Gabe Carimi should not move to Left Tackle
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintI'm not saying ever, I'm just saying the Bears shouldn't make a mid-season swap. If J'Marcus Webb was playing 'Gate 68' bad, then it'd be a different story, but Webb isn't physically over matched at left tackle. The majority of his mistakes can be corrected with better technique and through experience. Putting Gabe Carimi at left tackle now would do more harm than good. Unless you're getting reps at both sides of the line as a backup swing tackle, it's just too uncomfortable of a move to make on the fly. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying it's not ideal.
I agree with Sam about keeping the offensive line as it is for the next game. Part of that is because I think it's better to give Carimi an extra week off for his knee, and part of that is because having his first game back after a long layoff to be in Philly would be a tough go for the rookie. Give him an extra week, then if he's 100% and ready to start they can let him have his first game back be a home game.
Coming out of Wisconsin, most scouts tabbed Carimi as an NFL right tackle or even a guard. I think the evaluations of him kicking in to play guard was more along the lines of scouts just covering their bases if a team were to go that route. He has tackle size and tackle feet, and unless you have two real good tackles in place already, a move inside to guard would never happen. Now for the record, I think he could play left tackle in the NFL. And in my opinion, the Bears having Carimi play RT with Webb moving to LT was the wrong move to make. Maybe with a full off season of OTA's they'd have had more time to evaluate the two, but that's what they decided and they have to live with it for at least the remainder of this season. For the sake of continuity and for allowing the line to gel you want to make as few moves as possible with the starting 5.
I'll argue that the offensive line is the position that's most important to have continuity in. You have to get a feel for what the guy next to you is doing. Double teaming a d-lineman, then releasing off to pick up a 2nd level defender takes time to master. It takes time to have confidence in the guy next to you to know when it's ok to release. It's not like you have time to ask the player next to you; "Do you have full control of this guy, as I'm about to release him to your control and peel off for this scraping linebacker." It's all about feel. It takes time to know how far inside a defender can slant before you have to help out. Passing off a stunting d-lineman while knowing when to look for the looping defender is something that you just get a feel for.
Flipping sides at tackle is a tough move mid season, again I'm sure you can find instances where it worked, but it's just not ideal. Even though Carimi played the left side in college, the NFL is a new set of challenges. The last few months he's gotten accustomed to the right side, a move back to the left would require some getting used to. The stance is different, the kick step angles are different, the hand placement is different, the pass protection help you have to be prepared for comes differently, the assignments are different, the line calls are different, and getting used to Chris Williams on the right would be an adjustment too. Gabe Carimi may be the exception that can step in and seamlessly do it, but with the Bears still in the playoff hunt, I don't think they'll want to take a chance.
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This is an outstanding article
Gabe Carimi is a talented O-lineman, don’t get me wrong. But, J’Marcus Webb is starting to develop at LT, and the last thing we need is to make any major changes to our O-line. The only change I really would be comfortable with is Carimi returns to RT with Lance Louis returning to RG, giving us the original starting 5.
Also, if we are so very concerned with Carimi’s knee, then why on Earth would you want to throw the guy in at LT? He’s finally able to practice and people want the Bears to just switch him outright? That would be a very bad idea, at the least. Leave a healthy Webb at LT who’s getting better as the season goes on, and return Carimi at RT, where he has his best chance to excel.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
Id make that move in a heart beat
Webb cant play period i dont no were u see any upside to webb.Carimi would be way better than him.He played that LT in colledge for petes sake.
Carimi played LT in a run-heavy offense at Winsconsin
He was not asked to drop back and protect his QB nearly as much as he would in this offense. And Webb is getting better as the season goes on. Let him develop, it takes time for players to develop properly and to a high level.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
yes sir, and Carimi wasnt going against NFL caliber DE's every week either
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
perhaps not EVERY week...
but weren’t a few of the DEs he did see in college drafted in the first few rounds of the NFL? Carimi is a better overall talent at tackle (R or L) than Webb. The question is are the Bears more interested in making Carimi the starter at RT for the future or put the best talent at the positions of biggest need. I don’t know if there is an easy answer to this.
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Well to be fair Carimi played against Adrian Clayborn, JJ Watt in practice, Ryan Kerrigan and Cameron Heyward a few times a year.
Those guys aren’t exactly slouches so far into their young NFL careers so Carimi has played against good competition but as you all have so elegantly put it he was a run-first LT so I agree about keeping him at RT
by frenchbears113 on Nov 1, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He should be playing in a run-heavy offense with the Bears too.
I agree with the article and your thoughts, but I’m not impressed with Webb at all… and hate the left side of the line with the W boys over there.
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by jameslcrockett on Nov 1, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I never went to "colledge"
but I did go to COLLEGE, and I know that playing LT the NCAA and playing LT in the NFL are too completely different animals. In college you go against a great pass rusher maybe 1-2 times a year; in the NFL it’s every single week. If college success is such a great indicator of NFL success, then how do you explain Danny Wuerrfful?
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
*Two.
And yes, you’re absolutely right. Especially as a rookie, in a short preseason, after injury. It’s too risky to do anything THIS week. Give him a week of good practice.
Besides, you have a known quantity right now. Knowing what you have is much better than guessing what could be.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 1, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Or any Heisman quarterback for that matter. It is a death mark.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Id say I have to agree with you.
Even from the beginning of the season I wouldnt have started him at left tackle. Left Tackle is not a position in which you can bring a rookie in and expect him to protect every time. Ive seen very few tackles drafted as left tackles and are good to go from day one. I do think that he could be moved eventually as well. give it time
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
Careful, Les - you're gonna get lynched by the "Carimi is Our Savior" mob
Nah, seriously, I agree with you 100%. Putting Carimi on the left side now would be putting him back to Square 1 – against DEs that are in mid-season form. Not a good formula. Webb needs improvement, but he hasn’t been horrible. Continuity is the only way the o-line will get better.
Next year, though? I’m all for Carimi at LT. At least he’ll have an off-season to learn.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
Lol your gonna waste this yr with him not playing there but
Next year your gonna try to play him there..UMMMMM not a good idea webbs getting cutler killed u might need a QB next yr if u dont protect him good enough this yr.
Cutler's sack total is way down compared to last year. He's only been sacked a couple of times in the like 5 times in the last 3 games
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
UMMMM, the Bears have given up 10 fewer sacks this year with Webb at LT
and you think Cutler’s getting killed? And why would we we waste a year by not playing Carimi at LT this season? He’s in his first year in the NFL and he’s already gotten some starting experience. If his career goes as projected, he’ll be playing for the next ten years at least. PLENTY of time to have him learn the LT spot. What makes you think Carimi can just slide over to LT in the middle of the season and instantly be awesome?
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I would argue
That Cutlre is as responsible as Webb for at least a couple of the sacks that casual observers will blame on Webb. Got to get the ball out.
Reason u got 10 less sacks is cause culter told martz off
He told martz he needs toget rid of the ball faster than before thats a no brainer.
Whatever the reason for the decline in sacks
the fact remains that Webb isn’t making the o-line worse than last year. I agree, he’s not very good, but he’s not horrible. That’s no reason to switch up the o-line to have Carimi learn a new position in the middle of the year (and a going from a college LT to an NFL LT is essentially a position change).
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If carimi is not ready then fine but
Webb is very bad if hes not getting beat hes getting called for to many penalties.
So you'd rather have "False Start" Frank Omiyale at LT?
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope. Carimi. If he's 120% healthy.
Gate 68 should not be on an NFL roster.
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As much as I hate the Slack...
I also respect them enough not to wish such an atrocity upon them.
I want every Bears/Slack game to be the greatest game ever.
The greatest game ever does not come from a 62-0 blowout. It comes from (IMO) a 10-7 slugfest filled with vicious defensive play and one last desperate drive for the game. Bears winning, of course.
For that to happen, the Slack need to be exactly one half step behind the Bears in terms of on-the-field production.
The rivalry would get excessively boring if we blew them out of the water every single year. It’s at its most interesting when both teams are great and (like last year) the two teams are slugging it out for the Black and Blue Division.
Plus, as much as I hate them, I also don’t want them to go away. The Bears kinda need the Slack to stay relevant. Just like the Slack needs the Bears. Out of the 3 other teams in the NFC North, they’re the one that I do NOT EVER want to see moved or dissolved. It’d get real boring real quick without a legitimate rival to contend with.
Thank you Kev, here’s one for the Kevster as Packers GM.
by transylvanian bear on Nov 1, 2011 4:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
...Are we really asking Kev to be a worse GM than Jerry Angelo?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Another issue
If he can be very good at right tackle and only average at left (its an opinion, but one that’s been put out there a lot) then that’s where he should be. You win games with mismatches, and I’d rather put him in a position to create one.
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 1, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont understand why uwanna move Lance to rg
When u have spencer there playing great and probly better than lance can play.
Again, lets not assume that Spencer is the better player
When Lance has only had 1 start this year at RG before he got hurt. If hes able to perform as well as he has had at RT, then returning him to his natural spot at RG would help him develop into a beast.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Louis has a lot of potential and I think he could play either spot
however I agree with him going back to guard where his natural position is. Or here is an idea! Lets let Tice figure this one out!
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
NO!!! We're the fans! That means we know more than the coaches!!
Rabble rabble!! Start Hanie!! Rabble!!
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, lets start Hanie and put Hurd as our number one reciever
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
Forget Hurd
Cut all our receivers and sign Terrell Owens to a multi year contract!!!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Meanwhile we should trade Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs to the Cardinals for their 1st round draft pick
And if that ain’t enough, send Peppers over there too with Cutler as a bonus!!!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like we have been eating crap for so long that we think hamburger is steak
Our offensive line is the worst in football. It looks a little better when we run an scheme where turnstiles could serve as guards. If Carmini is ready, there are plenty of people on our line worthy of replacement.
its actually not the worst in football, I assume that you are just used to saying that week after week
Right now our O-line is playing very well. Most teams O-line wouldnt perform well if they had Martz calling plays
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
If the Bears had the worst o-line in football
they wouldn’t be ranked 16th in total offense. I think the description you’re looking for is “mediocre.” And I’ll always take mediocre over whatever the o-line was last year.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
yep, just imagine if we had a coordinator that fit our players skill sets. Martz = Bad Oline
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
What skillsets?
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 1, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
if you have a below average O-line than you have to get rid of the ball quicker or call more run plays
thats why our offense looked better the last couple of weeks. Forte is a beast and our o-line is better with the run, therefor you call more run plays due to the skillset of the oline
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
Lester's diagram from a couple of weeks ago sums it up
Our tackles can’t hang for the length of a seven step drop. The angle is too steep and the distance to the corner is too far. They can manage a 3 and 5. So that’s what they’ve done, and even with fewer receivers to throw to, Jay has done better. Look and teams that have qbs that hold onto the ball a long time (cough cough, pittsburgh) and you see terrible stats for the o linemen. The upper management can use this to their advantage by getting our tackles to sign very reasonable long term deals followed by canning Martz. Then there will be a mysterious sudden bump in the pass blocking efficiency stats.
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 1, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His style would match our skill-sets if the offensive line was decent
Martz calls a stretch the field, send’em deep type of offense. His style plays right into the strengths of our offenses biggest weapons: Knox, Forte, Hester, and Cutler. The problem is that style of offense requires 3 seconds of protection to let players spread the field and get deep.
by SenatorSteve on Nov 1, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the key.
When you think ‘skillset’ I see Skill Positions. RB’s that can catch, WR’s who are fast and shifty (and run good routes?), and a QB who has a feel for timing and accuracy (his cannon is a nice to have though).
The problem is, there is no timing when the o-line decides to go bottoms up.
Stick any OC in there, the o-line will still suck, just like it did with Ron Turner in 09. Do you remember that year? The year GATE68 was at LG? S*itty Guard? Yes, he had less sacks, but he was also not as productive as he has been lately as well. Quick developing routes are good with Cutler’s reflexes, but, really the majority of the play is on the o-line to hold at least long enough for basic plays to develop.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 1, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I didnt play any teams, the Bears did! and no,
if you would actually read some of our comments and realize that the reason our o-line is not up to par all the time is because of the coaching staff and play calling
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
I hope you mean cant, and your right if you mean you cant coach what u dont have.
The Bears may not have 5 pro bowl caliber Lineman but they are all good enough to get the job done. Its the fact that there has been no continuity in positions
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
Its better than last years' group
Thats for damn sure.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't see this as...
an either/or question. IMO, Carimi is a better tackle (right or left) than Webb. I am not confident that Webb will ever be more than mediocre at LT or RT. Carimi is likely to be the best RT the Bears have had in recent memory. He could be great at LT or just OK, I haven’t seen enough to make a reasoned judgment. Louis has played better in the last few games, but I cannot say I’m sold on his continued improvement just yet. I still think the Bears need an above average tackle to pair with Carimi and I hope that Webb develops into that reliable swing tackle that I see him as. Louis may be a starter at guard going forward or he could also be a solid role-player as a back-up guy at 2-3 spots on the line if the Bears got a great interior o-linemen. The continuity argument is a bit of a red herring, and if Carimi isn’t in the lineup it’s because they do not believe his knee is healthy enough to play. Carimi is, by far, the best o-lineman the Bears have on their roster and no argument of continuity makes much sense if it keeps him on the bench.
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yeah, but you could say the same about other situations as well.
Brady is one of the best QB’s of all time and he wasnt seen any other than a back up until Bledsoe got injured and he got his shot.
How about a Carimi pancake for your A$$
Would you start Hanie...
over Cutler because he might just be the next Tom Brady? Of course you wouldn’t and for good reason. The “Tom Brady” argument is an anecdote of absurd proportions. For every James Harrison or Marquez Colston, there are hundreds of guys bagging groceries or playing semi-pro ball in Omaha. This situation is not about the HOF potential of Webb, he’s not that good, nor will he ever be.
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Never say never, but I would agree that if he hasn't panned out yet, he probably won't within the next couple of years.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Continuity is the key this season
We’re not going to pick up a Pro-Bowl LT this year. Webb is all we’ve got and Carimi is not ready for LT, IMO. Carimi should stay at RT until the season is over (and only play when he’s healthy). Having the o-linemen play together is the only way to improve their performance RIGHT NOW. After the season we can decide to pull the plug on the Webb experiment, but not now.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to agree...
for the most part about Webb being the best option at LT “right now”. I am making the point that Louis should not be the RT when Carimi is healthy enough to play again. I don’t think Carimi should be the LT right now and that decision has more to do what the Bears do in the off season than anything else.
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I misunderstood - my bad
I have no problem with replacing Louis with Carimi (when he’s healthy).
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. Now, please stop posting. I feel my gridiron intelligence drop each time I stumble across one of your uninformed comments.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
by Spongie on Nov 1, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Both of you play nice...
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I would argue that Webb and Louis are the most important linemen in the running game.
For all the props that Spencer is getting he is the guy who barely gets his guy on most of the big runs we saw over the last month. It has been Louis and Webb who run about knocking guys over (if you don’t believe me go watch the tape).
Hmmm...
I seem to remember Spencer leading the way on a lot of Forte’s big runs. I’ll admit I haven’t re-watched the games, but I thought Spencer was playing pretty well.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the guards usually pull, so I'd think he'd be doing alright as a run blocker, but I am not sure.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah there is a lot of running backwards and forwards
Spencer tends to arrive a little bit late and does enough to spring Forte. However none of us have the playbook or all 22 tape so it is a bit of a guess no matter how much you go back and forth. When guys get knocked over you can normally see who did it and it is mainly Webb and Louis. I would say Spencer has been doing the things that left everybody slightly underwhelmed when Garza did them but for some reason Spencer gets credit whilst everyone wanted an upgrade over Garza.
Frankly I don’t get why folk aren’t generally a bit more impressed with Louis this season (there seems to be contingent of anti-Angelo types that want him to fail).
agreed
Spencer has been average, and I doubt will ever be able to transition to center. I live in Seachicken country, and knowledgeable fans out here always complained about his ability to make line calls. Making his task a bit simpler by having him play guard was a good idea; one that I’m sure his own ineptitude at center proved in practice as much as Garza’s relative competence. So you’re dealing with a depth guard, except for 3 million a season. Not great; I have no idea why folks are as up on him as they are. Louis’ performance against Suh was all the evidence I needed for which lineman is the most talented. We must try to develop this.
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 1, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Great article sir
Is Carimi the LT of the future? Maybe. But he certainly shouldn’t be the LT of next week
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by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet we still rightfully make fun of Frank Omiyale....
Er..Omi Ole! …
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I must say I am surprised to see so many posts about how Webb has potential
The fact is he is our weakest Offensive Lineman starting on the line and week in and week out I see him getting beat on the same moves. The outside speed rush and the cutback swim right into the quarterback. My only question about this whole thing as late as it may be is Chris Williams did not look as bad when he started left tackle for us. I remember him being solid his last six starts of 2008 was it? In 2009 he had a bad pre-season and a lackluster start to the regular season but using my own eyes he was playing the position better than Webb has all year.
While I don’t think Gabe should move to left tackle anytime soon I think we need to make a serious push next year for a future left tackle. I just don’t have faith in Webb.
C Williams is playing pretty good at LG so you wouldn't see him move there ever again unless the guard crop is much stronger than the Tackle crop next year.
I am wondering about the viability of Louis playing LT. He is probably close to the strongest Lineman we have, has played well throughout the line and has knowledge of tackle play. I know RT is not the same as LT, but it isn’t the case of LT=pass blocker and RT=run blocker anymore. If he has the skills to play RT than he might have it for LT. He just needs to practice with the footwork.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Oh I agree with you
I think C-Dubb has played very well at guard this year and think he has finally found his spot. Also Louis has been a huge boost to us. I have to admit I questioned his work ethic but he has proven me wrong. I wouldn’t say he’s been dominant but he’s been very solid replacing Gate 68…thank god.
Yeah, I didn't like Louis much up until recently. I am finally getting why the coaches like him.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I wouldnt move williams from his spot hes finally playing decent
You dont wanna mess things up with him just leave him be.
Williams is pretty good in pass protection this year
and blocking in line. What puzzles me a bit is that last year he was starting to wipe guys out on the perimeter but this year often whiffs completely on the same blocks that were his strength last year.
Really?
I’ve noticed the opposite this year.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He isn’t as sure finding targets outside the tackle box as he was last year. He throws some incredible blocks at times – on Forte’s TD run against the Vikes he slips between the DTs and then walls off the 3 technique in a move reminiscent of the matrix movies. As I said his pass protection has been pretty good so far and he seems far more comfortable blocking inside (often Tom Thayer or similar would talk about getting used to the faster speed inside and I think he has this down) but it is a bit odd how he seems lost doing what made me think he had a decent future at guard last year. Then again last year he was mauling guys so maybe more of a regression to the mean than being bad.
just a quick edit
mauling guys on sweeps and so forth. He is way better than last year on the less exotic blocking schemes. (is a power sweep exotic or old school nowadays?)
Coppola teams still do it. The Hackers, the Falcons and some other do it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah you don't wanna mess things up with him.
Just change the guy he’s been playing alongside for seven games. eye roll
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I'm pretty sure it's because he has potential...
Not trying to be a jerk here, but potential is just that potential. He has all the physical traits to be a monster at the position, but apparently always has had intelligence issues, and at times work ethic issues.
You never know
sometimes it takes a while for an athlete to “get it.” Webb will probably never be an elite LT. But can he improve? Most definitely.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 1, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly!
And its just his 1st season at LT, with very little prep before hand. LT and RT are not and I repeat not one in the same…
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 1, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The question is if he showed improvement at RT. They aren't the same position, but improvement is a barometer of many universal things.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Or Tyson Chandler, or Eddie Curry, or Eddie Robinson or....
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Nah Tyson finally put it all together, One of the best defensive bgi men in the leauge
Tyrus still doesn’t get it
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According to cross Krause he did. lol
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Last I heard, he went to the Yanks as a scout and now appears to be a Sux scout.
I wonder if he would ever be inducted into the Hall and, if so, who would attend.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Stop making me miss Basketball
This is a sad day :-(
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Another fact is that he was the NFL's worst right tackle last year. Officially.
So noe he’s othe future Left Tackle and protector of Cutler’s blindside. He’s a backup swing tackle. Period. Why did we draft Carimi in the first round if we’re going to bench him behind a 7th round pick. 95% of pro bowlers are first round picks.
You all do realize that the reason there's even
the hint of a controversy about whether Carimi should or should not play is based on the fact that Louis and Spencer have both done better than serviceable work at RG and RT right? So with that being said I say you leave the line alone and let Carimi get healthy while being the swing tackle.
Even though Carimi is a roadgrading RT, there are some things that Louis is able to do with his athleticism that has allowed Forte to get free on outside runs. Webb isn’t great but you haven’t heard his name in a few weeks so that means he’s doing something right. Besides that, we’re quietly getting some of our best play at Center in over 2-3 years.
So considering that the only time this line has looked atrocious is has been when Omiyale has started or when Martz has forgot what decade it is, I’d say the line has protected OK. Also they’ve proving to be one of the best runblocking lines in Football. All of this discussion and controversy is a good thing and a luxury.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Nov 1, 2011 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I want Louis to play...
I just want it to be a Louis vs Webb discussion. Carimi has to play when he’s healthy.
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by jameslcrockett on Nov 1, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear Webb's name every week
If not for a False start or Holding it’s giving up pressure or a sack from a speed rush.
by Hugh Heavens on Nov 2, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Per ESPN
Thats good, I agree with Lester. Wait till he’s completely healthy, let the line have its continuity going into this tough road matchup, then insert him in a home game.
In which case I might even wait till after the Lions D-line and insert him in our week 11 Home Chargers matchup….. Just a thought.
Prov 6: 21 - 22
I always said you should keep the current line as is, since you don't want to mess up chemistry more than it already has nor do you want to bench good play.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I hope they suit Carimi up, and keep him on the bench, a few series are just going to help him, but not more than that. Give him some reps.
by transylvanian bear on Nov 1, 2011 4:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I gotta find a reason to cuss Lester...
…because I think it would be fun. But not this time. Because he’s right. Hell, Lester’s always right. Because great minds think alike. Somebody bring me another beer. Just because.
by Mdwymnstr on Nov 1, 2011 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rec for you!
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 1, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If Carimi is a better tackle than Webb ........
….then it makes sense to start him at LT. No way we should drop Louis or move Louis inside and drop Spencer. Webb is the liability on the line and we should swap the 7th rounder sack and penalty machine for the guy we drafted in the fierst round. It’s a no-brainer.
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