WCG Match-Up Post: Grades and Reviews for Week 5
As evil as this sounds, national embarrassments like what happened last night needed to take place for George McCaskey to see the type of product Jerry Angelo is putting on the field. Monday night you saw a team that lacks major talent on the offensive side of the ball. The Bears offensive line is inferior against top level defensive lines, and Jay Cutler doesn't have a reliable receiver outside of Matt Forte and Dane Sanzenbacher to go to. Jerry Angelo and Mike Martz brought in Roy Williams to be the legit #1 primary receiver that the Bears needed, but you are now finding out why Dallas cut him. In the process this might have stunted the development of Johnny Knox who last year started at the X (split end) position. You also have a very flawed offensive system in Martz's version of the Coryell offense that's been well documented here at WCG by our own and outsiders. On the other side of the ball you have a defense that's aging badly with no suitable replacements behind their core players. The safeties are playing undisciplined football, the linebackers are moving in slow motion, and outside of Julius Peppers there's no threat of a pass rush. Dan Bernstein on his show predicted that last night game would be the beginning of the end for this defense, and love or hate Bernstein, that claim looked legit last night.
I'm done with my rant about the direction this team is heading moving forward, but I didn't forget about the grades for the ever disappointing offensive line of the Chicago Bears.
LT J'Marcus Webb Grade F
After coming off two good games in a row, Webb's good streak came to a screeching halt as he might have been the 2nd worst Offensive Lineman out there last night. If Webb wasn't committing false starts he was getting beat around the edge by Lawrence Jackson (yes former Seattle Seahawk bust Lawrence Jackson) or getting out hustled by Kyle Vanden Bosch. This might have easily been Webb's worst game of the season so far, nut at least John Abraham is a top 5 caliber DE; Vanden Bosch is solid and Jackson has some skill but they are not at that caliber. I knew this would be a difficult match-up for Webb, but I didn't expect him to get beat repeatedly like that.
LG Chris Williams Grade D
Williams was alright in pass blocking, but was very putrid in the running department where on traps and pulls he struggled to pick up blocks and found himself on the turf most of times. He really had a hard time against Cory Williams last night and 3 years in the league I think we can finally see Chris Williams' ceiling which is borderline back-up to serviceable starter at OG. Hub Arkush suggested that the Bears kick Williams outside at RT until Gabe Carimi comes back, but we have seen the Chris Williams at OT experience before and it's not a good look.
C Roberto Garza Grade C-
I thought Garza did a serviceable job helping out both the guards against their assignments specifically against Suh. There were times that Suh and Williams was able to knife through the double teams, but overall I thought Garza wasn't as bad compared to his OT teammates.
RG Lance Louis Grade C
I thought Louis was the best Lineman on the field last night, but that honestly is not saying a lot. He contained the best DT in the game in both run and pass blocking at times by himself. He also was put in at RT for the awful Omiyale and slowed down the pass rush coming off the strong side of the line. It will be interesting to see Lance's development going forward. I don't see him as a full time RT, but do think he can develop into a solid starting RG with more time at the position.
RT Frank Omiyale Grade Get the Hell Out Of Football
I never thought I could find an Offensive Lineman worse than Qasim Mitchell. Honestly is Levi Horn that much worse than Omiyale? Frank Omiyale was at his drive killing best with false starts and getting beaten repeatedly off the edge by Cliff Avrill and Willie Young. Not only should this guy not play another down in a Bears uniform, but he should be released immediately. At the very least the Bears should deactivate him to make room for DT Stephen Paea, but with Matt Toeaina's injury Paea most likely will be active on game days moving forward.
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RT Frank Omiyale Grade Get the Hell Out Of Football
by David in Maine on Oct 11, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Louis was surprising
but it’s picking the tallest midget to say he was the best
the line as a whole looked bad, particularly the tackles
Webb, i think, is experiencing growing pains and should be much better going forward. Call me optimistic, but we’ve seen flashes of talent and athleticism…he has potential.
Omi…well…“Get the Hell Out Of football” is an understatement. Putrid. Abominable. Disgraceful. Can’t wait (all due respect, Bart Scott) till we get Gabe Carimi back. At least he can develop…
I’d like to see a few more games before pronouncing this line a total failure…remember, 4 of the 5 starters are well under 30, so there is definitely potential there.
Potential doesn't matter
at this point since their potential is going to get our QB killed. Webb has proved in a year and a quarter that he should have been a swing tackle, not a starter learning on the job, which he would’ve been if Angelo hadn’t decided Gate 68 was anything but a greeter (welcome to the line of scrimmage, my name is Frank, how may I help you kill my quarterback today?).
If its free, take two.
I was all aboard the Potential Bus
But Webb just looks to slow to not get beat around the edge over and over. If this offense, requires Orlando Pace to be successful, then its a stupid offense.
by Sound_Automatic on Oct 12, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
previous games he was fairly decent though
All I’m sayin is that I’d be willing to give him a chance based on youth nd potential
Cutler might not agree, though…
I'm amazed it took that long to bench Omi
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Should've been benched after the first quarter
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 12, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
He WAS benched last week.
I still don’t understand why he was in the lineup this week. I still don’t understand why we didn’t see Spencer/Louis on the right side. It made no sense all week long, it made less after the first 3 snaps, and continued to make less and less sense as the game went on. This was a putrid performance in every possible sense of the word. I’d call it Detroit-esque, but they’re actually good this year.
If Omi is anywhere near the field this week
I may drive to Chicago and Gilooly him myself.
If its free, take two.
They needed Louis inside more because it was their best hope to stop Suh.
Sure enough, the guy didn’t get any sacks on Cutler, though the pre-snap penalty yardage suggests Suh might as well have had three.
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by badsamaritan on Oct 12, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Suh is one person.
Great as he is, I’d rather have 1-2 sacks from HIM than the 3-5 false starts from OmiOle plus a sack or 3 from the outside. Spencer is a better RG than OmiOle is a RT, and that should have been enough to merit him a start, and Louis is better than both of them at either position. Basically, I’d rather be Average at every position than Good at one and Terrible at another.
Sure, we held Suh without a Sack. But the outside damage plus the False Starts from Omi were probably MORE damaging than the 1-2 sacks Suh might have had with Spencer starting.
Should have been cut last season, get Horn out there.
Now trhat our defense has appeared to show their age, we really are in total rebuild mode now. We just have to admit it.
Fire everyone except Toub and Maranelli. Make Rod a coach or get him to call his own system.
Trade Peppers and Briggs and start rebuilding the OL. Make a move for Brandon Marshall. Build from the OL up.
Marinelli was 0-16 last time he was coach. I think I'd leave him at DC
but yes, I think we’ll be in rebuilding mode as soon as the season ends
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 12, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And Lovie was 5-11 in 2004 and 13-3 in 2006.
At this point, Marinelli’s record with a 2008 team is irrelevant.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially since he was benched last week
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I give Webb a smidge more credit
Maybe a D, instead of an F. I think he was more playing awfully as a result of some early jumps and some complete nonsense going on with the Lions DL and the refs not calling neutral zone infractions on the Lions, just a couple of times.
I’d also give Louis a D. Garza did decently, I guess… a C- at best.
All in all, I’d give the OL an F, being dragged down by a “What the hell were you even doing here to begin with” grade for Omiyale, and by general inability to block against the pass rush.
Grading other positions:
QB: A+
RB: A- (one dropped pass, and little effect on pass protection keep it from an A)
OL: F
WR: B (Sanz and Hurd had nice catches. I’d give them an A if not for Hester’s drop and the inability to get open quickly throughout the game)
TE: B- (nice catch, KD, but you didn’t do much in pass protection, and had false start issues)
DL: D
LB: D
CB: B+
S: F
ST: C (It hasn’t been mentioned once in threads post-game about Hester running out of bounds at the 6…)
Hester was tryin to make a play
that was more self-confidence in his physical abilities than bonheaded idiocy.
and personally, if the greatest return-man in NFL history thinks he’s got a chance at a return, I’d tend to give him the benefit of the doubt (notice there weren’t any Lions players near him when he ran out)
It was boneheaded
but I think its more him trying to make a play when he shouldn’t because of our struggles on offense and defense.
If its free, take two.
he running full speed to catch a ball about 5 yards from the sideline
and was unable to turn the corner…not quite boneheaded, but definitely risky
It looked a lot like they were reading the papers before the game.
Certainly in the beginning of the game, they looked scared to be on that field. I’ve NEVER seen a team that jumpy to start a game.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Omiyale looked like his feet were stuck in glue. by the time he was out of his stance, Cutler was either on the gound or running around.
I know Martz doesn’t audible, but Cutler needs to be in a system where he can read the defense and adjust the call as needed. “Hot routes” don’t work when the WR doesn’t turn around, or your hot route is still a 3-5 step drop.
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by BearNecessities on Oct 12, 2011 1:32 AM CDT reply actions
Hot routes work if a play has 'em built in
passes to Davis and Spaeth evidence that.
The problem is, perhaps, that they are not there often enough to matter.
Though, in all fairness to Martz, you can’t expect a 4-man rush to beat you on every flippin down.
The O-line is WORSE...
than it was last season. The Bears need about 6 player upgrades on offense and about 5 on defense. This team is going nowhere fast and would be lucky to get 2 players to upgrade in the offseason, given their track record. The coaches and GM have proven they are not up to the task of building a solid football team. It’s very obvious that if the ST AND defense do not score every game, that this team simply cannot compete with any of the better teams in the NFC. A complete purge is in order from Phillips down to Lovie, but my guess is they all continue to peddle their non-existent game plan for the next 2-3 years. Sit in 2-deep safety looks with no ability to do anything else and destroy the careers of Forte and Cutler behind an offensive line that can’t block 4 guys with their 5 or even 6. This is a sad looking football team and Lovie has NO answers. Sunday night might just prove to be this season’s swan song.
FORTE: PAY THE MAN!
That few? Let me count the upgrades necessary...
CB1
CB2 (I’d be fine if Peanut was here)
SS
FS
SLB
DT
NT
DE2
LT
LG
C
RT (Carimi will make this better)
WR1
WR2 (if Earl Bennett is here, I’m happy)
TE1
That’s 7 defensive upgrades and a defensive switch. That’s 5 offensive upgrades and 2 offensive switches. If I had my way, it’d be 8 defensive upgrades and 7 offensive upgrades. This team is atrocious at almost every position. It needs to be scuttled almost completely (leave my Cutty and Forte alone) and rebuilt pretty much from the ground up.
Angelo has failed for so long that there can be no quick fixes.
We may have to trade away our talent to start that rebuilding process.
There are probably only 3 players that I would consider absolutely untouchable on the current team...
1. Jay Cutler
2. Matt Forte
3. Gabe Carimi
Pretty much everybody else can be traded and/or dumped, and done so ASAP. Maybe we can somehow become Patriots-like in terms of stocking draft picks. I’d much rather have a 2nd and 3rd than Chris Williams. I’d rather have a 1st than Urlacher or Briggs right now. Pep would take a couple of 1sts, but I’d still do that trade. You can’t possibly screw up if you’ve got the volume, right?
I wouldn't trust Jerry with multiple first rounders
How many first rounders do we have on this team that Jerry has drafted…how many are even still playing much less starting
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Well, the first part of this plan is...
DRIVE JELLY ANGELA INTO THE INDIAN OCEAN ON A C-130 CARGO PLANE!!!
Then get The Chin in to do the drafting.
Problem solved.
I guess it depends on "absolutely untouchable"
I wouldn’t see those guys go, but it’d would take a ridiculously favorable trade for me to part with Hester, Peppers, Urlacher, Briggs, or Harris at this point, mainly because we’d be so much more horrible. We need those guys to even give us a chance to be mediocre. A complete garage sale would set us back way too long. Although, I’m sure people that hated the Olsen trade love it now, otherwise he’d be wasted.
If its free, take two.
I'd hate to part with those guys too.
But, if you can swing top 10 picks for Lach and Briggs, and multiple top 10 picks for Pep, as well as maybe a 2nd or 3rd each for Harris and Peanut, I’d be fine with it, given that we FIRE JELLY ANGELA and get somebody who actually has half a clue on how to draft.
The reason I consider those 3 to be absolutely untouchable is the combination of age, talent, and results. CW is borderline, but only b/c we can’t figure out where to slot him. Bennett is borderline, but only b/c he’s the best WR on this team. Everybody else, I can part with if it means rebuilding correctly.
According to recent news
Carimi will still be out v Vikings, which means he’ll probably be out until bye week. Bennett still may need a “few more weeks”, even though, according to Angelo, he didn’t break anything (injury only listed as bruised chest – I find it hard to believe he’d be out this long just because of a bruised chest??!! No clue). Not that Carimi and Bennett will fix all the OL issues, but their absence is certainly hurting the team, as the crapfest on Monday proved.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Can someone refresh my memory..
Was the O-line this bad under Ron Turner?
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
No
but he had a bit more to work with – younger Olin and Garza, Miller and the KC tackle we signed.
If its free, take two.
He was an OC.
Hiestand was the line coach – what has the OC got to do with the line? There was better personnel under Turner’s reign though.
OC oversees the positional coaches
while the head coach oversees the OC – unless your Lovie and you only do it after bye weeks.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Oct 12, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Well if the OC is calling 7 step drops
and clearing the backfield on 3rd and 2, it may have something to do with why the line is so bad. I think it’s bad because of lack of talent but I wonder how much Martz offense has to do with it.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Totally agree with the rant
Dead on
As evil as this sounds, national embarrassments like what happened last night needed to take place for George McCaskey to see the type of product Jerry Angelo is putting on the field.The writings on the wall at this point with this team – we’re up against two young talented teams in our division, have questions almost everywhere, and have no long-term plans with so many aging veterans, potential free agents after this year, and underwhelming young “talent.” We need someone in charge that can turn this around, and a new offensive scheme (again).
If its free, take two.
Another embarrassment next week against another divisional foe and a head might roll *Stares in Mike Martz direction*
by Dominique Blanton on Oct 12, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be all for Mike Tice taking over the offense at this point
and I hate mike tice. So, we’ve reached multiple panic button presses time
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 12, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm depressed
Had hopes for this season. But watching Urlacher and Briggs lumber around like old boars chasing a young sow was grim…
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