to come true…
JA gone is fine hes done a horrid job outside of Cutty , Peppers & a few others . Lovie and ....
…. the rest of the coaching staff should be applauded for the job they’ve done with so little talent .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh I can sorta
agree with this…..Last night though Jim Miller was talking about how he thought the Defensive players might be tuning the coaches out now….Plus I am starting to tire of Lovies defensive scheme in general since I can see the blitzes coming a mile away and think the scheme in general is to vanilla IMO though I will admit I am not that football savvy….
People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant....
- Jerry Angelo on the 2011 Chicago Bears
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Think last season and our D , thats the way the Bears ....
….. version of the Cover 2 is supose to work . Front 4 get pressure and make the offense dump it short , the LB’s & corners make the tackle for minimal gains .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya but
They have not made the playoffs on a consistent basis playing the scheme…..My concern….Course does he have the talent to do what he wants to do….But I guess I just want whole sale changes……
People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant....
- Jerry Angelo on the 2011 Chicago Bears
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Where as I do not want wholesale changes . We have not ...
… had enough talent on either side of the ball to run a consistently competitive franchise .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I could settle
getting rid of the entire offensive coaching staff minus Tice….
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't say I'd be disappointed with that or aginest that ....
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as JA head rolls too
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 11, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sick of 3-long
and the CB’s playing 6 yards of the WR’s at the line…all they have to do is take 2 strides turn and bam, 10 yard slant, 1st down, rise and repeat
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Its called tackle better and that 3rd & long slant will turn into a 4th & short punt .
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Your parallel(s) to crap Millen and clueless Angelo is hugely notable.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
Think about the title of this article!
If the Bears have some good talent on both sides of the ball the problem is how the team is managed and coached. Forte deserves a raise or his days are numbered in Chicago. It is time for someone to start facing the reality the team needs a new general manager and the coaches need to all go and be replaced. The offensive line is terrible and has yet to develop. Why?
I gotta put the blame on Lovie!!!
Why would he go for it on 4th & 1 when we were in field goal range? And they he challenges knowing Forte was short, and after he hears the ruling on the field stands he smiles!!!!!!! C’mon Man!!
That being said we have a lot of winnable games left on the schedule like 2 vs. Min, TB, Den, KC, Oak (i believe game is in Chi), and Det at home that will get us to 9 wins.
Im so lost on the 4th and 1
why not sneak it? matter of inches
Did we not get Marion Barber for this very purpose?
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Oct 11, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter if it's Forte or Barber
In the NFL, you have to be able to get the inches, and our o-line wasn’t able to block the play. That aside, I thought they should’ve kicked the FG on 4th down. Memo to Lovie Smith: your offensive line isn’t that good.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinda hard to do anything when you don't block Suh .
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't have mattered
Suh crashed in unblocked and made the tackle behind the LOS.
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It reminded me of that Time
When the eagles left Peppers unchecked and he sacked Vick last year…
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my question is more of
why with a terrible O-line are we attempting a RB dive at the best DT in the league…
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Twice in a row
And challenging the one that clearly was short, when the one that looked much closer (the 3-1) wasn’t challenged.
Also, having to take a timeout after what appeared to be an attempt to draw them offsides.
Only to run the same play, which could have just been the plan if nobody jumped offsides.
And I assume they knew they’d be going for it on 4-1 if they didn’t make the 3-1. So why not maybe try fooling the Lions with a deep pass on the 3-1? You’d have had better protection in the goal line type offense…
It's unexpected.
Like doubling down on a 10-6 in blackjack. Sure, it won’t work most of the time, but you look clever as hell the one time it does.
I do it all the time
On Fallout New Vegas :D
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Add to the end of that ........ FOR MY LIFE ! ...... And it works .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Rex's mantra was "F**k it I'm going deep" so Jay's should be "F**k it I'm outta here" every time the pocket collapses.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
Someone needs to make a t-shirt for this
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Smudgers!
I think MSBF has an idea for an OSS, my friend.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
Love it!
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 5:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Who's Roe Williams?
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Teehee
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
What do I win
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Rosevelt Williams I think...
a 2nd round CB who did less than nothing
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3rd round draft pick out of Tuskegee in the 02 draft
He lasted 1 year in Chicago and 1 more in the NFL.
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh man forgot
about that guy…..Right up there with dan “Buzzsaw” buzin…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
OHHH I remember him..
He was like supposed to be an instant probowler
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
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Amen to that
Lovie will take his share of the criticism, and rightly so, but the real villain is Jerry Angelo. Time to clean house, starting at the top. Right now the Bears are run worse than Netflix.
I plan to live forever, or die trying.
by Sparky The Barbarian on Oct 11, 2011 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
Surprised I havent seen any Lion trolls yet
I just wanted to say that you guys have a great qb in Jay Cutler. He has the skills of a probowler behind a line that is the worst in the NFL and receivers that are backups on a good team to work with. Its a damn shame that a talent like his is getting wasted in Chicago.
Matt Forte is a true superstar back. He can do it all and I really think that he’s your best offensive weapon. If he had other guys around him to take the pressure off, he be even more dangerous.
Hats of to Mike Martz for a well balanced playcalling. I thought he did a superb job. Unfortuantely for him that offensive line committed 9 false starts and couldn’t keep Cutler from running for his life the entire game so it didn’t look as pretty as it really was. He did a good job.
Its too bad that you fans had to suffer through playing amongst the hardest early schedules I think I’ve seen this year. Bears probably would have a better record had they not’ve played the best teams in the NFC in just the first 5 games. That’s hard any team to get through.
Good luck throughout the rest of your season and I hope things improve for you guys. You’ll have another shot at us and Green Bay so there’s plenty of time to turn it around with 11 games to go.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Oct 11, 2011 12:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Good luck to you and your Lions man . I just request on thing ....
… of you …… Beat the Packers both times you face them .
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh please god let it be.
I just want someone to wipe that smug little grin off of my co-workers’ faces. Please let the Lions destroy the Packers twice. Please, please, please, please……….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, and good game to you, too.
the truth is, right now, I’m not sure if the Bears would have a better record if they had played the worst teams in the NFC. Just too many holes on this team. We all knew the o-line would have issues but I never thought the defense would struggle so much. Well, at least we ended Megatron’s 2-TD-per-game streak.
Good luck to the Lions this season. Tell Suh to do us all a favor and knock out Aaron Rodgers.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, dont you guys worry about that
With the addition of Fairley last night, as you all seen, we have 8 defensive lineman that would probably be starting on other teams. We had fresh legs all game and it showed in the 4th qtr once the Bears offense really started to look deflated. That d-line didn’t miss a beat with the backups in. Actually, on the sack from Willie Young that entire unit were backups but you really couldn’t tell. That’s how good Detroit’s d-line really is and the depth is also good.
Green Bay is the best team in the NFL as of right now, but come Thanksgiving in Detroit, we will be feasting on Rodgers like a holiday dinner. The Lions, to me are just as good as Green Bay. They are a more seasoned team and won a Superbowl, but the Lions have talent everywhere like they do.
We have finally restored the roar in Detroit after a decade of futility.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Oct 11, 2011 12:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, don't get ahead of yourselves
There are still many games to be played and you just beat a DEEPLY flawed Chicago Bears team. Plus you need to win a playoff game.
But I get the optimism. Enjoy it.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
My Father in-law recently said to me
“The Lions’ offense kinda reminds me of the 2006 Bears defense, just dominant. When they won all of those games and people always said we didn’t beat anybody and how we won games that we shouldn’t have won. 13-3 and a Superbowl appearence and we didn’t beat anybody?”
That’s kinda how I feel right now. 5-0 and I’ve already heard the they haven’t beat anybody credible mantra. Hey, 5-0 is 5-0 and we have won every way possible: blowouts, come from behinds, road wins, you name it. People, including us fans, aren’t used to them winning so there must be some excuse or reason that 5-0 isn’t that credible right?
Wrong.
2008 0-16
2009 2-14
2010 6-10
2011 ?
If they went 5-6 down the stretch, they’d still have a shot at making the playoffs. That’s below .500 and still could get in. That’s a far cry from the 0-16 record that was only 3yrs ago. It helps to have a GM with a plan.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Oct 11, 2011 1:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't say the Lions haven't beaten anyone credible
But you haven’t played the best teams yet, or gotten to the playoffs yet. Just take it one game at a time and don’t start crowing until you’ve at least clinched a playoff berth.
And yes, a win’s a win, and the Lions have earned all five, so congrats.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for this post
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
I know everyone loves to be positive. But the fact here is, we will be watching other teams play for the superbowl this year.
It’s a crying shame that Urlacher won’t win a ring, crying shame.
Superman wears an Urlacher Jersey under his costume
by BearNecessities on Oct 11, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
You crying?
Theres no crying in football! Only goin into the fetal position (Like romo) In football!
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Yeah, he's a big part of the reason the Bears were great in 2005-2006
He made that defense what it was and they wouldn’t made it to the Superbowl without him. Urlacher was one of the best middle linebackers in the game, unfortunately age and talent voids around him is finally catching up. The Bears have dug themselves a hole thanks to Jerry Angelo. He should be fired after this season in my opinion because he doesn’t draft well or for the future. Can him and get a GM with a plan.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Oct 11, 2011 12:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sadly most Chicago media seem to think
that Angelo and company bought themselves 2 or 3 more seasons by going to the NFCCG last season….So if this keeps up it will get really bad before anything happens……
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
if we suck this year
we suck next year, and when we think we’ll suck the year after that we make the playoffs again and Lovie and Angie will still be here…UGH!
We Are Guardian Force...READ IT!...BAM!!!
The thinking is Angelo
wants to retire in 2 years anyways so the McCaskeys will let him play that out then they can go from there because Angelo and company made it to the NFCCG last season….Saves money….And if they are successful then ruskell takes over……
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
rage quit
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But the Bears did
as much as anyone with the offensive line and there are only 3 or 4 true #1 WRs…..Ops sorry that was Jerry Angelo talking….
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Now wait a second we did draft Carimi last draft .....
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Needed more than just
one OT especially if you buy into the Angelo knew he wanted kruetz gone…..
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I can agree with that , but who else was out there that was a viable option ?
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I can give Angelo some
credit in pursuing willie colon but when that fell through they should of (have) gone and gotten someone else….IIRC there were still viable options out there blalock being one of them….Instead Angelo went welp we tried were good the Oline is fixed….
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Colon was not the answer in my opinion . Have you watched Blaylock's ....
…. play this season ? He’s been worse than Louis & Williams . The only guy that could have helped was Harvey Dahl & maybe Jared Gaither .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if they werent the answer
At least you can say Angelo tried to fix the line….Honestly havent seen blaylock play this season so cant say….Louis is fine IMO just needs to stay healthy…..Pretty sure dahl was gone after the colon deal fell through….I do remember people screaming for gaither though…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
What's funny is that McKinnie has been pretty good for the Ravens. Just sayin!
by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Dont remember anyone
saying get mckinnie because he was 450 pounds or what ever but bet people would rather have a 400 pound mckinnie than omiyale or Webb at this point….
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
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by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
But one guy can’t fix a five-man line. Carimi being drafted reduced the overall level of suck on the right side of the line, but Webb and C Will rose to the challenge and made up for that slight improvement. Even Garza looked lousy last night.
Personally, I think JA made good moves for the 09 season with the OL
Drafting Williams and picking up Pace looked like solid moves to me. Clearly they didn’t work out (for different reasons with the two).
Last season the OL was ignored.
This season, the jury is still out on how JA did O-line wise… picking up Spencer and drafting Carimi were both solid moves.
But this should have been addressed well before ‘09, and right now it’s almost to the point where the Bears need to spend their first three picks on OLs next season if they’re not able to sign a stud OL.
I agree with you on C Will.
The draft analysts thought he’d turn out to be much better than he has. Pace, I dunno… there’s usually a reason that an aging repeat-Pro Bowler gets axed by his team. Carimi was a no-brainer given that he was available at that point in the draft. Spencer I just don’t know about, I haven’t seen him do particularly well or particularly poorly.
On another note, wasn’t Omifail part of the 2009 moves, too? If so that completely erases any positive value of that year’s off-season moves.
This year
Jay is more visibly pissed than previous years….he’s tired of the BS you can see it in his…wait for it…Body language!
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And he has every right to be
I’d like to see him chewing out that OL the way Urlacher was with Briggs last night – almost had him in tears, it looked like.
Word
I agree
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
I found this just plan Humorous
S-T Blog: #Bears have NFL-high 17 false starts, according to #STATS, 11 more than league average
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Perspective: Frank Omiyale and J’Marcus Webb lead #Bears with 5 apiece. But 12 NFL teams have four or fewer.
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- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
Webb
shouldn’t be on the left side.
I understand why he false starts as much as he does. He isn’t quick enough to block good DEs, so I think he tries to compensate by getting the best jump possible.
That one had had last night was complete BS though, when he just moved his head a bit after Vanden Bosch was dancing around on both sides of scrimmage.
And honestly last night, it looked like the Lions had a few early jumps… neutral zone infractions that weren’t called.
Some bad officiating on both sides
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya
the refs were hot garbage for both teams
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The Urlacher "helmet-to-helmet" call was utter BS
again, not saying that was the difference in the game, but a couple of those bad penalties could’ve changed the complexion of the drive if there were called correctly.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That one I thought did
cause it was a hellacious hit, the D lost its nerve and momentum, and Detroit scored on the next play
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Bad officiating didn't cost use the game , bad play did .
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
It was bad play, but the Bears kinda caught the bad end of both calls and non-calls, line-wise.
There were at least 3 or 4 plays where Lions D-linemen jumped the line ahead of the snap and were not called. And that call on Webb with Vanden Bosch was total BS. All Webb did was turn his head slightly.
I’m also not happy about the non-call on the false start when Jay was shoved to the ground after the whistle was blown.
That was an optical illusion
The Bears tackles couldn’t hear the snap count so they had to react after the ball was snapped, thus it looked like the Lions were getting off the ball early.
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Jerry Angelo must go. Mike Martz must go. And while I’m giving my pink slip recommendations, Frank Omiyale should be cut. If I was running the team, I would have cut him immediately after the game.
Screw waiting until the game was over – I was ready to cut Omiyale after the first quarter.
Agreed ^^^^
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I want
To kick omifail in the nads after that performance…
We Are Guardian Force...READ IT!...BAM!!!
Forget the nads
That can be recovered from.
Just go Gillooly/Harding on him.
Make a sex tape with him?
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
REC'D!!!!!
For making me spit Vernor’s EVERYWHERE!
This needs to be green!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta make this green !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Oct 11, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
So did Jay.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 11, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
I agree with you 100%. I just posted my own blog about this. Glad to know we’re on the same page.
Man... am I REALLY going to have to talk you folks off the ledge?
The Bears are currently 2 – 3, with losses to teams that have a combined record of 14 – 1. Yes, the o-line got demolished and the D looked bad last night. I expect the D to shape up and… well… I expect the O-line to still suck, but regardless. The team is hardly bad. The trouble is, we’re in a division with two excellent teams. The only remaining undefeated teams in the league. Honestly, I wouldn’t expect to win the division at this point, unless Green Bay and Detroit have a complete collapse, but you don’t need to win the division, just make the playoffs. Can you take off the morning hangover glasses and tell me that the Bears can’t beat out the Giants, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Cowboys, or Seahawks to get that last position?
Now, if you lose to the Vikes next week… then there will be some appropriate panic button slamming.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Come add to my future suffering at http://www.skullsfortots.com
Yes they are 2-3 and their overall talent level is low
No depth. And Martz is still calling the plays.
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Philly's showing us what good an overabundance of talent will do for you.
And very few teams are deep along their depth chart.
Martz’s play-calling is going to get Cutler killed. But that’s not really news. And every time he says he’s going to correct it, he proceeds to go back to his old ways ten plays later. When he balanced it out in the second half of last year, the Bears had a much stronger offensive game. How long it’ll take Martz to revert to that, I can’t say, but I certainly can’t see replacing Martz until the end of year unless things get catastrophically bad.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Oct 11, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The Lions and Packers are both deeper talent wise,
and that’s all that matters.
Angelo’s continued failings have finally caught up with the team.
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Angelo's failed at getting an O-line, that goes without saying
But we’ve been saying since the draft that Detroit likely has the best defense line in the league, and that’s going to give any offense fits.
But to focus solely on his failings while ignoring his success is… well… being a rube. Without Angelo, would they have drafted Hester, or Forte? Would they have made the trade for Cutler?
And while you’re saying that the Lions and Packers are deeper talent-wise, you’re not saying how that matters. Talent does not equal victories.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Come add to my future suffering at http://www.skullsfortots.com
by Robert Rence on Oct 11, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
No ...
But it did last night.
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 11, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
One might be able to say
that the vikings have more talent than the Bears…..Guess we will see Sunday night….
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Id say its equal
Best running back in the game in Minne tho. Chicago has Forte who is great but he’s no AP. Minne doesn’t have a Cutler and they both have an aged defense. They both will be battling for 3rd place this year.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Oct 11, 2011 7:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can you take off the morning hangover glasses and tell me that the Bears can’t beat out the Giants, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Cowboys, or Seahawks to get that last position?
At the beginning of this year, I’d say yes. After watching the level of play since then, however, I doubt it. The O-line is full of suck, Martz is enamored of 7-step drops that don’t work, the WRs are dropping passes or just not getting open, the D isn’t pressuring the QB and is getting gashed for big plays…
13-2, isn't it?
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Saints, GB, and Det are their losses, right?
Two 5-0, one 4-1.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Come add to my future suffering at http://www.skullsfortots.com
by Robert Rence on Oct 11, 2011 9:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
In defense of the defense...
I think last night falls a lot on the playcalling, and on Meriweather.
On the CJ TD, Tillman played the play as he was supposed to… it isn’t his fault at all. Why they were calling that zone type defense at any point and allowing CJ to go loose into a seam and match up against LBs and Meriweather alone is beyond me.
Briggs had an awful game, but he’s still Lance Briggs. A Pro Bowler and the best player on this defense with Peppers.
I think they need to take a long, hard look at Meriweather, how they’re playing him, and what they’re expecting of him. He could have and should have stopped the Best TD run, and the CJ TD. I’d rather have seen Steltz or Wright out there… at least we know those two are capable of making tackles, even if they’re not the fastest guys, or anywhere close to being “ballhawks” like Meriweather is supposed to be.
IIRC, the CJ TD was Chris Harris' fault
He bit on a head fake and Johnson just burned him; bad technique by Harris. Meriweather came over from the other side of the field. He probably should’ve made the tackle but trying to bring down a full-speed Megatron in the open field is easier said than done (just ask DJ Moore).
But yes, I agree – Meriweather has not played well to this point.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What sucks is Tillman did a good job in coverage
on CJ. In fact, I think Tillman played over his head. Whenever Tillman was in full man coverage on CJ, CJ was basically a nonfactor.
That call was just not good. You just had to know that Stafford would be targeting CJ the minute he broke into a seam and was facing zone coverage.
Hmmm
JayCutler6 Jay Cutler
thanks for all the support from everyone. Fix the mistakes and get back to work. Lot of football left to play.
Secretly he is thinking I want mike martz and jerry angelo dead…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
By "fix the mistakes"
he means get rid of the front office.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Some of my earliest memories are of watching the 85 bears season..
An for my 5th birthday they gave me the best gift ever! A superbowl win! I’ve been a die hard fan threw it all, but today for the first time ever I was ashamed to put my Bears hat an jacket on :(
Until JA is gone there will not be a Bears superbowl win, he’s the worst thing the Bears have done in 20 plus years.. He’s nothing more than damage control an the man can squeeze a penny so hard Lincoln’s nose bleeds
by edenburnz on Oct 11, 2011 4:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The loss to the Lions
was ugly, but The Bears were in the game for a good long while, which is remarkable considering the number of false starts and the general miserable play. These are not the Lions from 3 years ago. They have counted the pennies, drafted smart and been shrewd in free agency. They are a force, and they may just end up being the top of the north within a couple of years.
As for being ashamed, please. Did you not sit there like some of the rest of us, watching all thru the 90’s and early 2000’s? THAT was embarrassing.
Oh I remember that decade plus of awful
But I still had hope all those years, it’s prolly because I went into this game extremely hopeful for some reason which I usually try an temper my enthusiasm, for me last nights game was a huge let down :/
by edenburnz on Oct 11, 2011 5:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Now im hearing how Stafford a Marquee QB
He’s Kyle Orton with a stronger arm, When Orton had Brandon Marshall making him look better than he is…He’s average for right now
We Are Guardian Force...READ IT!...BAM!!!
Didn't jay Cutler have Brandon Marshall too... just sayin
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Imo Jay "looked" better than he did at denver.
Its just that Angelo refuses to give him anything to work with (Why? Who knows?) Most of the game Stafford had happy feet yet he had a clean pocket that game…He’s still young and all and maybe he can get better…But still I cant see him be more than average without Megatron, the same way with Orton…
We Are Guardian Force...READ IT!...BAM!!!
Hey
Lions fan here.
Culter is tough ( Forte is a STUD ) and your D had an off night.
Hang in there.
"I like to win all the time, so all the time I play with myself."
by seabeeruss on Oct 11, 2011 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nope to late
its all over 3 – 13 coming up….JK hopefully but the Bears having the worse defense in the NFL right now thats not really reassuring….Good luck rest of the way and beat the pack…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to beat the Pack
I would like to own them.
You guys get Minny
"I like to win all the time, so all the time I play with myself."
Nice
Like the quote as well….Think I will use it as something Jerry Angelo would say cause quite frankly I can see him saying something like that…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 11, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
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