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Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Week 5, Lions Edition

  • Man, I can't wait for Chris Harris to come back, I'm sure he'll solidify our safety presence and we'll stop giving up so many big plays!
    Seriously, Harris was about as bad as I think we've seen him. Completely overran the reverse in the first quarter, went one-on-one against Calvin Johnson in the open field and got headfaked out of his pants, and got sucked in on Best's huge 88-yard touchdown run. 
  • Was it just me, or did Cutler seem like he had had enough of standing directly in the line of fire? The second quarter of his was near excellence, evading pressure, creating time, making good reads escaping more than one sack, rolling out and throwing to receivers coming open. His rating only dipped below 100 during the fourth quarter final drive. Pay attention Martz, I'm pretty sure that was a Cutler middle finger in your direction, that he won't just stand behind the deathwall when he can help it. He took a beating and still had a strong game.
  • Kellen Davis racked up three false starts before False Start Frank Omiyale even collected his one. The Bears had nine on the day. On one occasion, 3rd and 6 became 3rd and 16 after two consecutive false start penalties. Speaking of, anyone else think we've seen the last of the Omi-Ole! era? Cliff Avril was all over him, and on one or two run plays where Suh matched up with him (such as the 4th and 1 on the DET 25), Omiyale may as well have not existed. When Jon Gruden is pointing out how bad you were, might be time to consider cleaning out your locker.

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  • I'm confused. Why was the Second Coming of Rash Davis getting primo receiver snaps in place of anybody else on the roster? At about 11 minutes left in the third quarter, someone in my living room and I realized we hadn't heard Johnny Knox's name at all. If this isn't indicative of the Bears' receiver dilemma, I'm not sure what is.
  • So... Anybody know what rest stop the D-Line Bus stopped at? Izzy collected a sack, but aside from that, Stafford's jersey was clean far too often. Too many times, he had a clean pocket.
  • Speaking of Stafford, wow. He looked... fairly inaccurate last night. Not a lot of pressure in his face, just a bunch of overthrows and misfires.
  • Stop me if you've heard this one before. It's third and one in the first quarter, Cutler takes the snap, takes a five-step drop, and sacked.
  • Jahvid Best. 12 carries, 163 yards, TD. Let that sink in for a second. Jahvid Bleeping Best.
  • RPRT just keeps making plays. DJ Moore made a beautiful break on that interception, his first where the ball wasn't tipped.
  • There were a couple curious things in this game. First and foremost, the fourth down call in the first quarter. Surprisingly enough, I didn't mind going for it. What I did mind was A) going right into the teeth of the Detroit defense, and B) not blocking anybody at either the point of attack or Suh on the backside.
    Second, I had no idea about the "tipped ball" challenge. I always thought as long as the ball was catchable (it was) and the receiver was interfered with (Sanzenbacher was), that's pass interference. Third... At what point did Urlacher's helmet hit the Lions' receiver's?
  • Matt Forte, why you no catch critical third down pass?
  • Somewhere, Kellen Davis just got whistled for another false start.
  • Back to Jahvid Best for a second. I understand being able to break DJ Moore's tackle. But Lance Briggs? Really? I'm not sure if the Lions could have broken more tackles yesterday even if they had all bathed in Crisco for an hour.
  • Devin Hester. Love what he can do with the ball. Hate that he'll still make the same mind-numbing mistakes like catching a kickoff just to step out of bounds, or catch a screen and run backwards for ten yards. I understand trying to make a play, but sometimes, just gotta accept there is no play and take what you can get, even if it's zero.
  • For all the talk about the Bears' special teams advantage, the Lions did a very good job of containing the Bears' return game. Hester couldn't manage a thing.
  • So the Bears burned through all three first half timeouts in the final 5:40 of the first quarter, behind two timeouts and a failed challenge. Good effort!
  • Cutler was really effective getting the ball out early on quick drops and routes - I recall Spaeth, Sanzenbacher, and Davis all making real nice plays out of the two-step hot read in quick succession.
  • Time of possession was almost 2-to-1 in favor of the Bears. What's wrong with this picture? Big plays and penalties. Stop that.

That's all I've got for you. What did you notice yesterday?

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I noticed that

the Bears failed to take advantage of an inaccurate Matthew Stafford, and then a few of the exact type of play their defense is supposed to eliminate kill them.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 7:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Nut, meet nutshell.

Problem is, that’s a 32-word recap. 32 words doesn’t quite capture the “suck” on display last night.

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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

It really does just come down the Bears getting beat on two plays, worth 14 points, that are exactly what Tampa 2 is designed to never let happen.

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by badsamaritan on Oct 11, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not as much, probably.

Do you think the Bears will gameplan to stop Peterson or McNabb? I understand your point though.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Oct 11, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't just Best

Just about every running back we faced so far this year had at least 100 yards rushing, even the Atlanta game. Our run D just stinks.

"I'm so fly, ya'll still at the terminal" -Lil Wayne

by Chitownproduct on Oct 11, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 12th man the Soldier Field truf will take care of AP.

Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.

by Ditkavsworld on Oct 11, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I trust the D will improve, hopefully soon.

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Needs more needles.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Oct 11, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

End of Game Management

Did Lovie think 11 point TDs exist? Why didn’t he kick a FG and then trust Toub and the special teams to do their thing in getting an onside kick? Though, I guess Lovie figured there wouldn’t be enough time for Jay to have his receivers run 60 yards in the end zone before getting sacked.

by alpo on Oct 11, 2011 7:17 AM CDT reply actions  

In that case you almost have to go with the TD

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big Plays and Penalties about sums it up

If any “expert” or “critic” dares to question Jay’s toughness, he (or she) should be forced to play behind that Bears O-line…that’ll shut ‘em up (I don’t mean for eternity, but that’s not a far-fetched possibility here)

by BOBdaBEAR on Oct 11, 2011 7:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Cutler's go to guy

(Dane) has yet to fully click with him (Cutler).

I say this because at some point (I believe in the 2nd half, not totally sure) it appeared that Jay checked to a hot read and the play went something like this:

-Snap
-2 step drop
-Fire ball in quick slant/seam route area
-Have ball ricochet off the side of Dane’s helmet

This might not seem big but consider that the receiver that Jay (seemingly right now anyways) trusts the most still isn’t on the same page 100% of the time. We all know the woes of the Bears WR corps but I think that play truly illustrated it.

Note: Not blaming Dane, he’s played as well as anyone could hope for out of an UDFA with next to zero reps heading into the season.

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Oct 11, 2011 7:23 AM CDT reply actions  

And I know I could have said something about the line

But I’m sure that will be (and to an extent has been) mentioned enough as is…

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Oct 11, 2011 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK....
Our o-line sucks!
Our o-line sucks!
Our o-line sucks!
Our o-line sucks!
Our o-line sucks!

by David in Maine on Oct 11, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the part where he says
Our o-line sucks!

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, seriously, guys

What do you think about the Bears offensive line?

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno, but

think they just False Started again….

by David in Maine on Oct 11, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only time they ever beat a defender

is when they false start. Otherwise, Our O-Line Sucks!

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by Gromowicz on Oct 11, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

it hurts to think about it.

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by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Repeat x Infinity!

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by Say Ramrod on Oct 11, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it has less to do with him trusting Dane

and more to do with the fact that he only has time to deliver to the slot receiver or Forte coming out the backfield. Being our leading receiver, I’m sure Detroit made a point of shadowing his movements so Dane was the best option often.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Oct 11, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMO Hurd is so much better than Davis, this statement is offensive lol.
I’m confused. Why was the Second Coming of Rash Davis getting primo receiver snaps in place of anybody else

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Can be considered a compliment since the J-man's second coming is supposed to be bigger than the first

First coming = nailed to a cross; second coming = armageddon (tagline: this time it’s personal).

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by SaintCee on Oct 11, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dane Sanzenbacher?? We're in big trouble if he's in line for the go-to job ....

This roster is toast. We need to rebuild. Now.

Probably the Colts will indeed win the derby (the incredibly jammy gets). But what if it did happen? Andrew Luck falls to us, or another team that doesn’t want Luck but would trade for Jay. Trade Jay. Draft Luck. Get a first round center, a first round guard, our first rounder for a tackle. Our second round or third round to get a decent WR. D-lineman or LB with the other one. Obviously this is all predicated on Angelo being tarred, feathered and set on fire out on Lake Shore drive, and somebody who understands football making the picks. Jimmy Mac has my vote.

Surely we can make a tackle out of Carimi. Louis looks to be the real deal given time. Garza and CW to be okay backups. A solid QB, solid line for the future, and spend the next couple of years building the D back up to strength. Can I have six million a year please? The future could be bright again, the future could be navy blue and burnt orange.

by Wally&Mac on Oct 11, 2011 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Hell no.

Why would you get rid of Cutler (proven) for Luck (unproven). Not logical.

No way Bears finish low enough to be even considered for the Luck Award.

However, it would be nice if they could finish top 5 so that they can draft Justin Blackmon.

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are there any sure-fire o-linemen in the upcoming draft

Because, and no disrespect to Blackmon because he’s beast, I would rather see them build from the inside out so to speak.

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Oct 11, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah the LT from USC ..Uhm..

Kalil… I think.. Kahlil…maybe? *spelling

But he’s good. there’s a few others too

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even IF we played well enough to win the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes

NO way we trade Cutler. A better option would be to trade the Pick for 2 firsts and a 3rd.

In order for that to happen, Angelo would have to be gone. Only someone with superior intellect would conclude that would be a better scenario – Angelo does not possess superior intellect – obviously.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he trades for 2 firsts in 2013

Angelo might be gone by then. Of course, then Tim Ruskell would be making the pick, so I guess it wouldn’t matter…

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

In a word, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's Cutler proven at exactly?

Pros : Mobile, when it suits him. Throws well on the run. Cannon arm. Tough SOB.

Cons : Even given time in a pocket he’s not accurate. Bad decision maker. Seems to lack vision – looks for the big play downfield when a wide-open Forte is waiting to receive the dump-off. Hasn’t won squat – so he’s hardly proven.

Maybe the Colts pull it together near the end. We tank the end. The team(s) that end up with the first pick don’t want Luck and we work in a deal with Cutler. They give us their first and another first, or some such deal. We still have our first …. we could get Luck, Blackmon and then go OL, OL and maybe OL.

by Wally&Mac on Oct 11, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Dolphins seem to be showing

that they’ll tank it if necessary to draft Andrew Luck.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler's better than most QBs in the league

and his time in Denver showed that he can be a great passer when he has solid protection and good receivers. Cutler’s won a playoff game and continues to show improvement.

Trading Cutler now and drafting a rookie QB seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

You must be joking

Cutler’s the best QB we’ve seen in years. What do you expect him to do with the absolute worst, most embarassing Offensive Line in the league??? He’s not a freaking miracle worker – although he came pretty close to being one last night.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

A cannon arm without accuracy is as useless as a penny with a hole in it. It’s easy to point fingers at the o-line, but Cutler gets a pass for all those over/under throws and the mental lapses.

by Big Ike on Oct 11, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give Tom Brady Cutler's Offensive line and see how he plays

I really can’t believe that, after what he did last night, people are still questioning Cutler. IMO that’s absolutely ridiculous.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brady seems to get 5 or 10 seconds to throw on every play

It is amazing. Defense can’t do anything when you have to cover people that long, someone will get open.

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by JoeCB1991 on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Without accuracy"?

Did you see that back shoulder throw that Forte dropped? It couldn’t have been placed any better, and would’ve been a huge play if Forte held on. And that 40-yard throw off his back foot that Hester dropped? Incredible pass (bad play by Hester). I can think of only 4 or 5 other QBs who can make that throw.

Yes, Cutler can make bad throws, but when he’s on he’s MONEY. And last night, he was in the zone. Too bad his o-line wasn’t.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

I’ve seen him hit receivers between the numbers or on the hands on MANY occasions, only to have said intended receiver bobble and drop it. Can you imagine what Cutler’s numbers would be if he had #1, even average protection, and #2, A megatron on his team? His numbers would rival Rodger’s

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly still can't believe people are calling for a Cutler trade. It truly baffles me.

Not many other QB’s could take what Jay does every week and still get back up and put plays together like he does. Maybe Rodgers, one or two others at best, but not very many at all. Tom Brady? HAH! Put the pretty boy on the Bears for a week and see how well he’d do.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

The people saying we should trade Cutler

While its their opinion…Its a stupid opinion

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by T.Moore on Oct 11, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

Much easier to rebuild with a QB in place and we can win with this guy. There needs to be an institutional change at Halas hall where we are constantly adding talent to the offense. It hasn’t happened … As mentioned by someone else, just look at the draft picks on offense and where they occur and the number of UDFAs … Its kinda embarrasing. Angelo got Forte and Olsen right, but then shipped Olsen. We need to protect and develop the quality and depth of our offense every season if we are going to compete in a passing league.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 11, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know Olsen is a taboo subject here, but he's on his way to being a star

I really think JA didn’t want to pull the trigger on that trade. The only reason he did was because Mad Martz didn’t want him and didn’t know how to use him. We’re gonna miss Olsen when Martz is gone.
BTW, I miss D. Manning already.

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stafford was worst then Cutler last night.

Stafford threw an INT, missed open WR’s, lower completion % and he had an O-line show up.

Cutler was 28 for 38 with WR’s dropping passes, was lucky if he got 2 secs to set his feet, turned scrap into gourmet dinner, and gave the team a chance to win.

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

After last night I have no doubt in my mind that Cutler is a MUCH better QB than Stafford.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

was there ever any doubt?

Stafford has been injury prone too. Like to see if Stafford could finish a game with our O-line.

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

You’re joking. Tell me your joking

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look at how accurate Cutler was on some of those throws where he was running for his life as he threw it

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by JoeCB1991 on Oct 11, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or AJ Jenkins in the 3rd lol

That dude almost has 1000 yards receiving already this year

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Trade one of the three guys that had a clue what he was doing yesterday? Honestly, If we end up with a top 5 pick with Luck still available (which is already a stretch, Luck’s not going to fall below 2nd, since the Rams are also in the run, and they need everything but a QB) , I’d shop the living crap of that pick for anyone desperate to get him.

by lmfsilva on Oct 11, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the thing that scares me thoug. The defense has been terrible and is on the decline. In JA's mind that means drafting DL, S and LB.

He’ll just ignore CB on the defensive side and pick up late round offensive guys because that’s just what he does.

by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler's already halfway through his career remember, and he's hardly Joe Montana.

Buy low, sell high. Angelo didn’t buy low, but he’ll be worth diddly squat woith afew more concussions on his clock.

by Wally&Mac on Oct 11, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a dumb idea.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very dumb

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very Very Dumb

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by T.Moore on Oct 11, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we were an organization that

Could find decent talent at QB more often than once every 25 years, this might make sense.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 11, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Halfway" being the keyword

key defense guys like Urlacher, Briggs, Hitman, Peanut are on the downward slope of their careers. Most of the o-line shouldn’t even be allowed to have one. The receiving corps lacks on a prime talent and overall quality. All this while Cutler still has a few good years ahead of him. The team is stretched out bigtime on talent to address phantom issues like Quarterback, what’s next, Forté is going to peak and we need a new #1 RB next draft?

And for a franchise that had about 2 or 3 really good QBs in history, Cutler might not be Montana, but sure feels like it. It’s pathetic how our pasing records are held by the guy that was the key to the development of the passing game.

by lmfsilva on Oct 11, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is truth

Rice was to Montana was Megatron is to Stafford

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are correct, my bad LOL

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except

Stafford is average without Megatron

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by T.Moore on Oct 11, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is also true

Stafford missed a few wide open guys on several occasions – and how do you miss the freaking house that is megatron? How do you manage to overthrow that guy. If only Cutler had a megatron on his oline…. sigh

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be cool too knowing I had the greatest receiver in NFL history to rely on in crunch time.

But yesterday Cutler was pretty cool under all that pressure. Now he has to do that consistently. I kept telling people that the best QB’s get over their skittishness and yesterday Cutler did. Too bad no one else on offense got the memo

by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

All our studs on defense

looked old, slow and feeble last night – Briggs, Peppers, Urlacher. Did Chris Harris play? He did? Really? So glad he was the missing piece in the puzzle!

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by Gromowicz on Oct 11, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like Love as a HC, having said that

We need someone new and ambitious, Toub is my pick. JA is gone by this point.

by Edjka on Oct 11, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

JA should be gone at least three years ago.

How could you like Lovie as a HC?? Worst game manager that I’ve seen.

by Wally&Mac on Oct 11, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lovie Smith is a top 10 coach in the league

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am certain he would be a better toreador with those thrown red flags

But I think most of the work is done on the practice field, and we can see that the team responds to him. And we had more opportunities to win a SB under his tenure, then in previous years.

by Edjka on Oct 11, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

rob ryan is my pick if it comes down to lovie being fired

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

No thanks.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

EW NO

He runs a 3-4

good luck converting the Bears tiny dlinemen and undersized zone corners to a 3-4

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

by the time management come around to changing the coaching staff we would have a totally different defense and offense so changing to a 3-4 would not become a difficulty

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

Rob Ryan sucks.

He’s really doing a lot with a very talented Cowboys defense isn’t he

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

Bears don’t need that kind of drama.

I’ll take neither.

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Idk who i would honestly want to replace Lovie

I like Lovie and want so see him succeed as the Chicago Bears HC

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

me too, but he may be stuck with the jets

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

he may be having to go along with the head coache’s ideas.

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Head coach is an offensive coach

Rob Ryan is in charge of their defense.

Even when he was with the Browns their defense sucked.

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think he has the makeup of a decent head guy

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

kinky

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

The line is really bad but why can't Martz see that opposing defenses are taking wider splits

so they can sprint to the 7 step drop area? Imagine 2 people running a 10 yard race, one of them is very large and over 300 lbs., the other also large but a better physical specimen with better footspeed. Now you also ask the bigger, heavier, less athletic guy to run those ten yards backwards from a standing position and the let the faster, more athletic guy run full speed from a sprinter’s stance. Who do you think is going to win that race?

That’s exactly what the Lions did last night and why Jay was running for his life. Again, this line is not very talented to begin with but to also be stubborn enough to stay with “your offense” instead of using 3 step drops more often is just plain stupid. The Martz offense, at least the way he calls it, is never going to work effectively in the NFL again, in my opinion, because O-lines rarely stay together for more than a couple of years with free agency. They need that cohesiveness to handle the pressure that today’s more athletic defenses can put on a QB.

Just as an aside, Lovie Smith is the worst gameday coach I have ever seen. He proves it every year.

by BearFan611 on Oct 11, 2011 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Sparano and Caldwell

respectfully throw their hats into the ring.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

This needs to be green. Like yesterday.

Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.

by Ditkavsworld on Oct 11, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe someone with an intricate knowledge of the rules and pitfalls of either accepting penalties or refusing penalties, with a profound knowledge also of if this or that action deserves a challenge should be on his shoulder the entire game for advice

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't they have coaches in the pressbox specifically for that reason?

It just amazes me that year after year he makes bad decisions like this. Not sure where you’d look this up but I seem to remember someone last season showing a stat that Lovie has one of, if not the worst, challenge records in the league.

by BearFan611 on Oct 11, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah without throwing that challenge flag we win that game.

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by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL this

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

You always have a way of taking things out of context

and as long as it was Lovie it could not have possibly been the wrong thing to do.

by BearFan611 on Oct 11, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

and you go on and on about that challenge flag like it was pivotal to the game. It was a minor thing compared to

9 false starts or Briggs not filling his gap and allowing that 88 yard run etc.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

ed, you really are unbelievable...

Let me take you by the hand and bring you back, AGAIN, to my original post. Where does it say anything at all about a flag? My comment was that he is the worst game day coach I’ve ever seen. That was directed at wasting timeouts and leaving points on the field by not taking the FG when he should have. The fact that he also threw a challenge flag in a situation that wasn’t even close and if he lost, they were already out of T.O.’s and challenges before the end of the first quarter in a very close (at that game) was part of the overall statement.

My second post in this thread was an answer to stepeo’s statement and about Lovie’s history of bad challenges. I never mentioned anywhere that the challenge itself was the one pivotal play and until this response, I never went “on and on” about it.

Once again, you don’t read/comprehend anything and you change things to fit whatever it is you want to argue about. Since the rules are that we should only criticize the post and not the person who posted it, I won’t call you a moron because I don’t want to break that rule…..

by BearFan611 on Oct 12, 2011 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

what is the difference between

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't call you a moron either

I don’t generally call people names since that is the last recourse of a fool.

By definition a “Bad Decision” contributes to a negative outcome. Where is the negative outcome? Throwing that flag had no effect on the game.

Not throwing the flag the second time in the Washington game might have cost the game depending on how the zebra’s ruled but there is no guarentee that they would have rule that a TD by Cutler.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Oct 12, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll argue that it did affect the outcome of the game.

With 31 seconds left in the half and the momentum on their side, the Bears took a knee. With a timeout, maybe they go for field goal position or even a touchdown and take a bigger lead into half time.

Paradox is a b*tch, and there’s no way of knowing that it wouldn’t have changed the game.

Saying that the challenge wasn’t a bad decision just because you don’t believe that it had an effect on the final outcome is like me saying that the false starts didn’t affect the game because the Bears scored their only touchdown on a drive with two of them. I mean, without those false starts, the play selection would have been different and the Bears may have stalled. Right?

I personally don’t think the challenge changed the outcome, but then, I also don’t think the outcome would have been different with no false starts. But I think that trying to lawyer the challenge out of being a bad decision is disingenuous, at best.

But what the hell, I’m always up for playing the “lawyer” game. And you are wrong. There is nothing saying that a “bad decision” is defined by a negative outcome. Are you honestly going to sit there and claim that there aren’t bad decisions that coaches and players are saved from by circumstance? You’re going to stand by the notion that if Jay throws the ball into triple coverage as his receiver is falling down but the interception is dropped it’s not a bad decision. Because that is the claim you are making. In fact, I’d like you to provide evidence of that definition.

Until then, it’s just word manipulation in hopes that nobody will call you on it. Because here are the definitions for the words in question.

From the first entry of Merriam-Webster’s definition of “bad”:

a : failing to reach an acceptable standard : poor
b : unfavorable
c : not fresh : spoiled
d : not sound : dilapidated

And from the first entry of Merriam-Webster’s definition of “decision”

a : the act or process of deciding
b : a determination arrived at after consideration : conclusion

Now, you’ll not that there is no mention of affected outcome in either definition.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 12, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not buying your argument as well state as it was.

with 31 seconds remaining if they were so inclinded they still had enough time to try a sideline pass to get into FG range. They had enough time to try several things without a timeout but they were happy to get off the field and try and regroup. Far as I am concerned throwing that challenge flag had no effect on the game and if it had no effect it can’t be view as negative. You can play the what if game with every play in the game but it doesn’t change what actually happened. If you want to play the what if game ….what if the challenged worked how big would that have been.

try googling “bad decision” and see what the dictionaries come up with. Your a smart guy two words used together doesn’t necessay equal what they mean separated. Take Timothy Hockemeyer taken together that would be your fine self, separated could be you, could be someone else.

I didn’t like the way they spotted the ball after the play, with only one timeout I don’t think I would have thrown the challenge flag, but there is a difference between watching from the comfort of your easy chair and actually being there and involved.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Oct 13, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol....

So again I’ll ask—since you provided nothing more than “google it” which, by the way, also provides nothing stating that outcome matters to the definition—If Cutler fires a pass into triple coverage at a wide receiver who is falling down, but the INT is dropped, was it a bad decision?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 13, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats funny it's there when I google it.

QB’s throw TD passes into tight coverage all the time are those bad decisions with a happy ending?

 (well maybe not our QB’s)

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Oct 13, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. Yes, they are.

I answered your question. Now maybe you’ll answer mine?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 14, 2011 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Happy ending are never a bad decision.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Oct 16, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looked like briggs followed his responsibility.

out to the flats and Chris Harris moved into the wrong gap. But that doesn’t negate your point. Out of position players all night. bad penalties. poor, poor discipline.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 12, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

could well be a highlight reel is not the best source to break down plays

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Oct 13, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's official: The Chicago Bears defense is BAD

Like, embarrassingly bad. Except for the one sack, Stafford was barely touched the whole game. Briggs was missing tackles, Meriweather’s still trying to tackle with his helmet, Chris Harris probably had the worst game of his life (though he was hurt). The CSN post-game guys had it right – this defense looks old. Maybe they’ve finally hit the age wall that they were supposed to hit last season. All downhill from here.

Tillman did about as good as job defending Megatron as one can do, but Johnson is just too good.

O-line took a big step back. Webb had a bad day. Omiyale should probably get his resume ready for his McDonald’s interview. All of Kellen Davis’ yards this season have been offset by the penalties (this game) and sacks (previous games) he’s given up.

WHY does Mike Martz continue to leave his tackles on an island when they continue to get beat? The Lions double-teamed the Bears’ DEs for a good part of the game and Stafford had all day to throw. Cutler rarely had any chance to throw. And people call Martz a “genius”?

End rant.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Resume Rant!

That was the WORST challenge I’ve seen Lovie make. Forte was clearly stopped short of the 1st down marker, yet Lovie wants to risk his last timeout – in the 1st quarter! You don’t challenge an 50-50 call with only one timeout left.

And WHY did the Bears have only one timeout at that point? Oh yeah, because they couldn’t get the play to Cutler in time and he was forced to burn timeouts – AGAIN. This happens like EVERY freakin’ game. Why do other teams seem to have no problem getting the play to the QB and we wait until there’s 3 seconds on the play clock? WHY?!!

I’m sorry, I’m trying not to let my inner meatball take over, but it’s really hard right now….

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah, I forgot that - GRRR!

When you’re on the road with a chance to quiet the crowd and go up 3-0, you take the frickin’ field goal! I swear, Lovie’s had some duds in his career, but this one ranks near the top.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I liked one half of that clusterf- of a set of downs

I’m ok with giving the ball to forte on 3rd and 1, and going for it in the 4th. What was beyond belief was giving the ball to forte AGAIN in a run up the middle when barber was brought to deal in these situations, and then the idiotic challenge.

by lmfsilva on Oct 11, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I blame the defense,

Lovie should’ve been outta here, but the defense kept the Bears just successful enough to keep his job safe.

by Big Ike on Oct 11, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

no the worst challenge lovie has made was when

last year or the year before idr, he called a time out so he could challenge, then lost the challenge, therefor losing 2 time outs on one challenge

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember that

All of Lovie’s bad challenges seem to blend together in my memory

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

was’nt that against the falcons

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

could've been

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it last year against Washington?

He challenged a play he shouldn’t have and didn’t challenge a play he should have.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Oct 11, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

might've been

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was the one I was thinking of.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Oct 11, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Lions looked very beatable

plus the penalties that got the Bears across midfield, and they still couldn’t score. They looked bad across the board yesterday. You’ve gotta take some shots down the field sometimes.

by Big Ike on Oct 11, 2011 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, first you need to time in the pocket to take shots down the field

Cutler couldn’t get to step 5 of his 7-step drop before Avril or Suh was in his face.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we end the Jmarcus Webb era too?

I don’t see it with this guy. He’s bad. He’s slow. Everyone says he has “potential” but I’ve yet to see him make any plays at all. He’s simply not starting NFL Left Tackle material. We have no one to replace him this year, but priority #1 for the O-line is getting a new LT. Webb can go to backup, that’s his ceiling, I’m convinced of that.

by Mike Mueller on Oct 11, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Carimi to Lt Webb back to Rt and the problems are solved

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe next year

I don’t think Carimi’s ready for LT this season (whenever he comes back). He won’t be any better than Webb.

Hate to break it to everyone, but Webb is our best LT, which isn’t saying much. Best to ride the line out as it is (minus Omiyale) and try to reload and reset in the offseason.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually in all honesty

Our best LT is probably Chris Williams.

give the guy another shot is what i say

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

His arms are too short

So he can’t handle the bull rush. I actually think CW is probably best suited for guard, though he could play tackle in a pinch

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, strangely enough

CW seems to have settled in nicely at LG…. let’s not DMS the guy….

by David in Maine on Oct 11, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you. I agree

I don’t care about the short arms, he hasfeet. And the best part about his feet is that they actually move.

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he has good feet, but he can't get any extension when he punches

and a big strong DE like Avril will just run right through him. Not that CW can’t ever play LT, but he’s finally settling in at guard and I’d hate to move him again.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't really want to move him now. Whats done is done.

I sorta come to accept it, and I get why he was moved there to begin with. The other option was Gate 68 and he could be worst a Guard then Tackle. Just bugs me that Webb was “promoted” to LT after having a horrible rookie season at RT and CW wasn’t even considered. While he was inconsistent, he was better in pass protection then either Webb or Gate IMO.

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was skeptical about Webb at LT, too

I went with it at first, but now I think my doubts are being confirmed. There’s still time for Webb to turn it around, but I’m not hopeful.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, next year we have to bring in a real LT. Webb has had enough time.

He’s started 17 games already. He’s just not that good. I don’t see any of the potential that Tice talks about. He’s slow to react, not terribly athletic, and commits too many penalties. He’s a backup. He’s our only option for the rest of this year, I get that. But next year, he needs to be the swing tackle. We need a better option.

by Mike Mueller on Oct 11, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Webb stunk up the field

last night. A joke.

Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.

by Gromowicz on Oct 11, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prove it

Carimi was graded by virtually all scouts before the draft as projecting as an NFL right tackle. So how, exactly, does it magically solve the problems?

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

what was Webb's grade?

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by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not relevant to what we were discussing.

I asked him to show some certifiable proof that Carimi at LT fixes everthing.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

seriously which grades out better?

not that either of them should be playing LT right now.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree

As it is, we may have 2 of 5 positions set for the future in Williams and Carimi, which while not great, is about 2 positions better than last year, going forward. I also think Lance Louis has a shot, but not enough game tape yet to know if he can make it.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 11, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice "prove it"

Lame.

Webb moving back to RT (the position he played all of last year) would help him out. Carimi played LT his whole college career, and if you’ve ever played football you know that Lt and RT are two totally different worlds. When playing LT you have to learn how to work with your left foot and left hand, therefor Carimi is probably more used to and adapted to moving to the left and utilizing his left foot and hand. Vise-versa with Webb.
I guess saying “problem solved” was an overstatement. BUT. I do believe it would be a better combination than keep Webb at LT. He does not have the agility, or quickness to go up against teams #1 pass rushers.

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

It has to be said, though.

We can sit here and spout hypotheticals all we want, but we don’t ever account for the fact that saying it isn’t going to make the actual thing happen.

People want Smith fired…but perhaps that leads to the next Jauron. This team has a lot of problems, and blanket statements aren’t going to fix them.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh I like Lovie. alot. And i feel ya on the hyperbolic nonsense

Was the above answer a decent enough one to suffice ?

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I <3 U

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh gorsh

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

With Carimi's knee problem, I would not put him in the LT spot coming back.

That’s just too much to ask IMO. Webb was an LT all thru college too. He’s only had 1 year at RT. Virtually all scouts had Carimi projected as an RT in the NFL. That’s his spot. We should leave him there. Webb gets replaced next year.

by Mike Mueller on Oct 11, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have a guy who was drafted in the 1st round

graded out at Rt, but played LT for a top school like Wisconsin, play LT for me

than a guy who was a 7th round pick, wasn’t even at the combine, played for some tiny little school (Navarro College & West texas A&M).

Webb sucks

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two different worlds:

College and the NFL. Carimi would be a stop gap at LT.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 11, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

As Kev would say

PROVE IT

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

No. Prove that he would only be a stop gap and not a solution

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by suckmyditka on Oct 13, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

.Impossible to prove.

But an educated man looks at reality. Carimi is not as athletic as you would like out of a left tackle. He’s aso a better run-blocker than a passer. Those two things say that he would be a stop-gap at LT.

Can that be proven? Nope. But then, you can’t prove that Devin Hester isn’t the next Jerry Rice, either. But you can make a pretty good educated argument (to which some meatball will then say “Prove it”)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 13, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprised!

I have not been a fan of Cutler. However, I haven’t seen him play with an effective O line.
He impressed me with his talented mobility, and his arm when he broke out of the trap that Martz likes to set for him. Forte should have been collecting some balls in the flat, let him run! Where was Knox? I don’t remember any down field shots, could be wrong.
I was surprised by the Bears D against our run. All of a sudden, we were making holes to run through. Perhaps there’s a reason Rod M. couldn’t help us either!
Build the O line, dump Martz for a sensible O coordinator, things will improve.
We need to improve O line as well, surprised you couldn’t get to Staff more.
At least there were no major injuries on either side. See ya down the road, where
your home field will be hoppin’.

Expectations don't produce!

by 2manyears on Oct 11, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

You didn't see any shots down the field because if Jay held the ball long enough for that to develop, he'd be dead.

Our line simply cannot block long enough to give a play a chance to develop.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, even the commentators during the game were saying that

Jay had absolutely NO time to even plant his foot so he could throw. All he could do was scramble, throw what he could (sometimes left-handed or over his shoulder), and hand it to Forte. There is absolutely nothing more Jay could have done with the nonexistant protection he was getting. The fact that he still managed to somehow throw for over 200 yards with a 98% rating, is amazing in and of itself.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't he have a couple of lefty shot puts to Forte, too?

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Oct 11, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, he did

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really think that Cutler just said "Screw this I'm not dying here" and moved out of the pocket and just played his game. Besides the pressure part, yesterday's game was exactly how Cutler should be used.

I understand that he should be good in the pocket as well but watching the Falcons-Packers game, Rodgers was moving out of the pocket a bunch of times, using his feet to keep plays alive. Cutler is that type of QB just not as accurate but with a better arm. I hope Martz looks at the tape and says “Jay we’re doing this now and throwing in a few deep throws every so often!”

by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope - Martzfence 4EVAH!!

Cutler’s gotta stay in the pocket – or die tryin’!

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

I think Cutler needs to tell Martz to cram it. Seriously. LOL

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. With that offensive line, Martz can't keep making Jay stay in the pocket

Unless he wants Jay killed. Jay’s at his best when he can scramble out of the pocket to at least give himself some time since his offensive line is as good as tissue paper.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL. This is truth

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

The most frustrating aspect

Is we changed our offensive scheme so far in advance of having the right players to run it. I don’t have a problem with Martzfence in the abstract … I rather like it … but c’mon Jerry! Why don’t we go back to the 46 so our defensive personnel can be as mismatched as our offense. Arghh.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 11, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had Cutler stayed in the pocket last night

He would’ve, best case scenario, suffered a concussion, worst case scenario been knocked out for the season, maybe even worse.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler's skill averted about 10 sacks

Officially he was only sacked 3 times. Seemed liked 30. Our O line sucks!

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by Gromowicz on Oct 11, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just so everyone knows,

I wasn’t bashing Jay for the lefty shot puts. He did what he had to do to try to make plays. Moving Cutler out of the pocket or trying some more shotgun are both ways to give him maybe a little more time to get the ball down field.

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by Swarley on Oct 11, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's... not a percent.

Just saying.

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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Forgive me

I’m still tired from staying up to watch the crap fest then having to wake up at 5am for work. LOL

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha. This is true

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Forgived, you is.

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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the way, just wanted to add thanks for stopping by and being classy about the Win

I’m sincerely hoping for a better matchup at Soldier

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Besides Cutler & Forte, props to Peanut & Lance Louis last night.

Calvin Johnson’s big play was all on the safeties. The only other long catch against Tillman was that stutter, go, stop, and out play on the sidelines. Stafford had all day to throw, so no fault goes to Tillman for letting a long developing route go to CJ. Peanut managed to punch the ball loose too on the tackle, but CJ kept a hold of it.

Lance Louis was moved out to RT for an awful Omiyale for the 2nd time. He did OK, much better than Frank. As a 2nd year linemen, I have way more confidence and hope for Louis’ future than the awful, putrid J-Webb.

by Mike Mueller on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

If Omiyale sees one more snap as a bear

someone will get shanked. He is the worst RT to ever play the NFL.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Sorry, my emotions are still running high at this point :/

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

protection

can someone name all the o-line and their backups with a grade next to them and lets have a vote on who we think should be the starting line-up, if active and not injured, against the vikings this sunday.

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Dawg, at this point I don't think it even matters

We have no good back-ups for LT and LG, Garza’s back-up is Spencer (who has a broken hand), and the right side of the line is a walking game of russian roulette. We simply don’t have any good offensive lineman.

The only player I absolutely DO NOT want to see in the lineup is Gate 68 (don’t we need another nickname for him? Like False Start Frank, or something?)

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Next 2 weeks look like this:

(sean jensen tweet: At this point, if Gabe Carimi can’t play against Vikings, #Bears may be inclined to wait until after the bye to field him again)

So next 2 games: Webb LT, Williams LT, Garza C, Edwin Williams RG, Louis RT.
Spencer, with the broken hand, should probably sit a couple of more weeks.

After the bye: Webb, Williams, Garza, Louis, Carimi
Spencer will be healthy by then and the backup at G and C.

by Mike Mueller on Oct 11, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

On that note

Who misses Daniel Manning this year?

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

sorry smd we are buzy missing Charmin this week.

would have saved us 15 yards in penalties

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by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blanket statements! No factual basis!

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

someone should do a poll!

and its not like DM didn’t make plenty of boneheaded plays in his days as a Bear.

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by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't say he did

But you can’t guarantee that Olsen wouldn’t have flinched.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't guarantee the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning

but the trend is favorable.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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by ed_brown on Oct 11, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

we seem to be missing quite a few playmakers all over the field. with the exception of cutler and forte,

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I addition to all the O-Line suckitude...

I’m wondering where our D-Line has disappeared to…..

by David in Maine on Oct 11, 2011 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

The Bears great D-Line is a joke.

Peppers has been pedestrian since week 1. Henry Melton is MIA. Idonije is serviceable, but that’s it. Our nose tackles don’t make any plays. Okoye has been invisible. Wooten is snake-bit with injuries. This d-line is terrible. I think it’s time to activate Paea and see what he can do, because the rest of these jokers are bad.

by Mike Mueller on Oct 11, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a sinking feeling that our defensepiqued last year

and that it’s all downhill from here. I hope I’m wrong.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

*defense piqued

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

... Defense *peaked.

Your typos pique my interest, however.

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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe another term for that is "asshole."

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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 11, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I said no such thing good sir! But yeah kinda. It gives you your allure and apparently I've been told the ladies loves that!

When I was 17 I was told to act like David Caruso in Jade and many years of attempts at finding a steady girlfriend later…. I’m still single! Single like a fox!

by frenchbears113 on Oct 11, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

how is peppers knee. will he be up for playing against the vikes

by stepeo on Oct 11, 2011 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

idk

he’s old and slow anyway

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit, when I saw Peppers head to the locker room

I threw my hands up and said “Well, there goes the season.” Truth is, Peppers hasn’t done much the whole season (except for week one). If he’s finally showing his age, then there is no hope for this defense.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

In Peppers defense....

Since there are no other real threats on the D-Line, he almost always get the double team. If anyone else stepped up, he might actually have some opportunities to visit with the opposing qb.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

We got outplayed - again.

While the Lions were indeed beatable, they were more than up to the task of dominating our squad.

The Lions defense was just plain BEASTLY. Their rushers spent more time in the backfield than Forte. The calamity of penalties, poor play calling, inability to execute is as much a credit to the Lions D, as it is to the shortcomings of our personnel – coaches included. Yes we were awful – and we played like we expected to lose – we did.

Mental lapses on defense were really the deciding factor in the game. Take away both big plays and we have a different score at the end. Our offense did enough to win this thing, the defense failed – again – to hold up their end. Chris Harris looked disoriented. I don’t know if he was on medication or what, but I’ve never seen him make the kinds of mistakes we saw last night, never.

Another week of woulda, coulda shoulda. No were aren’t very good as a team. We aren’t that bad either. There is ample room for improvement, and accountability. Omiyale may have seen his last game as a Bear – certainly as a starter. I wish we could fine any easy solutions for the myriad of problems that face our squad – but there just aren’t any easy or quick fixes. As fans we’ll have to watch and cringe.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Oct 11, 2011 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I pray to Ditka he's just rusty, needs a week to reacclimate himself

He plays like that again…. just, yuck

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Oct 11, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

a faker?

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by suckmyditka on Oct 11, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

My Thoughts

1. When penalties are a problem year after year, it is an issue with the coaching staff. When penalties are a problem in a game (or games) it is a problem with the players.
2. The FG early would have been nice (I personally would have taken the points), but it wasn’t going to quiet the crowd, or change playcalls or anything. It wasn’t quite a 50/50 call, but it was a legitimate decision that didn’t work out.
3. The challenge was dumb. The spot was bad, but Forte wasn’t close to getting the first down. If they give the Bears the first down, it changes the game, which is why Lovie threw the flag, but the spot wasn’t going to be overturned.
4. First half time-outs aren’t worth any points. Using them all up didn’t matter. Using them all up wasn’t likely to matter. Non-story.
5. The offense only scored 13 points (no help from defense/special teams), but, ignoring penalties, looked better than they have all season.
6. The offensive line is not going to be a strength this year, but I think the offense looked like it was able to work in spite of it.
7. The receivers are also not going to be a strength this year (or next year), but they don’t need great receivers for this offense to work. There bad drop to good catch ratio is still higher (more bad drops than good catches) than it should be, so there is still room for improvement without having to change anything.
8. Special teams did not do a good job of getting the offense good field position. It was probably just a one-off bad game, but this is supposed to be one of the core strengths of a Lovie Smith team. Toub can’t work magic every week, but if this continues to be a problem, this team is in trouble.
9. The Lovie Smith defense is supposed to be like paper, always covering rock (big plays). Sure, scissors (slants and tight-ends) cut paper, but paper covers rock. The defense did not work.
10. Is it really this hard to find a safety who can play in this system? Is it that much more difficult than playing safety for any other system? With all the players who have clocked time at the position, shouldn’t we have been able to find a couple who could just make the plays in front of them? Bad play allowed to good play ratio is off the charts.
11. This defense is bad. The one thing they did well was getting off the field, except instead of holding the Lions to three and outs, they gave up quick touchdowns. With all of the focus on defense from the organization (Marinelli, Lovie, JA) and ‘scholarship players’ (Urlacher, Peppers, Briggs, Tillman), there is no excuse for the defense being this bad. This team cannot win games with a bad defense.
12. The Bears should spend all of their draft picks this year strengthening their defense.

by BusterK on Oct 11, 2011 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

The offense isn't losing games, but the defense is.

This boat is taking on water, we can plug the leak (address the defense) or spoon some water overboard (address the offense).

by BusterK on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

13pts

By no means is the defense playing lights out. but come on they gave up 23 pts? be serious any avg offense should be able to top that

by TR MacReady on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

24 points in less than 20 minutes.

If the offense hadn’t held onto the ball for so long, the defense would have given up even more points.

by BusterK on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can they both be bad?

Yes. Please come back Earl Bennett. And Gabe. And Daniel Manning. Oh, whoops.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 11, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neither the offense nor the defense are good (the offense is scoring points, and not turning the ball over, so I can’t say it is actually bad).

Lovie Smith’s Bears can win with a bad offense. They cannot win with a bad defense.

by BusterK on Oct 11, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

O-line

I had a nightmare last night where this voice just kept repeating, “False Start, Offense, five yard penalty, still XX down.” over and over in the background.

by Pretender85 on Oct 11, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I had to go throw up after the 88 yd run by Best, so i missed a few mins.

Lions are a good team but really this game was about their biggest strengths matched up with our biggest weaknesses on both sides of the ball. Their D-line is one of the best vs the worst O-line in the league. Our secondary has been giving up big plays vs Megatron.

I totally and completely agree about Hester. I get the idea of getting him the ball in open space, but enough already with the WR screens to him, its painfully obvious he does not recognize when he has a block and when he does not.

I thought the play-calling could’ve been better, though it was hard to tell from all the false-starts and lions in the backfield. I liked the off-tackle runs that took advantage of the way-outside DE’s. But not enough of those and way too many draws, you cant protect Jay in the center of the pocket, how are you gonna do that for Forte and give him a running lane? Thought the gameplan should’ve been similar to last week’s vs CAR, esp after we proved we could run on them.

Briggs isn’t having a good season. I’m sure he was responsible for the cutback on 1st of Best’s big run, and he’s given up a few TD’s in coverage. Specking of, it doesn’t seem to matter who we have at Safety. Someone remind me why everyone (me included) couldn’t wait for the Hit-man to come back. He looked out of place one every DET big play. I’m ready for Conte back there.

The past few games I privately said to myself the sacks, hits and pressure have gotten to Jay. But something happened in this game and he just went off. When Mad Martz gets fired or leaves, Jay needs an OC that will move the pocket and let him roll out. I read last night some thought Jay rolled out, I didn’t see that. I saw Jaw buy time and hit WR’s down the field. Jay was fantastic considering what he had to work with, and one of the gutsiest performances I’ve seen since … I don’t know. But I do know Jay’s tough.

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

This was definitely Jay's best game of the season.

He made plays out of absolutely nothing.

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by badsamaritan on Oct 11, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even with no O-line he gave us a chance to win

I can’t believe people are saying we should trade him. crazy talk

by mooseknucks on Oct 11, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Harris was playing hurt

but he was making rookie mistakes that he normally never makes. I don’t know what’s going on at safety, and I’m not convinced Conte would be an upgrade. He’d be more athletic than Harris, but he doesn’t have the experience to understand the position.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 11, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

The chance at chasing down the guy who got past you

would at least be nice.

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by Kev H on Oct 11, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe tackling him, that'd be cool too.

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by badsamaritan on Oct 11, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

any chance the dolphins hold a fire sale?

if so…can we work a reasonable deal for brandon marshall? i realize the real problem is the o-line, but i think we can all agree by this point that the WR corp isn’t very good, either.

by guy incognito on Oct 11, 2011 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

There's not much you can say to a fan whose team lost

trust me, I know. I was at the game… sitting right next to a Chicago fan… he was a good sport and I enjoyed his company. We all have our turn…. It’s just that right now…. it’s Detroit’s turn. Good Luck Bears!

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by LionsGal652 on Oct 11, 2011 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Just a quick note....

Never trust the broadcasters. Kellen was flagged only once before Gate 68.

Here are the FS flags in order of appearance:
1st series:
Kellen Davis,
Chris Williams (falsely attributed by the broadcasters to Davis, but movement was CW and the refs called 74, not 87)
J’Marcus Webb

2nd series:
Davis

4th series
Webb
Frank Omiyale

9th series
Webb
Chris Conte on the punt.

10th series
Forte

Webb had three.
Davis had two
Conte, Forte, Williams and Omiyale each had 1.

Six players false started. Sickening.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 12, 2011 7:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Should read.......Kellen was flagged only twice before gate 68.

damnit. need to go to bed.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 12, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point stands.

9 false starts. Only one contributed by the guy known for it.

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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 12, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hell, point more than validated.

9 false starts by six different players. Six of them by the plays on the edge. I wasn’t arguing against your point, my friend. I was strengthening it. This was about as undisciplined off the snap as football gets.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 12, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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