Free Agents The Bears Should Acquire this Off-Season
by DaBears33 on Dec 1, 2011 9:42 PM CST
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The Bears Defense has been struggling the past two games. The only way the Bears have gotten to really improve has been through the free agency. So the Bears have to go into the free agency ready to spend some money on at least one more Great Defensive player.
Cliff Avril: The Bears need a more well known guy that will draw some of the extra protection off of Julius Peppers. Cliff Avril is a aggressive guy. With Peppers on the other side of the DL the Bears DL will be the most feared in the NFL.
Brandon Carr: First to make it clear Carr will most likely not be resigned. The Chiefs have already gave Tamba Hali & Brandon Flowers huge contracts and Dwayne Bowe still needs a new contract. The Chiefs will not have enough money to resign him and sign all the other guys they really, really need to resign and sign. Now to get to the Bears. Charles Tillman is aging and is the only true CB the Bears have. Tim Jennings is a good CB but I would definitely rather see a new CB like Carr out there. To bring in Stats Opponents have earned a total of 2975 yards. Signing a new CB that can cover a guy better will definitely help with that.
Stephen Tulloch: The Bears need a new Strong Side Linebacker. Nick Roach is a Great Backup but isn't good enough to be a starter. Stephen Tulloch would indefinitely be a great new starting Strong Side Linebacker. To go into stats Tulloch had 160 Tackles in 2010 and Nick Roach hasn't had one season with more then 55 Tackles and Tulloch has only been in the NFL one year longer then Roach.
For Offense there needs are easily exploited. There is OL, WR, & TE. The Bears need to resign Matt Forte and sign a young talented OL man.
Carl Nicks. The Bears have actually two good OGs in Chris Wiliams and Chris Spencer but Chris Williams is way to fragile to be deemed as a permanent Starting OL man. Signing Carl Nicks will of course be a really, really great sign and could also bring Lovie Smith's dream come true by being able to move Chris Williams to the Center.
Vincent Jackson: The Bears tried to see if Roy Williams could become the WR he was with the Lions but so far he has been a bust. Jay Cutler Loves Height which was also a big reason why Roy Williams is even with the Bears right now. Jackson is 6'5 and is the Same height as Greg Olsen which was Cutlers favorite target last year.
John Carlson: John Carlson has been a pretty good TE when he is healthy. He will look for somewhere new to start off at where there wont be any threats of losing his starting position like he did with the Seahawks when they signed Zach Miller. Kellen Davis is big and has been a good blocker but sometimes drops balls that should be caught. With Carlson he will bring in the Receiving TE the Bears have missed since they traded Greg Olsen for a 3rd round pick.
Please Comment and let me know what you think. Also answer the poll. Thanks for Reading.
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I like the idea of Avril
Pepp needs some help, but this year, he’s been even better than last season.
Vjax would be nice…Bowe is also a FA. Not sure they’re a good fit for Martz and his offense. Although, he might be gone after this year.
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Plus
The offense we run next year may not look as much like a Martzfense if he leaves and somebody else(Tice) takes over play calling.
I'm hoping the playbook is kept the same, at the very least.
There’s some good stuff in there. It’s just called very weirdly…
Martz is becoming unbelievable.
He is now blaming his players the mistakes that come from his wacko plays. He needs to be gone from the league and I hope he doesn’t become the head coach for the Jags because im a fan of them and hiring a even worse head coach then there last head coach is just outrageous.
I wonder if they will even resign Bowe?
I get the feeling that Bowe and Jackson are going to ask for some elite receiver money, like what Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson are making. I don’t think either Bowe or Jackson are worth that kind of money though, both receivers in my opinion tend to get frustrated easily and go lazy on their routes in return. Honestly, I’d rather pick up a top WR in the draft before I’d take a shot at these guys
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If they took Anquan Boldin monies...
I’d be happy. 4/28 with 10 guaranteed.
VJax
Vincent Jackson should be our number one priority after Forte and Briggs get paid. The Bears are notorious for going after guys who have big games against them. Vincent Jackson does have the size and speed that would fit anywhere. I like Roy Williams, but he has been sub-par at best. If you remember, Cutler had his best years when he had a big guy who runs routes well in Denver (Brandon Marshall). If Cutler had that with everything else building around him, he would be set. Dare I say, “Career Year”?
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Brandon Carr
I would love to see Carr come to the Bears, He’s a young corner who has the skills to shutdown most recievers. He could fill a huge hole that will be left in a year or two when Tillman calls it quits.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Briggs got his monies. He should play out his contract. Then we'll worry about him.
Forte is a priority this offseason. Idk about other FAs on our roster. But VJax is IMO the #1 priority as far as non-Bears FAs.
Some of these positions can be filled in the draft as well
Looking at all the mock drafts, the positions where the Bears are located are conveniently located around the same picks/spots where the likes of linebackers Vontaze Burfict (ASU) and Courtney Upshaw (ALA). We’ve had a nice run of drafting top linebackers and producing monsters (see: Urlacher and Briggs, even though Urlacher was a safety out of college). We also fall in an area where we can possibly trade up and grab Michael Floyd (WR – ND) or we can possibly nab Peter Konz (C – WIS). As far as the free agents go, I think all of these players listed would be nice pickups, especially the likes of Avril, Carr, and Nicks. Carlson would be a nice grab as well but it sounds like he may be intent with going back home to Minnesota…
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Michael Floyd has bust written all over him
Too slow and too poor of an attitude. No thanks
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In what way does Floyd have a poor attitude and is too slow? Explain
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Lol considering he got suspended for having off the field issues
and have you not watched him play? He’s slow.
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Really?
Cause a 4.5 40 isn’t exactly slow (and he’s recorded 4.4’s). And he hasn’t even trained for the combine. Players hire people to teach them to run the 40 faster just for the combine, and on average, drop .1 seconds from their normal at the combine.
BTW, Earl Bennett runs a 4.5, as does Larry Fitzgerald, Dwayne Bowe and Roddy White. Those guys are slow. And I watch every ND game. I live 3 miles from the stadium and am a huge fan. If you honestly believe Floyd plays slow, I question how many games you watched.
Additionally, no scouting report that I can find list any concern about his speed.I am a ND fan, so I took a look around to make sure I wasn’t just being biased. But all I’m finding are reviews of his speed as “under-rated”, “quick off the line and can stretch the field” and things like that.
As to his off field suspension, Floyd got a DUI. I don’t condone drinking and driving. But in terms of character, that’s pretty minor, considering the NFL saw 78 DUIs in 2008, and players like Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss had weed issues coming in. How that reflects a poor attitude, I’m not sure. How that reflects what type of receiver he could be, well…..Hines Ward is also a DUI club member, as is Braylon Edwards and Tampa’s Mike Williams.
And aren’t you one of the VJack supporters? The guy suspended three games for off-field issues? His second DUI, if I remember correctly.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 2, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Speed doesn't matter. At all. Great hands is the only I ask of a WR.
Really the only position on the Offense that needs speed is HB. Also there’s Johnny Knox and Devin Hester.
Lol he says speed doesn't matter...
At wr in the NFL… LMFAO
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It does, but only to a point.
Hands and route-running ability IMO are bigger needs for all NFL WRs. Size and speed are on the same level. Just below hands and route-running.
BUT
If they don’t have any speed, idc how good of routes you run, you’re not going to be worth a 1st round pick.. See Seattle’s mike Williams
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That is a point.
But id still prefer good route running and great hands before 4.2 40 yard dash times. In my opinion of course everyone and ever team is different.
THat only applies if you don't have speed. Floyd does.
And look around. Barring a complete meltdown at the combine, he WILL be a first round pick. Shoots that theory in the foot.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 2, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes he's going to be a first round pick BUT
He still has bust written all up and down him
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How?
Please explain.
He may end up being a bust. So might Andrew Luck. Or anyone else drafted.
But I’m interested in what you see that says he will be. (background….I always find it interesting when people say this. It’s a safe pick if they stay vague because the majority of first round picks never live up to their potential so I’m interested in whether your going for the easy vague answer or whether you’ll detail it beyond “He’s slow” and “bad attitude”, both of which are ridiculous anyways)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Because he has already had trouble with the law in college
he has multiple off the field issues
and as many team have found out over the year when a college student has off the field issues, it translates to the NFL. See Ced Benson. One of the biggest busts for the Bears ever.
Yes Michael Floyd is talented, though a little slow (isn’t he expected to run like a 4.6/4.7?) but the do is a head case, he’s worse than Dez Bryant. Michael Floyd reminds me A LOT of Mike Williams from the Seahawks .
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He's had one off-fiedl issue that I know of........
But he’s never been accused of the issues that affected Benson. It’s not a fair comparison. Benson has mental health issues. Floyd got a DUI. Not exactly uncommon players coming into the draft, or NFL playes in general. I believe something like 73 players in the league were charged in ’09 with the same crime. Floyd has never been a problem in the locker room or been accused of giving less than 100%
He’s been in trouble twice for underaged consumption (more common than not among college students in general) and once for the DUI that I can find.
I’m more concerned with his injury history than his character. And even then, players don’t often have the same injury history in the NFL that they do in collar.
You’re making head case claims that contradict everything you read here in South Bend. Players and coaches call him a good teammate and he hasn’t had any issues outside of the typical teen drinking and the one serious one with the DUI that got him suspended, which he also took well. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information, but it isn’t anything close to what his coaches, teammates or the NFL scouts are saying about him.
And no, he’s expected to run high 4.4/low 4.5. Again, not sure where you’re getting the info, but he has recorded 4.4’s and 4.5’s historically.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 4, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
And 4.4, low 4.5 receivers DO get taken in the first.
Larry Fitzgerald and Roddy White are examples. Meanwhile, you get some really fast guys in the first round, too.
Like Heyward-Bey. The Raiders were very smart to pick the fastest receiver on the board (who just finally crossed 1000 receiving yards Sunday against the Bears, just 2 years and 11 games into his career) instead of, say…Percy Harvin, Kenny Britt, Jeremy Maclin, Michael Crabtree and Hakeem Nicks, all 4.4 or slower receivers and all much more productive than Heyward-Bay….and all first round picks in 2009.
Just saying…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 2, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
True and Percy Harvin is a pretty good Punt and Kick Returner. Out of all of them Harvin has been the most productive with Receiving and Returning kicks. Going for speed isn’t everything.
I'd call Nicks the most productive of the bunch....
and he was the slowest and the last one picked. But he leads them all in receiving yardage and in touchdowns. Harvin’s return ability aside, Nicks has probably been the most successful, even though he’s the least recognizable of the group.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
definitely nicks
I was hoping the bears would pick him when he came out as I’m a UNC alum, but alas, it wasn’t meant to be. his hands, route-running and ability to get separation were all top-notch coming out.
if we did draft him though, we wouldn’t be having this WR discussion.
Yes I do agree if you put punt and kick returning
out of it. Hakeem Nicks is the most feared by DBs on that list. He is a good WR and is a steady #1 receiver and will be for a while.
Cuz ya know Crabtree has really panned out.. not. Bust.
and i never said I wanted a pure speed guy did i?? No. He stated speed wasn’t important and I said it was. Never said all i wanted was speed and nothing else.
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Jerry Rice and his 4.7 40 disagree with you.
Speed is the least valuable of a receivers skills.
And you brought up Floyd being slow (which you were wrong about). He responded to you.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
The GOAT. Too slow, he only produced at a low level and played in a pass wacky scheme; bust written all over him.
So now you're comparing Michael Floyd to Rice?
LOL Get out of here.
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I think they are pointing out how many elite WRs weren't blazers
Which is a valid point.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 4, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, my bad
Should anyone ever compare Tim Tebow to Hitler the whole thing is going to go thermonuclear.
(I can’t think why anyone would though)
Yes, speed -wise I am comparing Floyd to Rice.
And Floyd wins. So I guess he has enough speed to be a great wideout because he is definitely faster than the GOAT, who ran in the 4.7’s in the combine.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 4, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
lol....
now he just needs to get to work making everything else he does more like Rice and he’s a shoo-in. :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 10, 2011 3:41 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, BTW...
You picked one of the five to target and didn’t mention any of the others, BUT…..Crabtree hasn’t been the guy he was expected to be (in a SF offense that hasn’t been able to throw the ball in years, mind you) but he’s also not been bad. He’ll end this season around 800 yards this year in a horrible passing offense after ending with 740 and six touchdowns last year.
But the jab doesn’t matter to the point. Once again, the only speedster in the six drafted in the first round is still the worst of the first round picks. Speed is the least valuable asset in a receiver. Ask Hester and Knox.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
On Crabtree...
He has Alex Smith chucking the rock. And Bears fans WISH that they could have a consistent 740/6 wideout. We currently do not have a wideout like that…
Exactly.
Context matters.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Jerry Rice.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ummm jerry rice didnt have good speed and so do alot of other players
I think speed is alot of garbage give me 2 guys who can run routs with good hands anyday.I think the most important thing people dont see is you need brains to be a better player.Look at hester great speed cant run routs tho.
bad attitude?
took his hit, came back, cleaned up his act and has had a monster season. Floyd might not ever be a star in the NFL, but to call him a bad attitude is a bit ignorant.
As for his speed, not world class, but for a guy with his size and ability to make catches, it is good enough.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 3, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
This......
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Hasn't he been battling with injuries?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 5, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Not this season
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
not sure how a guy who's earning such a low amount of $ on a 1 year deal (REW)
can be a bust. But whatever.
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The reason why Roy Williams came to Chicago was because he played in Mike Martz's
system back with the Lions. Roy Williams had one of his best seasons in his career when he was with the Lions and the Bears were hoping he was going to have another season like he did there. Which is why he is a bust because so far this season he only has 24 receptions, 335 yards, and only 1 TD.
No. Absolutely not.
If the Bears were expecting him to have a great season they would’ve given him more $ and more than a 1 year deal. They brought him in to be a role player, and he’s done just that. He’s played his role in this offense and has been a decent target for Jay. Nothing was expected of him and he has outplayed his contract, even though people fail to see that.
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No. Absolutely not.
Roy Williams was given a 1 year deal because that’s all he could demand on the open market. He underachieved and was tossed to the side by Dallas because of his production. His play earned him that contract. He bet on himself and with that he came to camp out of shape and not even worthy of the one year deal. There is a very strong possibility that the guy we have starting at WR could be out of football next year.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Nice comment title
did you get yours at Gliks too?
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WR needs
Michael Floyd looks pretty legit to me. He might be a head case, but he runs routes fairly well and has great hands for a bigger guy. I wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Bears’ uniform.
But I feel if the next do not resign Roy Williams (which they shouldn’t), we are going to need a big target. Cutler likes to air it out and some of those balls tend to be jump balls. A big body like Michael Floyd or (God willing) Vincent Jackson.
I do like the receivers we have (when they stay on their feet, and not allow interceptions that cause the quarterback to injure himself). Keep Hester mostly on the Special Teams to continue to give the Bears great field position and work on that record (otherwise the Cardinals’ Patrick Peterson is going to break Hester’s record in three seasons!) Dane Sanzenbacher shows promise (but please don’t say he is the next Wes Welker!!! Deplorable!!! He reminds me more of a Tom Waddle, used in the slot and just be very shifty in the middle of the field.) Johnny Knox can stretch the field and thin out the secondary. And Earl Bennett is a great go-to guy, especially on third down.
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Just say no
to Michael Floyd
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Just say yes
To Michael Floyd
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 2, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Just say no to Alshon Jefferey
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by Joeb'n777 on Dec 4, 2011 9:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who like Blackmon
Might not even be in the NFL draft. They’re both juniors.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 5, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like that idea.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 5, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Vincent Jackson would be a great upgrade to the WR corps
Other needs that have to be filled are depth on the O-Line and depth in the secondary
I agree.
But really we only need Brandon Carr because the Safety positions are in good hands now with one year man Major Wright and Rookie Chris Conte. Carl Nicks would definitely help out the Line.
I thought the Saints signed Nicks to a long term
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Nope.
Signed a one-year $2.61M contract
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Ive tried to write you a couple times through email but you've never wrote back Ill write you on here.
Theres a guy on B/R that pretty much wrote a article about how much he hates Bears fans and I want to know if he can get into trouble for doing that?
Nope.
You have to have a thick skin and take the good with the bad.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 4, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
No everywhere I look it says this is his last year.
Jahri Evans is the one that signed a big contract last year.
Evans signed a seven year deal in 2010.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 3, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
wide receiver
who looks good in the up-coming draft? i don’t get to see any college games and would love the bears to get a steal in the draft
Robert Mathis and maybe Reggie Wayne
Mathis will be a lot cheaper than Avril (who I am sure Detroit will try to keep) and will probably be available. Bring him out on passing downs opposite Peppers and watch him flatten around the edge and nail the QB.
Wayne may not be back in Indy either and he is still pretty good.
Actually Tim Jennings has only been this good for the past 3 or 4 games.
Every now and then he is pretty bad. Also no way even when Jennings is at his best he isn’t as good as Peanut on a normal game. Tillman is way underrated. Tim Jennings is far from the Top CB on the roster. Id even say at times DJ Moore is better then him mostly because Jennings drops a ball even if it was throw directly at him when Moore somehow ends up intercepting a ball that even some WRs couldn’t catch.
Jennings is great in the cover 2
but sucks at man coverage and isn’t all that good when they play cover 3 either. I wouldn’t pay him big money.
In reference to your comment regarding Spencer and Williams
Don’t confuse better with “good”. The offensive line has gotten BETTER across the board but they are still far from “good”. With the exception of RT, you could justify an upgrade via FA or Draft at any position along the line. In fact I fully expect them to take AT LEAST one O-Lineman on in the first two days of the draft.
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by Joeb'n777 on Dec 4, 2011 9:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think I'd be generally happy with Lance Louis somewhere along the line.
Carimi should be our LT, I’ve been saying this since day 1. You put your best blocking OL on the left side, always. He’s the best we’ve got. Lance Louis is second, and he’s a decent mauler on the right side. Webb is a terrible starter, but a good backup/swing guy. The inside scares me…
Putting your best blocker at LT doesn't always work in pros
As far as the interior goes I wouldn’t say it scares me. I would however say that we are still in desperate need of a talent infusion.
Williams is good in pass protection but isn’t very good as a run blocker. Garza is old, gets little push in the run game and needs help against good DT’s in pass protection. Spencer has shown flashes and could be an average Center but is inconsistent and struggles with better DT’s when not getting help. Louis has shown flashes and could use dome more development.
Take this for what it’s worth but I read prior to yesterday’s game but that PFF said that according to their grading system our line is the 3rd worst in pass blocking efficiency. Just something to consider.
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by Joeb'n777 on Dec 5, 2011 10:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lance gave up five sacks sunday.....
Just saying.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 6, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
This is true but....
in fairness they all came in the final quarter + 1 minute of the game. By the accounts I read (wasn’t able to watch the game. For some reason Atl at Hou was televised over the Bears here) he was having a decent game up to that point.
I still think he has potential and that he still needs another offseason to develop. Let’s not forget that he is playing out of position to.
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by Joeb'n777 on Dec 6, 2011 9:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly...
I couldn’t care if his five sacks were the last five consecutive plays, the first five consecutive plays or evenly dispersed through the game. He allowed five sacks.
That’s not to say he doesn’t have potential. I actually like Louis. But He’s not the second best linemen on the team. that’s what I’m saying.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 7, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
I can't disagree with any of that
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by Joeb'n777 on Dec 7, 2011 9:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
2nd best lineman is
Chris Williams. The only thing wrong with him is that he can’t stay healthy. 3rd is Chris Spencer, 4th is Louis, and 5th is Garza.
Garza's still a serviceable linemen...
and he’d probably be one of the best on the team were he still a guard. Learning to do everything AFTER snapping the ball has hurt him. I think the Bears would be better off switching him and Chris Spencer to their intended slots at this point. Spencer has more experience at center and should know enough about the line calls in Chicago now to make them effectively. And Garza could return to his natural right guard spot without any dropoff from Spencer.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 8, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Lance Louis is a RG playing RT
For the most part, he has done well in that regard. Everyone has a (horrific) game from time to time. Lets see how/if he rebounds against the Broncos.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 9, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not calling for the guys head.
I think he;s the eventual replacement for RG after Garza retires and either vacates the RG spot or vacates the center spot and Spencer is finally moved there. Either way, Louis is being groomed for the spot. But he lost that position to Spencer, who has been very, very good since taking over, and if Spencer WAS to claim his center spot, Garza is still a better guard than Louis at this point, though god knows for how long.
But I don’t think Louis sucked. He just sucked Sunday.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Garza will remain as a Center, and that the RG position is up for grabs?
I feel the best thing to do once Carimi returns to RT is to have a competition between Louis and Spencer at RG.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't.
Spencer grades out as the best runblocker on the team this season and he’s allowed no sacks this season. Spencer will start. The question is where. If he moves back to center, I think Louis has a decent shot at beeting Garza out for RG. But I don’t see the Bears ignoring the fact that Spencer has been a bright spot in a very dim position group.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 10, 2011 2:13 AM CST up reply actions
Spencer at C, Louis at RG and Carimi at RT
is better than what we have now. Garza has been okay, but the team needs to get better.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 10, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
I think that's our future.
With Chris Williams at LG and a new mid-round draft pick at LT next season. Garza would give the Bears a versatile interior backup that can take over if someone is injured without much drop-off.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 10, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Webb does seem like the weak link.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 11, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Look below
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 11, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Louis did rather well at RG?
And he only had a limited amount of reps there.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 10, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
That's just it...
Louis has limited reps. and looked decent. You could extrapolate his pressure stats to equal the number of snaps Spencer took, and in that case, he would have allowed more pressure than Spencer…..
But I’m not a fan of extrapolating stats. It’s too misleading. the competition on the other side changes from game to game and guessing that he would give equal performance to every player he blocks in every game is just silly. Let’s say that in his limited snaps he faced two pushovers. Then his extrapolated stats would look much, much better than he would likely have posted in real life. And the reverse is also true. Not to mention that the effort put in by his opposition in that small sample also effects the extrapolated stats.
Imagine if we only had the last two weeks to extrapolate for his season at RT. He’d look horrible. Far worse than he has actually played.
As to how he graded out at RG? He played 20 snaps before exiting in the ATL game. And he did a good job, grading out positive on the game at +0.1 (one of only four positive days for him this season). But his other start (against DET at Ford Field) was graded his third worst game of the season (With KC being his worst and Week 10 against DET coming in second worst). But you can’t read too much into that. He was playing the Lions and their fan-frickin-tastic interior line. Again, this is why I don’t like judging a season on two games. It’s really pretty unfair to Louis.
Like I said, I think he has a decent shot at beating out Garza for the RG spot, but I don’t think he beats Spencer (who already took the RG spot away from him. Remember that Louis lost his starting job to Spencer)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 10, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
I can agree with just about everything except this:
Like I said, I think he has a decent shot at beating out Garza for the RG spot, but I don’t think he beats Spencer (who already took the RG spot away from him. Remember that Louis lost his starting job to Spencer)
IIRC, it was not just because Spencer was doing well compared to the rest of the O-line, but because Frank Omiyale was so bad at RT a change was absolutely neccessary, where Lance Louis came and was seen as an instant improvement (who wouldn’t be?) over Gate 68.
Also, I saw a little earlier indicating a need for a new mid rounder at LT? Why give up on Webb when its just his first year at LT? He hasn’t been great, but he has steadily improved at perhaps the toughest position in the NFL. It can take years to develop a LT. Just let the youngster be at LT.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 11, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Your assumption
that Webb has steadily improved is highly debatable
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 11, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Its definitely an opinion
But, its also a known fact everyone develops at their own pace. It could very well take a long time before Webb gets any good. I’m asking to give him 1 more year at LT before giving up on him.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 11, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Sure, give him more time....
But what’s wrong with bringing in some competition from a mid rounder or even Carimi
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by Joeb'n777 on Dec 11, 2011 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In the mean time
his slow and uneven development is hurting the team.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 12, 2011 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
Very interesting, I didn't realize this
Any linkage?
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by Joeb'n777 on Dec 10, 2011 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pro Football Focus
But you have to have a membership to view their database.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 10, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I want bears to take care of Biz from via F.A for OL An WR
We got no time to develop these guys cutlers getting killed out there and needs guys to throw too A.S.A.P…Then i would draft all my D needs in the draft we still got some time left with our aging D.
I definitly agree
At least on defense we have Julius Peppers, Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, ect. to teach the new rookie’s defensive players. Sure you have a chance of drafting a new elite player but we don’t have enough time to wait for the rookies to develop. Jay Cutler is in his prime and the Defense will only have the key 3 elite guys for a couple more years before they retire or slow down.
Carl Nicks & Vincent Jackson !!?
Why does this tempt me so much!!!?
In all seriousness as well as honesty, I don’t feel we should pursue any starting O-lineman. Chris Williams as well as Gabe Carimi both are on IR, and both players are young Lineman that showed a great deal of promise prior to their respective as well as unfortunate injuries. So as great of a player Carl Nicks is and while admitting I’d be extremely happy to see him in the fabled navy and orange with GSH on his sleeves, I will say pass (surprise!) and spend the money elsewhere.
Vincent Jackson, on the other hand, is an absolute no-brainer. His record isn’t perfect (DUI) but his performance speaks volumes. If Tice is the OC next year (IF) or if Martz remains as the OC, I don’t anticipate REW being back and it would make it a great deals easier to sign someone who has played (well) in a similar system. Earl Bennett is already receiving a contract where it is worth top 10 salary, but as I’ve read on these boards the Bears seem very intent on adding a starting receiver after this season, either via FA or Draft.
Regardless the big money is being saved for someone, and Forte’s value may continue to drop given his lack of TDs compounded by an unfortunate injury. Jerry is up to something big. In a FA so deep, I can’t help but speculate Jerry being active, albeit I will not be able to find out who Jerry signs given that as of March 12th next year I will be at Basic Training @ Great Lakes with the World’s Finest Navy.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 5, 2011 1:45 PM CST reply actions
It'll have to be next year.
It’s next year or NEVER for Jelly. As awesome as our defense is, I don’t see them having more than 1 more cohesive year together. Our LBs are amongst the oldest core in the NFL. our DL isn’t exactly young either. The only spot where we’re reasonably young is at Safety, and I’m still not 100% certain about those guys back there.
With an elite defense, we need a competent offense. I know I’m sounding like a Cubs fan right now, but NEXT YEAR, BABY!!!
Ready the pitchforks.
Oh the pitchforks have been sitting here nice and sharpened
They’re more than ready..
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 5, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Mine got a bit rusty over the last 7 weeks...
Time to clean it off again.
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