Revenge is a Dish...: Bears' Defense Dominates in Win over Lions 37-13
by Steven Schweickert on Nov 13, 2011 7:02 PM CST
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PrintWhen talking about the Bears' MVPs for this game, you have to go pretty far down the list to find the usual suspects of Matt Forte and Jay Cutler. On back to back Lions' drives, Matthew Stafford was picked off for touchdowns. Devin Hester was punted to three times - one went to midfield, another went for a touchdown, and another midfield return was called back for a penalty.
Of course, a dominant defensive and special teams showing by the Bears will be largely overshadowed by the brawl that erupted when Stafford attempted to pop DJ Moore's head off like a kindergartner on a daffodil and Moore retaliated, earning him an ejection. Of course, in another twist of appropriateness, one of the timely interceptions was caught by... his replacement, Corey Graham. Add in two fumbles by Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson, one of which led to Matt Forte's touchdown in the first quarter, and the Lions were in a hole the Bears' defense just wouldn't let them out of. Amazing what some actual defensive pressure will do for a team.
Quick, victorious numbers after the jump.
Jay Cutler: 9/19, 123 yards - 68.5 passer rating - fumble lost
Matt Forte: 18 carries, 64 yards, TD
Marion Barber: 13 carries, 27 yards
Earl Bennett: 6 receptions, 81 yards
Charles Tillman/Major Wright: INT TD each
Devin Hester: Punt Return TD
Sacks: Julius Peppers, Anthony Adams
Matthew Stafford: 33/63, 329 yards, TD, 4 INT - 46.3 passer rating (But he was wearing gloves! MVP!)
Maurice Morris: 10 carries, 44 yards
Nate Burleson: 9 targets, 8 receptions, 83 yards
Calvin Johnson: 19 targets (that is not a typo), 7 receptions, 81 yards
Tony Scheffler: 7 targets, 3 receptions, 37 yards, TD
Sacks: Cliff Avril, Louis Delmas
Late Add: TOP: DET 30:54 / CHI 29:06
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and Falcons lost too
All is really, really good :D
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
That just ain't right
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
by juperee on Nov 13, 2011 7:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
oh it's bad too
they are giving these people what they want…media coverage…and making police seem like bad guys
because TLR
"Occupy" logic:
What do we want?
We don’t know!!
When do we want it?
NOW!!
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
by juperee on Nov 13, 2011 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Hey guys
Let’s not talk about Occupy #Whatevs—it’s just not worth any of our time to talk about sociopolitical movements while trying to talk about the Bears
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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by Kev H on Nov 13, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
They want corporate taxation, for them to be accountable since corps are people and
they want lower pay among the higher ups and higher pay for the grunt workers.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Now, I am done since I saw the Kev post.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Rec'd
If these idiots worried half as much about what the government was doing (regardless of party) as they do about the free market, maybe something would change. As it is, their just a bunch of camara-mugging douchebags.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
And I just saw Kev's post and will honor it.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, thanks....
Being half-drunk is bad for your grammar.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
i live in salem
and just wanted to see the NBC pre-game to see bears highlights
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Nov 13, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Defense looking sharpest I've seen them this season
Stafford looking… well, like crap.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
I really felt a Bears blowout coming but expected the O to play a bigger role
but I’ll take it.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
1st of all
good win by the better team.
Second, thank you Dane for the warnibg and not a ban Friday night.
And last, see you guys in the playoffs
"I like to win all the time, so all the time I play with myself."
Thank you and good luck.
This win ought to shut up the worse of your bunch.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I has shut me up
thinking that the Lions are the “cats” meow
"I like to win all the time, so all the time I play with myself."
Well, you guys are good, but you are a year or two from elite status, you really need that rookie running back to assert the running game.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The cats
meow….I see what you did there….I could go on about det players but I will not…..So….Ya good luck against the packers….
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Edwin Williams will be fine.
The Line will be OK.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
What about
Omiyale…..
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Possible, but...
Edwin is a guy the Bears like to eventually start, and he was the Bears highest rated guard last season, though he only played a couple of games.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
How would they get him time in the future? The one time they could have done that is over with Garza resigned.
I don’t foresee him surpassing Chris Williams (at least until his deal is over) Garza or Spencer.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He's not going to surpass Garza or Williams, for sure.
Spencer is possible, but I think he’s more a future look for when Spencer gets moved to center after Garza is done. They’ve been high on him since last year, though. Well before Spencer was in the picture or Williams was considered a lock to start.
But I think he’ll be around a while. He’s only 24.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
That young? I though he was a bit older. I have to agree then.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
They also considered him a possibility at center for a minute.
I’m not sure where that went, but I haven’t heard about it in a while. Though you don’t usually get much press on stuff like that during the season.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
believe that ended when Garza started getting serious talk to replace Kreutz last year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Do what!?
On what?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Chris Williams was injured in the game and has already had surgury.
He’ll be out for at least a little while.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Had wrist
surgery tonight…..Will be out awhile….Lovie said it in his Post game presser….
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Aww man...
He was playing so well too. This is a real dissapointment. Hope he recovers soon.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. One of the pleasant surprises of the season, especially the last 4 games.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Nov 13, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
Chris Williams undergoing wrist surgery. No timetable set for his return.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I love the love we have been getting from the deskletes at Fox and NBC. They are finally giving us an iota of praise and credit.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
you guys deserve it
You never let up an inch on defense. And we gave you plenty of chances to beat the shit out of us. Hope to see you in the playoffs.
Thank you, see you there.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
deskletes, lol.
awesome.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Haha thanks.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
steverosenbloom steve rosenbloom
I suppose the Lions didn’t quit in the third quarter because getting abused in Chicago beats doing anything in Detroit.
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
Truth.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Nov 13, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
man I can't wait to hear from ThorCo
this was his first game at Soldier Field and man did he get his moneys worth.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Heh, my first game was the Bears vs Browns 2001 game that went to OT.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
that was a good game. My first game was was Minnesota in 62 a 31-30 win! :o)
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Wow! We all have gone to classics. '62 was Vikes first year right?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I think 61 was their first year
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Ah, still cool.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Damn, Ed.
You are hardcore, brother.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
we were suppose to go to the GB gamevut had to change plans, just as well our Bears got beat pretty badly in that one.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
That was MY first game...
ugh
Release the Kraken!
Give it up for the boys in blue, USAF
Twit for more flaming squirrels
by Jonathan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
bad luck that
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
My first game was....
Redskins at the Bears in 1985 with my uncle. He was a former Navy photographer and we had seats by the entry. He got some great shots of the team including a fantastic picture of sweetness entering that I’m trying to get my hands on so I can publish it, probably here.
Bears won that game 45-10, if I remember correctly. It was a great day to see your first Bears game in Chicago.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Nice. That had to be fun to go to an 85 game. Magical.
Would love to see that picture when you find it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
It was, though it was early in the season so the climate wasn't what it was later in the season.
It was really the first game the offense clicked. I think it was the fourth or fifth game of the year. Was a ton of fun.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
The playoffs games that year, I will never forget being there
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
I went to that game too!
It was awesome.
My first game was Bears-Bucs in 1980 (I think).
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
adding
the two plays from that I remember was Willie Gault returning a kickoff for a TD, and Walter throwing a TD pass to McMahon in the corner of the endzone.
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
My first game at Soldier Field...
Is This Weekend!!! Bears v.s. Chargers!!!
My first Bears game was In Minnesota in 94 (I Think) since been to Detroit in 98 and then at M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore in 09.
DwyaneWade Dwyane Wade
@JayCutler6 @D_Hest23. Great game fellas. Loved every second of it.
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
Bah, that traitor should just defect to the Fins. Ech.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Offense did just enough to help win the game
Not Cutler’s best night by all means, and the O-line didn’t open too many holes against a stout Lion’s D-Line. But, all and all pass protection was pretty good, and the overall play of the offense…was passable.
Game ball; secondary. 4 ints for the second time this season, with 2 of them going for TDs. Major Wright looked rather improved to say the least. Conte should have had an int of his own. All and all, 9 (or is it 10?) ints in the last 3 games by the secondary, just outstanding by all accounts.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Cutty had a passer rating of 68.5
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
The drops didn't help his cause
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
thank god Earl is back
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yea
Had another good night, for the second straight game. Btw is Hester expected to miss any extended period of time?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
He was taken out because he was sick, i think he is fine.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Good
We don’t need to lose anyone else.
Now, is it possible Chris Williams comes back later with a cast on his bad hand?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
He could since Lineman isn't as dangerous to the wrist as LB, but I think they'd be cautious.
Probably won’t go on IR
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Thankfully our schedule eases up from this point on
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
Just had
the flu so they yanked him after the big lead….
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ah okay
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Lovie said he was a little under the weather whatever that means
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
AnwarRichardson Anwar Richardson
#Lions QB Matthew Stafford said fracture is on right finger. That is why he wore a glove #NFL
BearsSTH Chicago Bears STH
“@caplannfl: On which hand? RT @AnwarRichardson: Matthew Stafford said he has a fractured finger #Lions” glassford
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
fracture is
on glassfords ops staffords throwing hand….
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Haha Staff infection is more infected.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
From what? After getting his ass rightfully whooped by D.J. Moore?
Smh. Talk about a classless team.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, they reminded me of the forrest gregg packers....even their qb was involved
I was shocked more DET players weren’t tossed, especially Suh, Fairley & Raiola
by walterfan34 on Nov 13, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not fractured enough to take someone down by the dome...
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 13, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
How did he not get flagged for that?
Oh wait, its because hes a QB…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hell Yeah!!
Hopefully DJ won’t get punished for it any more than he has already. I loved that right after the incident Moore got up and went straight for Stafford. Who pulls the person blocking you down by the helmet anyways?
by Captain Kangaroo on Nov 13, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Great to see karma return.
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Nov 13, 2011 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chris expected to be out the rest of the season.
F**********************************k!
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Nov 13, 2011 7:35 PM CST reply actions
Damn
He played so well too.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
That is spit. We need him too. O line is one spot we can't lose anything in.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
BradBiggs Brad Biggs
I am told Chris Williams’ wrist injury is believed to be similar to one Brian Urlacher had in 2008 when he missed 15 games.
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
hope they don't IR him
He will be back just in time for the Super Bowl
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
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ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
As of right now, Frank Omiyale is the only healthy backup OL on the Bears roster.
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
Edwin on PT then?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
That...sent a chill down my spine...
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Posting that will cause mass suicides in the Chicago Area
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Nov 13, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Not funny
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool
I wasn't aware of EW being injured.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Me
neither but thats what Zaidman hinted at…..
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not according to the Bears site.
EW wasn’t on the injury report and was suited up and played tonight, so he must mean that Omiyale is the only backup left with EW starting.
Or he’s just missing EW?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Or you realized this below while I was typing, lol.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
I got your back bro!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
I swore he looked just fine when he played tonight
Or is this saying that Omiyale is the only back-up now that Edwin Williams is the starter at LG?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Ops ya
think you got it ECD…..
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I was about to say
God Forbid Omiyale touches the field anymore, especially back at LG…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
He's ok at guard. It's tackle he has a problem with. Not athletic enough.
He did fine as our starting guard in ‘09. He just needs to be on the inrerior. He can’t handle an outside rush.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Plus you get more help on the inside.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Eh....
I still think it is a bad idea to allow Gate 68 another opportunity to open said swinging gate in the interior.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
You hacve to look at it this way.
Chris williams sucked at tackle too. If we ignored his abilities inside because he sucked at tackle, we’d not be worried now about losing him to injury.
You have to look at where players succeed. Omiyale is a serviceable guard and a horrible tackle.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Guess we will find out soon..
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
True. I will believe Omiyale to be serviceable at anywhere when I witness it. Hopefully, that will ocurr.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Nov 13, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
You missed the 2009 season?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
I mean in the 2009 season he was okay
But wasn’t the 2009 season also Matt Forte’s worst season?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but mostly because he played the entire season on a broken knee.
He had his lowest missed tackles total that year and the lowest yards after contact per carry of any qualifying back in the league. Meanwhile, the Bears had more line-yards per carry in 2009 than they’ve had in 2010 or 2011.
So his down sophomore season was more about injury than line. Not to mention that Cutler wasn’t sacked as much in 2009.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm
I suppose he could be given 1 last chance, albeit I still think he hasn’t earned another chance.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Pickers can't be choosers, we would have little choice if he had to go in
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
True
After all, he still is a Chicago Bear…and in my belief I should support anyone as long as they wear the navy and orange.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Truth is, Omiyale got a raw deal.
He’s been DMS’d in Chicago, and everyone blames him for trying to fill a need he’s not suited for because he was asked to and because Angelo is too stupid to actually fill the need himself.
Omiyale was once a promising guard, until Angelo decided that an ancient Orlando Pace was an adequate replacement for John Tait.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Just saying....
there’s a huge difference between playing tackle and playing guard. Omiyale is a guard who was moved outside because Angelo was too stupid to go out and get a tackle.
Honestly, I have no problem with Omiyale if they would just leave him on the chart as a guard and actually bring in a frickin tackle. I don’t understand Angelo’s aversion to tackles. We currently have two actual tackles on the roster, and one of them is injured.
Omiyale has always been listed as a guard on the Bears roster page.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Well we have three, Louis is playing good.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
But Louis is a guard.
He’s being put in the same position as Omiyale was. He’s being DMS’d. He’s doing a decent job of it, but he’s still out of position and needs a lot of help with chips.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
It's also worth noting that the Bears have averaged...
the most yards per carry running to whatever spot Omiyale occupies in both 2009 and 2010.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
He is strong, but meh feet and athleticism.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Exactly.
In other words, he’s a guard, lol.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Lets see what Tice comes up with this week
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Still think it'll be EW.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if they will either promote someone from the PS to fill in, or go out and sign a back-up from FA?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't be surprised to see Levi horn brought up.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Me neither
Btw which position would Horn play as?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Horn is a natural tackle...
But the way this team works with DMS, who knows, lol.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Center. lol
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Linebacker.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 13, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Receiver?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Corner
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Wait. Were you looking at the same tape I did?
He was awful in 09….
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 13, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
What?
He allowed two sacks and four hits all season while leading the Bears in yards per carry run behind him. How is that awful?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
When he played left guard?
I swore breaking it down that Forte had the most carries for losses running behind him…
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 13, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
It was much the same issue that I thought he suffered from most of the time...
Terrific amounts of inconsistency and mental lapses. Too many blown up plays, not enough
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 13, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
And the biggest problem on the line in 2009 was...
Kevin Shaffer, followed closely by Orlando Pace’s inability to run block.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
According to Football outsiders....
The Bears had the most yards per carry behind the Left Guard in 2009.
Fact is, that in 2009, the line wasn’t Matt’s problem. Not being able to break a tackle or make anyone miss due to a knee injury was Matt’s problem. The bears were top 10 in the league in 2009 for adjusted line-yards (yards before a player gets hit the first time) and Forte was last in the league among qualifying backs in broken tackles and Yards after contact per carry.
It’s amazing what a knee injury does to a back.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
you can't argue with Myth
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I'm confused, lol
Who is Myth?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
The myth that Stale 'Yale sucks
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Got it.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
oh that's no myth
the myth is that if you suck at one thing, you can not possibly be adequate at another.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
That is what I meant.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Very, very truthy.
Well said.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
In truth, our inside running game would probably improve greatly with Omiyale back at guard...
And we wouldn’t see much of a drop-off in pass protection. He just isn’t suited for tackle.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think we do this when the time comes
Carimi gets healthy, so slide him back at RT, Lance Louis to return to RG, and then place Spencer at LG.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
I believe he played OG at CAR and Chris was more of a Pass protecting guard that excelled at pulling in the run game.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yep, and he started at LG here in 2009 with success.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Give him a helmet and some shoulder pads! Now!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
New Bear Down refrain...
“We’ll never forget the way you thrilled the nation with your max protection!”
by Mdwymnstr on Nov 13, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Or..
“We’ll never forget the way you thrilled the nation. With kick return sensation”
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow! Get this man a contract, he can write lyric!!!!! WOoT
Rec’d
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
jingles anyway
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
If the offense plays a little bit better we have the inside track to the wild card based on our remaining schedule
P.s any sympathy that I might have felt for the lions and their fans are gone. Stafford, suh, and schwartz are pansies.
Pps game ball to our defense!
48 minutes of intensity
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BradBiggs Brad Biggs
#Bears had two Pick-6’s in game for 1st time since Dec. 5, 1993 vs. Green Bay
EBBennett80 earl bennett
Should I keep the Orangeades going? Lol it’s costing though lol
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
I do that all the time in Madden.
Damn right he should, he is bossin.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He doesn't make a lot of money, and those fines are huge.....
I don’t think it’s the shoes. Save your money, Earl.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well Jay should be paying for him. lol
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
by Shuggs on Nov 13, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, lol
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Guess not anymore lol Cutler responds
JayCutler6 Jay Cutler
No no. Those guys are retired. They had a good run.RT @EBBennett80: Should I keep the Orangeades going? Lol it’s costing though lol
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
NIke should help Jay out.
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Just North of Wrigley Field
by jameslcrockett on Nov 13, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
And thus continues the Vandy Bromance!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
Bears have scored at least 30 points in 5 games this year. They hit the 30 point mark just 3 times in 16 regular season games in 2010.
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
Imagine that?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
That is like a first since '06
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Definitely
And we all remember what happened in ’06…:D
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
lost in the Super Bowl
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"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We have a better QB and RB this time.
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by badsamaritan on Nov 13, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
But worse receivers, tight ends and line.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
But then we have better starting safeties, corners and DLine. LBs are almost the same.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Disagree....
I think DMS and Harris in 2006 were better than Conte and Wright, LBs areent all that different, save for H² over Roach, and Nathan Vasher circa 2006 was better than Tim Jennings,
Peppers is better than Ogunleye, but DTs were better then, and Brown > Idonije.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Well in today's NFL the Nickle is also a starter (figuratively) and I think Moore might be better than Manning Jr
and Manning Jr was the best Nickel we’ve had in over a decade at least.
I think the line overall is better with Tommie Harris not being included for the final seven weeks. Adams, Okoye and Melton > Scott, Tank and third guy.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Again, I disagree.
O’d take tank over any of our current DTs, and Ian Scott and Alphonso Boone and Anthony Adams are effectively the same guy. “the third guy” was Izzy Idonije, lol.
Look at the yards per carry allowed, as well as the sack numbers. 2006 was better in both areas.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
The third guy was Boone. That is who I meant. Izzy was fourth string at that point.
I don’t think the Dline for the Bears in 06 was great. It was made by Harris (I know the same is of Pep) and they were gashed after he was out and by the weak Colts rush unit and I know this unit wouldn’t allow it. Would fully take Peppers and this line over the Super Bowl Bears line of 06.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Really, cause they were gashed by Detroit in the first game. Detroit, of all teams.
Not to mention that every team that Chicago has allowed 100 yards or more rushing in six of their nine games this season. They allowed 100 yard rushing games in only six of their 16 regular season games in 2006, and allowed only three after Tommie Harris was injured.
So I’m not sure how you know this unit wouldn’t allow it, considering that they’ve allowed it in 2/3 of their games.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
The hundred yards in the DET was on one rush due to poor gap control by the LBs.
The time disparity also plays a role. The Bears offense had none early when Martz was passing like a mad man.
The Bears were just manhandled on the line once Harris was out, hard to say that about this group.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Manhandled?
2006 after Tommie: 7 games, 190 rushes, 705 yards 3.7 yards per carry. (and this include the actual manhandling that the team took from Adrian Peterson for 190 yards. without AP gashing them, they only allowed 3.2 yards per carry in the other six games)
2011 first 9 games (WITH PEP!): 188 rushes 960 yards, 5.1 yards per carry.
Who’s getting manhandled by the run again?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
That include the 130+ in the Super Bowl?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You're talking playoffs?
This team doesn’t have a playoff game to compare. You’re not trying to tell me the playoffs are the same, are you?
By the way, in case you wanted to know, the Harris-less and Mike Brown-less ’06 Bears had 17 sacks in 7 games compared to the 18 sacks the ’11 Bears, with Pep, have in nine games.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
You have to include that in the body of work.
It was 190 yards rushing in the Super Bowl, so I would rather have this rush defense.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I disagree.
But even if you include it…..you might want to consider that Indy ran a lot of yardage because they ran 42 times, lol. So…..
2006 including playoffs: 290 (yes, teams rushed against the Bears 100 times in the playoffs, lol) for 1079 yards (yep, only added 374 yards on 100 carries in the playoffs) for….wait for it……still 3.7 yards per carry.
And the Bears still allowed 5.1 yards per carry through 188 rushes for 960 yards in nine games.
Advantage 2006 Bears without Tommie Harris.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
You have to include it in the context that we were talking about the SB team
the playoffs were a part of that team, not just the regular season and must include their play during the playoffs.
Indy also passed for over 230 yards in that game, over 400 total…
The Saints and Seahawks were also king on our D.
The sum total and average was low in the playoffs because the Saints didn’t rush….at all.
I would still take the 2011 current collective over the final ’06 D.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We were talking about which line was netter at stopping the run....
But if you really want the stats for the team including the passing game, sacks and rushing yardage, I’ll hash them out. But your still not going to like the end result.
But there’s also a reason that playoff stats aren’t counted among record stats. Because the quality of opponent changes and weighs teams differently. That’s why the record books don’t allow for playoff stats to be included with record stats except when they state that they are playoff records.
And the Saints rushed 27 times against the Bears. That’s not exactly “didn’t rush….at all”
The Seahawks rushed 31 times and the Colts rushed 42 times.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Fine. I would dispute the quality of the Saint's rush (even with Deuce)
but that wouldn’t mean anything.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Not to mention Mark Anderson's 12 sacks.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Safeties wer not good in 06
easy whn you are 30 yar back every play. Today was the first time I saw a safety make a play on the ball in a long time.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
I remember a stat of total yards per game Brown and Post-Brown, it was staggering that year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Check the yards per games for those games against the yards per game allowed this year.
I’ll bet you don’t like what you see……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, with these starters, the post-Brown numbers are really in the favor of this year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No, they aren't.....
Post Harris: 354 yards per game.
Post Brown: 327.4 yards per game (three of the best defensive games the Bears had in ’06 against passing yardage were the three games after the AZ game that Brown went down in.
through nine games of 2011 376.3 yards per game.
So no, changing the discussion to “Post Brown” doesn’t favor this year. In fact, it widen’s the gap.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
They never allowed less than three hundred after that three game span you mention
and gave up more than 400 twice. Hardly favorable, so yes, this group is better.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I am also talking about the Wright and Conte games since they are the starting safeties......Including the games they weren't the tandem is irrelevent.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Wright and Conte have only played this week and against the Vikes.
And the Bears gave up 393 yards this week. Check Below.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well yeah
but they were also playing with a 30+ point lead at the end. Most teams relax a little bit and give up crap at the end.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Not to mention the return TDs that put that back on the field.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well yeah
I mean, if you wanted to get really technical, you could subtract the yards that Stafford lost the team when he threw it directly into the hands of TIllman and Wright.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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And Again, Can I do the same for the '06 tandem?
I mean, look at the take-aways that team had. This would get lopsided fast.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
The thing is that none of those games were lopsided apart from StL and the GB finale.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
ummmm....
first, you can’t just look at the final score. You have at the points scored in garbage time, too, since were discounting garbage time yards..
Second, The Saints game, 49ers game, Rams game and Vikings game were all won by 18 points or more.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Once again, all those were low and/or close scoring close
games. You are probably confusing Minny with NYG since that was a ten point game.
There wasn’t much in the way of garbage time the course of that year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I did drop in Minny instead of NYG, thank you.
But those were also four of the highest yardage games (just as tonight’s game was among the highest yardage games of the season). And they make a significant difference in the numbers.
And how were those all low scoring games? The Bears scored an average of 40 points per game in those contests.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Low scoring and/or close.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
None of those games were low scoring.
No less than 38 poits were scored. And none were closer than 17 points, so none were close. Unless three scores is considered close.
Now, Take the Rams game. They scored twice in the fourth quarter and put up nearly 200 yards after being down 35-13.
And San Fransisco put up all 10 of their points and 160 of their 248 yards in the fourth quarter after they were already down 41-0.
See my point?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
I was talking about the games besides those. Like the Pats, Vikes, Bucs (close), Lions (close), Jets, etc.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
OK, but if you just...
take away those 330 yards from the 10 games in question, that’s a 33 yard per game drop. Just the two games I listed make a huge difference.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Being technical means doing the same to both suns, not just one.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say you couldn't.
However, you’re touting their contain defense in a blowout as a reason to discount them, when really the entire secondary had a damn impressive day today.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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I don't disagree....
But I’m working with the stat I was given. Changing the rules halfway through the game isn’t cool.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
I thinnk the part you're missing here is that I didn't make the rules, my friend.
I think yardage and points are horrible ways to gauge individual players. For example, Wright was horrible in Minnesota and lost his starting spot for the next week. But the Bears gave up fewer than 286 yards.
And other than the deflected interception, Wright was pretty bad in Philly. And the Bears gave up 330 yards.
By contrast, Wright played a good game tonight and the Bears gave up 393 yards.
But I was working within the defined parameters given to me. I was more arguing that even in the flawed measure, it didn’t help Wright and Conte.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
So I get to go back and discount all the yards given up by the '06 defense when they had a significant lead?
You can’t play that game. It doesn’t work unless the even the odds and do the same for both teams.
Besides, It’s not my fault that he’s making the argument that a tandem with two games together has a large enough sample to determine that their better than the tandem that started the 2006 Super Bowl and the 2010 NFCCG, is it?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say they were better than the '10 version
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Regardless, the sample size remains the same...
Especially when i can point to everyone wanting Wright cut just a few weeks ago.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Three games is a sufficient sample to get an idea of what they will play like this year.
I have confidence in their ability. The fact is their playing their responsibilities/role as a safety better than 06 Harris and Manning did.
I think that was an overreaction, I can’t think of one person legitimately wanting him cut.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
They've only played two games together, not three.
Wright didn’t play in London.
And What happened to all the bad games Wright had? Did they just disappear? Weren’t they a significant sample then too? There were more than two of them.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Minnesota, Philly, Det.
We don’t forget about those bad games, but when one turns the corner or has a string of good games, with the same teammate, it breeds confidence.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Whoops, forgot Philly somehow....
lol.
Well, the team allowed 330 yards, so it doesn’t help there.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Lowers that average slightly. :D
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah, but the missed tackles they both gave up don't exactly help the cause.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not bad next to Harris and Meriweather
and the 06 gang.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
.....
Harris has one missed tackle on the year.
Conte has 2 and Wright has 4.
Meriweather just sucks. (he also has 4)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
On what basis are you saying they played their responsibilities better.
That’s my whole point. If it’s just your opinion, then great. But if you’re going statistically, then no. They aren’t.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well they are better. You are using flawed stats to argue against it.
Total yards is pretty flawed. How about PPGA?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I agree, but...
you brought up total yards, not me. I just followed suit.
Now, how about missed tackles? touchdowns allowed? Quarterback rating for targets thrown their way? Passes defended? Forced Fumbles? tackles? All favor Harris and Manning.
Interceptions favor Wright and Conte if you break it down on a per game basis.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Points per game?
just as flawed as YPG. You can’t count a TD given up by Urlacher against Conte, if you want to be fair.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Well you see? I can argue in favor of one way and you can the other.
I still think with everything put together, this duo was better than SB year Manning and Harris.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
But I didn't bring up yards per game, you did, lol.
I just went with the flow.
You don’t know the rules, my friend. If you bring up a stat, I’m going to obsess over it from that point on. Get with the program, man! ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Lol, yeah, should have figured.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Manning could never really figure out the position
and Harris was never good at coverage.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Except when he was leading the team in INTs....
And DMS was moved around too much to figure out much of anything.
And while I like Conte and Wright could grow on me, I don’t think either has figured out a whole lot yet, especially when it comes to tackling. They already have nearly as many missed tackles this year in limited playing time as Manning and Harris had all last season while starting 16 games each.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm....
Chris Harris led the Bears in INTs last year. How’d you miss him ending two games by making plays on a ball? Or being the first guy to INT Mike VIck at the end of the second half in the endzone by making a play on the ball?
And I’d call DMS and Harris better than Conte and Wright.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Talking about 06
Harris had a shockingly good year last year.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
I was comenting on your comment that....
you hadn’t seen a safety make a play on the ball in a long time. Happened a lot last year.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
I will sta by that one
most of Harris picks were right place a the right time vs. him anticipating a throw and mak a play. NowI an not saying that they are any better than the prior two but at least them have upside. Harris had poor coverag skillsand Manning no instincts for the game except on kick returns.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
And I disagree with your opinion completely.
on all three accounts. Go back and watch the INT of Vick or of Fitzgerald and tell me those weren’t anticipation.
You can find them both at NFL.com.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
The numbers go to the contrary. Less than 300 yards two of the three.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Actually they don't.....
Through nine games in 2011, Bears have allowed 376.3 yards per game.
In the seven games Harris didn’t play, the Bears allowed 354.1 yards per game.
And the Bears allowed less than 300 yards only once this season, against the Bucs.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I am talking about this starting combo....not any iteration with Meriweather or Harris in.
Strictly Wright and Conte, of which they have been good since the Vikes game.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Oh....
Well, then. That’s just two games. Wright didn’t play the Bucs game due to a hip injury. Chris Harris started that game.
So, you have Manning and Harris 2006 at 327.4
and Wirght Conte at 339.5.
Still favorable for the Harris and Manning.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, it is that high? That seems a bit high considering the Minnesota game.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The Bears allowed 393 yards today.
And 286 yards against the Vikings.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't they play together last week in Philly?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The Bears also gave up nearly a third of those yards
on the last three drives, when the game was well in hand.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Again, that's irrelevent.
The Bears kept the starters in and tried to stop the Lions. Now, I understand that they are going to give up yards in that situation.
But I didn’t bring up YPG. And we haven’t removed the yards from Bears games from 2006 that came in garbage time. And three games is a pretty crappy sample.
But I’m doing the best I can with what I’ve been given.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
This is why I hate stats
I don’t care if bears D gave up 500 yards, the film tells another story. They made stops when they needed to make stops, they forced turnovers and capitalized on interceptions, and they kept the lions offense from scoring major pounts. That’s what counts in my book.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
*points
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
agree completely.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 14, 2011 5:20 AM CST up reply actions
Just reviewed this, and Zaidman is wrong. The Bears have now scored 30 points FOUR times
ATL, CAR, PHI and DET are the four opponents while they have scored 29 versus the Vikes.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Assuming we count all scores they put up 39 against the Vikes.
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by badsamaritan on Nov 14, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, the Tribune is inaccurate! They published a 29-10 result in the Lions preview issue.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Dominating win
Thanks Stafford for throwing the ball like Derek Anderson today.
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he does “take this $#!T serious!” after all
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Excellent....
I remember that rant…. was LOL worthy….
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Makes it really fun to live in Arizona when THAT is what the local team was most known for last season
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IMO
Nothing in AZ sports history is more memorable than this , but the Anderson rant was pretty good.
Yeah, that is the most epic one
All of the teams around here are really good at melting down in the playoffs when they actually make it and choking in games where they have a lead though.
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Derek Anderson did make a pro bowl once…….but….really hasn’t done anything since.
by Captain Kangaroo on Nov 13, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, 2007 he was in the Pro Bowl,
then he went back to his 50% completion percentage and barely 150 YPG through the air. 2007 is the epitome of a fluke season.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 13, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
The Trib back then had an article about signing him after that year rather than playing Orton for 08.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
does anyone know for sure if lovie was snubbed by gym shortz?
if so, this should be plastered all over ESPN as being another reason why Harbaugh was right in celebrating in his face.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 13, 2011 8:19 PM CST reply actions
Can't find anything
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I watched the whole game and never saw him shake lovie's hand
to say he didn’t though, i can not
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You'd think if he came out that Fox would have had the camara's trained on him, given his antics....
and the fact that they almost always show the coaches shaking hands, but it’s posible that they just missed it. It was kinda funny, though. Lovie looked confused standing out there without another head coach.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
The new Ditka / Forrest Gregg rivalry
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Mark Anderson is making me mad.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Why?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Cause he is actually making plays for once..
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
He's not nearly as good there as he was here in his rookie season.
It’s more of the same. He has a few sacks (4.5) and a pass defended. Oh, and 10 whole tackles combined.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Actually we were missing the sacks from him for year 2-4...
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Like I said....
“He’s not nearly as good there as he was here in his rookie season”
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but you said he got a few sacks here and there when he didn't.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No, I said that he HAS a few sacks and a defended pass....
though he DID put up 5 sacks in ’076 and 3.5 in 2009, so the statement would have been accurate had I actually made it, lol.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
But you were then comparing a half season vs 3 others, but whatever. lol
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well, to be fair, then...
You can only compare his rookie season to this one. They’re the only two seasons that he was only brought in as a situational pass rusher. He’s only played 153 downs in his first eight games this year. That’s on pace with his 2006 season.
And in that case, he’s not performing to the level he performed here.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Because he decided to actually try on the Patriots, he couldn't do that for us. Smells of laziness.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Or....
they put him back in the same position the Bears used him in in 2006, as a situational pass rusher and nothing more, unlike the Bears and Texans, who tried to make him into a every down DE.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
That is really just laziness. He didn't seek to try to be better when he became starter and again when he was benched for Brown
It seems like a Ced Ben situation
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I don't think he has the cardio to be a starter.
He always seemed tired when they were starting him. I honestly think that was his problem…..well, that and that he couldn’t defend the run.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well that points to his laziness to not condition himself. Now, he may not have had the size
but I doubt it.
That is what angers me. He actually seems to be trying on the Pats.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He seemed like he was trying in 2006, too.
which was the only other year he was a situational pass rusher. Seems to me that the Pats and Belichick use players to their strengths while the Bears are more insistant on players being what they want, i.e. DMS syndrome.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
May be so, but that doesn't excuse his lack of trying. He always seemed gassed like you said, inexcuseable.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Great win...
the defense was fantastic, the offense was effective if not spectacular. HUGE WIN as far as the standings go. The Bears have the inside track to the #5 seed. CW injury an issue, but not a huge worry. Just move Louis and Spencer to G and put Carimi back at RT…all set. Impressed with the dominance of the Bears and the schedule sets them up to be 12-4, 13-3 if they beat the Packers. I’m excited to see where the Bears can go with this.
FORTE: PAY THE MAN!
I'm thinking Edwin Williams takes over LG right now
Unless Carimi is truly ready to go.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 13, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Carimi just had surgery
he won’t be ready to go for another 2-3 weeks
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 13, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
If our secondary could play like that every week
We could give Green Bay a run for their money. I think Stafford just had a really bad game – probably one of the worst of his career. But it was exciting to see those picks run back for touchdowns… And I was thinking the same thing about moving Louis back to guard and putting Carimi back at RT. It’s too bad, because we were starting to gel on the line. I think we’ll be okay once Carimi comes back, though.
Cutler move...
..was dangerous. If nothing’s there, just throw it away. Suh was just waiting for the opportunity to run after Culter and injure him.
I expect Lovie to sit-down with Jay and wag his index at him.
Otherwise, great game by Defense and #23.
WOW, loved the Bob Costas commentation during the half about Devin Hester.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Do fill us in?
Doing homework, so no SNF tonight.
by Midway Bully on Nov 13, 2011 9:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
About his chances of making the HOF as a pure ST'er.....
and going over all his accomplishments…..
by David in Maine on Nov 13, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Damn
Do they put up halftime videos for SNF anywhere? Never get tired of listening to people talk about his accomplishments. He deserves to be in the hof, and he is a great guy.
by Midway Bully on Nov 13, 2011 9:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Videosurf.com has some videos, although I don't think they will have his comments.
profootballtalk on NBC might have it later.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He was talking about he was the greatest returner, listed his stats, compared him to oldies and contemporaries, proceeded to talk about
the possibility of a pure special teams HOF career, how Stenerud was the only pure one in and barring Ray Guy is the only one to be in.
He was really making a case that Hester would get in only on his ST numbers and that everything else is redundant. You should watch it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
watch out on videosurf.com/bob-costas-10483/ and profootballtalk on NBC later for it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Deion Sanders better start writing Hester's induction speech
He has deserved a spot there already. Might not be a first ballot, but he will most certainly retire with the non-offensive TD record (he’s one or two short) and become the first player to reach 20, a feat considering he only returns kickoffs and punts. The biggest issue with ST guys is how to measure their impact on the game, but Hester has regularly shortened the field and put points on the board. His contributions are not only measurable, but also memorable.
That push Suh gave Cutler after the play was dead irritated me to no end
by Midway Bully on Nov 13, 2011 9:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Very surprised to see TOP for both teams nearly equal
The way our defense kept coming back out, thought Lions would’ve had 5-10 minutes more than the Bears.
Guess it had to do with Stafford airing it out 60 something times. No need for Peppers to hit his shoulder, it’ll just fall apart eventually if the Lions stay one dimensional.
by Midway Bully on Nov 13, 2011 9:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not Bears related but thought this humorus
FauxJohnMadden Faux John Madden
Tom Brady had so much time in the pocket on that touchdown throw, Antonio Cromartie was able to remember 5 of his kids names.
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
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by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 9:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good one....
and since we didn’t get a late game open thread, fits in anyway….
by David in Maine on Nov 13, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Every Bears game I've attended over the past 7 years
has just been absolutely wild. It’s becoming a theme.
I caught Craig Pretzel action in 2004, the Vasher FG return in 2005, the 2006 “perfect season” loss to Miami, the 2007 game against NY where their amazing run to the Super Bowl started, the fucking bananas game against Tampa in 2008 where Griese threw 800 million passes, and Hall’s 4 INT game last year, and now this crazy game.
light em up
Dang, nice.
Mmmmmm…pretzels…
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Stafford is the new Rajon Rondo
They can both stick it where the sun dont shine
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by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2011 9:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So F Stafford is now an appropriate response to almost anything?
by lock'em down on Nov 13, 2011 11:09 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
F Staff infection is.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
What a great game to be at today
the crowd was in frenzy all day. More Lins fans there than I expected. Nice to see them have long drive home!
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Awesome win today
Time for the country to start taking the Bears seriously, especially on D. Stafford should have been ejected as well. Sucks to hear about Williams, he was having a pretty good year. Carimi injury/surgery looks that much bigger now.
They are taking notice now. Big praise by Fox and NBC today.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Stafford
Grabbed the dued by the helmet, He needs to be suspended but no it wont happen cause he’s a QB…EFF YOU GOODELL
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Plus it would kill the Lions chances and they can't kill that story yet.
Moore will be suspended and about 20 fines.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
schwartz post game
ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
Jim Schwartz: “Obviously we aren’t going to win many games with 6 turnovers and 3 returns for touchdowns including a punt return.”
ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
Jim Schwartz on if he needs to revisit his team’s discipline: "Discipline for what? For their guy getting kicked out of the game?"
ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
Jim Schwartz on Matthew Stafford/D.J. Moore incident: “Did Matt get penalized? No, Matt didn’t get penalized.”
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
He's a disgrace to coaching
“Do as I say, not as I do” isn’t a coaching strategy that is effective over the long term.
light em up
Blind to the fact that Infection got Moore ejected.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I think he liked
that Moore got ejected and stafford got away with a cheap shot….From the looks of it looks like he is teaching them to rip off the helmet by yanking from underneath….
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by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
See Suhsie on Cutty two of last three games.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
If so
Then he is really is a disgrace, and is way worse than McHoodie…Same personality
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My friend who was a Titan fan and said Shorts was great, I didn't believe him and he has turned the Lions
but jeez, he didn’t tell me how much of a punk and loser he was…..
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Lions deserve to suck for another 10 years
With THIS guy coaching
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by T.Moore on Nov 13, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I didnt think the Lions were dirty
Until todays game, more cheap shots and late hits than i remember in a game since the 80s Packer teams.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Nov 13, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I used to respect them for years
One of the guys that say “Look out for them” while people laughed at me. They are Finally good and I felt somewhat happy for them…But when the players and the damn coach act like thugs and douchebags and sore losing babies. Now I want them to suffer even more their fans too. Turning into Philly fans
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Me too, I actually felt bad and liked some of their guys (second favorite in the division though that isn't saying much)
They don’t seem ready to handle it.
It isn’t about how you win and lose, it is about how you act in those instances.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Agree completely.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
I look forward
to Mike Tice bodyslamming this punk after the next Lions-Bears game
by PrincetonCubs on Nov 13, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
If he isn't a head coach, he has been great.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Schwartz = asshat
guy is lterally nuts
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Honestly, I have a suspicion that crack block by Raiola was intentional
Anyways, let him coach the way he wants. His team is losing respect around the league. He has the league’s dirtiest player, he acts extremely childish, and the lack of discipline in his team will come back to haunt him, if it isn’t doing so right how.
by Midway Bully on Nov 13, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
schwartz twitter handle
@jschwartzlions ………….
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
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by CloudyFuture on Nov 13, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
lets just wait and see how the NFL fines this situation.
I see Moore getting fined because he did retaliate and yada yada yada…
How about Pettigrew going after Moore for the 2nd retaliation?
I think Stafford gets fined over this. Clearly a show of frustration because all he could see was orange.
Schwartz coaches his players to be dirty. He should be suspended just for being a pompous ass about the situation. Everyone knows the NFL reviews each game and just because you didn’t draw a flag, doesn’t mean you won’t draw a fine.
by Minds_Eye024 on Nov 14, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha! Seeing orange and not red.
I agree, just because a flag wasn’t thrown doesn’t mean anything.
Plenty of precedent.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
schwartz is an idiot
How about your dude can’t pull a guy down to the ground by his helmet? Huh? How about that, Schwartz. You can suck it
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
Possible this was discussed before but
Detroit is a team than acts like children.. Dirty plays, crybaby coach an excessive sh*t talking.. Look what’s happened all three of their losses.. Coach starts a fight, defensive linesmen cross the lines while Matt Ryan is hurt.. then tonight start a huge fight, an once it was obvious they were going to lose they start targeting key players to hurt them.. Maybe I was the only one who noticed the gave up opportunities on plays to intentionally try an hurt Cutler.. Guess it makes sense cuz if you can’t beat a quality team then take out the QB for the season an hold onto the wildcard chance.. I’m disgusted by the way Detroit acts when they lose, it’s sad an pathetic.. This is not what I expect from a ‘professional’ team
by edenburnz on Nov 13, 2011 10:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
They are not ready to be a good team
If this game doesn’t show everyone that they are dirty…then America is blind
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No joke!
Lions are the new Raiders.. IMO teams that play like that have no business being in the NFL
by edenburnz on Nov 13, 2011 10:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You know
I respect the Raiders more than Detroit hue Jackson looks like a guy with humility…Lions just disappointed me, the coach teaching them dirty stuff not having his team under control, just disappointed in them and their fans should be too…But their not
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The raiders were a team that couldn't put it together that are on their way. I like the Raiders more now
I just wish they fixed their unis or logo. Hue is the right man for the team. I think they are the one team that can beat the bears out of the west, more than the Chargers.
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Oh I like the raiders of the last couple years
But in the past they lived of dirty play
by edenburnz on Nov 13, 2011 10:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am unfamiliar with that, they seem clean (mostly their rep that hurts them), but I don't know.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Raiders rule #1 cheating is encouraged.
Rule #2 see rule #1..
I’m talking of raiders from yester years.. Prolly farther back than most of you are familiar with.. My points valid tho, lions are a dirty team
by edenburnz on Nov 13, 2011 11:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You said last couple years though.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No I said I liked the raiders of the last couple years
by edenburnz on Nov 13, 2011 11:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh right, but one can infer that your mention of dirty past also is limited to that span.
Moot since you clarified.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No worries man I can see how it could be read that way lol
Regardless a great an much needed win tonight by the Bears! :)
by edenburnz on Nov 13, 2011 11:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sanchez
doing his best stafford impression…..
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The way the Jets season has gone, you'd think they were 2-7.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Obviously, the Defense and ST won this game. There wasn't a question.
The offense only scored about 16 points…but that still puts them ahead of the 13 the Lions managed. And I would not have expected only 64 yards from Forte. Especially against the “Wide 9” defense that He had already demolished the previous week against the Eagles. Cutler didn’t have a great day either, but (to quote many strange sports minds) he “managed” the game very well.
Hesteria is ridiculous.
Just because or he said something?
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by Shuggs on Nov 13, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dilfer talking is an automatic "F You"
Dilfer himself gets one in most cases just because.
by northernsails on Nov 14, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
This isn't meant as a bashing post, Congrats on the win btw
But alot of people do think that the Lions are ‘dirty’. Yes, there were some questionable after-the-play hits by BOTH sides, it wasn’t just the Lions today. I’m not defending Suh, Fairley, or even Stafford to some point for what they did, but there were equally questionable hits by the Bears as well. The hits later in the game that forced Calvin Johnson out of the game (possible concussion, dunno full details) in the endzone where he got sandwiched, the fact that Moore retaliated the way he did against Stafford (I don’t blame him, but overdoing the reaction, and celebrating it afterwords, probably wasn’t the best). Your defense is good, but you shouldn’t be calling the Lions ‘dirty’ because of the actions that they did. Overall though, this was a VERY physical game, the turnovers that occurred early in the game really set the tone for the game. Congrats again on the win, and hope to see you guys in the playoffs for a rematch, we’ll settle the score. As for the rest of the regular season, I wish your team the best of luck!
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Oh it did get chippy(I won't deny the Bears stuff), but it seemed that the unnecessary stuff started with the Lions.
Suh, Vanden Bosch and the others had unneeded hits that forced the Bears to react, we won’t be pushovers on that front.
I don’t think Megatron will be harmed, probably a tact to get him out of their and as a precaution.
Good luck the rest of the year and hope to play you again to settle it.
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I know that people probably dont get the best impression when it comes to Schwartz
but he really has changed the mentality of this team. I know it may not be ‘for the best’, but for some of the best defenses of the past (Steelers of the ‘70s, Ravens in more recent times for example) and considering the history of being the NFLs ’doormats’ for decades, he’s just trying to instill an new attitude for this team. Some of the things they’ve said and done, I don’t agree with, and it is something that they do need to work on. Hopefully this game really opens up the eyes of the Lions coaching staff.
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It will harm you guys if you contine. Play physical during game time is fine, don't late hit or hit the head.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Arguably not, we have to win at Ford or they at Soldier to settle it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
you know how things usually go
gotta have something to tiebreak
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Your guys started the "questionable" hit parade do you really expect the Chicago Bears to lay down and take it in their stadium?
the real question is why do your guys feel they have to play that way.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
My personal feeling on it is....
… they’re trying to show an identity that the Lions will not be pushovers anymore and that they’re tired of being everyones punching bag. Yes, what they have done and did today was going overboard, and borderline ‘dirty’, and I don’t personally like it too much. Hopefully the coaches do something to change it, hopefully the NFL says something about it as well. It’s sad that Suh visited the NFL just last week asking about the things that he was getting fined and penalized for yet he did those exact things today. Perhaps he does need to learn a bit more
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it's dumb
The hit Fairly put on Cutler was absolutely ridiculous
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by suckmyditka on Nov 14, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you there
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overboard on that hit
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Also, Over/Under on Fines from this game, $250,000 being the middle
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Over, up to 300 grand I think.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
What is with the double posts?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
where?
I don’t see any? Your comp, maybe?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it isn't there anymore, but it displayed my replies as double posts twice until I refreshed.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I don't see any double posts either
unless you were refering to my Over/Under after the first post I made?
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No, it was with me.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ahh np
I’ve had that happen on other SBN sites in the past
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Am I the only one hoping...
Stafford catches a 1 game suspension for that cry baby grab of the inside of the helmet throw away from the play?
No, we are.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yep.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
But I'll bet you a peanut that it doesn't happen.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Nov 13, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'll bet you a Tillman.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'll bet you a Peanut Tillman
by Midway Bully on Nov 14, 2011 12:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure I see a suspension coming.
It wasn’t flagged, and the Peppers throwdown of Megatron was almost identical in execution – can you get one without the other?
Though I have to admit, I don’t like any time a tackle is made using anything from the neck up.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 13, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Trying to remember when that hit took place
I may not have saw it since Fox was still showing the Saints/Falcons game when the Lions game started, are there any vids up on YouTube or anything like that?
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The highlights will show the Pep play since CJ fumbled that ball.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I was surprised Peppers didn't get flagged on that play
All know how the Refs are told ‘to air on the side of caution’. Though of course they should’ve flagged Stafford as well for what he did to Moore as well. Both were questionable to say the least.
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I think you either have to flag both or neither...
And I was thinking as the Peppers play happened there’d be a flag, but no. Apparently you can do everything up around the braincage, but the face mask is off-limits.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 13, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah exactly
if you flag one, you gotta flag the other
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I thought flag might have happened but wasn't surprised when it wasn't. The play looked worse real-time.
But yeah, eye for eye, toot for toot.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The Rulebook says otherwise...
I didn’t get to see the Peppers hit, but at least he was making a play on the ball.
Rule 12 Section 2 Article 8(h)
(h) any player who grabs a helmet opening of an opponent and forcibly twists, turns, or pulls his head
= Unnecessary roughness = 15 yards, and DQ worthy if flagrant.
Having not seen the play, as long as he’s going for the ball carrier I’d call it a 15yarder but throwing a dude down by the inside of his helmet because you’re mad, completely away from the play = flagrant IMO.
by Jacob Hayes on Nov 14, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
He was making a play on the ball,
but it almost seemed like a byproduct of a clothesline. Peppers pretty much had his head wrapped from the front of the neck around.
If they don’t call that, I don’t think they can call Stafford’s.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 14, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Actually it doesn't look bad.
Peppers looks as though he wrapped the shoulders of Calvin and Calvin simply fell back due to lack of leverage, also, Johnson was making a football move so it is hard to call something.
Stafford purposely grabbed Dj by the helmet, held on for five yards and threw him down.
BIG difference.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well, Peppers is also a big-ass man.
I’ll give you the football move, but it just looks like he gets his arm right there at the neck.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 14, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
I recently (2 minutes ago) saw a close side view of the play and he does indeed have him across the shoulders below the neck. Clean.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Trying to find a picture of moment of impact, it's not working...
Cause the one I found shows the arm coming over the right shoulder, down across to the left shoulder, but a bit after initial contact when Johnson’s already started falling and the ball’s well out.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
I can get an incredibly low res version that was taken from a video player...
It shows the moment of impact when his arm his mega’s.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah, I've looked as well
its a real split-second play, tried doing it via the NFL.com replay of it (the highlights), but its so hard to catch something that happened so quick (<1 second)
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I'm not saying you couldn't call Peppers...
But it’s a tougher call to make due to it actually being a play on a ball carrier. It’s a tough angle, but it appears that Stafford not only has him inside the front of the helmet, but also got his fingers in on the back of the helmet as well.
It was also well away from a play that was basically already over. I mean, you watch Peppers hit and even with admitted bias you can go that was a viciously rough hit on the ball carrier, he should be flagged, but it’s hard to call it flagrant. It’s hard NOT to call Stafford’s throw anything else but flagrant.
by Jacob Hayes on Nov 14, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
exactly Jacob Hayes !!!
nice analysis, I totally agree brother. I saw it the same way.
by smellmyfingers on Nov 14, 2011 1:37 AM CST up reply actions
Peppers didnt have his helmet. It was more of a clothesline...
And DJ Moore didnt have the ball. You cant just tackle people for the hell of it. Especially by the head.
by Ryan21 on Nov 14, 2011 4:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I live in Detroit, they switched to the Lions/Bears game when it started.
It was the play where CJ fumbled, you would have seen it.
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by badsamaritan on Nov 14, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
I'm in Grand Rapids
and WXMI kept us at the Saints/Falcons, i didn’t see the game until the review after the Burleson fumble
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That's a massive load of crap.
Glad they at least had it right in metro detroit.
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by badsamaritan on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
What kind of bull is that? How can they not show the homestate team? And how is that legal in the NFL guidelines?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Is it just me
Or does Tillman do better against more bigger and physical receivers? I don’t have the stats to back it up, because I haven’t looked into it much, but he’s shut down Megatron before. Can’t say if he’s done the same with all receivers like that, but it’s just something I’ll look more into.
by Midway Bully on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He has struggled with Megatron lately, but has been good against prime Roy Williams of the lions and most notably has a track record vs prime Randy Moss.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I've really only noticed it on Calvin Johnson.
But hey, I’ll take it, he’s the NFL’s best receiver.
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by badsamaritan on Nov 14, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
He did rly well against mike williams in the seattle playoff game too
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by suckmyditka on Nov 14, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
That isn't saying too much.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Nov 14, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair, Mike Williams was beasting last year, especially in OCT vs us the 1st time.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Mike Williams burnt the Bears during the regular season last year
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by suckmyditka on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Listening to Shuggs and Hockemeyer argue...
made me want to put a pistol in my mouth. I do think Shuggs won hands down, but it was mind-numbing. I would rather savor today’s victory, and then look forward to next Sunday
Do what I do...
when the replies start shrinking to half the width of the page scroll down to the next full comment (and hope it isn’t a reply fail from that argument).
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