Optimist vs. Pessimist: Bears-Vikings Edition
by Sam Householder on Oct 17, 2011 11:00 AM CDT
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There are two ways of looking at most things in life, positively or negatively and the Bears are no different, if not somethings more so. I had a feeling that the mood on here today would be sort of "cautiously optimistic" after our 39-10 shellacking of the Vikings last night. I thought I would explore these feelings with a series of sort of point-counterpoint statements, one being optimistic and one pessimistic. So let's get started:
Optimist: We needed a bad team to get back on track. There's nothing like a bad team to build confidence for a struggling team.
Pessimist: We blew out a bad team.
Optimist: Martz's play calling was great! 32-28 pass-run ratio, I'll take that any week.
Pessimist: But can he do it with any level of consistency.
Optimist: Offensive line played well, this was probably our best Carimi-less OL.
Pessimist: I need to see it against a team that isn't losing horribly. Let's see if they can keep Cutler clean when we're playing from behind and the defense can tee off on us.
Optimist: The wide receivers played well, getting open and catching balls. All in all, Cutler completed passes to eight different players last night.
Pessimist: Wide receivers still weren't great, Hester dropped a pass or two and Cris Collinsworth called Roy Williams' three catches for 50 yards a "break out performance" if 3 catches and 50 yards is a break out performance I don't want to know what positives Collinsworth would say about Frank Omiyale.
Optimist: Kellen Davis was blocking Jared Allen 1 on 1 a couple times and did well!
Pessimist: There was still a couple false starts and Webb got beat a couple times.
Optimist: We still have a chance to get back on track and pick up nine or ten wins, we're moving into the weaker part of the schedule
Pessimist: Eagles could be getting hot and we still are in a hole in the division.
Optimist: Cutler had another good game.
Pessimist: It's easy when you have protection, he was facing a bad defense.
Optimist: Defensive line played well, picked up five sacks and a safety.
Pessimist: Their offensive line was injured throughout the game and with a big deficit our defense could tee off on McNabb/Ponder.
I'm taking the optimist approach this week, what about you? Any other statements I may have missed?
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Optimist: Wright and Conte are the future of our secondary. They both played well, keeping the big plays in front of them and making sure to wrap up correctly.
Pessimist: Wright can’t jump or cover anything, and Conte wasn’t especially instinctive out there. Plus, Hitman is demanding a trade. This can only go down.
Is it bad that I read this as:
Duerrwaechter vs LostinSTL?
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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by Kev H on Oct 17, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Haha. I can't stop laughing at my own joke.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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by Kev H on Oct 17, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Laugh on my friend...
I’ll lol with you
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 17, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll laugh at you...er...your joke
Green’d
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Optimism shall always win
As the dawn shall always conquer the darkness!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That... was surprisingly deep of you, young grasshopper...
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
I’ve grown wise…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
And then lose again every night!...
it’s cyclical that way. Damned rotating earth!
FORTE: PAY THE MAN!
But
The sun always returns for the morning, and we humans ain’t nocturnal lol
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
More like ECD versus NIA/LISTL/anyone that's joined in the last week,
amirite?
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
No
You’re not. Just face it, everyone thinks I’m way more funny than you.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Somebody. Just. Got. BURNED!
And Kev now does his victory dance…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It's only a burn
if he’s actually right. Since he believes I believe I’m funnier than he, he is wrong, it’s no burn, and he loses.
#losing
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Flagged for offensiveness.
Kev, even I know you’re funnier than I am.
You, sir, again lose.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I have reviewed your flag.
And have come to the conclusion that I don’t care.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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by Kev H on Oct 17, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
#losing
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Fight. Fight. Fight. !!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Flagged for trolling, attempting to incite other members into a fight.
:)
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Flag ignored.
I always win.
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No.
No you do not. You might want to quit while you’re… well, semi-behind.
:)
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
....
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Scoreboard.
:)
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
He has the hammer…
His hammer is like Ditka’s stache, you just can’t beat it.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I fear no hammer of Kev's.
And if I did, by the time he used it, no one would ever know if at one time I did fear the hammer.
Stevens don’t fear the hammer, but does the E, the C and the D?
We can be like they are, come on baby don’t fear the hammer…
(/BOC’d)
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, this is just as funny as when we had Manu and that
Oh! The Huge Manatee!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Flag on the play for using the same pic in a thread twice.
Boo this man…
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
by Ditkavsworld on Oct 17, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
.... Sadface :(
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay.
BOOOOOOO!
… But I don’t know why you want to be booed…
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And that there wasn't a Squirrel pic post
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 17, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
And for the record, sir...
Laughing at your own joke, bad form. Bad form, I say.
Seriously.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Dane Cook had a lot of success with it.
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I think that's part of your problem
right there, buddy…
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That I would also like to make a lot of money?
Some problem, eh?
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Nonetheless, the Optimist in me would like to point out that...
Rex Grossman is not our quarterback
by No It All on Oct 17, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm proud of myself
I called that this weekend Rex would have his trademark epic meltdown game
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Speaking of the Sex Cannon
anyone hear Da Coach on Mike and Mike this morning? He couldn’t even remember Rexy’s name it was freaking hilarious.
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
by Ditkavsworld on Oct 17, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer the term "realist"
pessimist sounds so negative.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
How come someone even remotely positive can't be a realist?
After all, with the most extreme optimism and most extreme pessimism, the realism is somewhere in the middle…
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Well evidence suggest
that people who are clinically depressed have a much more accurate view of things. This has led some to conclude that people need a pollyanna view just to deal with life.
It's called being a cynical douche
cynicism is a real thing
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by suckmyditka on Oct 17, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, sure.
And maybe, just maybe, Lovie not wasting timeouts and challenges willy-nilly will be a real thing.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol the first time out taken yester wasn't Lovies fault
Urlacher called that
but i getchya point
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by suckmyditka on Oct 17, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm somewhere in the middle on some of these
Beating a bad team was good, winning the ones you’re “supposed to win” is the way you manage a winning season, but I can’t get giggly about wailing on the Vikes.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I'll feel a lot better if we beat the Bucs, the schedule is less brutal after the bye.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Oct 17, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm keeping it real.
Whenever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft, it changes its call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 17, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Just file it away under
“This Is Just A List Of Things That Are Pissing Me Off.”
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
When keeping it real goes wrong…
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
by Ditkavsworld on Oct 17, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh and Language NSFW.
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
by Ditkavsworld on Oct 17, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
rec'd.... butt
[apparently I have assumed the role of the signature police] if you are going to make jokes about handicapped people, at least spell their name(s) right… it is Stephen Hawking. Just say’in.
I actually took the quote from Mr T tweets on twitter but I'll make sure to update.
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
by Ditkavsworld on Oct 18, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
When Carimi comes back
Am I the only one who would rather him at LT instead of Webb and leave Louis at RT?
Not really
Webb is improving every week in pass protection…once he stops false starting he’ll be okay, but Carimi is a prototypical RT
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Well I get that on a philosophical level
Louis has seemed better at RT than Webb has at LT. While he is improving, nothing has suggested that he is very good.
Webb is definitely not improving "every week..."
He goes up and down like a mammoth yoyo. He played reasonably well last night — and had plenty of help.
Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.
Agreed. Never wanted Gabe at RT in the first place.
He graduated as a LT. Played his entire life as an LT. And now we’re expecting him to shift to RT? It’s like being a righty all your life and suddenly being told you can only write with your left hand. Obviously Gabe has the talent to do it. But I rather like the Spencer/Louis pairing on the right side, and I wanna see how Gabe would mesh with CW on the left.
Carimi was doing alright as an RT before he got hurt
And Webb’s been holding up okay. As we all know, consistency is an offensive line’s best friend. Now that we finally see some progress, why mess with it? I say Carimi goes back to RT when he’s healthy, Louis goes back to RG, and we ride out the season with our originally starting 5. They can only get better from here on out.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Oct 17, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn’t he in a run-heavy offense at college, meaning he’s much more adept at run blocking than at pass blocking? He also said that his coach made him drill at RT in college, too. And Tice wants him at RT.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
I just think that the difference between Webb and Carimi...
Is far greater than the difference between Spencer/Louis and Louis/Carimi. I want our best 5 OL out there, and I’m pretty certain that Webb’s hovering around #6 or #7.
Pessimist: It’s easy when you have protection, he was facing a bad defense.
vikings D actually hasn’t been too horrible… It’s their offense that hasn’t put points on the board. Their Dline has been one of the best in the NFL
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Those ends are pretty good.
Then again, they can’t get through an eight-man-deep pile of bodies that is the Bears’ Max Protection package.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey if it works
Keep doing it
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by suckmyditka on Oct 17, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It was good to see.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 17, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just shocked it took until Week 6 to go with a lot of max protect.
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by badsamaritan on Oct 17, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I should of written
facing a “bad secondary” their D-line is fierce but with out their best DB they were pretty weak back there.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Oct 18, 2011 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
No, you shouldn't of...
…but you could have :D
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Optimist
The gap between Detroit and the Bears isn’t very big, if at all. Take away those missed reads, assignments, and those big plays and they have a chance to win.
Pessimist- the Packers are far and away the best team in the league. The Bears won’t have an answer for them in Lambeau on X-mas.
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Unless they rest a lot of guys...
and have nothing to play for, and we do
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they wont rest their players against the bears
i really believe they would rather play the lions than us
@Sletizia7.... follow me. no really do it.
Yes but imagine if
Aaron Rodgers goes down with a major injury on Christmas Day in Green Bay and is out for the playoffs…do you think GB would risk injury just to prevent the Bears from making the playoffs…especially if we’re playing hard and fired up?
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It all depends on the situation at hand
Its still a long season…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Optimist: The Bears passing game had success getting open sending only 2 WR's in max protection.
Pessimist: It was against a bad Vikings secondary, can they have success next week against a better secondary in Tampa Bay?
by Dominique Blanton on Oct 17, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Pessimist
We’ll see how they stack up versus a team that can actually throw the ball. If recent history is any indication, they’re likely to get burned against a good/decent QB.
I like what I saw from the o-line, say what you want about the Vikings being bad, but they have a couple of good outside pass rushers, and we were winning some one-on-one battles. Yeah the backs and TEs chipped in, but that should be done anyways.
They were the league leaders in sacks coming into the game
Allen and Robison(?) combined for like 13 sacks prior to last night. Not only did our O-line in general play well, our Tackles did extremely well against the best 4-3 tandem statistically in the NFL.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And as bad of a record that the Vikes have
Weren’t they ranked 4th in the NFL in total yards allowed per game?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 17, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Their record is a testament to how bad their offense has become
Their defense is pretty solid, some secondary concerns due to injuries and such, but it’s no pushover. That’s why I was pretty happy about the o-line, and not so much about the defense. Not saying I didn’t like the way we played defensively yesterday, but we obviously we need to see more.
by Midway Bully on Oct 17, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
They allowed 31 points to the Bears.
And only 6 of those were on the ground. The remainder came from a Safety and a KORTD.
Hey, I'm just letting the numbers speak for themselves
There is a lot of pressure on the defense when the other 2 phases are playing like crap.
by Midway Bully on Oct 18, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And I don't know about you
But I’m feeling more giddy than Mike Martz after not having to watch Frank Omiyale play. Didn’t know someone could make such a big contribution by staying off the field.
by Midway Bully on Oct 17, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
In another sign of the apocalypse...
I have to give the o-line a ton of credit in this game. They simply played well and Martz put them in a position to win. Even Webb looked less than crappy! I do have some hope for this offense this season, though I will keep to my side of the cynicism fence. I would like to see this effort next week, win or lose, and I’d be happy. The defense cannot fill many of you with much optimism, but I guess you take what you can get!
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Min has been a solid team.
Prior to this game the biggest loss that they suffered was by 7 to SD and TB only beat them by 4. They held a lead against Det at the half only to blow it. Not a bad team just some bad breaks and some bad play calling.
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