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Devin Hester Hall of Fame Return Specialist?

The Pro Football Hall of Fame is full of the best of the best at every position except punter.  And there's only one pure placekicker in the Hall in Jan Stenerud, class of '91.  And I guess technically there isn't a long snapper or a kick returner in the Hall either.  The 3rd phase simply dosen't get league wide respect.  Many don't even consider the punters and kickers real football players.   I do.  I think every position that you can measure up against others at that same position should be included in the Hall Of Fame.  And I think Devin Hester could be a Hall of Fame player.

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Yes, I only said could, not should or would.  I think he still has some work to do before he truly belongs, and I think some voters won't even put him on their ballots.

Here's what Hester said about his Hall chances on the NFL Network (via SI):

"I don't know what it's going to take for a returner to get voted in the Hall of Fame, but I'm going to make sure that it'll be a hard decision to pass me up. There's a first for everything: I want to be the first."

Right now he stands only 1 return touchdown behind the record 19 that Deion Sanders has.  When he eclipses that mark, and becomes officially the greatest return man ever what then?  I don't think holding that record would be enough to get him into the Hall.  Some would argue to his inclusion, but I always look at longevity in determining greatness.  With any player in any sport I always ask; Was he one of the best at his position for a decade?  If a player sustains greatness for around 10 years, how can you say he dosen't belong?  So if Hester can keep being an elite return specialist for another 4 or 5 years then he should get the call. 

Pete Prisco of CBS Sports disagrees:

We've had a lot of great return men in our time, guys like Brian Mitchell of the Redskins and Eagles. Did anybody ever consider him a candidate for the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

But when you consider special teams to be 1/12th or so of the game, how can a player who returns kicks and punts be in the Hall.

Let's call Hester what he is, a special return man who can change a game.  Not Hall worthy.

Mitchell was a very good returner through his 14 year career, but he never had more than 2 TD returns in the same season.  He made one Pro Bowl team, in 1995, but was he ever really considered the best during his time?  Hester has been named to three Pro Bowls as the return specialist, and he could be on his way to a 4th this year.  The two years he seemed human and was shut out in the TD return categories, he still had an impact on the game.  There was a whole lot of shanking going on as teams tried to avoid him as much as possible.

And I'd be interested in hearing where Prisco gets that 1/12th figure.  So much of what coaches do is predicated on field position, and Hester flips field position.  Even when he isn't fielding punts, he affects the game.  Punters try to directionally kick to him, some coaches instruct their punters and kickers to simply kick the ball out of bounds rather to face the ridiculous talents of Hester. 

Special teams may not be on equal footing with offense or defense, but you can't deny the importance of a great kicker, a great punter, a great long snapper, or a great returner.

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Is he special at what he does? Does it affect the way opposing teams gameplan for the Bears? Yes, and yes. If he can keep it up for another few years, I would expect him to make the HoF one day.

When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.

by Spongie on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

I would be interested to see how just having Hester on the field impacts field position to start the next drive

Where does the average drive begin when Hester is in the backfield to return a kickoff? How many of those are kicked out of bounds, touchbacks, kicked at an up-man to avoid Hester, etc.? How do all of these compare with every other kickoff returner the Bears have used since Hester broke into the league?

Same questions with punts.

by pastor2b on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

He really is something special, isn't he?

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by Virto on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Good to see you, Hitman

Thanks for stopping in. And agreed, Devin deserves it.

May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.

by Jessica312 on Nov 15, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

devin hester is the greatest return man of all time.

by Tudy on Nov 15, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Devin Hester single handidly changed the game forever

In a much shorter amount of time, he surpassed the past record holders and stands just 2 TDs shy of surpassing Neon Deion’s record. He also is showing to be a dangerous player as a WR.

Special Teamers are a part of the game, and they deserve a bust in the HOF if they, just like anyone else, changed the game forever. Devin Hester is a legit HOF. It would be an insult to the game if he does not become a member of the HOF.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know that he's single handedly changed the game...

Could you maybe explain how it is that you believe he did change the game?

That being said, Devin Hester is hands down the best kick returner in the history of the game (sorry Deon, but it isn’t even close) and should without a doubt be the first person to make it into the hall as a kick returner.

by DanReynolds on Nov 15, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at how many teams draft guys out of college now

specifically for their PR/KR prowess as opposed to a guy who can play CB and return kicks.

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright

First, before Devin Hester, teams simply chose some guys who weren’t going to start and threw them onto special teams, hoping to see some sort of impact. Teams simply didn’t think special teams could change the course of the game let alone a season. Just a bunch of guys flying around hoping to make some sort of impact.

Then, Devin Hester arrives. No one thought he would make any big impact on a team. Just another DB drafted by Jerry Angelo. What happened? On special teams, he played a major role in getting the Bears to their first super bowl appearance since the team of ‘85. He would set numerous records in just his rookie season. Teams just didn’t know how to react to someone who can take the ball from endzone to endzone and seeing said player not even playing offense.

Now, teams are very active in scouting returnmen. Now, teams make a concerted effort to involve someone on special teams in their game plans. Now, teams have to make adjustments to their stratagy, as either they risk giving up the homerun or they give the opposing offense that much shorter of a field to march.

He single handidly changed the game forever. And I may have left a few things out. But nontheless, he single handidly changed the game forever in the NFL.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 15, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

see:

Jacoby Ford and Marc Mariani as direct results from returning skills scouting

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 15, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I do agree that teams scout more for the return game than they used to

But I don’t think you’re right about teams just throwing guys out there to return kicks. With blockers it was true, and is still pretty much true with the exception of the special team gunner/specialist.

The players who are entrusted to run behind those blockers, however are chosen, and not based on the criteria of whether they are a starter or not. Deon Sanders was a starter and star who would play both sides of the ball when he was returning kicks. Eric Metcalf was a contributor as a runner and receiver as well as a kick returner during his career.

Even the Bears have had big name players in the return game before Devin Hester. Gale Sayers was returning kickoffs for the bears the two years that he rushed for over a thousand yards with the club.

I think you’re right that Devin Hester has had a lot to do with the increase in scouting for kick returners, but it’s not like he started doing things that no one else has been able to do before him, or is forcing opposing teams to do things that they’ve never done before (I remember teams choosing to punt the ball out of bounds at times in order to keep Deon Sanders from getting a chance at a return). And he’s also not the only player who was drafted primarily for a specific skill set that has had a major impact in a team’s return game, he’s just been the best at it so far.

by DanReynolds on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Special teams today is nothing like special teams of former years

The day special teams made such a change was when Devin Hester started blowing away other teams with his skills. This is essentially the base of my arguement. Devin Hester forever will change the game.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 15, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Aske Joshua Cribbs and Ted Ginn

if Devin Hester changed the position forever. One was paid handsomely for his return skills and another was drafted in the top 10 of a draft based on Miami hoping he could have the same impact. Devin outpriced his own position and elevated the value of it in the league. Metcalf, Gray, Sayers, Mitchell, or Sanders didn’t do that.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Nov 16, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Placing a value on Hester

Where does Prisco get 1/12? Sounds like he just made up that number.

His value is directly related to the Bears success since being in the league. They’ve been to the SB, NFC title game, and made the playoffs twice in his five years (not counting this season), all with a pathetic offense.

Punt returns are directly correlated with defense, so naturally, he effects every game where the Bears D stops the opposing offense on their side of the 50 yd line. He’s a threat to take it to the house everytime he has room to roam. How many points would the Bears score per game without his services? That’s tough to quantify, but I know it’s significant.

His performance through five and a half years have eclipsed any returner by an eternity. There’s a first for everything, and he definitely qualifies as a trend-setter/game-breaker.

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by propheteer on Nov 15, 2011 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

Counting the SB return...

Hester does have 19. 5 KO, 12 punt, 1 missed FG and the opening kickoff of the SB. Unless my math is off that makes 19. I guess they don’t count the post-season.

by NJL on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

The post seaosn records are seperate

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Hester’s still special there. Only player in SB history to return the opening kickoff for a TD. That ball and Jersey is in Canton already. Only fitting that the player who wore that jersey and caught that ball be in there as well.

by NJL on Nov 15, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It counts as a return TD

lumped in with Punt, KO, and Int TDs

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

It's counted.

We just forget about it.

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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

and fumble return TDs

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

he doesn't have any of those, but I see your point.

Really helps hammer home just how incredible his feats have become, that he is almost tied for the most total returns if you include defensive plays in there as well.

by northernsails on Nov 15, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus he's had a TD called back before

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes he is

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 15, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Absolutely, first ballot.

Even if there was no other return man or kicker in the Hall, Hester is a game changer like no other. I do agree on the longevity requirement though.

by oripunk3485 on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

If not Devin, then nobody.

The current Bears are one of the few teams in NFL history to place such an emphasis on special teams. And most future NFL teams will continue to follow old practices. Devin is a special kind of talent, even on offense where he tends to let his talent do the thinking rather than his brain.

Devin Hester has changed the way teams play against the Chicago Bears. It’s his influence that allowed for that insane Knox punt return score that was called back. The Bears almost never have to worry about field position because of his influence. I’ve never seen any other team play where the crowd stands up and goes crazy just because the opponent’s punt team or KO team enters the field. And this is Home AND Away games.

As long as he continues to be Devin Hester, he should be in the Hall of Fame.

by Doshi on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

I really dont think it should come as any surprise when he is voted in first ballot.

Even if all he does is return kicks for the remainder of his career. I think Lawrence Holmes said it best last season: He changes gameplans, defenses, offenses, everything about the game. Mostly because of him, Special Teams has become a valid, legitimate factor in any Head Football coach’s thoughts. Do we kick it to him and risk giving up a quick 6? Do we kick it short, giving the opposing offense a drastically shorter field, thus making it even harder on our defense? All this is because Devin Hester is ridiculous.

by northernsails on Nov 15, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

Even "Big Game" Tory Holt

Said that Hester changes games and that teams shouldn’t kick to him. Deion calls hester the GOAT (greatest of all time) and we all know what kind of ego Deion has. 2 greats of the game saying that this man is something special. HoF here comes Hester.

by NJL on Nov 15, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

And Hesters 18 returns are purely off kicks, punts and the 1 field goal

Deion’s were from punts, kicks and interceptions

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

TD every 5 games

Basically, that’s what he turns in. I would like to see someone compare that to a top WR on targets/catches.

by Th3T1ck on Nov 15, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder what his TD return rate is per touches

We’re so spoiled…when Hester is done here it will be almost impossible to fill his shoes…

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

the bears will win the super bowl this year.

by Tudy on Nov 15, 2011 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

Let's not get carried away here.

Yet anyway.

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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

CHAMPIONSHIP

I’ve already got the tattoo

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

No I'm kidding

I’m not that dumb

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

However, if they do win, I will name my son after who scores the winning points

So his name will probably be Robbie…though I wouldn’t mind it if it was Julius :D

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Hm.

Marion Thorson.
Julius Thorson.
Brian Thorson.
Matt Thorson.
Charles “Peanut” Thorson.
Devin Thorson.
Roy Thorson.
Jay Thorson.
… Adam Thorson?

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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 15, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Its Thorsen lol

e, the translation got screwed up when my Great Great Grandfather migrated here.

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey man ,do you live in Schaumburg? Work at O’Hare?

by transylvanian bear on Nov 15, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Cuz I know someone, exactly with that name, we call him Big Foot. He wears size 13, and he is 5.8/5.9.

by transylvanian bear on Nov 15, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha nope not me

although my family is from the Chicagoland area, and I still have family that live in the Burbs

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Then it's settled:

You will name your son ‘Big Foot Thorsen". There will be no further discussion on this matter. Although ’Pete Thorsen’ does sound like a stud and I will permit that.

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by Pete Dixon on Nov 15, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

His son's name will be Mike.

Ditka will come out of retirement, catch the game winning TD from Jay then run in the 2 point conversion just because.

Someone once called Mr. T, Mr. Coffee...his body was found in a dumpster shortly after.

by Ditkavsworld on Nov 15, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

'Lovie Scweickert' has some serious possibility,

you know, if you are ever permitted to mate.

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by Pete Dixon on Nov 15, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Schweickert.

And eventually, yes. Then again, I am a Cubs fan, so I’m used to being hopeful and waiting for satisfaction in my life.

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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 15, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You no like Tyler as a first name?

Someone once called Mr. T, Mr. Coffee...his body was found in a dumpster shortly after.

by Ditkavsworld on Nov 15, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

this my war cry

the bears will win it all.

by Tudy on Nov 15, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Preach it.

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm ok with this.

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by Pete Dixon on Nov 15, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

A war cry in lower case??

NOT ENOUGH EMOTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a sneak attack.

Someone once called Mr. T, Mr. Coffee...his body was found in a dumpster shortly after.

by Ditkavsworld on Nov 15, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

IT ENOUGH

it enough trust me just for a bears super bowl this year the detroit kittens not even going to the playoffs i believe the hype is over.

by Tudy on Nov 15, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing

Was Sunday the kind of loss that destroys a season

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Could Hester be this good on another team?

Asked another way, how much of his awesomeness is due to a solid special teams system in place in Chicago?

Didn’t Manning have success returning, too?

by Arbusto on Nov 15, 2011 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

Hester has always been a good returnman

Dating back to his days at the U. And the Bears are one of the few franchises who currently make special teams a high priority.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Not as much success

although I did like Manning on KR better than Hester

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd ask that question too

But the amount of times Hester has made tacklers look absolutely stupid, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

by Midway Bully on Nov 15, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh no doubt a lot, if not most, is on him

But I would think there’d be some credit to special teams outside of Hester.

by Arbusto on Nov 15, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like a lot of HoFers can give credit to the players around them.

How many HoFers were the ONLY players on their respective teams during their respective eras to get placed? About the only guy I can think of right now is Barry Sanders. Team context matters. It’s the difference between a ProBowl player and a HoF player. It’s not the difference between a bench warmer and a HoF player, but it’s impactful.

by Doshi on Nov 15, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Do youtube Devin Hester and University of Miami. Specifically the game against Virginia and the one against Duke. He was doing this stuff back then.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Nov 16, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

*Go youtube

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Nov 16, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's what you do

You put the Hall of Fame voters in the stands when the bears are down two touchdowns with 14 minutes to go in the game and the opposing team is punting to Devin Hester. Let them see and feel what it is like to have a player on your team that at any given moment can change the landscape of a game. Let them experience the excitement in the crowd. Let them enjoy the idea that as long as Hester has the ball in his hands, there’s a chance for the ridiculous. There are very few players that have that talent now or ever.

Hall of Famer.

by ClawsClawsClaws on Nov 15, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

Accomplishments:

- Is the best returner ever
- Changes game plans every week
- Can change the game at anytime
- Forces kickers and linters to go short giving bears the advantage in field position
- Scares coaches into not kicking long field goals because if they miss something ridiculous might happen

How is it even debatable. Even besides the stats, he has a huge influence on the game. Also it is the hall of FAME. I’m pretty sure everyone knows who the windy city flyer. When you think of special teams you think Devin Hester and when someone is known as the best at 1/3 of the game how is he not guaranteed a spot in Canton? /end rant

by TheHesterEffect on Nov 15, 2011 2:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Hester is a Hall of Famer in my mind. When you have to game plan for someone every week, yes and yes , he is .

by transylvanian bear on Nov 15, 2011 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

Devin Hester is the best to ever play his position, and it isn't even close.

He should be in the Hall of Fame for that fact alone. I don’t know how many players inspire that much fear in so few plays.

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by badsamaritan on Nov 15, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

It's the HALL OF FAME.

Not “hall of not very famous.”

If you go around the league and ask what hester is, if you suggest “Is he a Famous Kick Returner, and the best ever at it ?”
They will answer “YES he is.”

That alone should get him in there.
Prisco’s argument that special teamers aren’t thought of as HOFers is just one more argument that the way they are viewed is really a shame.

Ask where the Patriots would be without Vinatieri, or if the Packers would’ve won the superbowl in 96 without Desmond Howard.

It’s a BS argument.
There should be a few historical kickers in the NFL by now.

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by Pulyx on Nov 15, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

If Gould keeps up his pace, I think he should be in

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

On a similar subject, Patrick Mannelly should be in the HoF when he retires.

As far as linemen and especially the LS are concerned, if your name is not being mentioned, that’s a GOOD thing. How often do we hear PatMan’s name thrown out there? Maybe once a season? If that much? He’s excellent at what he does.

by Doshi on Nov 15, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Mannelly in the HOF

is a no brainer. If they don’t put him in the Hall has lost all meaning…

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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 15, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Since we are talking about famous Bears

How about showing some love to William “The Fridge” Perry? I understand he doesn’t have any notable records (to my knowledge that is) but since we are talking famous, I can’t think of too many former Bears not in the HOF other than the black and blue brothers that are more famous than he is.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 15, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Love the Fridge but I don't think he'll get in. Lots of Bears

not in that would be miles ahead of him.

Someone once called Mr. T, Mr. Coffee...his body was found in a dumpster shortly after.

by Ditkavsworld on Nov 15, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya Dad says

he basically ate his way outta the league and was more of a celebrity than a good player

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah but here is something

“Broadway” Joe Namath, to some people at least, was also more of a celebrity than a great QB.

And William Perry was a damn good DT. Shoot, he was a two way threat as a jumbo FB and as a DT to that star studed defense.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 15, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Difference though,

Namath was a star QB in an era where QB’s weren’t that impressive compared to today, and he was seen as a major icon in the AFL, cementing it as a legit competitor to the NFL, leading to the unification of the two leagues. Perry had loads of talent but average production and a lot of commericals

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by ThorCo on Nov 15, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Buffone never made a Pro Bowl

He’ll never get a sniff for the Hall… He was a hell of a player though

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Perry isn't even in the Hall of Very Good

He was a solid DT and a novelty RB

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

My stance on this will probably come as a surprise to some of you

Duh he’s a HoFer

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by suckmyditka on Nov 15, 2011 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

Hm

The HoF should acknowledge the importance of the third phase. Of the current crop in the NFL, kickers like Vinatieri, Akers and Janikowski should be in Canton, and their chances of making it are next to none. Mannelly has virtually none, yet he defined his position. I doubt any active player, other than Hester, can claim that.

As for Hester, here’s a catch – forget the HoF for a while, and ask every voter who is the best return man ever. Then ask why a player that gets almost unanimous acclaim (there will be always a guy voting on some obscure player from he pre-merger era) would be snubbed for being in a position with about 10 plays every game… even if he changed the sport so much in every of those 10 plays, teams have to prepare to not surrender a large chunk of yardage or six points in every single one of them.

Once eligible, induct Hester as the best returner and ST player of all time, and along with it, pledge to induct one ST guy (K/P/R/LS) guy every year for the next 20 years, even if it’s necessary an additional slot, to make up for decades of neglect.

by lmfsilva on Nov 15, 2011 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

Just making up metrics...

I think if you look at the difference in field position created by the best punter vs. the median punter of his time, it wouldn’t be very many yards (it isn’t just how far the punt went, but what kind of return the punt had, which depends on the coverage team, and whether the other team was pinned inside the 20, so situation matters as well).

Place kickers could use the same metric to measure kickoff performance, but judging FG kicking is different. At least today, everyone is pretty accurate within about 45 yards (depending on conditions), and teams won’t generally take chances taking kicks longer than about 50 yards unless it is right at the end of the half (for fear of giving up field position). I really have no idea how many more drives per game fall outside of that 45 yard range, or how accurate the kicker has to be at the longer distances to make attempting a kick worthwhile, to put a number on how valuable the long distance kickers are. Is the best kicker worth a point or two per game over the median kicker?

(I don’t think being a clutch kicker is enough to warrant too many accolades. The hall of fame is for consistent greatness, not just big game greatness.)

I believe Devin Hester and his returns/threat of returns, is worth more in field position vs. the median kick returner than the best punter. If Hester is getting 3 returns per season, he is worth more than a point per game.

It would make sense for him to make the Hall of Fame before punters and kickers, because Devin Hester is more valuable than the best punter and kicker combined.

by BusterK on Nov 15, 2011 6:27 PM CST reply actions  

Still some work to be done but...

…I see him making it. Jan Stenerud only hit about two thirds of his FGs. The Chiefs themselves had Nick Lowery later. He hit 80 per cent plus. So why Stenerud? Historic significance and single season accomplishments I think. (Others helped establish this but with Stenerud, the “soccer” style kicker was here to stay.)

What return man has ever matched the multiple TDs Hester has scored in single years? I think he’d have more such seasons if the Bears hadn’t diverted his attention by putting him at wide receiver.

And for historic significance—just watch. He’s not done.

by Mdwymnstr on Nov 15, 2011 6:40 PM CST reply actions  

If Hester blows out a knee Sunday and never plays again, he's still a 1st ballot haoo of famer.

Baseball is a small hall but football is a large hall. He’s a game changer and by a large margin the best at what he does on a football field. He’s in for the same reason Deion is in.

by mick11 on Nov 15, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

I totally agree...return specialists are true game makers/breakers and a most exciting part of the game!

I’ll give you an example, Bear great Sayers is in the Hall but Denvers Terrell Davis is not. Terrell was not only more impressive as a pure runner from scrimage but he propelled Denver to two staight SBs. Something Elway had failed to do for over a decade.
 Sayers is in the Hall and I doubt Davis will get there. Why you ask? Because Sayers was also a return man…and man was he a great return man.
     How many do you know that have TDs P returning, K returning, Rush and reception in the same game?

Others that were game changers:

Rick Upchurch of Denver….one of the most exciting reurners I’ve ever watched.
Billy ‘Whiteshoes’ Johnson who broke Upchurch’s records.

These two were the most exciting players I had ever seen rerurn a ball………..until hester………

Hester tpo the Hall !!
despite the fact he returned two against my team a few years ago when Cutler and Marshall were still Broncos!
.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Nov 15, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions  

I watched them both and Davis was better from the backfield...so to answer your question

…Yes! I do!

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Nov 15, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

not a good argument to have on WCG...

I think Sayers may pull the popular vote over here…

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 15, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been a Bears fan for longer than many members here have been alive I am also a Big Sayers fan...

…Bit I stck to my guns…Terrell Davis was a better runner, standing behind a QB, than Gale.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Nov 15, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

U R

Wrong. And no more needs to be said!

by Mdwymnstr on Nov 15, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Well then let's agree on this...

…Great return men like Upchurch, Johnson and Hester should have a chance for the hall…

…can we agree on this?

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Nov 15, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

The point is—the others couldn’t get the point across. 23 will.

by Mdwymnstr on Nov 15, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I'll end with this...

…Upchurch and ’Whiteshoes, should be in the Hall…

…if they were Hester would be a shoe-in

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Way to stir the pot Mike. :)

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by Ditkavsworld on Nov 16, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

One Reason I love WCG

How many other blogs would have a serious discussion about the fact that a long snapper deserves HOF consideration?

by Corncob Justice on Nov 15, 2011 11:43 PM CST reply actions  

Do your job well and without mistakes for 15 years.

And you have my vote. Consistency and Longevity IMO are two of the most important aspect of a HoF career.

by Doshi on Nov 16, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes he is

The game of football is about field position. That’s all it really is. All the fancy plays and technical defenses are all designed for one reason… to gain field position. The more position you gain, the better chance you have to score. Devin Hester effects field position as much as any player in NFL history.

I disagree with this stance that he has to do more or needs to reach some arbitrary number to get in the HOF. What number? What metric? He IS the metric. Anything and everything he’s done to this point is his career has been historic. He’s writing history every time he touches the ball. He’s the Babe Ruth of his position, who’s job dictates the most important aspect of the game of football…Field position.

The question should no longer be if Devin is a HOFer, the question should be how he stacks up with the greatest players of all time. Because that’s what he is. He’s as historic as Payton, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Dick Butkus, or any of the immortals of the game. Anything short of that is not devaluing Hester but devaluing what any individual personally feels about the KR position.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Nov 16, 2011 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

Say what??

Is he the greatest ever at his position? Yes or No? If the answer is yes then my point is made.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Nov 16, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The answer is yes but your point was not made.

Positional value. He’s the greatest punt returner ever but he’s still just a punt returner.

by mick11 on Nov 17, 2011 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

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