Ugh, You Again: Week 10, Detroit Lions
by Steven Schweickert on Nov 9, 2011 3:00 PM CST
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Per special request by our very own Joe the Boss, this and all future iterations of PTMY regarding repeat opponents get a bit of an update. This one carries with it a bit of hostility - since on Monday Night Football, the Lions invited the Bears up north to Ford Field and moved to 5-0 behind a pair of big plays. Since that game, the Bears have only allowed three sacks in three games, including zero against Trent Cole and Jason Babin (and the rest of the Philly line) and appear to have solidified some of their safety issues with Chris Conte playing some pretty good football.
Follow me past the jump and let's revisit some old friends...
We looked at the matchup in detail back in Week 5, so in the efforts of time and not wanting to repeat myself as often as I already do, check it out.
So Far This Year: After coming out of the gates strong at 5-0, the time since has seen the Lions take a bit of a stumble, losing two of their last three games as well as starting running back Jahvid Best. They currently sit at 6-2 and are coming in fresh off their bye week and a 45-10 shellacking of the Denver Broncos.
What's At Stake: A win against Detroit ties the Bears and Lions at 6-3 in the division and sets up a bunch of interesting wild card scenarios, which Kev outlined earlier. A loss puts the Bears at 5-4 and in a full-on fistfight for the sixth and final playoff spot. Tiebreakers are worth nothing if there's no tie.
What's Changed?: Well, as stated, Jahvid Best has taken a couple knocks upside the head, which when combined with his concussion history, could leave him in doubt for the remainder of the season. The Lions signed their former draft pick Kevin Smith to provide some running back depth, as well as former Cowboys' guard Leonard Davis and former Bears' safety Chris Harris. As far as what's actually taken place on the field, the Lions haven't really been doing a whole lot differently offensively, although their production has decreased from their hot start (held to only 263 yards of offense and 16 points against Atlanta, for instance).
As far as the Bears, well, things have become a lot more interesting. The Lions are continuing to struggle against the run - since allowing 122 rushing yards against the Bears, they've surrendered 203 against the Niners, 129 against Atlanta and 195 against the Broncos. In fact, they've allowed over 120 yards rushing in six of their eight games. Meanwhile, the Bears have pounded out 177 and 164 rushing yards in their last two games behind a suddenly resurgent offensive line and improvised quarterback play which led Gruden or Jaworski (don't remember who) to say that Cutler likes playing when the action's a little more frenetic. Well, yeah - as we've known (and which is apparently just being figured out by certain analysts and coaches), an area where Cutler's very effective is when he can get out of the pocket and throw on the move.
Much like Philly, the Lions have a very good defensive line which made life difficult for Cutler, yet Cutler was able to have one of his better games of the season against Detroit last round. If the Bears can put up similar protection and continue to get Cutler out of the pocket, the Bears should easily surpass the 13 points put up last time.
As far as defensively, Kevin Smith may be a bit more of a physical presence than Best, but the Lions running attack shouldn't be much feared. Instead, it's tight end Brandon Pettigrew and some guy named Calvin Johnson that should be the focal points - the former, because the Bears ignore tight ends, and the latter, because he's Calvin Freaking Johnson, who had 9 touchdowns through 5 games but has cooled off in touchdowns with only two since. But the Bears defense has returned to form lately, so we shall see which wins out.
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I got name checked.
Big Time Kev
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers
Stop Calvin Johnson,
and see what Stafford is really made of. Win, and the Bears are in the driver’s seat.
In the driver's seat?
By the standings, even if the Bears win Sunday, they’re still 3rd in the division — because the Lions will still have the better record within the division.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Take a look at this
http://detroitonlion.blogspot.com/2011/11/bears-game-has-huge-playoff.html
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on Nov 9, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Lots of people seem to get this wrong.
You have to break the tie within the division first before you can talk about the wild card.
The division tie breaker is head-to-head first, then the record within the division.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=tiebreakers
No slogans. Just win!!!
Thanks for the link
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on Nov 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
Thanks, Reality, for linking my article. and thanks drgarnett for correcting me. I looked over NFL’s rules and misread what tie-breaker to use. Forgive me for, as a Lions fan, I’m not to used to this whole “playoff” thing. It’s all very new and confusing.
If we lose twice to the Lions...
That’s not a good thing to my psyche.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
I couldn't really have asked for more pressure from our D-Line in week 5
the problem was Cutler looked fantastic against that pressure. I have to admit, seeing your offensive line coming together the last couple games, I’m wondering what kind of performance to expect from Cutler. Since he’s your QB and you know him better, anyone care to prognosticate Big Jay’s stat line after our melee?
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
~220-250 yards, 2 TD
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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I'll go with 275 and 3 TDs
Though one of those TDs will be a long screen to Forte, which spots him some more yards.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
If we're saying he'll throw that much
I’m going to add an INT, just because I fully expect Roy or Knox to tip one straight up in the air.
That's a big assumption.
On the part of Roy, that means he’ll actually get those alligator arms in contact with the football, which is not a high probability.
So, Cutler: mid to high 200’s with 2-3 TD and a pick? I can’t say I’d be thrilled with that.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Roy doesn't have alligator arms - he has iron hands
he’ll do everything right except catch the ball
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 9, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
The upside:
Man can that guy signal a first down!
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
He rocks. ROCKS!
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Rocks so hard I hope Jay beans him upside the head with a ball at some point
Might knock some sense into Roy.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Nov 9, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
As well as the tendency to dissapear at key moments.
He’d be perfect when playing with Oakland as he has 8 home games at a stadium coined “the Black Hole”.
He’d be a perfect fit for the Raiders.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Nov 9, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
he catches 64% of the passes thrown his way this year same as Calvin Johnson.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
When the hell
did you become a voice of reason?
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers
you can call it Royaphobia for want of a better term.
They are treating him like he still plays for Detroit or Dallas. He is a Bear now even if he does run sorta funny.
he has a higher catch percentage this year and last year than Knox,Hester and Sazenwaddle.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Wow...
That was…brilliant!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 9, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Except when it's 2nd or 3rd down and he HAS to make the catch.
And then hits him in the numbers
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Nov 9, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
even then he has a higher catch percentage than Knox,Hester and Sanzenwaddle
you can’t change the facts just because you don’t like the guy.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
How about since the start of the 2010 season the last 24 games.
Roy has a higher catch percentage than Hester, Knox and Sazenwaddle
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I don't think Ed is trying to say he's as sure-handed as Johnson.
But sharing the same percentage as Megatron puts his drops into perspective.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
lets be fair , throw the ball at Knox or Hester and they are only going to catch it about 1/2 the time.
REW’s 6 out of 10 is not a big improvement but it is certainly not hurting us.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
When you are primarily a POSSESSION receiver
Then 6/10 is simply not good enough.
At least 7/10, should be really 80% of time.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Nov 9, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
come on man
then Knox,Hester and Sanzenwaddle are all a poorer choices than Roy.
How smart is it to take out Roy and put in a guy who catches 10% fewer balls than he does.
the changes made this off season has resulted in 30 yards more passing per game and 20 yards more rushing per game and scoring 4 more points per game.
All by signing guys out of the free agent bargain bin.
Roy just does what Roy does he doesn’t have any say in the Team personnel strategy. He is just a guy doing his job and he is doing it better than Knox,Hester and Sazenwaddle. Calling for this guy to be kicked to the bench or off the team is just biting your nose off to spite your face it is not going to get you Wes Welker, Calvin Johnson or Greg Jennings.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
What exactly does Roy do?
He’s out there to do more than average one big drop a game I can tell you that much. You can say what you want about Hester and Knox but their speed and ability to stretch the field is an added value to this team and it allows Roy every opportunity in the world to drop the open passes he drops by giving him space.
Comparing his catch percentage to anyone is like counting the number of times Omiyale doesn’t get a holding penalty. He should be better and is deserving of the criticisms he gets. He’s starting at this point because there isn’t anyone better but Earl Bennett shouldn’t be able to come on the field after 4 weeks against the Eagles secondary and prove to be 3 times the player Roy Williams is.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Roy does what he is supposed to do.
He is a big target, he runs routes, positions his body between the defender and the ball, gets off the line of scrimmage, and catches a higher percentage of passes thrown his way than anyone on the team not named Earl Bennett. Which is to say, he makes the Bears a better team.
Knox and Hester could stretch the field with their speed, but they can’t get off the line consistently, and when they do, they run poor/incorrect routes.
If you don’t like the guy, that is one thing, but you should really accept the fact that, as bad as he may be, he is an above average receiver within this receiving corps. Those other guys on the team are ruining the average, Bennett and Williams are helping it.
Everyone on this team (Earl Bennett and Forte excluded) has problems catching the ball. Roy Williams isn’t any worse at it than the other guys. Singling him out for it because he was a former first round pick, or because he isn’t Larry Fitzgerald doesn’t make sense. He is Roy Williams, and he is a better wide receiver than Knox, Hester, Sanzenbacher, Hurd, Greg Olsen, and a lot of other players whom people here have been getting all excited about.
Again, Roy Williams makes the Bears a better team.
Roy Williams
is not a better player than Greg Olsen and he isn’t great getting off the line consistently and no he isn’t even above average with this receiving core.He’s serviceable at best. The Bears are getting what they can out of him but they expected more than what they’re getting. I’ll never understand the defense of Roy Williams as a Bear or the need to defend him.
The guy came into camp out of shape and has spent weeks still trying to gel with the QB and is still making more this season than Matt Forte. So I’m not going to place more value on him because he’s playing next to an undrafted rookie who still has more TDs than him. He needs to play even better than he is now and what he is now still isn’t enough.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Hester and Knox have one receiving TD between them maybe they need to play better?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
P.S.
guess that makes them less than serviceable since Roy has a TD with only 25 passes thrown his way and Hester and Knox have on with 85 passes thrown their way.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
he should be better? Well he is better than Hester,Knox and Sazenwaddle
Hester is only 45% of the balls thrown his way, Aromashodu was benched and then cut over numbers like that. If Knox had caught more than 51% of the passes thrown his way last year they wouldn’t have felt the need to sign Roy in the first place. Sanzenwaddle an UDFA catches as many balls thrown his way as Knox does. Those 3 guys are just pathetic as receivers but lets forget about that and dump on Roy. If Bennett is 3 times the player Roy is then he is 5 times the player the other guys are. But forget that lets bench Roy and play the guys that suck harder because that is how we roll here in Chicago.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Sure.
Your sarcasm is only valid sarcasm if the guy was half as valuable as you’re making him out to be. Yes he’s starting and he’s starting because he’s a big target. That’s fine. And he has come up with a few catches here and there. That’s fine too. But that’s the extent of any adulation that should be given to this underachiever.
Whether you believe Knox and Hester or worse is a matter of opinion. The fact is that over the last two seasons, both of those guys have manged to put together better seasons, Hester in ’09 and Knox ’10 than Williams. Knox was doing that as a rookie and Hester was doing that while still learning the position. Williams was busy getting being out played by another undrafted rookie…Miles Austin.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
It's not sarcasm
Roy has caught 64% of the balls thrown to him this year.
Hester 45%, Knox 56%, Sazenbacher 54%
that’s not adulation its just the facts.
These guys are not out playing Roy.
Roy fails to catch a long pass and you guys want to make a federal case out of it.
Bennett would have caught it, but the other three that’s just not a given.
And lets be fair none of those guys are “Miles Austin” either
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
As the baseball guys would say
Small Sample Size. I doubt he keeps that kind of catch ratio with an additional 60 targets this year, that’s one.
For two, the fact that he only has 25 targets through half a season tells us all we need to know about what kind of a year he’s having.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Nov 10, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
yeah they play how many games per season 166 or something like that
Roy pulled a ham-string in the 3rd game on a reception that resulted in a first down.
Bennett has only been a target 10 times this season does that say everything about the season he is having?
Some people are saying put in Knox but Knox but Knox has caught 20 out of 35 thrown to him thats 4 more receptions out of 11 passes thrown his way.
Hester has 22 receptions out of 49 passes thrown to him, thats 6 more receptions out of 24 more passes thrown to him
Sanzenwaddle has caught 19 out of 35 thats 3 more out of 10 more attempts
Roy is not getting the big money a #1 WR gets, he is getting paid like a #3 WR he took the roster spot of Devin Aromashodu who had a catch rate of 42%. Roy is certainly an improvement over him.
Roy is not playing any worst than our other WR’s (except Bennett who is legit but hasn’t been able to play either)
the H8 for Roy is just out of proportion to what is actually happening on the field.
Everyone loves Sazenwaddle who took Davis spot aka Dropapotomus and guess what Sazenwaddle is doing Davis proud as one of the drop leaders in the NFL
You want to get mad at someone, get mad at Jerry for thinking he can only shop out of the bargain bin of Free Agency.
other people bitch that Williams took Olsen’s place but Olsen is a soft TE who doesn’t block Matt Spaeth has his spot now. Olsen is not a WR
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Earl Bennett took a cannon ball to the chest.
On what was quite possibly the most dirty, illegal hit I’ve ever seen in the NFL NOT to be called. He sat out those games b/c his sternum probably collapsed. You try taking that hit and then coming back in a month and a half. That was brutal.
brutal is a soft word for what happened to Earl
nice to see him back and playing to form.
I think having Bennett and Williams healthy and Roy starting to click with Jay it will actually help Hester and Knox to be more effective.
Bennett is the only WR we have that can run the entire route tree effectively.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Make it 4 TDs
Mark it.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 9, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly,
I think Forte has a much more realistic shot at four TDs in this game than Cutler.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
I don't know..
With Bennett back in the line-up along with a much better O-line, things could be explosive for our offense.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 9, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's true, I just see that manifesting more in Forte's numbers instead of Bennett.
Especially considering our run D is seemingly much worse than our actually pretty good pass D.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
even if we rack up points early
martz might not be able to resist calling lots of passes. i know the point was made in the game we played against the panthers that when we are up, martz would rather try out some new tricks than put the game away with boring run plays.
by Steve Ronkowski on Nov 9, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
If Cutler goes for that kind of yardage,
I bet there’s an INT in there. I don’t think our passing game is ready for that kind of yardage without a hiccup or two during the game.
If its free, take two.
What makes me worried
Is we did pretty well throwing the ball against Philly. This will make Martz believe he can pass the ball with reckless abandon and ignore the run game. This is the problem with having a good game. It massages the playcallers ego.
Jay Cutler has had a relatively great career as the Bears' starter against the Lions
It will be interesting to see what happens now that our O-line has learned how to protect Cutler on a consistant basis, along with Earl Bennett back to face them this time.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Nov 9, 2011 3:47 PM CST reply actions
You nailed it IMO.
Instead, it’s tight end Brandon Pettigrew and some guy named Calvin Johnson that should be the focal points
Can’t be too worried about Kevin Smith — can’t ignore him, of course, but he’s not the threat that Best is — so the focus absolutely has to be on the guys Stafford will look to when Peppers is coming for him (Pettigrew and Megatron).
I would have to assume that it'd be more Morris than anything.
Smith may get a touch or two, but after 8 weeks of no football, to throw him right in an important game to sink or swim might be a stretch. I’m obviously no coach, but that is a move as a fan I’m not sure I want to see.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
You're right, of course.
For some reason I jumped straight to Smith – I guess because he was a Lion once before.
The offensive line is playing better
But I wouldn’t say limiting sacks against the Bucs weak d-line or Philly who has great defensive ends but get double teamed because the d-tackles suck. We sacked the living piss outta Cutler last time and I anticipate the same thing Sunday.
The o-line has improved for a couple games, but it doesn’t mean that they are good by any stretch of the word. I still think if the Bears do lose, its because Cutler got sacked 6 times and the holes weren’t opening up due to that o-line.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Nov 9, 2011 4:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
From someone not privy to the inner workings of Mike Martz and his pattern of play calling, you may not have noticed the large amount of 5-7 step drops that he called in Detroit, and the complete lack of a chip to help the Bears tackles in the Dome, but since that game Martz has woken up from his deep drop delusion, and has rectified the offenses issues.
I guarantee if Mike Martz calls the game like he did in Detroit the Lions will win. But, I don’t think he will, and that’s why the Bears will win.
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 9, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Is him job on the line or something?
I just imagine him kicking and screaming while Lovie and Jerry rip pages out of his play manuscript.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
I'm 98% sure his contract is up at the end of the season,
but I could be wrong.
Regardless, I laugh myself silly at that image sometimes. When I’m not cursing him for his nutty play calling.
his nutty play calling has produced a better offense than the last three years of Ron Turner ball.
We can finally say that we have an average offense! By the end of the year this could very well be the best offensive team we have fielded in the past 10 years. I say viva nutty play calling because it is working.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
So, you're a fan of the wildcat? Specifically, the wildcat on a 2nd and long situation?
Because I just call that sheer stupidity.
handing the ball off to Forte is just sheer stupidity?
moving the ball into FG range is sheer stupidity?
I think going back to Ron Turner football is sheer stupidity.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Okay, you caught me out, I just despise the wildcat in all it's forms.
But, uh, I’m failing to see how my cursing a blue streak over Martz play calling is automatically a cry for Turner-esque calls. Yes, I like the run game (I actually prefer it to high flying Os). Martz is gimmicky a bit too often for my liking.
The NFL is a passing league now and has been for some time.
Part of that has to do with rule changes over the past 30 years to bring about more parity and higher scoring games. Trick plays serve the purpose of forcing your opponents to waste time preparing for them.
Did you notice the end around the Iggles ran for a 10 yard gain?
Did you notice the fake end around we ran in London that put the Barbarian in the endzone nearly untouched.
Trick plays are as old as football, a tradition that reminds us it is a game when they work we jump out of our seats and scream our lungs out. When they flop our hotdog hits the TV screen and we curse a blue streak. It’s called fun
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I seriously doubt he was protesting Martz calling a handoff to Forte.
He was protesting the usage of the “Wildcat” formation to facilitate it. Putting Jay wide at a receiver spot isn’t going to fool anyone and might get some players hurt.
by northernsails on Nov 10, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
sorry just gotta snicker at the thought of Cutty chop-blocking a DE and the poor guy getting carted off the field on a streacher.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
And do you want Earl to go back on the DL?
by northernsails on Nov 10, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen him do anything in the wildcat as dangerous as going over the middle and fighting for extra yards
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Most people don’t know that Mike Martz’s playbook is filled with recipes for cake.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
by Spongie on Nov 9, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Sadly, as we in Detroit and people all over the world know....
The cake is a lie.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Nov 10, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Not so fast
I’m not so sure the recent success of the Bears offense/Cutler is a change of philosophy by Martz. On Monday night against the Eagles, Cutler took either 5 or 7 step drops on 91% of his throws (per ESPN). So, it isn’t Martz. It’s either worse competition from opposing defensive lines or improved play from the Bears’ offensive line. I would imagine it is a little bit of both.
That said, I’m not sure there is a better defensive line in the league as far as putting pressure on the QB as the Lions (not necessarily just sacks). Cutler did a great job last time the two teams met avoiding sacks. Can he do it again? It will be interesting to see how that battle plays out.
I don't recall too many 7 step drops
But it’s not only that. It’s also moving the pocket and leaving in extra blockers that have been the difference. Martz game plan was tailor made for a defense that plays with the wide 9 concept because after Cutler’s 7th step, there’s only one place for the DEs to meet and that’s in the backfield with Cutler. I don’t think that will happen this time around.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Ya didn't notice them because after 7 steps
Ya saw a pass.. Not a sack lol
by edenburnz on Nov 9, 2011 10:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Martz is calling his 5-7 step drops now with max protect or with a chip on the DEs
In Detroit he didn’t do either.
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Nov 10, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
The only reason Cutler got hit so many times in Detroit
was because Mike Martz is an idiot. He consistently called 7-step drops against the wide-9 d-line with only 5 guys blocking. It was a recipe for disaster.
Since then, Martz has adjusted his game plan. More 6-7 man protections, quick passes, and rollouts. The sacks have gone down significantly since our last meeting.
I know you’re confident in your d-line (as you should be), but if the Bears keep giving the tackles help on the edges, there’s no way the Lions pick up more than 2 sacks.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 9, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
at least half the passing plays in Philly were 7 step drops
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yeah the TE's and line actually did their jobs well
by frenchbears113 on Nov 9, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Right
when you can protect the QB you can throw almost any type of pass.
We didn’t see that type of protection in the first game vs. Detroit. It will be different this time around.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 9, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
but he had more than 5 guys blocking
at the very least chipped the ends back inside
OH, and no one had “68” printed on the back of his jersey
Only an idiot would design an offense around a 3 to 5 step drop with a QB like Cutler and receivers like Hester and Knox.
If you do not at least have the threat of the deep ball, Knox and Hester would get no cushion at all and be jammed at the line. Not really what I’d like to see happen. What I really like seeing is the moving the pocket and roll out passes recently. This buys the same amount of time for receivers getting deep but now the defense can’t just bull rush to a spot on the field, they have to read and react.
You had 3 sacks
which was really just the average number everyone was getting back then.
You should point to pressures, which by my count you had rougly eleventy billion of.
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which by my count you had rougly eleventy billion of
eleventy billion is a bit much, but I’m willing to say there was at least $Texas of them.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
I anticipate we beat the living piss out the Lions like we always have.
Your paper lions had a nice start this year but they are who we thought they were. Come back Sunday night and talk.
Dude, you talked the same kind of shit last time I was here and they played
Detroit embarrassed them. We are outscoring opponents 149-49 in the second half because we are wearing offensive lines down with the constant d-line rotations and putting pressure on the quarterbacks all game long. I really don’t think your o-line has improved 10 fold in just a few games, seriously. You guys are just hoping so much that this o-line will drastically improve overnight, but the fact of the matter is they are a below average unit with a good qb and running back behind them. Without Cutler or Forte, they’d be less than servicable.
How are they what you thought they were when we have already beaten you once and have a better record? I think you are just talking shit again and if the Lions do win again, you are the first person I come to see over here.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Nov 9, 2011 7:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
How great is the Lions OLine??
Has not looked too great against good teams. Your big boy oart of the schedule is coming up so we will see how that goes without a running game. The bears actually rn quite easilyon the great dett defense last time. I expect a lot more of that.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Impressive Smack Talk
Except both games last year were close games and this year was a L.
by alpo on Nov 9, 2011 8:27 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah, he talked a lot of shit last time also
Bears got embarrassed. One thing that nobody can say is we got embarrassed this season. Not once did we look that bad. Both losses came to top 10 teams by a touchdown or less.
Not sure what gives this guy the idea that we are paper Lions and the Bears are gonna maul us. This guy is just big on shit talkin’ I guess.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Nov 9, 2011 8:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm willing to bet you a beer the Bears win this game DLions4Eva.
what is the favorite brew over in the Motor City these days.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Well, I prefer Bud Select
But any domestic is suitable.
Its anyone’s game, I feel it could go either way honestly. I wouldn’t be willing to bet anybody anything on a game this important because of how close these division games usually are. I believe that the Lions could sweep the Bears, but I’m not willing to say for sure they will.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Nov 9, 2011 10:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not going to have that industrial noise machine working for you this time.
I am diabetic and only drink one beer a month I’ve been working on a case of Strohs for over a year now.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
This comment basically sets you up
to possibly look like an idiot on Sunday around 6:30.
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I'm interested to know whether or not Bear Jew comes back
at RT…I know Louis is maulin’ dudes out there, but can Spencer handle Suh and/or the other DTs? would a Louis-Carimi right side work better than a Spencer-Carimi right side? or, with the chemistry and confidence built over the past month, are we going to stick with what’s working?
Personally…I play 6-man line and pass the living heck outta that secondary…and run the dead horses outta them, too
I would not expect Carimi to play.
He will likely not suit up.
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So we're at he point of good players are deactivated to make room for a injured guy to play.
Just listening to the Afternoon Saloon and they talked to Anthony Adams. I didn’t realize Spice was inactive for the Monday night game. Guess he was the casualty of Bennett’s return. Wonder who gets benched to make room for Carimi? God, I hope it’s Omiyale!
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by boondock_saint812 on Nov 9, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Carimi is the injured guy.
I’m not sure what your point is.
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Lovie seemed to tailor his DL actives for Vick and Spice Adams is primarily a run-stuffer. Wonder if he’ll be active for the Lions game now that their RB corps has been further depleted (if Best doesn’t play).
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
I hope not, Morris and Smith are no McCoy and Brown.
I’d rather we just throw the kitchen sink at Stafford with Peppers, Paea, Okoye, Melton and Izzy.
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I thought Spice had a flare up of gout or something
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Carimi's out
had a setback in his rehab last week. I think the interior lineman can contain Suh, as long as they don’t run right at him.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 9, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Towards the end of the game, when the Bears are comfortably ahead,
someone needs to give Suh the old helmet-grab-and-twist treatment to let him taste a little of his own medicine. We’ll just call it good, clean, tough football, certainly nothing dirty.
Then we can also give Peppers a good ol' helmet to helmet shot like he did to Rodgers.
We can give Briggs the traditional head-slap to go with it.
Anyone can point fingers.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Pep and Briggs get called for their transgressions.
Suh generally has not.
Funny thing is that
the Bears didn’t lose the game because of the Lions pass rush or the overrated Suh. They lost it because the Bears defense didn’t stay in their gaps and let Jahvid Best look like Gayle Sayers. Well from my understanding, he’s not playing Sunday so if the Bears can play sound defense and we can continue to get production from our offense, I think we can win.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Suh Overrated?
I’m guessing bc he doesn’t have the same sack total as he did last year your saying he’s overrated. By your logic both Clay Matthews and Peppers are overrated too….awful logic
by alpo on Nov 9, 2011 8:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
No by my logic Suh is overrated
Peppers has 10 years in this league and has probowls to prove his worth. I wouldn’t insult him by comparing him to guys that have that much more to prove. Matthews has been neutralized this year as well and is also overrated but the hype train for Suh is ridiculous. When you’re being compared to Reggie White, you better be out there being a force and not letting teams run all over you. He’s a heck over a player with a hell of a reputation but until his actual production matches the hype and his mouth, I’ll call him what he is right now…Overrated.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Eek
Suh and White don’t play the same position. Also Matthews has hardly been neutralized. He’s top 5 in QB hits and pressures. The only ingredient missing is sacks. Not to mention he’s greatly improved his run D.
by alpo on Nov 9, 2011 9:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's not about the position
I’ve heard more than one person compare Suh to Reggie White in terms of his supposed dominance and if I’m not mistaken (and I could be) Reggie White was able to play all over the line.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Clay Matthews is an overrated 1 trick pony (Damn good 1 trick, but still)
Peppers is NOT overrated cause he does way more things other than get sacks. Blacks FGs get INT’s he does it all and is the ONLY D lineman that Make Vick his bitch…Suh Overrated? Ehh Nah he’s not but he is a douchebag
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Wait nevermind
Suh is a bit overrated…I would take Ngata over him
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You're right
You’re right, 13 points will usually get you the win in the NFL these days. I like your logic.
Where did he say that?
If you’re going to come over, at least don’t make things up.
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Sure
“the Bears didn’t lose the game because of the Lions pass rush or the overrated Suh. They lost it because the Bears defense didn’t stay in their gaps and let Jahvid Best look like Gayle Sayers.”
My point was he is blaming the defense when in reality, 13 points from your offense will rarely get the job done. And that’s only 13 points even though Cutler looked like Steve Young out there. Without an amazing effort by Cutler, the Bears definitely would not have scored even 13 points. Anyone who watched the game knows that the reason the Bears lost that game was due to the Lion’s defense, more specifically the defensive line.
Well, a combo of our poo-poo O-line
getting owned by your D-Line, and the big play hiccups given up by our defense, and thats the game.
If its free, take two.
Consecutive false start penalties
and poor protection schemes had as much to do with it as the Lions’ D-line. It’s hard to make plays when it’s 1st and 20 all the time.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Nov 10, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Nine false starts. Three sacks. Six QB hits.
The O-Line played scared that entire game. If Cutler doesn’t throw lights out on the run that game, the Lions win by 20 easy.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Nov 10, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
The Lions were down at halftime!
So I don’t see how they win by 20. Besides Cutler was doing what he always does against the Lions and that’s throw lights out. So let’s not act like it was the exception to the rule. No we lost that game because Best picked up key 3rd downs and broke two big runs. Simple as that.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
The Bears scored three points after halftime
Cutler went 6/9 for 74 yards against a prevent defense inside of two minutes and down by two scores. Outside of that, he went 22/29, but for only 175 yards. The Lions dominance of the O-Line prevented big plays by Cutler, meaning he had to dink and dunk his way down the field, and he only found the end zone once. I would expect similar things this time because max protect means fewer throwing options, and Cutler does not have solid receivers outside of Bennett and Forte.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Nov 11, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not scared of...
…a boy named Suh. Cutler will shine. Lions will fall.
And it’s Gale Sayers, not Gayle.
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