Bears lose in Oakland 25-20
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 6:39 PM CST
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PrintThat game had an interesting feel to it. Caleb Hanie was making some youthful, check that, I'll go with dumb mistakes, but he did show some flashes that tells me he'll be able to build on his performance. Some of his decisions were brutal, and some of his throws were spot on. His 1st and 3rd picks were as bad of a couple throws that you'll ever see. And I have no words to describe the last play of the game.
The Bears defense was doing just enough for the majority of the game, but they were still allowing too much bend. The front 4 was bringing good pressure throughout and they picked up 4 sacks against a good Raiders offensive line. Sebastian Janikowski did his thing and kept putting points on the board, and Shane Lechler did a great job punting including an 80 yard boomer. The Bears had the ball with a chance at the end of the game, and that's a positive moving forward with out Jay Cutler. After the jump some of the stats.
Caleb Hanie - 18-35 254 yards 2 TD 3 Int
Matt Forte - 12 carries 59 yards, 6 receptions 25 yards
Marion Barber - 10 carries 63 yards
Johnny Knox - 4 receptions 145 yards 1 TD
Julius Peppers - 2 sacks
Carson Palmer - 21-37 301 yards 1 Int
Michael Bush - 24 carries 69 yards 1 TD, 4 receptions 24 yards
Marcell Reece - 5 receptions 92 yards
Sebastian Janikowski - FG 6/6 XP 1/1 = 19 points
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GOOD GAME BEARS!!!
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:41 PM CST reply actions
Go away jackass...
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by LostInSTL on Nov 27, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks...
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I have no problem with what you said. Good game, but Bears would’ve won with Cutler at the helm.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
why?
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
You have your own threads to enjoy...
go find them.
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by LostInSTL on Nov 27, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
your bitter
its ok….
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
I don't go over to...
other team’s fan sites and wish them good luck or gloat about wins. They have their spots and we have ours. I don’t appreciate false sympathy or “good sports”. It’s condescending to me and I do not take it kindly.
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If it were a troll, fine
but this ain’t trollin. and you sound like a meathead
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Nov 27, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
way to be civil...
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
do you also pepper spray people at walmart on black fridays?
:)
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
"old people"
hahaha
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Bad form...
Release the kracken!
Formerly J.Thompson, give it up for the boys in blue; USAF.
Tweet for more burning squirrels
by Jack's Elsewhere on Nov 27, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks man!
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Good game
best of luck going forward. do us a favor and end the tebow party please? the praise is driving me insane
(and that wasnt’ a long drive to begin with)
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Thanks!
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, ditto.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
giggity
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
http://sportsnspacetalk.freeforums.org/
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 27, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
another favor..
Beat the Lions..
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by Claudio Oliveira on Nov 27, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
It was a good game
The Raiders are gonna be tough in the AFC
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Congrats for the win
I reckon we could have done a lot better with Cutler, but well, it’s not like you’ve had an unharmed season so far, too. Good luck for the road ahead, and hopefully you guys make the playoffs, if only because that means we beat the Broncos next week.
We're playing the chiefs next week
but I don’t see anyone in that division overtaking the Raiders and it looks like the Chargers are dead men walking
48 minutes of intensity
Yeah that obscenely large logo has its place on Silver and Black Pride
not here.
48 minutes of intensity
I just don't get why you posted that gif
no reason for it, as cool as it might be. Your team along with five others caught a lucky break when Jay went down, you have nothing to rub in.
by Staleystan595455 on Nov 28, 2011 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
Yup we've been injury free
Enjoy the loss and best of luck with your excuses going forward
by lchristmas on Nov 28, 2011 3:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
you can crawl back under your bridge now.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I don't come to troll
the raiders beat your team, i don’t care for the “lucky break” crap. i gave the chiefs credit when they came into our house and stomped kyle boller and a three-days-off-his-couch carson palmer. and I guess you caught a lucky break(s) re darren mcfadden and two of our top wr’s.
anyway, you guys are cool, the bear fans at the stadium were cool, please beat the rest of our division for us and good luck.
respek
then you should be cool and leave
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
palmer 300 yards?
Unexcusable
I get clients down to 5% body fat with ease you fucking idiot. - dakoose
bend and break defense...
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
He's been good
The INT totals are misleading.
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
by hero66 on Nov 27, 2011 6:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
TWSS?
My name is T-Hagane, Leader of the Guardian Force and a big Bears fan... I have advice....If you're a Lions fan...I'll get Liam Neeson on you.
This game reminded me a lot of 2009
in terms of the quarterback decision making. That having been said, I think Hanie calmed down as the game went on and didn’t try to force throws that weren’t there.
Screen passes are the most dangerous for first year QBs
Too much traffic, telegraphing etc.
I get clients down to 5% body fat with ease you fucking idiot. - dakoose
cue the vomit
tebow’s about to win this OT game in SD
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
why does everyone hate this kid?
who cares?
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Wondering the same thing myself
Who in their right mind would want to see Philip Rivers and Norv Turner win this game?
he himself is prolly a great guy
but the aura they’ve given him is nauseating.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
He gave himself?
By winning all the time?
I get clients down to 5% body fat with ease you fucking idiot. - dakoose
But yes i see why people hate it
I get clients down to 5% body fat with ease you fucking idiot. - dakoose
but every analyst says he is not very good, so where is this coming from?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Because it's phrased as
“he’s not very good, but he just wins games”
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers
he has been driving his teams down field late though...
lol, so what’s the issue? he may suck for the first 58 minutes and his team has been keeping him in the game… but in those final two he is getting it done. hard to argue with results…
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
like madcow said
i would root for satan himself over philip rivers… guess i don’t see or hear enough praising of this guy. the aura of this aura is quite interesting…
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
because he says stuff like
“my love for Jesus is greater than any man’s love for his wife”
Lisa needs braces ... DENTAL PLAN
by gafferland on Nov 27, 2011 6:54 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
that's kinky!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
No, the Broncos won.
In pre-game, it was all the analysts picking either the Chargers, or Tebow. It shouldn’t be that way, unless Tebow is the key player on defense and special teams as well.
I'm a ninja.
THAT is my issue
the whole “they believe in him what a difference maker!” crap.
Plus, my inner smart ass wishes he were jewish or hindi or muslim just to see if the aura would be same.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
hanie did fine for his first career start
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:49 PM CST reply actions
Yes he did...
Rough first half…. didn’t give up….
by David in Maine on Nov 27, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Pretty easy to rustle up some hope going forward.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
this was our toughest game out of this stretch...
it will get easier for him!
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 27, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
His 3 interceptions killed the teams chances.
And two of them were terrible.
nearly a third of his yards came on one play.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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yeah me too.
but he showed enough to give us hope he will be better next week and better the week after that.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Tough loss...
considering the Bears had chances to win. Hanie isn’t as bad as the 3 INTs and he could use some help from Knox. I wish Martz used his better discretion today. Let’s hope this was the “learning” game for the offense.
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The INT at the end of the first half
6 point swing right there.
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
10 pt
A bears TD into a oakland fg
I get clients down to 5% body fat with ease you fucking idiot. - dakoose
One play does not break a game.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I was assuming we wouldn't get into the endzone
But, yeah, we had a good shot at a TD there
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
that was poor execution, but firstly poor play calling
Why we chose to pass at all on a 2 and 1, I’ll never know.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
by Jessica312 on Nov 27, 2011 7:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Play action would be genius.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
That play and the many like it are the reason Martz needs to go
He always tries to be too cute with his play calling inside the red zone. Pick up the first and give your back up QB a chance to succeed. With that said. That was a horrible throw by Hanie.
by lock'em down on Nov 27, 2011 7:37 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree the execution was what made the playcalling look bad.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
yeah he really settled down the 2nd half
But that 2nd down from the 6….inexcusable play call. Still, the guys played hard let’s get ready for KC next week
I've already forgot this game and looking forward to next week.
Dont know why but this loss doesnt really bug me much.
Oh well...
Bears defensive line finally showed up. Hanie should be OK against Denver, MN, and KC. Let’s hope the defense can muster this kind of effort every week. Hoping for a better game from Martz, the play calling was just bad. This was a winnable game and it reminds me of the ‘07-’09 seasons. Let’s hope both Hanie and Martz can get this offense right. Still kinda bugged by the officiating, usually doesn’t bother me much, but I’m still angry about this one.
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Unless
Teblow does his mystic BS…But against su I cant see it
My name is T-Hagane, Leader of the Guardian Force and a big Bears fan... I have advice....If you're a Lions fan...I'll get Liam Neeson on you.
We all saw the Chargers...
defense last week. They are not half the defense the Bears are. hanie will do his bestest to make it close, but Denver isn’t much to contend with.
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I like Tebow
But the Bears will destroy him. They play zone, and they play it fast. Tebow will have very small windows to throw through an dhis running lanes will be thwarted by the entire D looking back at him
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure the Bears aren't looking past the Chiefs
and us fans can look as far ahead as we feel
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Next week it should be vs. Orton
then Tebow time!
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Well frankly if we can't beat the chiefs in our house we dont deserve to make the playoffs
48 minutes of intensity
Well
AT least the Lions were humiliated
My name is T-Hagane, Leader of the Guardian Force and a big Bears fan... I have advice....If you're a Lions fan...I'll get Liam Neeson on you.
Looking back
We should have kicked it out of the endzone, with 2:11 left instead of the onside kick.
Hold them and force a punt, we get it at midfileld with 1 minute left unless he booms another 60 yarder
I get clients down to 5% body fat with ease you fucking idiot. - dakoose
Yeah, probably
but we also had a real good shot at that onside. Could’ve gone either way.
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
I thought Peanut had the best chance at recovering that kick..
..unless it hadn’t quite gone ten yards at that point.
"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield
by DrGalazkiewicz on Nov 27, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
That...
might have been the game changer. I’m angry too. It was just a low-reward/high risk call. Completely unnecessary.
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One play can absolutely cost you a game
Wanny was right
I get clients down to 5% body fat with ease you fucking idiot. - dakoose
Exactly...
I get a tricky play call, but call one with less downside. Perhaps a throw out of the endzone first, then some weakside screen with 2 defenders and 1 guy to make a catch.
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signed roy williams, presumably to catch TDs in the red zone, where was he on that play??
It’s like he’s trying to outsmart someone and they don’t have to do that
that is not a trick play.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
It's Trick-ish?
My name is T-Hagane, Leader of the Guardian Force and a big Bears fan... I have advice....If you're a Lions fan...I'll get Liam Neeson on you.
I did say tricky...
not trick. There is a difference. It was unnecessarily risky, with almost no chance of success.
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look play-action is a tricky play, so is a draw anytime you try to sell one thing and do another is a trickish play.
screen passes are not high risk plays, and Hanie didn’t read the D right or he would have gone to plan B.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I say that's on Martz...
for calling a high-risk/low reward play. Yes. Hanie screwed it up, but why LET Hanie screw it up. Just run the goddam ball 2 times and see if you can pick up 1 yard!!! If it were an endzone pass that were intercepted, then fine, you cannot make every throw, but why throw a pass behind the line if your QB has struggles to make good throws/decisions for the ENTIRE half. Just not a smart play call.
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the bears lost, it was a bad play, your very angry right now
so I will happily continue this conversation tomorrow or the next day.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Just because something bad happened, something really, really bad, doesn't mean the play-call was risky.
Hanie made a bad decision to throw the ball into double coverage, and then the pass was tipped before being intercepted.
On 2nd and 1, Martz had a free play and should have called something riskier, like a throw into the end-zone.
The turnover is all on Hanie (his bad decision and his bad throw).
He's a 4th year veteran
He was asked to run a screen play. If the ball was tipped and fell down, we wouldn’t be talking about the play, or we’d be talking about how stupid Hanie was for throwing the pass.
2nd and 1 is the perfect time to put Hanie in a position to execute. If he doesn’t see the right look, he can throw the ball away, and the defense is probably expecting a conservative run call.
but he didn't throw the ball away, he threw an 80 yard interception because he sucks.
the call was stupid in that situation. ask your 4th year veteran who had never started an nfl game before to hand the ball off. it’s safer.
sorry you guys are a little over the top on this one
that was a conservative play call, that was on Hanie.
that is not a high risk play unless you think every play is high risk
since it is possible to fumble etc. on everyplay.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
it was a terrible call and a screen is stupid anyway down close to the goal line.
They should have pounded out a 1st down then kept it on the ground for the td with Barber.
I just wish they would have kept it on the ground and made sure that if anybody scored by the end of the half it was the Bears. Had the Bears taken 3 there, game would have ended 23-22.
by ChiTownSupremes on Nov 27, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
There is no way
you can say that definitively. None.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers
There is nothing that you can say on this cite definitively. Nothing.
But, assuming the Bears would have gotten at least 3 points in the red zone and the Raiders would not have gotten the 3 at the end of the half… the score would have probably been 23-22. Definitively.
by ChiTownSupremes on Nov 27, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Probably
can’t be definitively. It can’t.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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I can definitely say Suh is a tool.
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take you on that challenge
I’ll bring my toolbox, and we’ll compare Sug with each tool to see if he matches at least one.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 8:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That was the joke Kev.
The point it that it is stupid to sit here and pick a part others words on WCG. We are all Bears fans here. Just because someone says something and mistates a word or two, doesnt mean you gotta jump all over in there shit. Unless, you have nothing better to do…
by ChiTownSupremes on Nov 27, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Uhm, that's most of the point of the board, actually.
You presented it as a case of “if this one play does not occur in this fashion, this is the result”
You can make that case if it’s, say, the last play of the game. You cannot make that case when it’s something that happens in the 2nd quarter.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers
It was at very least a 6 point swing. You do the math.
2nd quarter or not. If the Bears do not turn that ball over they have at least 3 points and the Raiders do not score 3 points. I would do the math for you, but you would just critique my addition.
by ChiTownSupremes on Nov 27, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
If not for an athletic play by Lance Louis
that’s a TD instead. And if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, it’d be christmas every day.
It’s a bad play by Hanie—we all agree.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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I'll give you the point swing,
but you can’t “definitely” assume the game proceeds exactly as it did. Hence, Kev’s point.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 27, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
It cannot be said with exact certainty that it would not have "definitely’ been 23-22. It should be noted that, I never said that it “definitely” would be. Kev said that it is impossible to assume that it “definitely” would be 23-22 if the late 2nd quarter int. would not have happened. I agree, it is impossible to be for sure that the score would “definitely” be 23-22 had the int. not happened. I was simply saying that IMO that play had a significant impact on the overall outcome of the game.
by ChiTownSupremes on Nov 27, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry.
Had the Bears taken 3 there, game would have ended 23-22.
That seemed like a definite statement.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers
I’m not saying it was not a definitive statement, it seems Steven’s comment keyed on the word “definitely” (hence the quotes). I just noted that you used the word “definitively” to describe my statement, not that I used it to support my statement. You cannot disagree that it was at least a 6 point swing (unless you are stupid). Hence, it seems probable that the game score would be closer to 23-22 rather than 20-25, although not “definitive”.
by ChiTownSupremes on Nov 27, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Let me get the relevant part from your comment.
the score would have probably been 23-22. Definitively.
That was definitely a definitive statement.
Either way, that’s irrelevant, now, to the point. We don’t disagree there would have (likely) been a six point swing to end the half, but we are saying the rest of the game would in all likelihood not have played out the exact same, hence the final score could have been easily something not 23-22.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 27, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
The reason i ended the post with “Definitely”, was because Kev ended his post with “None”. I said it probably would have “been 23-22. Definitevely.” It was a joke about the way Kev took my statement, reread the post. I was simply stating that I was upset with that play and I thought it had a major impact on the outcome of the game. I am not stating that under any circumstance that the game would have definitely ended 22-23. That would be stupid. But thats how my statement was interpreted. It was an important play and I’m not afraid to say it, take it as you wish.
by ChiTownSupremes on Nov 27, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
You specifically said this
Had the Bears taken 3 there, game would have ended 23-22.
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your over reacting, and a screen play is basicly a running play.
you’ve got two plays to get 1 yard to say the only acceptable course of action is to call two inside running plays is just oversimplifying things. Are you aware that the Bears have the most runs for negative yards in the NFL? The Bears success running the ball doesn’t come from our Oline consistently pushing the Dline off the ball. The Screen should be a safe enough play for Hanie to execute he screws the pooch and suddenly a conservative playcall is just terrible and stupid etc.
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--Doug Plank
a screen play works when you get an aggressive pass rush in a passing situation.
when you are 2nd and 1 inside the 5, the d line is not pinning their ears back to rush the passer. It was a terrible, terrible call. Especially with an inexperienced and pitiful qb.
your still over reacting
we don’t know how the play was drawn up, what the second and third options were.
I would find it hard to believe that Martz would have called the play unless it had been covered in practice and Hanie had demonstrated he understood it. On top of that we don’t really get to see the whole play, like coaches tape showing all 22 players etc. you could see from the motion that Oakland was in man coverage which should have lead Hanie to expect to find Davis covered and prepared to move on to his second option.
We also know from recent history that this team is not very good at picking up short yardage near the goal line.
whether or not this was a terrible terrible call can be debated since we don’t actually know what the call was, but their is no doubt that this was a bad decision by Hanie.
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it wasn't really a screen it was that waggle play, throw back across to Davis
the Bears ran it earlier in the year and Davis was wide open. Hanie has to turn and locate his target before throwing the ball, if he sees the TE covered, he has to throw it in the dirt or take off.
I had no problem with the call, it was teh execution that was piss poor
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
check that is wasn't a waggle, it's full flow right throw back left
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
remember that play a few weeks ago where Culer overthew a wide open Davis
in the redzone, no one was anywhere near him. The Bears weren’t setting up a screen, as a screen calls for pulling linemen. That was just a rollout one way while sneaking a TE in the flat.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
NO YOU'RE WRONG
IT IS A SCREEN
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Honestly it may have been a screen as I;ve yet to go back and look at it more closely
but it sure did look like they were just trying to sneak Davis into the flat away from the D
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Either way...
why would you put Hanie in a position to throw a ball that, at worst, get’s picked off for a big play. It is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY riskier than a simple dive pay to get 1 yard on 2 plays. You have to call plays that don’t place your green QB into bad situations. Hanie did make a bad throw/decision, but why put him in that place to begin with. It’s the bird in hand metaphor/fable.
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At worst on a dive play there is a fumble....Risk is inherent on every play.
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IT's the...
likelihood…that’s at issue. Yes, you can fumble, but it’s far less likely to result in a huge return than a throw back across the formation into coverage. It’s a bad play call, made worse by bad execution. You cannot seriously believe that a run up the middle is MORE risky than a throw back across the formation. No matter the result, it was unnecessary to take that risk in a tight ball game with an inexperienced QB.
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I agree with the likelihood issue, but he can't be treated like a baby with this offense.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
If this were Cutler...
you have an argument, but this is Hanie. Why make him make that decision/throw. It’s just not SMART football. Run a QB sneak for 1 yard twice and kick a FG in a tight game.
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We can't be the Patriots, Steelers or '05 Bears where we can coddle the QB while the D and running game do their stuff.
We need him to do something, he has to be a part of the offense, we have to take chances for us to win. Plus he is an NFL Qb like Lester said.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
But WHY...
take THAT chance. The Bears had run the ball effectively and needed to gain 1 yard for a first down on TWO plays; and 5 yards for a TD. Throwing back across the formation where only ONE Bears receiver was able to make a catch isn’t smart. If that were a throw to the endzone, then fine, but why throw a weak pass across the QBs body in a tight game when you have a QB who has already struggled to make good throws, BEHIND the line???? It’s just not smart. YES, Hanie made a bad play, but why make HIM make a tough throw/decision? A 3 year old can hold a knife, but do you ask him to be a chef at Benihana? Martz has to be smarter than Hanie has to be Cutler. Think of the likelihood of success??
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Had Hanie just looked before throwing this wouldn't be an issue
He would have seen his wide open TE was covered, and he would have went with option #2. He’s a 4 year pro, and he made a play like an 8th grader.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
He's an NFL QB
It was a play they felt confidence in, the Raiders just read it. Watching it live I didn’t think the offense sold it very good, thus leading to the failure.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
IF Cutler...
supposedly the better QB, couldn’t make that play work….then why ask Hanie to make it work? It was an unnecessary play call with little chance of success. How many of the screen passes were the Bears able to successfully complete up to that point?? Yes, Hanie SHOULD have made a better decision, but why ask HANIE to win the game at that point It was a tight game, so why take THAT risk? Why not throw a pass to Davis in the endzone???? The worst outcome is a touchback INT.
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When they ran it before
Davis was wide open and overthrown. This time, the QB threw it into double coverage. Two different scenarios.
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Virtually the same result...
and why ask your BACK-UP QB to make a play work that your starter at QB couldn’t make?
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NOT AT ALL THE SAME RESULT
One was an incompletion, one was a tipped ball for a near TD.
One was poor execution, the other was bad decision making. If Hanie wants to be a QB in the NFL, he’s occasionally going to have to make the decisions.
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I would have rather had the Bears run the ball in that situation
But I don’t fault the play call for the result, I fault the execution. Hanie should have thrown in in the dirt, then regrouped and ran the next play.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
except at that point you don't have a bird in hand.
unless you go for a FG right then and there.
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2nd and 1 from inside the 10 yard line...
has a VERY high probability of AT LEAST being a FG. IMO, that’s a high percentage bet. Yes, anything can happen, like Knox catching more than 50% of the passes that hit his hands!
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which reminds me
did you see the double coverage on REW? If that doesn’t say we have no WR’s nothing does.
I am upset too, with Jay we win this game and we go on to have a good season 11-5 or 12-4 now we have to resign ourselves to the hope we can hang on to a WC berth and that Jay can pick up where he left off after being out for a month or more.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
As am I
I truly feel that cost us the game right there.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
by Jessica312 on Nov 27, 2011 7:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
tebow on front page of ESPN lol
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Thought that was Penn State
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Another coach is accused in Syracuse
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Flood gates.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Zactly - it's only going to get worse
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
Raiders were favored by 4
They won by 5
Its amazing
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I missed the game
But at least it sounds like Hanie got better as the game went on, so that gives some hope for the rest of the season if he is the guy.
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Inexperience
writen all over it…Im still pissed on the 2nd and 1
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If I saw that live I would have been screaming at the tv so much...
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NBC just showed us as "in the hunt" for the playoffs
but they’re wrong. They had Atlanta ahead of us, which is incorrect.
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If I understand the tiebreakers
Bears are currently 5th seed
BEAR DOWN
by rivot_rich7 on Nov 27, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
You're very correct.
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I'm not throwing rose petals to the defense
They had a chance with over 5 minutes to play to stop the Raiders. What they do? They gave up a TD on a 70 yard drive. Hanie threw some bad picks and made mistakes but the defense gotta take some of the blame too.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
They held the Raiders offense to...
six FG inside the red zone. They played great considering the offense did next to nothing to help the cause! Couldn’t disagree more.
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Well they held them to a field goal
after Caleb Hanie made Lance Louis run 80 yards to make a tackle. I’m putting it on the offense.
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Lance Louis
Is one of my favorites after that…
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that was just an awsome effort for a big guy.
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Amazingly fast for that guy...
gotta give him props. The Bears are 4 points the less bad for it…thanks to the defense.
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he took a great angle
then he got collared on a fractious penalty. these ref’s need to look before they throw
Hey at the end of the day
The offense had the ball with a chance to win it. The defense could have made the Knox play the game winning drive. They also dropped at least 3 INTs. Hanie is the starter and the reality is that they have to play even better. The did it in ‘05 and ’06. Is this defense that good? No. But you can’t let Carson Palmer march down the field on that drive.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
All the offense had to do was convert on...
2nd /3rd and 1 from the 5 and/or kick a FG. Instead they gave up an extra 3 pts for NO good reason. The loss is on the offense, not the defense.
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So the offense has to keep up its 6th ranked scoring offense with a back up to win?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The defense gave up 25 points and gave up the eventual game winning drive
No matter how it’s sliced, that’s a fact.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
6 FGs inside the 20 yard line...
3 of which are on the offense. Instead of 42 points, the Raiders scored 18. That’s a difference of 24 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You cannot say the defense didn’t STOP them. This game is a blowout loss without the defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That is the D's job.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
They DID their JOB...
by saving 24 points. If that’s the case, then EVERY loss is on the defense. That makes no sense.
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But...they didn't
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
It'a better to be realistic
In this days NFL it is asking a lot to ask a defense to pitch a shutout every game. Especially when facing a good Qb. Defenses can barely touch a Qb or a receiver these days so point will be scored.
They did what they can and played great most of the time
The offense didnt help them out almost at all
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If you're on the field a lot of the time
You’re going to get tired and that’s going to come back to bite you in the end. That’s what happened – completely gassed by the end of the game.
Still, I agree somewhat that the D did not game up when it most counted.
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Completely disagree
What do you call stopping the Raiders from scoring a TD after the Hanie INT right before the half.
You can’t ask the D to do much more than it did. The Raiders barely converted any third downs.
Hanie coulda shoulda..
… If only the OLine played better. The mistakes Hanie made are rookie mistakes, and it is only fair to expect from him to learn from today and never do them again.
Give the guy a break, it’s his first NFL start. Bring the whips, nails and crucifix if he does this again next week.
#Bears LB Brian Urlacher: “We should have won… based on the way our offense played. We didn’t play well enough on defense.”
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Well...I guess so
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That's a nice statement...
but the offense played like crap and was LUCKY the defense kept them in it. Urlacher didn’t throw 3 INTs.
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Can't give up 25 points.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The defense held the Raiders to 9 pts...
off 3 BAD INTs instead of giving up 21. It SHOULD have been 12 points worse…
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I don't see the Ravens, Pittsburgh or other elite D saying that was good enough.
And no it shouldn’t have been. The D is paid to stop the offense, so they did what they are required to do. It would have been a failure otherwise.
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Ravens defense
Man they are weird
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They would say its a failure to even have put their team in a position to lose.
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Right Shuggs
The defense gave up 25 points. We know what a dominant defense looks like so let’s not act like our defense shut down a Raider team without it’s best RB or WR. We got beat by a fullback and Palmer who actually played worse than Hanie.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Yeah, it is ludicrous to think we have to maintain a 6th ranked scoring offense with a back up.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Palmer did NOT play worse than Hanie
Sure he didn’t have any TDs or INTs, but he made the throws that needed to be made. I’d say it was a wash.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He threw plenty of duds. If TJ could catch, it would be different.
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I was screaming at Knox the whole time
It’s not enough that he gets a perfect ball thrown between his hands, he needs somebody to catch it for him too! I think he vindicated himself with those two big plays, but I expect more from him. Not sure what his contract deal is, but I can easily see him get cut after this year. I’d be surprised if a team signs him as a starting WR.
Palmer was bad.
He threw at least 3 INTs that Jennings missed and made some terrible 3rd down throws. Hanie dealt with drops and also made some of the throws he had to make. Without Janikowski the Raiders would have been toast and a lot of that would have been on Palmer.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
So now we are counting "should-of" interceptions.
Interesting…if Jay throws them, they’re a made-up stat that only Dilfer counts.
If other quarterbacks throw them, then they are an indicator of bad play.
Our fanbase confuses me sometimes.
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Well Jay Cutler wasn't throwing well then either.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We're not talking about Jay
We’re talking about if Palmer played well. Bad throws are bad throws and Jay gets enough blame if he does that. What’s funny about Hanie is that he actually did a good job of knowing where to throw the ball. He didn’t make too many bad decisions, just bad throws.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
well for the record
i’ve counted the near jay picks and have been almost run out of town for it. but i did for grossman and orton too. :)
What do you mean without Janikowski? Do you say that every time Robbie Gould boots a couple of FGs that decide the game?
Every QB is prone to having near INTs during the course of a game. Seems pretty silly to say something like that when we have Jay Cutler on the Bears. Like I said, Palmer was bad, and Hanie was equally bad, or maybe even worse. Palmer was missing weapons on his receiving corps, so take that into account also.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
yeah hanie made some bad decisions the 1st half, but I thought he settled down the 2nd half
that TD drive was the big factor a stop there and there’s a little more time to have a solid drive
^ this
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
by Jessica312 on Nov 27, 2011 7:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What else is he going to say?
The dude is too classy.
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Exactly
The defense did okay against a good diversified Oakland attack. The Bears are a bend but not break defense. Unfortunately they were on the field too much because this team doesn’t have a bonafide NFL backup quarterback.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Bonafide NFL Backup...
Ok…Wha?
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What is your definition of a "bonafide" NFL backup?
Curtis Painter? Tyler Palko? Vince Young? Christian Ponder?
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 7:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Steve Young, Tom Brady, Eli Manning.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Vince Young
I think would be a decent backup
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vince young
very well could be starting on a team next year. so i think he’s a lil better than decent back up.
He won't be.
Remember what happened when he was a starting QB? He ended up losing that job to Kerry Collins.
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I wouldn't say bad
He is capable of starting in the NFL, he may not be one of the top 20 passers in the league, but it’s not like every team has a Tom Brady.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 28, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Caleb Hanie isn't good enough
It’s just that simple. Mike Martz has never liked the kid, and for apparent good reason. His passes floated. His judgment was wretched, even when he has ample time in the pocket. Etc.
The Bears need to win 3 games to get to 10 in order to make the playoffs in my opinion. I have little faith in Hanie’s ability to preside over 3 wins. Opposing defenses are going to dare the Bears to run the football. It’s going to be stack the box and wait for Hanie to throw an ill-advised wounded duck.
Josh McCown? Can he possibly be worse. What’s Marc Bulger doing these days?
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
you're right, he is going to have to make plays and score points
the opposing D will put 8 in the box and dare us to make a play
Today's loss was repeat of the pre-Cutler era
A vanilla anemic offense that doesn’t scare it’s own shadow because of crisis at the quarterback position. This team is going to severely miss Jay Cutler, to the point I think their chances of making the playoffs is at significant risk.
I guess there are few teams that can lose a franchise QB and not feel the pain. But my goodness there has to be something better in this world than Caleb Hanie to turn to.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
they have to stick with hanie, neither of the other 2 guys are ready yet
It’s 1 loss I’m still behind #12
At least he isnt Palko
I mean he has Dwayne friggin Bowe on his team…
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Well
Lance Louis is awesome
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play him at DT. He uses correct angles.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I had this penciled as a L even before Cutler was injured
Since it’s difficult to play offense at the Oakland Colosseum with an intermittent o-line (let a alone a green QB behind it), and they’re playing really hard this season. Plus, Palmer struggled a bit at the start, but he’s a lot better than his statline suggests.
Said that, I had predicted Hanie would have…
slightly under 200yds, 1TD 2INT, around 50yd and 1TD on the ground. 2 sacks.
Which is about what happened:
254 yds, 2 TD 3 Int, 50 yd ground, 4 sacks
Maybe I was taking into account Forte with a monster game, but wasn’t that far off. Like against the Packers, he was able to drive the team close to victory, but his errors also set the team back. While the play on 2nd and 1 was on Martz, the decision to throw to a double-covered receiver was all his. Cutler would have just thrown it away, blindly into the endzone (for an INT and TB), or take a sack. Not into a highway leading to our redzone.
Time is short, he will get better along with it. The question is if meanwhile he doesn’t kill our playoff chances in the process.
In brief, this was hard from the get-go, should be concerned but it’s only time to flip out if we lose to the Chiefs. Also, I demand the return of the Haniestache, and he could well ask Cutty to relay the “f-him” message to Martz on his behalf.
I couldn't care less where we played
Oakland has been pretty mediocre at home this season. If Jay Cutler plays today, I have no doubt that the Bears would’ve won.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 7:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't talking about Hanie
He mentioned that even before Jay’s injury, he had this game pencilled in as a loss.
I wasn’t expecting a win either today, not with Hanie under center.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 7:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mediocre...
… such as our o-line in adverse (read: noisy) situations? With Cutler, we’d have a much better shot at a win, but it would still be tough. We can’t assume, just because this game was close with Hanie, would be a lock with Cutler.
I will assume that we'd win
Because their best players are a FB, A Kicker and a Punter. And because Jay is that good
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No doubt it would be tough
But if we were able to hang in there with a backup QB who played mediocre, I feel pretty good about our chances with a starter who has been having a pretty decent season.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
36 pass attempts against a bad RusH D
with a guy who hasnt started a nfl game..poor game plan
because TLR
That's not accurate
The majority of those pass attempts came when the Bears were in big catch up mode. The Bears did run the football, but it was Hanie’s failure to move the chains and his 3 God-awful interceptions that turned the tide. You can have Walter Payton in his prime in that backfield and you are STILL going to need to throw the football proficiently at some minimal level. Hanie gets an F minus for today. He was wretched.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
F minus? Nah sounds kinda meatheadish
he gets a D from me…Cause he didn’t totally stink it up, and played way better than Collins would play if he was still here…ugh
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I seen worse
If he showed no hope that he could get better at all, THEN I would agree with him. But he made a few good plays… He wasn’t good but he wasn’t mindnumbingly turrible…He can get better…But yeah he bad but shows some kind of hope that he can improve a bit
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I'm stunned by all the Hanie apologists
He showed NOTHING today to instill faith in his ability to QB this team for 6 games. Let alone help this team limp along to a playoff berth. He judgment was awful, his passes floated, his eyes fixated in spaces and receivers….
What did I miss that shows anybody hope in Hanie? More importantly, what do you think opposing defensive coordinators will see when they game plan the Bears? They are going to DROOL about stacking the box on Forte.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
It is what we face. The Raiders were second toughest opponent remaining and he still threw two TDs.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Craig Krenzel had a game where he threw two touchdowns too
You get the point. Getting 3 wins in 5 games with Hanie at QB is going to be tough.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Not in his first start and not against a tough opponent on the road. You don't get
the situation at all it seems.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
What do you mean stunned?
Obviously we haven’t had a chance to see what he can fully do. You threw a guy who has never started a game into a hostile environment, what the hell did you expect? If he sucks the next couple of games, we’ll call a spade a spade. Plenty of other QBs have had terrible first games, but have done decent in the league.
All of the problems you listed out are correctable, and all of them are hallmarks of a guy who has little to no experience in gameday situations.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
That's a silly way to grade him.
He did stink it up—he was too hesitant to run when he should’ve, and he was indecisive on his passes.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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I said he didn't "totally" stink it up
But yeah he did stink it up
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Martz call
at the end of the first half decided the game. Six point swing was the difference in the ball game. Should’ve played conservatively and taken the three points, plus lead.
My notes…
Tim Jennings is playing balls out right now.
Peppers unleashed the Predator.
Hanie had bad decision making, but made some plays and helped lead a comeback.
Melton had a good game, so did Okoye.
Barber ran with some authority- Raiders not keying on him proved to be a mistake.
Conte took very bad angle on Reece’s long run (pass?). Still like our young safeties.
Know with a good game, but dropped key 1st quarter 3rd down conversion.
Lovie won another challenge!
Bears win if Cutler plays….hands down.
Don’t fret fans, cause the Chefs will fall at Solder’s next Sunday. Tebow time the follow week! I’ll be there in person…
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
The only play all game
Still had a chance at the end to win. Defense did its job.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
Jennings jammed the receiver
at the line. Should have had safety help. Conte was late to the party.
Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.
Were they in 2 deep on that play?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 28, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
I figure yes
Jennings was in the right place all game, but should’ve held onto a couple INTs.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
Don't grade Hanie on desperation moment heroics
As Ron Jaworski once said (and I wholeheartely agree) the absolute biggest mistake to make when evaluating a QB is to overly fixate on what he did in scramble time. It’s the same rationale the Hanie supporters apply to his performance against Green Bay in the playoffs.
Hanie utterly sucked today. He didn’t belong on the football field.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
But McCown does
after not being in the NFL for the past 2-3 years
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McCown
has a better track record as a professional quarterback than Hanie. There’s a point to be made there. I’m not particularly interested in doing it, but there is one to be made there.
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after the 3rd pick
I sent a friend a text asking how soon til McCown would be ready… But I saw enough from Hanie to think he’ll be ok.
One thing that gets lost in this whole thing is the Raiders are a pretty good team and Oakland is a tough place to play.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty good, for sure
Still, a shame to not be able to walk out with a win considering all the injuries at wideout and RB.
some of his throws from the pocket were well timed
Some of his scrambles, he had a few drops that hurt his overall numbers, and yes that 1 long pass to Knox was put in a good place.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
How is that pass lucky?
If that pass is lucky, than every NFL pass is also lucky.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
How in god's name does that even make sense?
Isn’t that the whole point of the game? To limit your team’s mistakes while causing the other team to MAKE mistakes? Wow, some of your comments make no sense.
by Midway Bully on Nov 29, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Let's call every big run, every big pass and every big return that has ever happened in the NFL
a lucky play. Oh yeah.
by Midway Bully on Nov 29, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Instead of doing something stupid, like that
why not look at the situations they occur in? and don’t be such a bully.
I'm not grading him on that
He’s better than a lot of backups in the league. Look at all the garbage QBs out there. Plus, it’s not the easiest to have your first start in the black hole.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
So that invalidates Tom Brady's first 6 years and John Elway's first 15 years AND Big Ben's status.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
nice
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Were you saying this
during Jay’s 1st year with us?
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Honesty is strong in you my friend lol
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Star Wars.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Teach you I will
I’m not afraid…..you will be, you will be.
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yuck
hey long time all.
the mistakes hanie made today are a guy who doesn’t get enough real game time, i wonder if neckbeard in a new offense would have been worse. i sort of doubt it, since throwing a screen is throwing a screen, as well as takign a sack instead of throwing off your back foot in the grasp. the grounding at the end? terrible.
this does show how important cutler is to the overall offense, the running game is nothing like it was in 05 when they could get by with pedestrian at best QB play.
i know most have said the bears should still make the playoffs, but what i say today from the team overall is not enough to beat a good team for sure, and maybe not enough to beat the more blah teams.
we’ll see.
Exactly
this does show how important cutler is to the overall offense
How many busted plays did Cutler turn into something through out the season? To expect Hanie to perform under similar circumstances is ridiculous. 4 sacks, numerous pressures…Hanie was set up to fail by an O line which still isn’t getting it done.
^ this
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
by Jessica312 on Nov 27, 2011 8:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Have to be realistic
It’s his first start ever, he’s pressured almost every throw, and like somebody up above mentioned, 36 pass attempts for a running team. Broncos ran 55 run plays, through 8 times in one game and won. Not saying the Bears should get that extreme, but they could have been a hell of a lot smarter about play-calling.
not entirely true. hanie was under pressure the whole game
But Jay just handles the pressure better and has been avoiding the sacks.
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
by Jessica312 on Nov 27, 2011 8:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and I also agree that play calling was not very good either
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
by Jessica312 on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting
That Bush had more carries than Forte and Barber put together, and yet Hanie’s got as many pass attempts as Palmer. Can’t imagine what Lovie was thinking going against the 27th ranked run defense.
Well
by all accounts, he doesn’t create the offensive game plan.
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a chicago bears o line
should be able to run almost at will, circa 05. as flawed as that mentally is in the current NFL, thats how they build themselves. their weaknesses have been hidden by how good cutler is.
Yup.
the mistakes hanie made today are a guy who doesn’t get enough real game time
,\
He’s a backup QB, being thrust into a system where backup QBs don’t get a lot of reps during practice.
Hanie isn’t Cutler (zip on throws, reading progressions), but with more reps he should be fine. Being thrust into real-time situations (NFL speed) will be difficult for him, just as it would for any backup. Hopefully, his mobility and intelligence will help him improve in weeks to come.
I figure he’ll have a rough go at it for the first couple games, and hope our defense and special teams will keep us in it, then see him come full circle after a few games of live reps.
I'm a ninja.
you can't say he should be fine
we don’t know hanie. we don’t know there’s an offense that he can thrive in.
i heard alot this week how hanie should be better than he was in the championship game since he’s gotten the full number 2 reps (which i believe are near zero anyway with the first team).
my concern is this team doesn’t have enough time for him to figure it out this year to do anything. he’s not matt flynn stepping in.
This game shows the importance of Cutler
And how he’s made that o-line look better with his ability to keep plays alive.
And the threat his arm gives to open up the running game.
Have a bad feeling about the rest of the season
Martz did make some poor calls, but Hanie’s overall execution was quite poor. It was only his first start, but something tells me his indecisiveness as well as poor decison making is his hallmark. If he bombs at home against KC, send in McCown.
Nice. I get it...
I wonder how many other will.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
which do you preferr the 'ol blue eyes version or Judy's
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Is Judy's the one where she gets real weepy?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 27, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
yes lol thats called the "dramatic" version the other is the "lyrical" version
but I thought Judy was kinda hot back in the day.
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--Doug Plank
by ed_brown on Nov 27, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
On a bright note
Robbie kicked some ass today. 50 yarder and a 53 yarder. Nice to know he’s got that kind of range these days (weather permitting) – could come in really handy down the stretch.
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
Thoughts on the screen, defensive performance, Hanie
About the screen playcall…
If you can’t trust your QB to make the right decision about if he should throw the screen, you’re as good as dead. He simply can’t throw that pass. And for the people who are taking Martz to task on it, there is a certain rhythm to the play call. Martz may have seen over pursuit by the defense leading up to that play, which would explain the screen call. I’m sorry, but you can’t put that on Martz.
About the defense’s performance…
I can’t believe there are people putting this game on the defense. I wouldn’t say they were dominant, but come on. 4 sacks, 1 INT, barely allowed 300 passing yards after offense turned the ball over 3 times, less than 3 yards per rush, allowed for only 3/15 third down conversions. I’m actually a bit pissed anyone would put this on the defense. Brain hurts.
Hanie’s performance…
Look, he didn’t play well, but he has virtually no in game experience in the NFL. He calmed down in the second half, and that pass to Knox to setup the last TD proves that you can’t assume he can’t kill you down the field. Teams will think twice about loading the box all the time. The bottom line is if Hanie played the entire game like he did the second half, we’d have probably won. Give the kid a break. Saying he showed nothing is a gross exaggeration. People need to seriously calm down.
Disagree a little bit...
Martz may have seen over pursuit by the defense leading up to that play, which would explain the screen call. I’m sorry, but you can’t put that on Martz.
Here’s the problem with this…that particular screen pass has been ran 3 times and it’s been was moderately successful once. The first time they tried it, Cutler over threw a wide open TE against ATL. The second time they got several yards out of it (Can’t remember which team), and the third time was the Hanie INT. My point is why run a play that even Cutler has a problem running successfully with a first time starter, that close to the goaline?
Honestly Martz has lost the benefit of the doubt with those kind of calls because everyone knows that he’s due to make a silly playcall in the redzone at least once a game. He’s world renown for trying to be too cute and to try to show how smart he is. That’s why he can’t get a coaching job. It was 2nd and 1 and the Bears had all their Timeouts. Seriously…run the ball, get the first down, then try to maybe run some kind of playaction bootleg. But to pull out a play that hasn’t worked this season was silly.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
If that was the third time
then before this attempt, that means cutler had converted 1/2, for 50%. Not really the sample size to say “he has difficulty”
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That's really a silly way to look at it
Fact is that’s it’s not an easy play to run and it isn’t a bread and butter play you can count on. The fact that you’ve only attempted it 3 times all season is proof enough that it was the wrong call.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
unfortunately we don't get a good view of what is really happening on the field
we get the follow the ball point of view and can’t see what half the players are doing. we never get to see what Martz is seeing up in the sky box and we never get to see coaches tape.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Precisely
There’s a difference between expecting Hanie to execute the play to score and expecting him to not throw it to the screen receiver when he’s not open. Not the most ideal play call? Fair enough criticism. But to put the blame that the play resulted in an INT that almost cost the bears a TD, but resulted in 3 points instead on Martz?! Give me a break. That’s clearly on Hanie. You don’t throw the ball on a screen to the screener if he’s covered. That’s the first thing you learn pretty much about running a screen, and I refuse to believe Hanie’s first experience with running screens is the NFL.
Not trying to throw Hanie under the bus, because he’s rusty and inexperienced playing in a road game. Stuff like that does happen in such circumstances, but Hanie did other disastrous things like the last play of the game, too. It didn’t matter if it was the perfect play call, Hanie could have made the mistake.
lol
hanie stinks lets put in McCown….
back up is always the most popular guy in town
Methinks the sentiment about Hanie is
That if he wants to be a starter in this League, he must strap on his big boy pants and show a little more than he did. He can score which is more than you can say for most backups. That being said I don’t think his ceiling is much higher. He was a backup for a reason.
So was Tom Brady
Hanie sucks but not because he’s a backup.
by Gentleman Jim on Nov 27, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
What were you expecting, a fringe pro-bowler?
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
For goodness sakes, it was the guy's first game
If he repeats his performance the next few weeks, fine, let’s call him for what he is. It is ridiculous to pass out judgements after his first fricking NFL start. He made terrible decisions, and he made some great decisions. He was pressured throughout the day, in a hostile environment, trying to live up to expectations. Let’s give him just a teeny bit of breathing room, shall we?
Like I said, if his performances are bad next couple of weeks, then fine, lets grab our pitchforks and start rabbling.
by Midway Bully on Nov 27, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Rare to get a brady or young as a backup.
But yeah, you’re right.
Well he is an intended backup for Petes sake
I’m willing to bet there are not many teams out there who can have their top qb sustain an injury and have to transfer the duties over to the backup without missing a beat. We should be fine as long as hanie doesn’t commit mistakes. As has been mentioned before, going forward our schedule is very doable.
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ive calmed down going forward hanie has to play better it's that simple
I don’t expect him to look like Tom Brady out there but he’s gotta have a maximum of one interception per game in order for us to be able to succeed. I wasn’t a big fan of the defense but they gave us a chance and other than that one drive which gave them their only td, they played a decent game all things considered. I respectfully have to disagree with those that say differently, including my main man Urlacher. Bottom line, if hanie doesn’t throw three interceptions, we win the game.
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It's Cutler withdrawl
After the plays he made, almost anybody they bring in to replace him is going to look like a high school QB.
by rightnasty on Nov 28, 2011 11:20 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Truth
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
But Caleb did make a lot of dumb mistakes, though. Rookie mistakes, which is understandable I guess, he just needs to really pick it up now
May the Oline hold, May Cutler not get sacked into oblivion, may Urlacher break some legs, and may they come to their senses and pay Forte. AMEN.
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