Do you think Jay Cutler is a leader?
I thought I'd double dip in the poll section today. Earlier it was the Mike Martz Approval Rating, and this time I want to know if you think Jay Cutler is a leader. After the F-Bomb heard round the world last week, his leadership was again brought into question. Then after the Viking game it was the Tribune article by Dan Pompei and the rebuttal by our very own Sam Householder that had me wanting to bring this to a poll. A poll you can find after the jump.
Do I think he's a leader? Yes, because his peers believe in him. They've voted him a team captain every year he's been in Chicago. While it's hoped and assumed that the quarterback is the leader of the offense, there's no rule in place that they have to vote him the honor. If he's a D-Bag, his teammates wouldn't vote for him. His teammates all came to his defense after his injury in the NFC Championship game last year. Not only when pressed for a comment by a reporter, but most made a point to vocally voice their support of their own volition.With some celebrities, it's what you see is what you get. Their persona in the public eye is exactly how it is behind the scenes. A guy like Cutler marches to his own beat, he lives his life by a different set of rules than most NFL quarterbacks, and that really ticks some people off.
The only thing that will change the perception of Jay for some fans is winning a Super Bowl. And that's fair. It's a high pressure position in a high pressure environment. If he couldn't take the criticism he wouldn't have played quarterback.
I'm curious how our readers will vote on this subject, and remember it's only his leadership I'm putting to a poll. Not his talent or his mechanics. Do you think Jay Cutler is a leader?
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he said he was a leader right?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
and some are BIG like IKE
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
And some people are trolls and attack other posters personally.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 26, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
the me generation
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
He is, but not in the Tebow, Brady kind of way
Which is okay in my book. He’s accountable when he plays poorly, he doesn’t throw his teammates under the bus, that to me indicates that he’s a decent guy or at least knows how to handle himself in the locker room. He may be a bit of a whiner, but not when it matters.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 25, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
Tebow kind of way?
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by David Taylor on Oct 25, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
"rah rah, I couldn't have done this without every fan and fart from my teammates"
Cutler’s a little more on the quiet confidence side..
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 25, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for fart
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 25, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Whiner perhaps was the wrong word
But his body language has that of a sulker, and that’s where people get their opinions of him from.
Of course guys in the locker room defend him, but how he carries himself goes a long way to paint that picture, not for the media, but for fans.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 25, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's call it "emotionally invested".
Cutty strikes me as the kind of guy who would sulk after losing a game of Smash Brothers, and dance after getting to work without crashing his car. Emotional extremism. Just let him do it.
haha deal
I have no problem with how Jay carries himself, but I can understand the perspective.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 26, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't strike me that way at all
he strikes me as a guy that grew up in a small town where you were judged by what you did, rather than your body language.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I get the small town vibe from him too
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 26, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
As of now its 19-1
Alright, who’s the butthole? Fess up and your sin may be forgiven.
If its free, take two.
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by David Taylor on Oct 25, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I thought it was Steve Young?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 25, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Dilferzilla should stay outa the SB pool
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 25, 2011 11:32 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes
Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Phoenix Coyotes, Arizona Rattlers fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Leading the NFL in swagtangibles
Indifferent?
I get the impression that he’s not really a leader or a follower. He’s going to do his thing, and if people like it, great. If not, then who cares?
I think he’s tough as nails, given all of the B.S. he’s put up with Martz, Lovie, Gate 68, etc, etc.
Yes
I voted this way because it asks if he’s a leader, not actually a “good” leader.
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This isn't an election
and Les didn’t specify on what type of leader he is, but the “C” on his jersey certainly says so.
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Three years running
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 26, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
To clarify
I do think he’s a leader, but it always comes down to winning. Is anyone really regarded a good/great leader if they don’t have victories to back it up? No.
George Washington was a very, very special case- lost many battles, but in doing so spread out the precious British army all over NE and the eastern seaboard before ultimately winning the war through attrition and England’s apathy.
Check out my post-game rant after the NFC title game. You may or may not have remembered it. Very pro- Jay Cutler.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
He gets my vote..,
…because his team backs him. Even when he chews asses. And we only see him do that face to face. Which also says “leadership.” And tell Pompous I said firetruck you.
I don't get the "he's a leader but a bad one" reasoning.
If a person is a bad leader, then who would follow? Who would offer support? Who would come to their aid? Who would listen to the criticism he levies and work to better themselves?
If someone is bad at leading, then that person isn’t at a leader. Period. He either is or he isn’t.
Regarding Cutler, the only thing I have to go on are what his teammates and coaches say about him. The comments by the young receivers, the comments by the veterans coming to his defense when he was getting ripped in the media and other players, his coaches saying how he is in the locker room, his reluctance to to ads because he feels he hasn’t earned the right.
Instead you have people passing judgement based on his body language or his aloofness in front of a camera. I just don’t get it.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 25, 2011 8:50 PM CDT reply actions
play nice
we’re all entitled to our opinions…
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 25, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
true unless deemed to be unworthy
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
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Well done.
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by Ditkavsworld on Oct 26, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Playing devil's advocate here
Why would they say other wise? A QB is the absolute most important position in sports. There’s so much to risk by letting their team, the media, the fans, and the entire country know how they really feel about Jay. I’m not saying it’s the truth, but certainly it’s not an impossibility.
Instead you have people passing judgement based on his body language or his aloofness in front of a camera.
I don’t judge him by anything other than wins, losses, and his overall play.
Leadership: the art of getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it – Dwight D. Eisenhower
Example is not the main thing in influencing others, it is the only thing – Albert Schweitzer
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
Hitler was a leader. Castro, Bin Laden, Hussein......you get the idea.
A pro QB is a leader whether willing, qualified or capable. The job description is leader. Wtf is a teammate supposed to say, Jay sucks at leadership? I’ve never heard a teammate say anything but what a great leader their QB is, You want the truth? Ask those that used to be his teammate or coach. They are much more likely to give a truthful answer to the question than someone in his current locker room.
The idea is that they were all good leaders?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 26, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler is a good leader
And that is all folks!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 25, 2011 8:53 PM CDT reply actions
Personally I rather have Jay lead me
Tha This guy (Great player or not he is still a douchebag here)
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You should seriously send that link to Pompei
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 25, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
he wears his helmet too low…and he frowns and puts his head down when he throws an interception…and he gets on his guys for a dropped ball…and he whines…and he quits…and he hasn’t really deserved the wins in the playoffs…
How can a guy be discredited as a leader by pure speculation? Who else is in the locker room besides the coaches and players, and the practices, that can say he’s not a leader? I’ve never heard anyone close to Cutler say he isn’t a leader. He has grown and matured, even since being traded here. Some people are still stuck in the past, when he did that one thing that one time, and can’t get over it.
Sorry for the weird sentence in the second paragraph
but you get what I’m saying
by Digs D-League on Oct 25, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I have yet to hear anyone from the locker room suggest anything that would say Cutler is anything but a good leader
The players happen to vote for their team captains every year, and in all 3 years Cutler has been here he was nominated to be one of the captains.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Oct 25, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Almost every QB is a captain
The question is, if he wasn’t a QB would he be a captain? There’s so much responsibility for QB that he’s almost forced to be one.
Remember Lovie’s quote after Kreutz left? Something to the effect of “we need other guys to step up and lead.”
"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton
If Lovie had said anything different he would have been run out of town, regarding Kreutz.
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by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't you think it's kind of telling though?
It’s possible that the offense was void of true leaders when he left.
Idk; maybe Jay turned it around this year. On mic’d up, it seems like he’s more involved with being vocal, etc.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
Speculation was that Kreutz wouldn't let Jay lead
there seemed to be some sort of rift there.
by Digs D-League on Oct 27, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 26, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
if Cutler were a bad leader
Do you think Urlacher would publicly stick up for the guy?
Watching Jay get pounded by the Giants and STILL go out there again for a patented 11 step death drop from Mad Martz proves the other quality of toughness.
The man didn’t whine in the post game conferences, takes team mates to task for dropping balls, and finally tell Martz to frack off matches all the needs for a leader at the QB position for the Bears.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Oct 25, 2011 11:38 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
This is probably the biggest tell here, if Urlacher says so, then I tend to believe it.
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by BearNecessities on Oct 26, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Cutler is the perfect leader for the Bears specially given Lovie's player coach approach
I for one love his demeanor.. His almost arrogant attitude towards the media etc. I don’t care for his pouting much but I also understand it as I believe he’s the type that wants to win so badly that when things go south he has a hard time hiding it.. Can you blame someone for wearing their heart on their sleeve? An ya I get the ‘he should pump up an rally his team’ argument but he’s not a Brady or a Manning in that regard.. He never will be.
For years now I’ve likened him to General Patton of WW2.. It’s crazy how many similarities they share. At somepoint I’ll get around to a fan post at it but till then I would like to suggest the moniker ‘old blood an guts’ for Cutler. I think it’s fitting
by edenburnz on Oct 25, 2011 11:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Body language! Pouty!
omg h8 him!
Of course, I voted yes.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Oct 26, 2011 12:12 AM CDT reply actions
I always felt QBs defaulted into a team captain position… but that is besides the point. An insignia on the jersey (or uniform) doesn’t really make someone a leader. Leading is done through action. If that requires having a less than pleasant conversation with a coach, so be it! Lead the way Jay, others are following!
I know this is a Bears site, but I thought this vote would be closer.
With as many negative comments that get dropped in the threads about Jay.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 26, 2011 8:56 AM CDT reply actions
I am one of them
I suppose if you listed him as “good” leader in the poll I may have had a different vote.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
Cutler is absolutely a leader
He’s just got a different leadership style from what people expect out of a quarterback. Everyone expects quarterbacks to be loud and animated on the sideline: getting in people’s faces, taking teammates to task for missed blocks, whooping and hollering when things go their way. Jay just doesn’t do that sort of thing when the camera’s are on him. Instead, he is intently watching the game and supporting the rest of the team, not drawing unnecessary attention to himself. I remember Hanie told the reporters after that NFCC game that when the cameras were not on the sideline, Cutler would go over to him to give him advice and support, but that Cutler respected that he needed time with his own thoughts, too.
From what we’ve seen for the past couple years, Cutler’s leadership style has (at the very least) not hurt the Bears at all, and has in fact helped them a lot.
Just win, Jay
I couldn’t care less if Jay says the … gasp… F-word.
People who waste time with Jay’s use of language should be watching Nickelodeon, not the NFL. Just sayin’
I can definitely see why some people think he's a bad leader......
But everyone has a different way of leading and Jay is no different. I think in sports people are accustomed to the “rah-rah” type of leader and that’s how we’re supposed to perceive leadership. Jay has his own style of being a leader. From various coaches and team mates, he’s the first guy in the building and the last guy to leave. He studies and works hard at what he does, he does get on his team mates when they do something wrong but he is also full of praise for them when they do something right. He has become more involved with the game-plan and this is helping the offense succeed. Yes a ‘C’ on your chest doesn’t make you a leader but being voted a team captain on a veteran team all 3 years he’s been a Bear says that he’s a better leader than he’s given credit for.
But the one thing that he’s always done is take criticism for the offense’s play. He never throws anyone under the bus and he never shy’s away from responsibility. He knows when he plays terribly and is the first one to admit that he and the offense left points on the board and that he should’ve done a better job executing. He takes responsibility for himself and his guys and that’s leadership.
by frenchbears113 on Oct 26, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions
Leadership
Jay shows his leadership every time he gets up and goes back to the huddle and calls Martz" next play/

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