Mike Martz interested in Arizona State job
According to a Twitter report from Doug Haller of the Arizona Republic, Martz is interested in filling the vacancy created by the firing Monday of Sun Devils coach Dennis Erickson.
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SMD has some great thoughts on this:
If this happens, who would the Bears have take over OC job? I think they would have to promote within the regime, which mean I could see Tice running the offense, because he could get away with running basically the same offense.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 29, 2011 2:51 PM CST reply actions
As long as Martz leaves his playbook behind, I'd be quite happy with this arrangement.
I’ve long thought that a good offensive philosophy needs both Dreamer and Realist in some form or another. Martz, to me, is the Dreamer. Tice, to me, is the Realist. I would have LOVED to have seen what would happen if Martz designed the plays and Tice called them. I just wish the opportunity didn’t come with Martz’s departure…
I got another replacment idea ....
….. Norv Turner . When the man can just focus on offense hes been pretty darn good . But lets be honest here if Martz leaves its gonna put somewhat of a kink in our offensive development . So if he goes we need a proven OC to replace him .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 29, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
But Ron Turner is (in Guinness commercial dude's voice)
BRILLIANT!!!
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Just 1 problem
Will he accept a demotion? At least 3 teams come to mind for new HC jobs: Jags, ’Phins, and Colts.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
If Norv couldn't win with SD's talent
why would the front office even let him try at Miami or Jacksonville
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Both teams are aiming to improve on offense
Most likely both teams will be seeking an offensive minded HC. Jacksonville, in particular, has already made statements claiming their primary focus will be improving on the offensive side of the ball. And what is Norv Turner known for around the league? Offense.
Its a perfect storm in a way pointing to Norv Turner becoming the next HC of the Jags.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
No team is gonna take Norv as a Head Coach in my opinion . Why ? Well thats ....
…. easy , he has one of the most talented rosters ( both offensive & defensive wise ) in the entire NFL and never got them over the hump . As an OC hes money .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 29, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Here is my counter-arguement
Yes he always has had a ton of talent, and he has never had success in the playoffs. But, if there is a team that has an extremely good defense such as the Jags, and are seeking for a far better offense, then who else would you call if Norv Turner?
Another strange fact, it never has mattered who the HC was in San Diego, they have never had success with their current GM. Their GM deserves his fair share of the blame.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed on the GM front to a certain extent . You can't really bag ...
… on dude too much though considering some of the players he drafted ( Rivers , Jackson , LT , Merriman & numerous others ) .
The Jags issues are more player related and talent related than coaching related in my opinion . They need better players period . There arn’t too many coaches that can get a limited talent team to play above their talent level . Norv would not fit what that team really needs , but thats just my opinion .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 29, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Like Mike Martz's offense??
There arn’t too many coaches that can get a limited talent team to play above their talent level
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Martz has worked some magic with this offense .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 29, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Hence why I'd kinda like for Martz to stay around ....
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 29, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
jay won't have to learn a new offense then
he was playing great before the injury and they were starting to call plays that were more suited to his strengths (moving pocket, rolling out) that he ran so well in DEN
Here is another thought into this equation
Jay Cutler has already made his mark on the offense, so perhaps the offense will be similar to what Tice opperated but will be a unique playbook made between both Tice and Cutler. Tice, after all, does not have a playbook of his own just yet.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I hope they run a simila scheme
So we don’t obsolete a bunch of our offence again. Anyone from the chargers org available?
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 29, 2011 2:55 PM CST reply actions
This was what I was afraid of
with bringing in Martz…his last few stops weren’t for very long and now cutler might have to learn another offense…super
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Norv is rumored to be out of SD at seasons end .....
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 29, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
cool
I like the pared down version he runs, could be a good fit. Is Cam Cameron under contract after this year with the Ravens?
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 29, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
His offense is rather similar to what Mike Martz himself runs with the Bears
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
As long as we have some of the Coryell flavor in our offense, I'll be happy.
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by badsamaritan on Nov 29, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Leverage for an extension and a raise.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Which would be the first step: disinterest.
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The second step:
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Third step:
Scrape crappy lame joke off bottom of shoe.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Fourth step:
Your shoe > Tebow
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 29, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Step five:
Don’t you know that the time has arrived?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Step 6:
wonder what time it is
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Step 7:
Suddenly realize its Tebow Time!
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Step 47c
ThorCo’ed
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by suckmyditka on Nov 29, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe I read the whole thing.
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But why
why would the Bears overpay for him? If they were going to, don’t you think they’d have started throwing money at him when the team was 6-3?
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Oh, like they threw money at Matt Forte?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
My point exactly.
If they’re not going to pay their star running back, are they going to trip all over themselves to pay Mike Martz if he’s got another gig possibility somewhere?
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Here is another thought
Considering how well Forte has done in this offense, could he be concerned by a departure from Martz?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
To enrol at Arizona State? :-D
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Enroll*
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Nicely DONE, lexophile!
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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 29, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Mr. Speak and Spell?
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oh snap
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by awfullyquiet on Nov 30, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Technically speaking
They are both correct in enrol and enroll lol
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 30, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say anything about overpaying him.
But it’s safe to say that an initial offer is just that.
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Well after he wins another Superbowl this season
He might want to get a head coach job, but with college team, weird.
He loves taking risks
And you can do more of that in the college game
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 29, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
His offense, to me,
seems like it would work better in the college realm.
Spread them out and throw it deep
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Thats what she said
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Not really weird when you think about it
There are not too many NFL teams interested in having Martz as a HC.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
That you know of
Jacksonville.
I could see them going for Martz, or Mariucci because of their reputations for being good quarterback type coaches. Being that the Jags have a very talented young QB.
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New offense....?
When is Tom Clements contract up? I know it wouldn’t be ideal but an offense more in tune with what Green Bay is doing is way more conducive to Jay Cutler’s strengths than what we have going on now.
by Soldier Field Was Ruined on Nov 29, 2011 3:03 PM CST reply actions
I was just about to post this!
Anyway I’m thinking the primary candidate for the next Bears OC will be Mike Tice given that he was Jerry Angelo’s first choice until Lovie Smith convinced him to bring Martz on board. I’ll be looking through the archives of the Tribune because I know of an article describing Tice’s interest in becoming an OC.
But, if Norv Turner does indeed get fired as the HC of the Chargers, I’d love to see him as the OC. Problem is, I don’t feel he will settle for just an OC job given at least 3 teams will be searching for new HCs (Jags already have fired Del Rio, Colts and ‘Phins likely). Other candidates could include the Packers’ receivers coach and/or their QB coach, Jeremy Bates if he returns to the NFL given his prior experiance with Cutler, or really any of the assistants to Norv Turner.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
jeremy bates the name I've heard most often too
And I’d also like to see an ex-NFL QB brought in as QB coach, if at all possible
Kurt Warner, perhaps?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Trent Green would be good too.
Jim Miller?
Hell why isn’t anyone thinking Mariucci for OC
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I feel like Mooch is enjoying his cushy job at NFLN where he can watch Sapp and Sanders blather on a daily basis.
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by badsamaritan on Nov 29, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
He said recently
that “if.. no no… When I’m coaching again this is what i’ll do”
So he obviously isn’t shunning the idea of coaching
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Ya but it looks like Norv's chances at HC are at its end
the man has had one of the most talented rosters in football the last few years with SD and couldn’t get them over the hump. Plus he has struggled everywhere else as a HC…he’s looking like one of those coaches that is best suited as a coordinator
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Just like Wade Phillips in Houston
Bad HC, great DC!
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
exactly, or like Marinelli
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yup
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Mhmm
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Tice would get t he gig if Martz left.
I just hope that what ever playbook Tice has been working on during the years will implement similar terminology of Martz.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Tice of all things wanted to be at least a QB coach in his first job with the Vikes
He will most likely stress pure balance, set the tone with a solid ground game then blast defenses with a good airborne strike.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
it'd be an offense I think Forte & Barber would thrive in
and we already know Lovie wants to run the ball, I think it’d be a great fit. Continue the rollout passes and moving Jay out of the pocket so he can have the most success.
Another note
Lovie wants an ability to stretch the field with a passing game as well. Thats why he brought in Martz to begin with.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
we have the QB with the strongest arm in the league
and plenty of speed at WR
That too
Thats why I’m expecting the passing game to still be the focus for the Bears whomever steps in as the OC, but with that will come balance.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
and you have the best 2-back running game in the NFL
to provide that balance
I'm not preppared to say it is the best RB tandem in the NFL
Houston fans would have a heafty arguement against that. But, Forte and Barber are proving to be a hell of a 1-2 punch at RB.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Its just sad to see Houston lose their top 2 QBs for the year
Kinda goes to show it can always be worse..
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
and I think they would have been dangerous in the AFC
with the game changer at WR and the Pro Bowl RB too. I think they could have gone deep in the playoffs had they been healthy, but down to the 3rd string QB, it’s really up in the air now
Yup
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well lets look where Tice has been shall we?
He has been a member of some pretty prolific offenses over the years. The Vikes offense of the late ‘90s-early 2000s comes to mind. He also has had a hand in the offensive playcalling in Chicago with imputs of his own, so he should have a rather fair understanding of Martz’s playbook.
Plus, Jay Cutler is pretty smart himself, and I would not be surprised to see him lend a hand in creating a new playbook based on Tice’s experiance as well as Jay Cutler’s knowledge of the current offense.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
i for one would love to have dilfer come in and show cutler how a real QB throws the ball!
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by Dilfer_The_Dbag on Nov 29, 2011 3:18 PM CST reply actions
I'd be okay with it...
But somehow, I don’t think this will happen.
Tice is obviously the Heir Apparent to the Bears OC job.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
Hope it doesn't detract from the fine work he's done with linemen
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 29, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions
He worked with the lineman?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I believe he means Tice
sir.
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Thank you good sir
Just wasn’t sure who he was talking about haha.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 29, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone just calm down
Martz may have shown interest, but that doesn’t mean AZ St wants him.
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True...
I’d be surprised if ASU did not go for a big name coach after Arizona picked up Rodriguez, but it still doesn’t mean ASU is going to seek out Mad Martz.
by Beer Down! on Nov 29, 2011 5:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Gruden was being looked at by a couple colleges last year
wouldn’t be surprised if he is again.
Maybe U of I?
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think so?
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True but
Martz has a history with the program. He was a coach there back in the ’80s. That could be significant or not. That could be totally insignificant (because what are the odds any of the same people are even remotely tied to the football program that were in the ’80s) or it could be something (He has experience at the university and is familiar with the program and culture)
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by Sam Householder on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
if this panned out, I'd actually go to a Sun Devil game.
But as a Bears fan, I am concerned about the transition for Jay and the offense… having an excellent back like Forte should give us a more lenient learning curve, but our division isn’t going to wait for us to catch up if we fall behind…
by Beer Down! on Nov 29, 2011 5:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
shoop is still at UNC
and I wish him to leave UNC, but not for the bears. god no. he’s still as horrible at UNC as he was with the bears.
we’ll have to wait and see how stuff pans out once the playoffs/ offseason starts.
lol
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The sooner Martz leaves the better
his playcalling and run-pass ratio is awful for the Bears. He was never a good fit for the team to begin with. He needs to go. Now.
Really ? How many losing seasons have we had with Martz as OC ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 AM CST up reply actions
you must understand, the foward pass should not be allowed
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I'm dying.
DYING!
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by awfullyquiet on Nov 30, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Bears made it to the NFCC because of the Defense
not because of Martz, Jay was playing okay in spurts and Forte was getting better- in fact, we lost a number of games like the NFCC because of Martz’ play calling.
OK how many games have we won / lost with Martz as OC ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Go ahead and list out all the games we lost because of Martz
Man, if only the world was as black and white as Bears fans wanted it to be…
by Midway Bully on Nov 30, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
it'd be nice
to have an offense where jay can audible
He's interested in another job.... Bye-bye!......... Just kidding I am fairly alarmed though
by frenchbears113 on Nov 30, 2011 12:11 PM CST reply actions
Well it appears he would be a long-shot to receive the job
But it may present a picture where the Bears decide to move forward without Martz unless he comes to terms with a new contract as the OC in the offseason.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well, at least it sounds like he could leave the playbook with Tice and they could still run the same basic stuff
So Cutler won’t have to learn anything new. Same stuff, just a different guy calling the plays.
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