The Mike Martz Experience
It is unusual for me to make a fan post on the site of another team. It is doubly unusual for me to do this at WCG considering that I am not the most popular of "trolls" here on your site. I seem to regularly get my posts deleted, even when I am being nice. Nevertheless, I am going to take a chance on this and see how it goes.
The Bears and Lions have a common thread between them. We seem to like sharing coaches. I can understand the decision to bring Rod Marinelli to the Windy City. He is a good defensive coach, even if he was in a bit over his head as a head coach in Detroit. I am not surprised to see Rod have success with the Bears defense given that the Bears have some very fine players on that side of the ball.
The point of my discussion is more about Mike Martz. I am going to go on record that I really dislike the man. I feel that he is directly responsible for the dysfunction of the Detroit Lions that led to the infamous 0-16 season. I will impart this tale to you after the jump so that you can see how it relates to the Bears.
First, I will apologize for the long post. I have a lot to say about Martz. So I might as well get to it.
I see Mike Martz as an evil genius. There is no dispute that his offensive system is complex and beautiful when it can be executed well. We have all seen the highlight reel performances from his years with the St. Louis Rams. The "Greatest Show on Turf" was an awesome spectacle that challenged the conceptions of NFL norms and helped to reinforce the momentum toward a pass happy league that was started by the success of the American Football League teams after their merger into the NFL.
The success of the Martz system in St. Louis was a perfect storm. He had a beautiful blend of talent to implement his mad designs. It all starts with an extremely talented offensive line. The Martz system usually requires minimal blocking schemes with lots of receivers going out on routes.
The largest requirement is having a top tier offensive tackle that can protect the blind side of the quarterback. Since the QB will be expect to make a lot of deep drops into the pocket, the pass rushers will have extra time to get to pressure the passer. You will need the pressure from the back side to be contained so that the QB can allow his receivers time to get into their proper places. Orlando Pace was Martz's savior with the Rams.
The Bears currently do not have anybody on the roster that can perform at this level. In order for the Bears to secure a Pro Bowl quality left tackle they will have to suffer a very bad season and get a very early draft pick. I am not even sure that the 2012 draft class has a left tackle of sufficiently high quality to merit such a pick.
One of the reasons for the deep drop by the quarterback is that Martz loves to run plays that develop slowly. Consequently, you need at least two receivers that have very good speed so they can get to their spot as quickly as possible with some separation. Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt filled this role in St. Louis. If you do not have very fast receivers that can get separation, then the quarterback must hold the ball a very long time and give the pass rushers even more time to get to him.
Players like Devin Hester and Johnny Knox have enough speed, but lack the overall route running and timing skills that wide outs need to prosper in the Martz offense. To make the Martz offense work, you will need at least two new receivers in Chicago that have excellent speed and route running abilities. That is assuming that Hester or Knox do not develop to fit the role, of course. Dane Sanzenbacher is a fine young receiver, but I do not think he has the speed to stretch the field the way that Martz prefers, so he would settle into a more conventional possession receiver role.
Now add in that Martz requires a quarterback that can deliver a ball in the right place and on time in a large variety of timing routes. Some of the routes are fairly long, so they also need a pretty strong arm. The Martz offense places a heavy premium on a hyper accurate game manager.
Jay Cutler definitely has a strong arm, but he was never known as a hyper accurate quarterback. His interception numbers have always indicated that he has a tendency to miss the timing or accuracy on his throws. He is more of a gunslinger than a game manager with a hyper accurate arm. While Cutler can fill the role that Martz requires he will not be playing to his strengths. Cutler would be much better in a clean pocket with time to make decisions because Jay can rely on his strong arm to force throws under pressure, that turn out to be bad decisions.
You have also probably seen Martz messing with Jay Cutler's passing mechanics in order to improve is accuracy and release. That experience is not always successful. Martz completely wrecked Drew Stanton in Detroit and nearly ended his career in the NFL. Since Mad Mike has left the Motor City, Stanton has managed to show he is a legitimate NFL quarterback despite the depredations of Martz. The machinations of Mad Mike cost Stanton the first three years of his NFL career.
The Bears are fine at running back with Matt Forte. He fits all of the qualities that Martz prefers in a running back. Whenever Martz remembers he has a running back, that is. Forte is the saving grace for the Bears offense with the current personnel in place. He gives Cutler a place to throw the ball when the other receiver struggle to get open. Forte also runs the ball well and forces the opposing defense to play honestly against the run instead of pass blitzing on every down.
In order to make the Martz Experience work for you, the front office has to be heavily committed to getting the players that Mad Mike needs for his offense. He will not be flexible about it and learn to fit players into his system by adapting. He will discard players that do not fit, ala Greg Olsen. That means that if a team wishes to make his system work you have to make a total and compete commitment to Martz and allow him to make personnel decisions. If you are not willing to do that, the Martz Experience is doomed to failure.
Another problem with Martz is that the experience with him is like being addicted to pain killers. While you are in his influence the problems with your offense are often disguised, but you ignore them because he makes it all seem good when you see those big passing numbers. Then you come down from the high and realize you are living in fantasy.
Like most experiences with drug addiction, the withdrawal can be painful. It is also much easier if you stop taking the drug as early as possible. As a Lions fan, I have to admit that I would love for the Bears to keep Martz around a couple more years. The longer you have him, the more dysfunctional your organization will become as he consistently creates anger and conflict internally. He always causes the locker room to split into opposing camps. As a human being, however, I urge the Bears to get rid of the cancer as quickly as possible and salvage what you can.
This FanPost was written by a Windy City Gridiron member, and does not necessarily reflect the ideas or opinions of its staff or community.
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Well thought out post and well executed. More of this please.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 5, 2011 9:50 PM CDT reply actions
Seconded. I may have even thrown a wreck its way.
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Great post!
I would expect myself to find more pleasure in seeing the Bears suffer under this madman, but I can’t bring myself to wish the nightmare on anyone! There’s a lot of talent on this team and if Lovie can step up and make him listen it could get scary.
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Well written but...
No need to point out things that we already know..
Oline sucks..check
No top wr…check
Martz maniac…check
I will argue about the mechanics though, his mechanics improved in the offseason.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance this week over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
I am not sure if my goal was to inform you about your team...
I am pretty sure that most of you know the Bears better than I do. So trying to give you some new info there was sort of a fools errand. I was more interested in doing what Kev H said. I wanted to tell you what I was seeing from the outside, given the past experience we have with Martz in Detroit. I thought that would give you a chance to compare notes and see is we are all seeing the same thing here. I fully admit that I might be seeing some of this wrong, but I would never know that unless I put it out there for you guys to correct.
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
I want off the Mike Martz ride
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You're wrong about one thing.
Mike Martz is not an evil genius.
He’s a mad scientist.
The main difference? I do not believe that he’s purposefully attempting evil deeds. But he experiments with everything I can possibly think of, and does it in the most insane way possible. He is not purposefully attempting to end people’s careers or destroy a team. He does things his own way, and that way is batjunk insane.
Na na na na na na na na nah
BATJUNK!
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by Kev H on Oct 6, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That made me LOL
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
I think Martz really doesnt have a choice
He must balance this offensw or Cutler will get killed, the Bears will lose, and Martz will get canned. This offense has talent, there’s no denying that. If Martz could play to their strength every game than you could potentially see a team right there in the mix with Green Bay and Detroit. If not, the Bears are still in the mix but its with Minnesota for basement dweller.
I hope for the Bear’s fans sake, they either get Martz to figure it out or can him. There’s nothing worse than seeing a team lose a game when their defense played lights out and their offense got shut out. Those make up for some long Sundays lemme tell ya’.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Oct 6, 2011 11:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I agree that teh Chicago experience with Martz is a bit different from the Detroit experience...
The Bears have the beast running back that Detroit did not have. In a sense that makes the Martz experience even more frustrating for Bears fans than it was for us. The tendencies o Martz to go pass happy will have a more dire impact on the Bears than it had on the Lions. In a very real sense, Martz is giving away the chance to win the game when he ignores Matt Forte. At this point in time, Forte is easily the Bears most potent offensive weapon. I am not sure he was hurting the Lions all that much when he ignored our running backs at the time.
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
He also had a good Roy Williams to throw to, we don't really have a receiver like that.
Unless Roy decides to show up big next Monday.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Oct 6, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
True that.
Sadly, I suspect that the Roy Williams that you are seeing now is what he will be. It seems like he has settled his mind into some kind of shell where he keeps telling himself he is good, but he isn’t willing to put in the work to actually be good. The Lions had FDR (First Down Roy) when he still had some motivation left.
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
I was hoping for Roy Williams to propose a New Deal in his time here.
Feels like instead we got a Raw Deal.
(FDR’d)
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec for FDR'd
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 6, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
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The one game he played uninjured against the Falcons was pretty good.
Then it was a combination of drops and bad throws against the Packers and only one target against the Panthers.
I have no idea what to think of him in this offense. It’s sad, but I hope he at least gets last years Cowboys production at this point.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
I would rather have Martz gone,then Cutler ruined. I’ll stick with the first, good riddance Mad Mike.
by transylvanian bear on Oct 7, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I just wanted to say:
That I thought the Mike Martz Experience meant you’d spend more time getting knocked on your back than your mom.
That’s right, keepin it classy.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Oct 6, 2011 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL
Sometimes the truth is a bit tough on the backside.
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That's right, I go for the easy jokes.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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Like your mom?
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dorthey Mantooth is a saint!
Happier than a pig in shit that I was wrong about Matthew Stafford since 2009!
Go Lions, Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons!
But what about Manhands?
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The only reason you got in a dig, was from the gaping hole I left for you.
Which kinda reminds me of your mom!
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Oct 6, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trebek, what's the difference between your mother and a chicken?
I forget the rest, but your mother’s a whore.
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by Steven Schweickert on Oct 6, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s the sound your mother made last night.
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
This is why we keep you around.
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
That and the nachos I make I figured.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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Well yeah, but I thought that was a given.
Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.
So true on Drew Stanton.
Thats the main reason, I dislike Martz. Cause if Stanton had become our starter he would have been very productive.
"You simply cannot escape it. It's everywhere. There is a feeling the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. Emotions are high. Morale is climbing. People, once again, have something to talk about other than how disastrous our financial situation is and the collapsing of modern society." - Yahoo sports blogger.
I think you're better off with Stafford.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
I agree.
But it still pains me to see a possible NFL starter potential ruined
"You simply cannot escape it. It's everywhere. There is a feeling the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. Emotions are high. Morale is climbing. People, once again, have something to talk about other than how disastrous our financial situation is and the collapsing of modern society." - Yahoo sports blogger.
Miami could use one right about now, maybe they'll trade a corner.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Oct 6, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldnt take anyone from Miami for Stanton right now ha
"You simply cannot escape it. It's everywhere. There is a feeling the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. Emotions are high. Morale is climbing. People, once again, have something to talk about other than how disastrous our financial situation is and the collapsing of modern society." - Yahoo sports blogger.
Ahem... I would take Jake Long for Stanton in a heartbeat.
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
Miami has some good players
I am not going to bother listing them, but there are a lot of good players down there, especially on defense.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
touche'
I didnt think that over
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i tried saying the other day on WCG but i got blasted for being a troll.
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When Mike Martz is good.
Martz is REALLY GOOD.
When he gets into a funk. I, and Jay Cutler, want to run and hide.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
I'm gonna stick up for Mike Martz here...
It’s really easy to downplay Martz’s work in St Louis because his offense was stacked. But if you’re going to do that, be fair.
(1) Just because your offense is stacked doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed to have the best offense in football, yet Martz’s Rams were #1 in pts and #1 in yards for three straight years. Look at teams like the Chargers when they had everybody, or how stacked the Cowboys or Texans have been in recent years, or even the Eagles or Falcons this year. Stacked offenses underachieve all the time, yet Martz’s Rams were historically dominant for three straights years, won a Super Bowl and nearly got another.
(2) If you’re going to downplay Martz’s talent in St Louis, then give him credit for working with crap talent elsewhere. In Detroit, he was working with Jon Kitna, Kevin Jones, Roy Williams, and Mike Furrey. The year after Martz left, the Lions went 0-16, and none of those guys have held down starting jobs afterwards. In San Francisco he started with JT O’Sullivan, Frank Gore, a 36-year-old Isaac Bruce, Bryant Johnson, and Vernon Davis. In Chicago he’s had a terrible offensive line and terrible receivers.
I guess between O’Sullivan’s replacement, Shaun Hill, and Gore and Vernon Davis you could argue Martz should’ve done better in San Francisco, but Martz’s scheme doesn’t include tight ends, and Davis hadn’t shown anything receiving-wise in his two years prior to Martz’s arrival. The 49ers went from dead last in yards and pts the year prior to Martz to 23rd and 22nd respectively in Martz’s only season.
Martz is just not the guy for this team (just not that into him)
We do not, nor have we ever had the personnel to implement his offense. Nor does his style mesh with the talent we do have.
Lovei: “We get off of the bus running”
Martz: “Hi. I’m Maike Martz”
That inherent conflict has led us to be a team trying to do both, but doing neither well.

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