Chicago Bears fans, get off Mike Martz's case
I'm sure Mike Martz would like to have that second quarter 2nd and 1 call back. You know the one, the Bears were on the Raiders 7 yard line with just 35 seconds remaining. Martz called that throw back pass to Kellen Davis, and the Raiders didn't bite at all. Interception. During the course of a game there are many plays an offensive coordinator would like to take a mulligan on. Sometimes his counterpart makes a call that thwarts his play. Sometimes a defensive player does something outstanding to make the stop. Sometimes the defense audibles and stymies an offense. And sometimes his own players fail to execute the play called.
I can almost guarantee that every time that play was run in practice at least one coach was in the quarterbacks ear saying something like, 'only throw it if he's wide open' and/or 'if it ain't there, run or throw in in the dirt'. Hanie ran that play enough times in practice for the Bears to be comfortable with his decision making. On the play the Bears motioned Roy Williams left to right, leaving Earl Bennett and Davis on the left side. They had Matt Forte offset right in the backfield and Johnny Knox was lined up to the right as well. Hanie half rolled right and he actually had Williams open on the quick out route, but he either had his mind made up to execute the throw back or he was instructed that all other receivers in the route were decoys. It's very possible that Davis was the lone target on the play. But the route combination from Knox and Williams is a common one, and having a backside option off the look makes more sense. That would require the QB to read the frontside of the play before looking back at the TE.
Oakland was in man to man defense and OLB Aaron Curry was either manned up with Chicago's Davis or he was zone/spying Hanie. Either way he made a great read on the play and he jumped the floating pass. Kamerion Wimbly snagged the batted ball and so goes at least a 6 point swing.
The bottom line was Caleb Hanie threw the ball before getting a good enough look at Davis, but the play was obviously the fault of Martz for putting Hanie in a position to throw at that time. Or so I've heard. He should have just ran the ball up the middle! OK, so now you have to either take your final timeout or kill the clock and I'm guessing they were holding the 3rd TO to get the field goal unit on the field. The what if's have been out if full force the last few days.
Martz has become such a convenient whipping boy for Bears fans, that he rarely gets credit even when he does something positive. Then on a play like this one that's so easy to second guess due to the outcome, he gets drug through the coals. He called a solid and a balanced game on Sunday. The Raiders had a good defensive gameplan that revolved around stopping Matt Forte and the ground game. Forte had one good run on the day that made his numbers look better than they were, and Marion Barber was clearly more effective by running tough between the tackles. They could have ran a little more, but if Martz went really conservative and the Bears lost he'd get ripped for not trusting his 4th year QB to make a play.
When I look back at the game I'm OK with the throwback play, but I would have liked to have seen more 1st down play action passes. Oakland was jacked to stop Forte, so the early play action would have eventually opened up some running room. And on some of the 3rd and longs, I would have liked to have seen a few draws. Even if the draw didn't pick up a 1st down, as long as it was a positive gainer, you now have the draw in the Raiders head. Doing those two things early would have payed dividends in the second half.
Hindsight is never wrong, but blaming Martz for putting Hanie in position to make a mistake is faulty logic. I'm not ready to absolve Martz 100% for the call, but it was a safe call if executed properly. After looking to Davis and seeing the Raider defender ready to pounce, he should have simply thrown it in the dirt. That would have set up a 3rd and 1 with about 30 seconds left. The problem with the play wasn't the play itself, it was the execution.
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Same here
Thanks for stepping up and defending Martz. It was a play that the Bears had success with earlier in the year that an unexperienced Hanie turned into a disaster. Martz will yell at Hanie afterwards and it will never happen again. End of story, let’s move on.
by eastcoastbears on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Capturing my thoughts perfectly.
How many screens (that were completely shut down) did Hanie decide to throw inexplicably? Like…3…Can’t blame Martz for all poor execution and on-field decision making.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Nov 29, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well said!
I have never really liked Martz and was on the “Fire Martz” bandwagon not so long ago. But he HAS tweaked his scheme, my major complaint with him, and it’s been working. He may be prone to calling a bad-play but this Bears offense has been scoring and moving the ball up and down the field a lot more efficiently since Martz changed up the play-calling and it’s a bit ridiculous that that is being completely overlooked all because of 1 bad play-call and even worse execution.
by frenchbears113 on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM CST reply actions
He still hallucinates sometimes
But we have far more nimble play calling than in the past, so I’m ok with Mad Mike.
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 29, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it's just the nature of the internet,
but a lot of people expect every single play called to be successful. On a dropped pass, somebody sucks. Whether it’s the WR, OC, WB… doesn’t matter. A run up the middle that loses a yard? Someone sucks and needs to be fired/cut/traded. Every play must work, or else hyperbole.
I’ve mentioned it before, but a lot of the plays an OC calls during the course of a game they know will fail, but they call it anyhow to set up something else down the road. Prime example: Bears fans wanted Martz fired repeatedly this season for calling that Hester reverse that never works. But, he kept calling it. And look what happened against the Raiders… They called that same reverse to Hester, but this time it was a play-action fake to him, with Hanie pulling up to throw downfield. The safety bit on the play, undoubtedly because they had seen that play run a dozen times on film, and KDavis was wide open downfield. Unfortunately, a LB blitz wasn’t picked up, and Hanie was hit as he threw the ball.
I agree with your post, and think it’s more just trendy to criticize Martz at this point. Has he been bone-headed his share of times? Sure he has, just like every other coordinator in the league. But does he make this offense pretty decent considering the below-average OL and the average WRs? I think so.
I'm a ninja.
The only quip I have with what you said is:
I think the WRs should be classified as below average. Watching Knox in the first half was painful with all those drops. On the year, only two WRs on the Bears have catching percentages equal to or over 60%; Earl Bennett (62%) and Roy Williams (60%). The rest are Sam Hurd (57%), Sanzenbacher (53%), Knox (51%), and Hester (45%). If the Bears expect to improve their offensive potency, they must find WRs who can gasp consistently catch the ball.
E.F.K.
For what it's worth, Jay Cutler throws some very difficult balls to catch.
For every time that he threads a needle and puts a pass right on the money, he throws another that is behind a WR, too high, etc, that causes them to have to make some very acrobatic catch attempts.
I'm a ninja.
For what it's worth
our receivers also drop some very easy balls to catch. Even my wife has taken to calling Roy Williams “butterfingers”.
yeah but I still laugh when players get blamed for slips. Knox slipped a couple of times and all of the sudden hes a bad reciever.
Its not your skill set that stops you from slipping. It could be as simple as a bad spot on the field or that his cleats were packed. Not excuses but its not always the recievers fault..
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
knox wasn't that great before he slipped a couple of times
he is a #3 receiver with speed.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
If Williams is "butterfingers"
is Hester “club hands”? Don’t get me wrong, I love Hester as a return man, but as a receiver there’s a lot to be desired. Williams leaves some to be desired as well, but at least he’s catching 60% of the passes thrown his way.
E.F.K.
That might be a good name for him
‘Club hands with lightning feet.’
The point I was trying to make is that even my wife with her limited football knowledge can recognize there are a lot of throws that our receivers should be able to catch but don’t.
In the end there’s plenty of blame to go around: poorly made throws, dropped catches, play calling, and crappy turf.
Yes
As a quarterback Jay Cutler is streaky (i.e. when he’s hot he’s awesome and when he’s cold he’s, well, cold), however every game there are plays that the WRs need to make and simply do not do so. For example, in the OAK game, sure Knox caught that 85 yrd bomb late in the game to set up a TD and also had another TD receiving. However early in the game he destroyed drives almost single-handedly by dropping what should have been easy completions, tripping and missing the ball etc.
IMO, one of the reasons the Packers have such success is because their receivers all catch the balls and are able to read defenses; not necessarily because they can “torch” defenses deep. Being super speedy (Knox, Hester) doesn’t matter if they can’t catch, and personally I would rather have the Bears stocked with possession receivers a la Earl Bennett.
E.F.K.
Perhaps we should look less at pure blame...
and more at the reality of solving these problems. Which is most likely to be successful?
a. Cutler gets traded for a QB who is better in some way, say throwing more catchable passes or makes better decisions about the placement of those passes
Bears get WRs who are better at catching the passes Cutler thorws.c. Bears keep current QB/WRs and hope they get better at throwing/catching respectively.
FORTE: PAY THE MAN!
I'd love to see
your suggested option of
Bears get WRs who are better at catching the passes Cutler thorws.but we also have to take into account that our defense isn’t getting any younger. I worry by the time things are fixed on the offense that we’ll have major issues that need to be addressed on defense.
I was trying to take an objective/rational approach...
I do agree that the Bears aren’t likely to get their offensive sh!t together before the better parts of their defense age into retirement. But to me, these are the 3 basic options they have.
FORTE: PAY THE MAN!
giants v new orleans
giants got their clock wiped in this game. why? early on they were in it but dropped passes killed them. saints, every ball it seemed was caught with devastating effects.moral of this story. catch the ball, kill the opposition
Your right, But I still hate Martz
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Aren't you the person who said your life was being affected by the Forte contract thing?
I'm a ninja.
by Dane Noble on Nov 29, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
my life is affected by my shitty job, but I do hope Forte remains a Bear
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Blaming Martz and his playcalling is one thing
But neither Caleb Hanie’s nor Johnny Knox’s respective play did not help matters at all on Sunday. Hanie made some very poor throws which resulted in a couple of ints. Johnny Knox dropped a few key passes. You can only blame a coach for so much until you look at the poor execution from the players.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM CST reply actions
Erik is it possible that REW was wearing Johnnys jersey on those drop?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I dont see how the clock was an issue
if ur saving that TO for the FG anyway. just run for the first take a TO then 3 shots in the endzone
So the quarterback who was already making a showing of bad decisions
you want throwing three quick endzone passes?
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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That's better than the garbage call he made
Those plays do not work inside the ten yard line. Where are the defenders? Stacked on the line of scrimmage waiting for a stupid play.
Besides, they could’ve ran the ball twice before throwing. Chances are they score cause the Raiders are 27th in the league vs the run.
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Good post but I can't disagree more...
I’m not ready to absolve Martz 100% for the call, but it was a safe call if executed properly.
It’s not a safe call for a guy in his first game to attempt a throw that a seasoned vet in Cutler already goofed up himself. Let alone the fact that the screen game isn’t even a strength of Hanie’s. Also it’s not a safe play in general to throw across the field of play, against your body.
All it is another cute gimmick play by Martz. I know it’s easy to dog fans as being simple minded to always blame to OC when a play doesn’t work but this is MArtz’s MO. This is the guy who forgot about Marshall Faulk in a Super Bowl. This is the guy that got ran out of Detroit, almost ruined Vernon Davis career and got one of the most durable QBs in football concussed last year. This is the guy who every year has to be reminded after the first 4-5 games to change his philosophy to fit the team he has.
The guy gets called out justly. Has he done some good things? Yes. Has he had some good playcalling games? Sure. But if every game I have to go “WTF??”And it takes Cutler to curse at him to get the right plays called then we have an issue.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Nov 29, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I agree
If he left for ASU tomorrow, I would not shed a tear.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 29, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Screens are "gimmick" plays now?
I thought things like the Flea Flicker or Hook & Ladder were gimmick plays, not things based on fundamental tenets of offensive execution.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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i think he means that this particular variety
is too complex to be considered a good ol’ screen pass
hence, “gimmick”
No
Running to the other side of the field to then turn around and throw a ball across the field is a gimmick. You know that’s not a conventional screen pass. Besides, who runs any kind of screen near the goaline anyway? So yeah I think it’s kind of gimmicky.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
100% chance of meatballs
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
by ed_brown on Nov 29, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pity Cloudy_Future hasn't commented on this.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Nov 29, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't agree that in the context of the game it was a good call.
The Bears were fortunate to be down by only 2 with the half coming to a close. The smarter move would have been to wind the clock and settle (presumably) for a 1 point halftime lead. Why unnecessarily challenge your backup QB, in his first start, on the road, after having already thrown two very bad picks? I just don’t understand the need to get too cutesy under the circumstances.
I’m just glad Lance didn’t break his finger making the tackle.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
I said this above but...Was every screen call a bad one? Because Hanie executed every one (that I saw) poorly.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Nov 29, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
This is true
For a starting QB (or even one who has played a decent amount of NFL football) screens should be good, safe plays which can turn into big plays with good blocking. They do however require a good deal of understanding to get the timing correct (anybody remember the various disasters of screen plays in Cutler’s first year with the Bears?). Hanie hasn’t had those chances which is why every screen looked like a guessing game in terms of timing.
Maybe a more conventional screen opposed
to the razzle-dazle roll right, lob left that was called. This was the best play in the playbook for the situation? It takes a long time to develop and too many things can go wrong, like Hanie having to think.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Never.
Martz likes to make ballsy calls at the wrong points in the game. Sean Payton has the same style of unconventional plays, yet he modifies them to personal.
Every year we seem to drop 3 winnable games simply because Martz couldn’t reign himself in and run the ball. He seems to have trouble adapting his play calling to the offensive personnel he has. It’s one thing to have only a decent oline, but to continually put your QB at a disadvantage due to schemes (by which I mean 11 step death drops without a TE chipping) is certifiably insane.
With Martz there games of lucidity and insanity. With this team being on the bubble, the Bears can’t afford ANY insanity games to reach the SB again.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Nov 29, 2011 1:09 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
You make it sound like Martz has been the OC for years
Every year we seem to drop 3 winnable games
by Midway Bully on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Martz does it again.
Once again, as soon as it looks like Martz is getting with the program of working inside of the Bears talent, he has to prove to the world I am smarter than you are. The offfense was moving the ball fine with ever thing under control. With two big targets like Davis and Roy Williams, why not something conventional? No way that the pass back screen was the 2nd or 3rd option on the play. Martz can not get himself out of 1999, weare not that team. For weeks they have found a common ground that made the offense finally start to come together (way less passing more balance) I like passing as much as anybody, I just hate convoluted trickery garbage. Good teams expect to be able to drop back, run good routes and throw the ball, average teams count on hocus pocus to get the ball in the end zone. Hated the play (also the bubble screen that has worked maybe 2 or 3 times). They need this guy to work with what we have and not out think himself when it is working.
Martz and Hanie are equally to blame...
but the solution to this mess is going to have to come on the better discretion of Martz and not Hanie. Yes, Hanie needs to make better decisions and execute plays with a greater degree of competency, but that is putting the cart before the horse. Martz needs to take the first step toward making Hanie’s decisions less detrimental to the team. Martz, IMO, gets a little too wrapped up in his “genius” and tends to expect more than he’s likely to receive from his players. It may not be glamorous or sexy, but ugly wins with the back-up QB are sufficient for now. Start small and work toward greater complexity based upon gradual improvement. I am fine with the expectations Martz has for Cutler, they should be commensurate with Jay’s salary and capability, but the TEAM needs to win games and for the sake of team victories, Martz has to be the better man and rise above his ego and just “manage” his QB/offense for the overall success of the team.
FORTE: PAY THE MAN!
No
As I wrote somewhere else:
Mike Martz doesn’t care who the QB is under center, he’s going to call his plays no matter what. That’s what hurt Hanie. He’s been learning this offense for two years, yes, but there’s a big difference between reading a playbook, throwing some passes in practice and actually playing in a full-speed game.
Martz doesn’t take any of that into account. He has the plays he wants to call that he believes can beat the defense he sees on the field and he’s going to call those plays. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Kurt Warner, Mark Bulger, Jon Kitna, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler, Caleb Hanie or Todd Collins. Doesn’t matter whether the QB has the mental or physical capability of completing the play. Martz is calling the same plays for all those QBs regardless of their different talents and skill sets.
It’s his major failure as a coordinator. He just doesn’t seem to take into account personnel. It’s more than just this one play, it was the whole game.
I also disagree that it was a balanced game. 23 run plays and 44 pass plays. If we were down by two or three scores most of the game, then that would be reasonable. Down by 5 most of the game with your running game averaging 5 yards per carry and your QB playing too nervously? Run the ball.
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
Martz is doing some things right.
He just can not be satisfied unless he is the craftiest thinker out there.
Yes
But it should have been at least 23 points, and it wasn’t because he called a play that got major publicity in Week 1 despite it’s failure and he called it in almost the exact same circumstances (think it was 3rd and 1 at the 7 against Atlanta, 2nd and 1 at the 7 in Oakland).
Hanie had no chance at this play working because Aaron Curry had it sniffed out immediately.
Check out the video, Curry starts running towards Kellen Davis before the ball is even out of Hanie’s hand. Then rewind the video and watch Roy Williams. He goes in motion and then is wide open for at least a 1st down at the 1 or 2 but Hanie only has eyes for Davis because that’s what the Martz play calls for.
Martz is a good offensive coordinator, he can put up 20 points against a stout Raiders offense with a backup QB. But calling boneheaded plays like that screen is why he’s only good and not great.
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
He started covering a wide open receiver?
While I don’t doubt that Curry may have sniffed it out a bit, if one of the biggest non-linemen on the field is releasing wide open, you cover him.
Again, if the pass just gets knocked down, and that cornerback doesn’t sneak back around and grab it, it falls to the ground, and we all just shrug and go “eh”
You can’t fault him because Hanie didn’t look at a different open receiver. Part of the play is for Hanie to draw a significant amount of pressure towards himself—he can’t go through a three read progression, he’s got time for maybe two, tops.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Looking at it again
You can put a big chunk of it on Webb, too.
Webb spends literally the least amount of time on his guy, by design of the play, but then he gets out in space, and doesn’t get in front of Davis to make a block on Curry.
Webb knows the play call—he knows where the ball is going—and he’s within blocking distance of a guy who’s going after what we assume is the primary receiver.
Yet he does diddly squat.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Hanie should have located Curry as he turned to hit Davis
His presnap read should have told him man to man coverage when Roy Williams went in motion and the Raider DB followed him. He should have known that Curry was responsible for Davis.
Before he lobbed the pass he should have peeked at Curry, and if Curry didn’t bail into a zone with Davis pass blocking the throw should have went into the dirt.
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 29, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
There's a distinct difference between 5ypc as a stat...
And 5ypc as a concept. The Bears were lucky to get 5ypc.
They’re were a copious amount of <2 yard rushes. Why? Because the game state showed one thing: The Raiders were stopping the run. Lowered safeties, hard contains outside.
If the Bears ran 33 times, I’d venture to say that the Bears would have probably been closer to 3ypc than 5ypc.
I also have no confidence in your opinion on ‘Mike Martz doesn’t care who the QB is under center, he’s going to call his plays no matter what’ as being fundamentally misleading.
1) He’s going to call his own plays, every OC does. It’s their job.
2) You have no evidence of this.
3) I disagree that he doesn’t take personnel into account. Mostly on #2, but, based on the changes over the year have really given evidence to the contrary that he’s calling better runs, the line is playing cohesive, he’s able to open the playbook with Cutler… and he did much the same with Hanie at the same time, many of the same plays he called with Hanie because… it’s not just about the QB, it’s about the WR’s knowing the plays, knowing their locations, and the practice between the two. It’s So much more than ‘his vision’ as it is to have continuity amongst the offense.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Marion Barber was very consistent in all his carries
His physical style is ideal in a situation like Sunday when the other defense stacks the box the way they did — Forte for the most part was getting stuffed in the inside. The disappointing thing was the we never tried to sustain drives with Barber, and always seem to get pass happy towards the end, which was exactly the case with the two 4th quarter Gould FG’s. Although Martz used the running game substantially, there seems to be no faith in it. There’s no problem in busting out the additional 2 yards on 3rd down with another handoff. Likewise, there’s no need to hand it off every first down.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
by GriggsBriggs on Nov 29, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Even the Broncos...
Understood that they needed to make adjustments around Tebow. A smart OC NEEDS to take his QB’s skills and capabilities into account and make those adjustments (IMO) not only for the benefit of the QB, but for the team.
Martz is a Problem
His fallback is always the pass game and he is not patient enough with the run game. Matt Forte didn’t connect, but Marion Barber found some large holes up the gut. Yet Martz abandoned Barber. You have to go with what works. Hanie also found some of these gaps, but only ran up the gut a few times. Martz is unable to adapt in the middle of a game like other good coaches are. He is too inflexible to adjust to what is working.
How many coaches could get 20 points out of the talent on the offensive side of the field?
Martz is one of the team’s strengths.
Well i wasn't on his case til this week but
I already argued with Kev last night so don’t want to rehash. But I don’t have an issue with margarine playcalling with cutler in, I just think he didn’t put janie in a position for success most of the time. I agree with some of what wilt is saying but if you are going to run playaction throw the curl in to knock or Roy (hardly say this at all).what happened to the counter behind Louis? Run it once for 33 yards and then abandoned that play for forte? I think Hanie didn’t play well but improved throughout the game. Little safer passing game and less bonehead qb will spell victory. Kev I still heart you…
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Safer?
I think he could have gone downfield more often… It actually might have been better if he did.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 29, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
yep
We should have thrown 50 times and could have had 5, even 6 picks! Maybe next game…
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
by tfrabotta on Nov 29, 2011 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's not what I meant.
Everything was really cramped in the 15 yard box from the LOS. Screens were sniffed out, there was no vertical play to keep the safeties honest, the DE’s didn’t have to press as hard.
This left the screens crippled and the run game only able to break big gains on missed responsibilites and tackles moreso than grinding runs of 4-6.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 29, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
i gotcha and dont disagree to a certain point
It was the type of throws we did. No drag routes? Play action as wilt mentioned, there was a betterway to have him suceed. Don’t get me wrong..Janie sucks and never thought much of him. That is why I want his dangerous throws limited because he is bound to implode..and yes he is janie til he gets down to one pick..
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
by tfrabotta on Nov 29, 2011 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Perfect nickname for him
if he continues to play poorly.
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader" - John Quincy Adams
Cheer.
There’s way too much Confirmation Bias going on towards Martz. It’s good to hate him, it fits my narrative.
It’s the exact same thing that really plagued Lovie over the past… oh… 3 years? 4 years?
I’m not saying he’s the greatest OC ever, but he’s more than serviceable, and can call good games that make me feel comfortable in the offense of the Bears.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
It's possible to like Martz AND to criticize him for that call, you know
In fact, it’s healthy. It’s called constructive criticism. It was a bad call.
Evidence?
1. Jay Cutler couldn’t complete it, even to a wide open player. Therefore, it could be quite a tricky or difficult throw.
2. Aaron Curry predicted it. When you lose the game-calling chess match to Aaron Curry, that’s saying something. The fact that Curry was able to outsmart Martz on that play is nothing less than stunning, but indicates that the call, and not Martz himself, was less than optimal.
3. The results of the play indicate, in both cases cited so frequently recently, that it was not a super play. The first one resulted in an incompletion even though the TE was wide open. The second one resulted in a 70-yard INT that could have gone to the house, but for a great play by Lance Louis, and a complete change in the momentum of the game.
Hindsight is never wrong, but blaming Martz for putting Hanie in position to make a mistake is faulty logic.
Martz called a good game. And by even being in the game, Hanie was in a position to make a mistake. But Martz has to call plays that play to the strengths of his players and mitigate their weaknesses. Yesterday’s game looked a lot like a Jay Cutler game from Sept or Oct 2010, an odd fit. Even earlier this season, many fans were complaining about Martz’s playcalling as an odd fit for Jay Cutler.
Your post was sound, but it did nothing to address this point. In a vacuum, the playcall may have made sense, and is defensible. But it did not play to Hanie’s strengths (e.g. mobility) nor mitigate his weaknesses (e.g. inexperience). And for that matter, it didn’t do either for the Bears, either. The Bears RBs averaged 5.5 yards on the ground, even though the Raiders were expecting the Bears to pound the ball with an inexperienced QB, while that same inexperienced QB had already thrown 2 INTs. With the thickness of Mike Martz’s playbook, even if it was limited for Hanie, there had to be several hundred better calls for the time, tempo and position of the game, given how the individuals and teams were performing at the moment.
Martz is a good OC. Caleb Hanie made mistakes. It was a $h!tty play call. All three can be true at the same time.
by Sweetness Lives On on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
"Martz is a good OC. Caleb Hanie made mistakes. It was a $h!tty play call. All three can be true at the same time."
Just for that. Rec’d.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 29, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
And I shall now deem you green'd !
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
this is green? come on man
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yeah it was actually a well thought out
and explained comment. Thank God that’s what’s gets green around here.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
and wrong none the less
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Okay, so what's wrong about it?
Martz is not a good OC?
Caleb Hanie didn’t make mistakes?
It wasn’t a $h!tty playcall because it’s a difficult throw across the body (Cutler),it was entirely predictable (Curry), and it hasn’t worked for positive yardage to this point?
It was a call that played to the strengths of Caleb Hanie and helped to hide his weaknesses?
There weren’t many other calls in Martz’s playbook that were better suited for the down, distance, time and tempo of the game?
Or, it’s wrong just because it is?
by Sweetness Lives On on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 AM CST up reply actions
1. this is on Hanie
2. evidently it was not that difficult a throw because if the LB hadn’t jumped the route it would have hit Davis in the hands.
3. let’s not pretend that we really know Hanie’s strengths and weakness, he is in his 4th season, he would have practiced this play with more than one coaches eyes on him and found competent to run it.
4. there were any number of other plays possible, and Hanie could have screwed the pooch on many of those as well but this was the played called and this is the one he had his brain fart on and that says more about Hanie than it does the play called.
5. Coach Wiltfong did a good job of breaking down the play I won’t repeat what he said, Hanie should have just moved on to his second option
6.You get points for making a logical and compelling argument, but then so did Marx when he wrote “The Manifesto for the Communist Party”
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Aaron Curry agrees with you - It was a great play!
He recognized the play before it was run, that’s why he was all over it. He also has the reputation for not being a great thinker out on the pitch.
So somewhere along the way the Bears’ formation signaled to Curry that this play was coming. That’s not Hanie’s fault. That’s Mike Martz’s fault.
I usually like reading your responses Ed. But in this case, you want to put 100% of the blame on Caleb Hanie without assigning one iota of blame to Martz, on a play that the opponents saw coming and completely changed the game.
Maybe every other playcall in the entire game by Martz was oh-so-perfect. And Caleb Hanie did screw up on this given play. But part of the reason he screwed up is because it was a terrible play call.
Furthermore, about Hanie’s weaknesses that, according to you, we can’t explore and don’t know about – we do know one of them: inexperience. And when you haven’t played very much, the game is much quicker, both quicker than you expect and quicker than practice. And because of this, inexperienced players don’t make as good decisions as experienced players.
It was absolutely to be expected that Caleb Hanie WOULD make mistakes on Sunday. And Mike Martz should know this. If he calls a run by Barber in that situation, or a quick pass in the corner of the end zone to Roy Williams, he takes that inexperience out of the equation. Isn’t that why we got those players?
Both Hanie AND Martz F-ed up big-time on that play. But I was expecting it from Hanie. Martz should have known better.
by Sweetness Lives On on Nov 30, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
Aaron Curry is a selfserving moron
Aaron Curry? Why would you expect me or any other Bear’s fan to accept his word over one of our own?
Curry may not be one of the great thinkers in the NFL but he knows how to make himself look good in an interview. Perhaps, he just stuck with his assignment on that play and read the QB’s eyes and made a play.
Hanie after demonstrating in practice he had this play down, has a momentary lapse of concentration which results in a terrible play and a chain of knee jerk events at WCG. We hate Martz so what better chance to denounce him than through a play like this. We can repeat the blatherings of Gabe Kaplan or that cross-eyed meat-head on Bears Blitz.
I love the way the faithful move from criticizing Martz for not trusting Hanie, to denouncing him for doing just that.
The people who are in a position to judge Hanie are the ones who work with him day in and day out, not fans quoting general platitudes etc. Hanie is in his 4th season the Bears organization has had plenty of hands on experience with him.
The question isn’t how many other plays are in the play book, or if handing the ball off to Barber when Oakland has 11 men in the box and would be expecting just that. It is what you should expect from this play which was an easy TD or Hanie throws the ball away and you still have plenty of time for another play before kicking a FG
To turn this into a crusade to crucify Martz is just ridiculous and lets not crucify Hanie either if I remember right Jay threw 2 pick 6’s to a Redskin who admits he should be cut from their team.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I've written several times that Mike Martz is a good OC
I like him, and there’s no reason to make a change based on this one play nor any other called in recent memory. So if you think this is
a crusade to crucify Martz
then you’re obviously picking a fight with the wrong person. Go find someone who actually thinks that, and challenge them.
But it was a flat-out stupid call. I’d say it was one of the dumbest calls this season, all things considered.
Caleb Hanie should have known better than to try to complete that pass. And Mike Martz should have known better than to call that play.
I really don’t know what else to say.
by Sweetness Lives On on Nov 30, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
I think your logic is faulty, even if it is well articulated and presented
Look I am old school, I’ve had more heated conversations with my best friends over sports, we never considered the possibility that we would all agree on things like this.
Its not an attack on you, I don’t think your a bad person because you can’t see past Gabe Kaplan’s rant on this subject. I just don’t buy the terrible result equates to terrible play call.
since we are not going to agree, we might as well agree to disagree and hope for reasons to celebrate after the KC game.
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It's wrong because it goes against your opinion?
Priceless
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
evidently no one should have an opinion that differs from your and his excellency Sweetness Lives On
is that about right? Priceless!
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Everyone should have opinions, otherwise we would live in a pretty boring world
But it’s when you have an opinion but all you say are one liners such as:
“100% chance of meatballs”
“this is green? come on man”
“and wrong none the less”
What do you want me (or Sweetness or anyone else) to get out of those statements?
I don’t disagree that Hanie made a mistake and Lester laid the play out perfectly. That being said I have yet to be convinced why the play that was called was the right one given the situation. If Hanie is as bad as you believe he is then how can you defend the play call? Again, I’m not dismissing blame from Hanie but why was that the right call?
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
this isn't a case of there only being one play that should be called.
There were other choices, but Hanie does his job and this play is an easy TD or and incomplete pass and they still have plenty of time to run anothe play before kicking a FG. This is not a situation where Martz should be thinking “OK Hanie your a screw-up we are just going to hand off to Barber”
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yeah it kinda is...
This is not a situation where Martz should be thinking "OK Hanie your a screw-up we are just going to hand off to Barber"
He’s the backup in his first game. If Martz isn’t preparing an offense that’s suited for a different QB then he isn’t doing his job in the first place. Hell I pick different plays based on who’s QBing on Madden.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
LOL how did I know you were one of those madden kids. :o)
I don’t think we lost as badly as Madden 12, predicted we would.
There is no good reason that play should have ended up as badly as it did.
It is also possible to hand the ball to Barber and have it end up as badly.
Hanie makes a mistake does not = Martz is a total tool for calling that play.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I don't think there was just one suitable play
Running it up the middle with Barber would have been one of the suitable plays, but not the only one in my opinion. This was a situation where there are certain plays that shouldn’t have been called.
Given the score, position on the field, time and timeout situations, QBs first ever start (on the road no less), and the fact that said QB had already thrown two INTs earlier in that half; I think you have to realize as the OC not just what should be called, but what shouldn’t be called.
I’m with Sweetness on this one. I don’t hate Martz or want him fired before the next game and Hanie should have made the smart play and thrown it away, but the play itself was a bad one.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I don't agree
this may be Hanie’s first start but it’s his fourth season. you should expect a little more from him than you would the 2005 Kyle Orton.
If Webb blocks Curry this play goes for an easy TD, If Caleb looks to be sure Curry gets blocked it goes for no gain. either way would you still be one here a day or three later going on and on about how in spite of scoring a TD or what ever it was a terrible play call. I don’t think so.
terrible play does not = terrible play call. Do you really think Martz would have called this play if he thought it was going to turn out that way.
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 30, 2011 6:28 AM CST up reply actions
Not you
Sorry, I’m out of order.
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Interesting...
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 30, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
No
I’m cool, just typing out loud. More poking fun than anything else. Like I said, I’m out of order for posting it.
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Run Blocking
Doesn’t seem to be getting mentioned much in this thread. McGahee, alone, had 163 yards vs. the Raiders, most of it in the 2nd half when they habitually let down their guard. The Bears had 172 total. Just seems strange.
Didnt Cutler totally miss on this same play earlier in the year
i remember a very similar play being run and cutler overthrew a wide open davis. so cutler failed on the play when it was wide open. its on film. you have ur back up quarterback in a position where a turnover takes points off the board. bad call at a bad time. enjoy tempe.
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by Hurricanes becoming Bears on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM CST reply actions
Yes.
They’ve also run plays similar to it that have worked though.
So. FWIW. Halfsies.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 29, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
cutler has missed any pass you can name earlier this year.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
his completion % says he missed a lot off passes
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
his completion % was outstanding for his era.
the rules of the game allowed actual pass coverage back then.
that doesn't refute the fact that he missed a lot of passes
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
whatever, he still missed a lot of them
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I still blame Martz for it.
You had a wide open receiver on the front side. The fact that he threw it backside says that he was told to throw it there by Martz. Throw it to the front side first and only if thats not open do you even look at the backside. 30 secs and if you don’t get it in 2 tries you kick the FG and probably win the game (remember it would have been a 6 pt swing and that would have given Chi the game).
wrong
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You say I’m wrong but you don’t say where I was wrong. Until you do I will assume that you can’t actually find anything wrong with what I said and your just trying to defend Martz’s horrible play calling.
When a play is called
you run the play. Period. Hanie could of easily thrown the ball to anyone, yet he didn’t check to see if Davis was open and threw it blindly. Period. Hanie threw the interception, not Martz. Curry and Wimbley read the play perfectly and damn near scored a touchdown.
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They used to have this thing called 'audibles'
This was back when we all wore onions on our belts.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Nov 29, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
now you have multiple options on every pass play
Hanie should have gone to option two
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Hanie sucks
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by suckmyditka on Nov 29, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Finally waiting to hear that..
unfortunately it’s all we got.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
I think Hanie's a solid back up
and if he grows these next few weeks he’ll earn himself a nice contract from some team with a shaky QB situation
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 30, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Experience should've been an overriding factor
Why risk points for such a slow developing play? Hanie’s first start, and he calls this cutesie play that didn’t work for Cutler. You can blame the execution, but the call was doomed to fail cause there was tape on it, and Curry confirmed it.
Screens do not work inside the ten yard line. Why? Cause LBs don’t drop in their zones and won’t be fooled by misdirection or slow developing screens. Beyond terrible. Bet you we won’t see that call for a year and half.
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Hanie stated it worked every time in practice
If you practice a play you should be able to run the play. Period.
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by suckmyditka on Nov 29, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
At the goaline
Those plays DO NOT work. LBs are stacked at the line and are just waiting to pounce on a slow developing play with a lofted pass.
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by propheteer on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Reverse back to week 1
Same play called, Jay overthrows a WIDE OPEN (see i can use caps for emphasis too) Kellen Davis. Same exact play, no different except the fact that it was Jay and not Caleb. Jay overthrows him and everyone is enamored at the genius play that Martz drew up and what a perfect time to call it, in the redzone, at around the 10 yard line. Caleb throws an INT because the linebacker read the play perfectly and everyone is all omgawww my butt hurts because Martz called a horrible play omgawww.
Meatballs.
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You lost authority to call anyone a meatball
after explaining you know more because you “got a D1 scholarships” so just stop right there. You argue with valid points, then go back to blanket statements like “Hanie sucks” or “I got D1 scholarships so I I know more about football than you” Just stop, please.
LOL
Guess I forgot to hit my sarcasm font.
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It's dumb
cause teams have tape on it. Again, Curry said he knew it was coming as soon as he saw the formation. Won’t work, way too slow to develop.
Why risk it when they can just run it down their throats? 2nd and 1 versus one of the worst run defenses in the league (27th). They had plenty of time with 35 seconds and a TO.
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because it's a well designed play
Many team run the same type of play.
run to one side and fake the pass to that side and then throw it to the other.
Hanie did not execute it well and got picked off. Period. Not the play call, it was the execution . PERIOD.
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The execution was bad
but the play call much worse. Why put a green QB in position like that when you have a better chance to score by running the ball? Too many moving parts.
The execution is 0-2 on that well-designed play.
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Because it's usually an easy play
Super easy actually. All hanie has to do is connect with Davis and it’s an easy TD. Great recognition by the LB and poor decision by Hanie.
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Usually an easy play?
Again, they’re 0-2 on the season. That’s a 0% success rate. I can care less what works in practice; doesn’t guarantee anything in the game.
How do you blame an inexperienced QB with not a single start, who also showed in the half that he’s not reliable to throw the ball away, but let the very experienced OC off the hook?
Keep digging your hole….it’s getting deeper and deeper.
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My hole really?
More people agree with me than you, friend
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Fact of the matter is,
Hanie threw 2 other ints that game.
if that had been the only int he threw I may have blamed the play call, however it wasn’t. Hanie obviously wasn’t reading the coverage correctly that whole game. He made 3 mistakes and hopefully will get better against the Chiefs.
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That's my point
He threw two previous interceptions prior to the play. That’s a whole lot of risk.
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Really?
We can only trust Hanie to hand the ball off to Forte or Barber?
We also lead the league in running plays for negative yardage so can we trust Forte & Barber to run it in?
this play has the same number of moving parts as every other play our 11 against their 11. It is not that complicated and not that risky only requiring a couple of simple reads on Hanie’s part.
good stuff if your looking for a reason to pile on Martz I guess, but in the same game backed up against our own goal line Martz calls 3 running plays and was roundly criticized for being too conservative. When you are Martz people are calling for you to be fired during games that the Bears are winning.
What do we want? Tebow Time? run 55 times a game because Hanie in his fourth season is too green to be trusted to run a simple play?
oh sorry lost sight of our goal for a minute there, Lets get rid of Martz because he just won;t fall in line with our run first pass later philosophy. He is too 1990’s when what we want is 1980’s style football.
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I never said not to throw the ball or to fire Martz
Do other passing passing plays involve lofting the ball up as you’re moving in the opposite direction of throwing the ball? It’s a recipe for disaster, and proved it this last Sunday. I can almost guarantee you that we’ll never see that play again this season.
2nd and 1 would be a perfect time to throw, but not that play. How about a conventional pass to the tallest man on the field?
I wouldn’t have a problem with running the ball three times because that would mean they have the lead!!
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nothing wrong with that play
if not for Curry the pass would have hit Davis on the hands, so throwing back from right to left wasn’t the problem. The problem was someone not getting their block on Curry and Hanie not picking him up and going to his next option.
since we don’t have a hot tub time machine we can’t know if Curry gets blocked would the pass hit Davis on the Hands and bounce to the ground.
No doubt that could have turned the game in our favor, but this was not a case of Martz setting Hanie up to fail, just the opposite this was a play they practiced and Hanie had given Martz every reason to believe this was a good play for him. Also it is not a play they use often enough to be predictable. I really like how Curry is patting himself on the back for being smart when he was just sticking to his assignment and lucky.
Martz and his cutesy play calling is a big part of the Bears success this year. His run/pass ratio this year is 46/54 when the league ratio is 35/65 yet every speed bump the automatic response is run the ball.
sorry if it seems like I am dumping on you, I’m not I am just disappointed over the loss like everyone else.
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No worries
I just don’t agree, because it was the wrong time to call that play. I can completely understand if it’s at midfield or something, but near the goaline is not the place to get risky (points are at risk). Regardless if Curry was lucky, he made the play without much effort. That tells me the play is more difficult to execute than originally thought.
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whoever was susspose to lay a block on curry wiffed. Webb I think,
not to hard to make a play when no one blocks you.
every play has 11 moving parts, if it was easy …well thats a story for another day.
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The Bears suck
The whole team sucks. Trade Cutler for a 3rd round pick and Orton, and release Forte cuz he aint been as good as he was earlier! He sucks! Barber can stay cuz he’s the meaty bruising running back the Bears need! Fire all the Coaches and promote Tice! He’s never called an offensive play , but he coached the worst oline ever assembled so that counts for something! He will run Barber 57 times a game! Ddduuuhhhhhhh
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Taub can call the offense
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Toub can call the offense
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Woah idk how that happened
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Yes and with taub and toub we shall rule the known universe! MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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2nd and 1 on the 7 yard line w/ 35 seconds
That’s an eternity in football, especially versus one of the worst run defenses in the league (27th). The call was an unnecessary risk to take, and it probably cost them the game.
Taking the lead after sucking it up in the first quarter was paramount. Momentum/lead was there to be had (Hanie needed confidence!), and Martz pissed it away.
Bears win the game hands down if they score a TD. Up five heading into the second half, while the least disciplined team in the league hang their heads going into the locker room.
Horrible call; for me, Martz’s worst as a Bears OC. All risk and very little reward based on Curry’s explanation on the play and Hanie’s inexperience as a starter.
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Good article- could go either way.
but it doesnt take into account Martz’ run-pass ratio calls. Forte had what, 10-12 carries for this entire game? WTF.
Here's one more twist in this...
Last night on ESPN Radio in Chicago, Hanie said the lineman should have picked up Curry. That would be LT J’Marcus Webb who pass blocked then released downfield to block. If Webb get’s a piece of Curry after he released then it wouldn’t have mattered if Hanie located the OLB before the throw.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 30, 2011 8:57 AM CST reply actions
That seems about right.
And then… DUN DUN DUN. Hanie seems less culpable?
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Nov 30, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting
I’ll have to take another look at Webb on the play.
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He did release downfield
and block no one…
I just wasn’t sure if the design of the play was for him to block the OLB or to look back side for pursuit
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 30, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe we can look
at the first time the play was ran. I thought I remembered him being out there, but there were no defenders who stayed home.
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