Nothing To Really Say: Bears Lose to Seahawks 38-14
by Steven Schweickert on Dec 18, 2011 3:33 PM CST
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PrintWell, at least the first half looked promising?
Marshawn Lynch put the first points on the board with a rushing touchdown, and the Bears countered with an Israel Idonije fumble recovery in the end zone to tie it. Caleb Hanie then threw a deep interception and followed that with a touchdown toss to Kahlil Bell, and the game went into the half 14-7.
Unfortunately, it went downhill from there pretty quick. Hanie, in a toss reminiscent of the NFCCG, hit defensive tackle Red Bryant for an easy interception touchdown, and later was picked by Brandon Browner for another interception touchdown. Josh McCown replaced Hanie with five minutes left in the game and was promptly picked off himself as the Seahawks ran away, 38-14.
Hanie continued to show flashes, but those flashes were almost instantly erased - like watching Rex Grossman, except his fluctuations occur from drive to drive and play to play. It'll be interesting to see if Hanie continues to start next week against the Packers or if he is benched in favor of McCown or Nathan Enderle. Tim Jennings was also benched for a time.
A couple players left for the game with injuries. Johnny Knox left early in the first with a back injury and Chris Conte was removed with an ankle injury.
Quick, disappointing numbers after the jump.
Caleb Hanie: 10/23, 111 yards, TD, 3 INT - 33.3 passer rating; 5 carries, 34 yards
Kahlil Bell: 15 carries, 65 yards; 5 receptions, 43 yards, TD
Marion Barber: 11 carries, 33 yards
Dane Sanzenbacher: 2 receptions, 26 yards
Julius Peppers: Sack - Forced Fumble
Tarvaris Jackson: 19/31, 227 yards, TD - 94.4 passer rating
Marshawn Lynch: 20 carries, 42 yards, 2 TDs; 2 receptions, 5 yards
Golden Tate: 4 receptions, 61 yards
Zach Miller: 4 receptions, 23 yards
Brandon Browner: INT, TD
Red Bryant: INT, TD
Chris Clemons: 2 sacks
Rahem Brock: 2 sacks
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Those numbers, with the exception of the stats for Peppers, aren't dissapointing
They are disrespectful. Caleb Hanie is a gonner at this point, and throw McC(L)own in there too.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
What did McCown do ? Lol
Did he hold Hanie’s clip board wrong?
Chill out.
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I'm trying man
But just wtf from these QBs right now
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Hey they should try Enderle...
I mean at this point… Why not?
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Well I'd love to see Cutler finish the season on a high note
But there is just nothing credible to be optimistic for unless everyone else losses at this point.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
SD was a high note.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well...yea in 1 way
But, at this point f*** draft position, just finish the season with some pride.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe in fixing the games for the draft, but I wouldn't want to hurt position and his future now.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Cutler should be done for year at this point.
Shut him, Matt, Hester and anyone with lingering injuries down.
It’s just not worth pride or a career to try and finish season “On a High Note”. This teams D is getting old and we might as well preserve them as much as possible for next year.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Dec 18, 2011 4:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Enderle with this O-line
would be just a bad. Enderle isn’t as mobile as Cutler and Hanie. They need a backup with a brain, too bad KC got to Orton first.
Orton
Could have us in the thick of this playoff picture, imho. I think a conservative estimate would have us at 9-5 right now, beating the chiefs and broncos.
Bill Cowher for CEO!!
His staff would take care of the rest of what needs to be done with this team
by Bear72 on Dec 18, 2011 3:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Eh, maybe VP of football operations. He isn't profit savvy.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
How do you know he isn't profit savvy ?
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He is a football player and coach, not someone trained or schooled in business, commerce, accounting, etc.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
How do you know though?
Football players and coaches all went to college
How do you know he wasn’t a business major or something
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Got a bachelors in Education.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
ok
lol
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He can keep Phillips around for that part of it. Angelo drafts just like an accountant
A football guru is what they need for team oerations involving players, scouting for talent, development, coaches who know how to recognize development coupled with ability.
Yeah, that is why I suggested that.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Need another Jim Finks
Need someone who can build an offensive line. Angelo couldn’t build an offense in Tampa why would anyone think he could build on here.
Who knows what McNabb could have done, but surely not worse than the two clowns.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Let it go
McNabb brings nothing to the table
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Better accuracy, less picks and more TDs say otherwise.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Or the present that says he'd do better.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ok dude
you wanted the last word, you got it. It’s like arguing with a rock. Try to be logical sometimes.
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
That is not it. I don't get how you are not seeing the disparity in their play this season....
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Oh, I'm seeing it fine alright
and if you really think an immobile and inaccurate QB like McNabb is going to come in, behind this o-line, and with these WRs, and do something beneficial, then you have another thing coming. There is nothing that McNabb has done over the past 2-3 years that says he is still a decent QB.
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
As I said previously....of we're going to play clowns at QB I demand to be entertained.
I want Peppers as the wildcat option QB and someone from arena league as QB other half of time.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Dec 18, 2011 4:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kurt Warner was an arena leaguer.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The Patriots will be a 1st round out again
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Not if they get a bye.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I vote Nate Enderle to start against the Pack
Throw the rookie into the shark tank and see what he can do
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If you want him killed or his confidence permanently shaken, yes.
Or start him against the easier Vikings.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The Vikings
probably have a better defense than the Packers. I would take a look at one of the other QB options in the remaining two games, because I think it’s evident that Caleb Hanie should not be our backup next year. See if one of the other guys might be. The season is essentially over now anyway.
You haven't watched the Vikings much this year have you?
They probably have the worst secondary in the league right now, and are competing for allowing the highest Passer rating as a team in the history of the NFL.
by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
I can make a few predictions...
about how many plays he runs before he has his head removed a la the LT spot!
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Webb sucks
I’ve been saying this for two years now
Carimi for LT
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Right there with you...
I still don’t understand the mentality of this team. They try to beat you with their weakness…it’s disturbing.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Curious as to why you would move him from his original spot that he has gotten comfortable with
for a new one.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
One he played well in.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I would say...
an 80% Carimi at LT is better than 110% of Webb…addition by subtraction.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Because he played 2 games at RT
and he played 4 years at Wisc. at LT.
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College is completely different and he played professional ball at right tackle.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
for 2 games
he’ll have a real offseason to get back accustomed to LT.
If you’ve played LT your whole life like he has, it’s really difficult to switch to RT
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Not thrilled with the idea, but I guess he'd be better than some shmoe. Just have a hole at RT now.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Louis.
duh
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The guy who has less experience than Carimi at the tackle position and gave up seven bad plays the two weeks prior to today?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Either start Carimi at LT
Or sign a vet to take over at LT. Webb has embarressed me to this point.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, I don't think there will be anyone worth while or like a Chris Spencer in FA this year. Kind of blew our chance.
Though we get Carimi and C Dub back and the line will be better that way.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
or maybe
They’ll lose out and have a chance to get Kahlil from USC
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Hell no
Kahlil looks like a top 5 pick at this moment.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't know at this point
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone with knowledge of the Chargers know how well Gathier(?) is doing at LT?
I’d like to see him at LT if he is doing well
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
He is doing quite well based on the news articles. And they have McNeil, so we'd get him for a decent trade price. Maybe Knox.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I think otherwise
He played in a run-heavy system in Winsconsin, and has only had 2 starts under his NFL belt.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think Gathier is free after this season is finished
Given he was brought in just to fill in for McNeil.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Carimi looks more like a road grading RT right now
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Dec 18, 2011 4:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Agree completely.
Hanie should be gone next year, you’re not bringing McCown back, so why not see what the guy you invested a draft pick in has?
This situation is also the reason I was so much against extending Lovie’s contract. I agreed that he should be retained and allowed to show he could make the playoffs 2 seasons in a row but he’s shown he can’t do that. Now the Bears will stick with this whole group of morons because they’re committed financially where they could have made a decision from a stronger position when this season ends.
If Martz is here next season, I’ll be very disappointed. This offense has not improved the Bears at all, in my opinion, and it could be argued that it’s so restrictive that it is one of the reasons they couldn’t plug another veteran QB into the equation that would have given them a better chance of making the playoffs when Jay went down.
'05 and '06
Martz won’t be back either.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I don't want jay to have to learn another system, that's the only reason I keep him around.
The only reason to keep him around.
Yea, Cutler was taking over the game when he had a good rhythm with the offense
But, perhaps since Tice was given a say in the offense he may have picked up the Martzfense.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
avg. 27 a game, that offense was on a roll too
That’s the reason I want to keep the offense, not a Martz fan, it’d make it easier for our franchise QB.
Seventh in scoring with this O
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
And prior to this game a top 10 rating in rushing offense
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
True words right there. And Martz hasn’t had anything good to work with while his best 2 players have been out.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
blame jerry angelo for the lack of depth
OL, #2 QB, no impact WR, it all falls to him.
Agreed
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
He's the only guy I feel comfortable pointing a finger at
I know you can’t plan for losing your starting QB and RB, but you have to be able to do better than this. You have to.
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
It seemed to me that the success that Jay was having midway through the season was due more to
his ability to improvise than the “Martz System”. I really feel like this system is a hinderance and is outdated in today’s NFL. You need an outstanding offensive line and that is rare in today’s NFL with free agency and few teams have the time to build the continuity it takes for consistant 5-7 step drops and no audibles.
yeah had to improvise quite a bit
especially the game @ DET, guy had ZERO time to throw.
no halftime adjustments again!!!
I was aaginst that extension the moment it happened.
they were not doing anything the first half that called for an adjustment
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Did anyone catch that post-game conference with Hanie?
God, I’d rather watch him THROW interceptions than listen to him try and explain WHY he threw interceptions, one by one.
Hub was accurate in his assessment.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
"Hub is never accurate in anything he blabbs
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He said Hanie's career is done. Not accurate or just a dumb assumption by you?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Hub is a blabbering fool
And you must be ignorant to believe anything that walking diarrhea of the mouth case says
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
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He said Hanie's career is over, but you don't think so? Or do you think the season was still up for grabs with Cutler going down? Or sarcasm?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The way i have understood it, the Bears will bring Hanie back next year as the back up
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Why?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Hub being a friend of the McCaskeys gives me pause
to wonder how much of what he says they take as gospel
I want Peppers as our QB
He’d scare the cr$p out of opposing DLines.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Dec 18, 2011 4:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I just saw the injury to Johnny Knox.
Holy crap, that looked scary. I hope he gets better soon.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
I knew the bears were done when cutler went down.
Fire Angelo.
Let Hanie walk.
Let Martz leave.
Trade Knox next season.
Please draft OL, WR, CB, LB AND MORE OL.
Lovie has been out coached the last few games, but he has no depth to work with. Yes, McCarthy and the packers dealt with huge injury losses last season, but did not lose Rodgers for an extended period of time and they have Ted Thompson drafting for them. I would not rank McCarthy as an elite coach in no way whatsoever. Glad they lost.
D played badly today, but Hanie is a momentum killer.
by NFCwoman on Dec 18, 2011 3:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
McCarthy is overrated.
Good assessment too.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Absolutely right about momentum killer
Hanie has shown to be a true momentum killer more times than not. Between this complicated offense and its limited “hurry up” and audible capability, Hanie becomes 3 wrongs in this whole damn scheme of things
What exactly
do you think they’d get for Knox?
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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How the Bears can be under the salary cap and have the steaming pile of crap they have at backup QB is beyond me.
Jerry Angelo should be fired for gross negligence.
mainly because they're under ths salary cap.
by NFCwoman on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
$19 million in cap space and you don't address backup QB???
Long overdue for Angelo to go. I don’t blame the staff as much as I blame Angelo.
the McCaskeys dont see the need...
as the money is rolling in just fine.
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Dec 19, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Mmm..
fix our backup QB situation at the beginning of the season with who? There was noone available then..noone now either heh.
Hey guys
Dropping by to say sorry about Knox. I like the guy, even if he is a Bear, and I wish him the best. That was a sickening injury. I really, really hope that it isn’t a permanent one, but it didn’t look good.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Seriously?
They’re 13-1, division champs and will have a 1st round bye in the playoffs. Nothing to be sorry about.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
It may be a blessing in disguise.
They needed a kick in the ass after a fairly average month. This may be the motivator that gets them back on track.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Like the, gulp comparison, '85 Bears.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yes, please.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Except didn't the Bears go to the playoffs in '84?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
The Packers went last year....lol
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
yep went to the NFC title game
Lost 23-0 @ SF
And gave us the idea for the Fridge-back.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Thank you for the kind words Pack fan. Admittedly I am glad the pack are no longer undefeated and that we don't have that pressure of trying to end it.
Good luck the rest of year aside from next week.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Can we just please agree to not have any injuries next week?
I think we’ve both had our fill.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Yes, most definitely.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'd settle for that.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
We agree on something other than the Vikings being steaming piles.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Also, the Lions are a walking bag of assholes.
At least half of the NFC North plays the game right.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Agree wholeheartedly. F-ing Suh
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We'll knock the LOLions out of the playoffs in Week 17.
If they aren’t out of the playoffs before then.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I like the guy
even though he sucks as a receiver. He seems like a good dude, and apparently is popular with teammates.
The report is, he can move his extremities, so shouldn’t be anything that serious.
That's good.
I hope he can recover soon. That looked truly scary, and I send along my best wishes for a quick recovery for Knox. I may be a Packers fan, but I still never want to see any Bears get injured, especially in that manner.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps we may hire Edgar Bennett as our O-coordinator for next year
Guy has got to have some coaching moxie to go fromNFL running back(We did have him here 1 year) to RB coach and now WR coach.
How can you be a Cubs AND a Packer fan?
I thought all Packer fans from Chicago are either at Cook County Hospital or also White Sox fans.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Dec 18, 2011 4:32 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
LOL
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Got your hockey and basketball priorities right.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
And baseball.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
FWIW,
I’ve been to two Cubs-Brewers games. One at Wrigley, one at Wrigley North (in Milwaukee).
Cubs have won both of those games, and I nearly snagged a home run in the aforementioned game at Wrigley (it was this past June).
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hahaha. I have been to a lot of Cubs games and one Brewers-Twins games (where I almost got to a foul ball near the announcing booths)
I once went to two Cubs-Marlins games in the same series (My dad and then one with my ma).
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Honestly, I've felt for a while that he was the best WR on the Bears.
I’m an outsider looking in, of course, but I felt like he’d thrive with a bit more playing time.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
He has the most catches and yards, but the BEST receiver on the team is Bennett.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ehh.....
Most productive, perhaps, but Earl Bennett is the consensus as far as best receiver on the Bears
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
best receiver on the Bears is the equivalent to being
the tallest midget
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And I swear if whomever the GM is, Jerry or otherwise, doesn't realize this and fails to sign a quality starting WR in the offseason
I don’t know what I’ll do
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
ACT A FOO!
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That'd be overkill
and it wouldn’t matter if they can’t fix the LT spot
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desperately need the help at WR though
and Carimi can play LT if he’s 100%
Bowe lacks motivation and Jackson would be too expensive for us to do it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So how about Vincent Jackson
And draft a very talented prospect to compete with Knox for the other job at recevier?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I am saying Jackson would be too expensive. SD would price us out of the market and we have too many needs to give him what he wants and help the other weaknesses.
Drafted talent would be better or a sign of trade of Bowe for Knox.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
sign and trade*
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
How would San Diego price us out of the market?
They don’t have the cap to do it. And V-Jax is an UFA after this season.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
They'd find a way with this managment.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
ok but we do need the help though
We have a franchise QB and we need a difference-maker in the WR spot.
or the top student
in a remedial English class
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That makes no sense
remedial English classes at Vandi are probably better than 60% of the regular classes at other schools
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He has the numbers
But he only seems to catch the ball when he’s completely wide open 30+ yards downfield AND when the QB manages to throw an accurate pass AND the QB was able to anticipate the poor route he would run.
He runs pretty bad routes, he falls down more than Tillman, he drops a couple passes a game, and he was fumbling right before he got hit today.
This team is just a disaster...
it’s not just losing a few star players that made this team crap, it’s the entire organizational philosophy of staying the course. The whole team just seems to have no mental edge or play with any sort of organized purpose. The worst part is that the Lovie will avoid any blame because of the loss of Cutler and Forte. Next year, we will witness yet another repeat of failed expectations because JA cannot draft well enough to provide depth and Lovie is bereft of any answers outside of play conservative defense and try to score on ST. Martz has proven he’s not the answer and for all the accolades Tice has as an O-line “guru”, this o-line is just awful. The Bears will not improve under JA/Lovie.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
I agree with most of this assessment
I went a bit overboard on Lovie out of anger in the 4Q open thread, but I still stand by my opinion that he’s a poor game manager, and I think he’s getting defended more than he deserves because of poor personnel and injuries.
The buck should stop at Lovie. If Martz is to blame, it’s on Lovie. If players aren’t developed properly, or make the same mistakes over and over, it’s on Lovie. When problems aren’t fixed, it’s Lovie. Lovie runs the show, he deserves his fair share of the blame.
I disagree about Tice though. I think he’s improved this line as much as he can despite injury and truly poor personnel. It’s a different case than Lovie… I think blame can be deflected from Tice because he’s working with a specific personnel group, therefore, his success lies more in his actual personnel and the health of those players than other coaches.
I don't see what you are seeing. The Bears have exceeded expectations every year, including this one under Lovie.
Martz had the Top 10 rushing offense and the 7th scoring offense….I don’t see your stance.
I would like a more adaptable approach though and Angelo is below average.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Right
If they had Forte and Cutler still we’d be looking at a 11-3 team with an almost guaranteed 5th seed spot and a legit chance at making a run in the P.O
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And that makes them underachievers?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well yes...
in the NFL wins and losses do actually count.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
They weren't expected to win with Hanie, so they achieved. Some magazines (Sporting News) picked us to be 8-8.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
quite a few people...
perhaps yourself, certainly myself, believed the Bears could play well enough with Hanie to eke out enough wins to make the playoffs. Hence the chatter about Cutler’s return for the playoffs. They failed to win even one game since Cutler was hurt. This was against arguably inferior opponents. Losing is not considered achievement in anyone’s mind; no matter how deranged. The Bears today were obviously outcoached…that’s on Lovie. How hard is that to see?
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
You missed the 2nd half...
when the Seahawks changed their offense and defense successfully, while Lovie failed to do so.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
no...
Pete Carroll was able to draw those up. Hence the outcoaching thing. Lovie was not able to draw up anything resembling success on either offense or defense.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Pete drew up Interceptions for 6? How is THAT good coaching?
“Alright guys, jump routes, break tackles and run it in for 6!”
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Perhaps you do not understand what coaches do...
they (Pete and co.) decided to drop more guys into coverage and play wide DEs to force Hanie to remain in the pocket. Thus, by doing so they coached their players into making good defensive plays. One of those was a pick 6…so yes Pete drew that up. Occasionally you will hear the announcers say things like “Lovie coaches his players to create turnovers”. It’s the hallmark of Lovie’s defense. It’s the fool me once shame on you…you know the rest.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
I expected a victory over the Chiefs and Broncos, but it is kind of hard if you have NOTHING to work with.
We also had Forte when those expectations were set. Marion Barber can’t carry the offense by himself, despite his best try. The fact remains that the team was poised to do much better than the national pundits thought until their best players went down.
No team can do what they are supposed to do with the loss of their best. Look at the Colts. They did not underachieve with the revised team.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So your agrument is...
Lovie would be a better coach if he had better players. I would say most coaches would have more success with better players. What would make Lovie a good coach would be winning a game or two without a few of his best players. Besides, JA is NOT the only guy drafting these players, Lovie is in on it too. Lovie has failed to coach his team to a win for the 4th consecutive week. One tough loss with a back-up QB is forgivable, but to continually have your players fail to execute on a consistent basis is the very definition of bad coaching. You can say losing is achieving, but that’s just wrong.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Do you expect ANY coach to win with two of their best players out of the line up and one of them being the QB and the other the RB?
I highly doubt it.
I don’t think it is bad coaching if you have to play minor league level players at the key positions on offense.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Lovie is just as responsible...
as JA in bringing these players in. Lovie has been here long enough to say he’s built this team. And yes, I do expect a coach to be able to win a game or 2 when they lose their star players. It’s what makes a coach a good coach…in fact, it’s the definition of a good coach. Take the Colts for example…Caldwell is a bad coach because he has failed to win without Manning. He should be fired. Yes it’s a sh!tty situation, but if you cannot overcome adversity once in a while, then you just aren’t very good.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
A coach can be great and have an MVP player that is the glue to an entire side of a team.
Would Holgren have won with the Pack without Favre or Bill Walsh without Montana?
How about Ditka without Payton?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah, that wasn't the point. We, including I, concede the inevitable win that is NFL parity.
The Colts won one in 14 so far, doesn’t necessarily say it works for teams in meaningful games trying to make the playoffs. It means it works once in fourteen tries.
I realize that
But the Chiefs definitely game to mind when you said it. We clearly need a better front office to not leave us basically crossing our fingers that nobody gets hurt year after year.
That said, I still think Lovie is an awful gameday coach.
I don't think Lovie is a great coach. I don't think he's even a good coach but he can't make chicken salad from chicken s#@&.
No one could win an nfl football game with Caleb Hanie.
A truly good coach
could have pulled at least one win out of this 4 week mess.
A coach that actually makes proper adjustments during the game.
Good coaches can’t win without good players, but good coaches CAN minimize damage when facing adversity.
Again, Hanie is throwing the interceptions that turn into points. Impossible situation for both sides that the coach minimized during this stretch.
Take the Oakland, KC and Den games.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
SO then continuing to play Hanie...
after many weeks of this bad play was whose idea????
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
What options would have? Immobile Enderle or McCown? Inexperienced Enderle or out of practice McCown?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He's thrown fewer pick 6 INTs than Hanie...
so it’s not that much better, but still better.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
He also threw one pick in his... first three plays?
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 18, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Lovie allows those interceptions
by watching 15 1/2 quarters of play out of his QB that include 2 good quarters, 8 1/2 atrocious quarters, and 5 simply bad quarters…
BEFORE deciding to make a change.
Even without those 2 pick-6’s the Bears lose today’s game by 10 points.
Face it, Pete outcoached Lovie. We saw him make adjustments in the 3rd quarter, and as usual, Lovie did not adjust to those adjustments, and the Bears got beaten.
Yet again, outcoached. John Fox outcoached Lovie last week. Lovie gets outcoached a lot.
Fox outcoached Lovie? Haha
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yep
He took what Lovie gave him in the 4th quarter.
Lovie outcoached him and simply two dumb mistakes cost us.
That and we played in Denver.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You don't get outcoached
when you come out with a win because you knew how to handle what the other coach GAVE you late in the game when you didn’t have much of a lead.
You don't get outcoached because a guy makes two 59 yard kicks AND because you were shut out for 57 minutes.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The Bears outcoached and out played them
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Then why did they lose?
Because Lovie decided to change the defense that worked for 55 minutes.
And because he put his RB in the position to make a costly error.
Because they gave up two 59 yard kicks...not gonna happen in Chicago.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
That's a silly excuse
for that loss.
Lovie lost that game for the Bears.
That is even sillier.
Bears loss because of those field goals.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Bears shouldn't have been in the position to lose
on account of a kicker.
The Bears should never be in that position then. You are just being ridiculous.
The Bears have to shut everyone out…
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Lovie coached that quarter poorly
And you know it. You don’t have to concede that Lovie needs to be fired or is the sole person to blame, but you can admit he coached that quarter badly.
Shutting 'em out for 12 minutes and giving up a grand total of ten points (one a 59 yard kick that is impossible outside of Denver) is terrible.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Losing a game you had in the bag
with minutes to go
on account of poor coaching decisions
is terrible.
What the Bears did for the first 90% of that game is irrelevant.
Again, the soft defense forced Denver to kick a 59 yarder...impossible elsewhere.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
again..
Change to who? The clown or the statue? lol
How did Hanie lose the Denver game?
Lovie LOST that game for the Bears by handing the ball off instead of kneeling it down and by playing a crap ass “Prevent Defense” with zones so soft even I could have led a game winning comeback.
They had to run it to get the clock completely down, or it would have been the same scenario anyway.
Way to exaggerate.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Exaggerating?
He handed the ball off in Denver territory when it could have been kneeled down to protect against a fumble.
Tebow would have had 20 seconds for the comeback.
We’ve been over this in a million threads since that game. The consensus is kneeling the ball out would have been the safer way to play it.
Still needed a first down to run the clock dead.
Not many teams will willingly concede to punt.
Anyway, carry on, this amuses me.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 18, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
I was talking about you leading a pro offense against the Bears.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well, of course
I’d get creamed on an NFL field.
Let’s say even Caleb Hanie could have led a comeback against that defense.
He'd have overthrown it or got picked.
The point is that the run was as safe as a kneel and the bears were trying to run the entire clock out.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
A run is never as safe as a kneel
I’ve never seen anything go wrong on a kneeldown. Have you?
I’ve seen things go wrong on runs. Haven’t you?
Why do teams run the ball in overtime
when in field goal position rather than kneel it?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Look, you're not going to convince me that
a run is safer than a kneel. It isn’t.
You’re not going to convince me that Lovie Smith deserves no blame for this horrible 4 game losing streak. He deserves as much as any other person in the organization, from the top to the bottom. In my opinion, he deserves more blame than anyone outside of maybe Angelo.
You are just being close-minded and ridiculous and perhaps running on emotion still.
He clearly is not close the second culprit
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I want a new coach
And I’ve wanted a new coach since the Bears took a crap after 06.
I like Lovie just fine, but I think he’s a bad game manager. I’ve said that even during high points in his tenure since 06. I’ve admitted his strengths, I know what I like about him, but I know what I dislike about him. He’s in charge of what has been a failure in ‘07, ’08, ’09 and ’11. I think he’s a bad game manager, and that’s my opinion from having watched every Bears game since he took over.
Wow, now I see that you are biased beyond reason.
Fire coach because of a SUPER BOWL loss?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
After the Super Bowl loss, yeah. The Super Bowl was in 07 btw.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
As in, the following season
was a joke. As has been every season since that, except for last season.
1/5 good seasons since losing a Super Bowl is not acceptable.
You realize you'd probably be saying the reverse if the Bears were 11-3.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Oh right, you don't take context into account either.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Context????
we had the #1 defense, he let the guy go, put his best buddy there, where was that defense rated 07-09????
The Bears were contenders in 08 til injuries and this year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
There's no excuse
in 08 or this year. Injuries or not. Like I said above, a truly good game managing coach, one capable of making adjustments, could have pulled one win out of this mess. Lovie was outcoached by a mile today, and Lovie gave away last week’s game. Lovie also had a poor gameplan going against Kansas City, and has allowed an awful QB to flounder for 15 1/2 quarters before making a move.
That’s not even to say another QB on the roster could do better. I’d rather see the coach try not to lose by doing something than keep trying the same thing that’s losing and lose in the process.
If Lovie had made any positive adjustments during this 4 weeks since Cutler was injured, I’d feel differently about him. But it’s the same old story. Lovie looks like a good coach when he has #1 defenses, young players, lack of injuries, when his kick returner is scoring TDs.
Lovie is exposed as an average or worse coach when his team has injuries or when other teams figure out how to beat him and make adjustments during the game.
No they couldn't. Give me proof of a team that lost its two best offensive players and gone on to win any games that mattered.
If not for a mental error that you cannot prevent, how was Lovie’s KC plan atrocious?
I don’t think you would change your opinion, it would probably be “Why didn’t he stick with a guy to have continuity. He changed too fast.”
Your comments about his appearances as a good coach or bad coach is the case for 100% of all the coaches that ever did coach…..He also coaches the defense so if he has a good D and wins, he did his job to the letter.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Plenty of coaches
are able to keep a team from losing EVERY game during a couple 4-6 week injuries.
It happens every week.
Want 2 precise examples?
Texas, this year.
Oakland, this year.
Both lost top 2 offensive players and didn’t manage to lose EVERY game afterward.
Texas best player is Arian Foster he was back before they lost their next two in Schaub and Andre Johnson.
Oakland lost their best player, but kept everyone else….
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Oakland lost their QB
and best player. Among other injuries. Close enough.
Texas has suffered offensive injuries all season.
Neither completely turned into garbage on account of injury.
Every week teams deal with injuries to top players.
Lovie Smith is exposed along with Jerry Angelo when injuries occur.
Their QB was not their first or second best player was he?
They had Michael Bush their second best and Palmer their third.
Oakland has turned into garbage since the Bears game.
The Texans always had Johnson, Schaub, Foster and/or Tate available in all the games this year….Not a good example.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Colts? Chiefs? '10 Dolphins? The list continues.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I answered your question
without even thinking.
It’s not hard to refrain from going on a 4 game losing streak after losing your top 2 offensive players.
Not really at all. Not even close to the case.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'm not sure
Pro-Football reference has a filter for “lists of 4 game stretches during which the team’s top 2 players were injured”
So I can’t answer your question exactly as you’d like.
But I know teams can win with injured players.
I know this one can’t, even when the games are close.
Hmm… I wonder why.
If Tom Brady and Wes Welker were both hurt
could the Pats win a game? No.
Could the Giants win without Eli and an assorted second best? No.
The Eagles lost without Vick and other assorted injuries…
Could the Colts win without Manning or Wayne? No way.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Montana Niners? How about the Marino Fins?
Perhaps Jake Plummer Broncos.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
And the Post-Dynasty Broncos in '00.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You're beginning to compare
apples to oranges.
Fact: Every year teams win despite injuries to top players.
How about the '10 Packers
Look that far to see a team winning in spite of injuries AND a direct example of Lovie being outcoached 2/3 games against the same team.
Rodgers and Jennings were not hurt.
And the Pack lost without Jennings this week.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'd rather face Cutler/Forte being out
than have to deal with as many injuries as they had last season. It was damn near 1/3 of the entire roster.
Also Forte hasn’t been out during this entire debacle of a losing streak.
Oh, he was out for 3/4 of it....Sorry.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He has had little to no impact on it
The numbers from Barber and Bell are not that much of a dropoff from how Forte played during most of the season. In fact, they’ve performed better than he did in a couple losses he was involved in.
Cutler is the biggest impact injury by far.
Forte was 50% of the offense and the second best player, no?
You also have to respect him, not so with Barber or Bell. He had as big an impact.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Check out how much of the offense
Bell and Barber combine for. You might be surprised.
And they’re doing it with teams not having to respect the pass.
Cutler is far and away the #1 reason for the 4 game loss. Even before Lovie (who should have pulled at least one win out). The Bears could win games without Forte.
Guess what, Forte could do that alone and we'd get the benefit of Barber and Bell in back up spots.
So you are saying that Forte, who knows how to line up out wide couldn’t line up for that TD pass against KC? Nor that his contribution plus Barber’s and Bell’s wouldn’t have put the Bears over the top in KC or DEN? Forte would have been toting the rock in the DEN game….that is two wins right there.
Also wasn’t Forte hurt at the START of the Oak game? He was out for all four.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No, he was out for all four. He was taken out of the Oakland game. Nice try.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No I am not. I am showing great teams with the great players going down and losing a LOT.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Losing all games after the injuries?
So you’re going to cherry pick historical examples that don’t compare?
It’s OK if I don’t answer PRECISELY as your question was worded, but you can take the liberty to make comparisons that aren’t good examples either?
The Niners lost the game Montana went out (which was a playoff game)
The Dolphins lost every game Marino was out in’ 94 or ’95 and lost in ’00.
The Broncos lost darn near every game that MATTERED in ’00 without TD and Elway.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So you've offered one example
And that’s The Marino Dolphins who were poorly built to rely solely on a QB. Not on a running game, and definitely not on a defense.
That’s a complete outlier, just like this year’s Colts. Those might even be the only 2 examples in the history of football in which a QB means THAT much to a team.
Because the other examples look horrible
A one game example and an “every game that mattered” example.
Look, this is going nowhere. Go ahead and try to tell me that teams don’t win with injured QBs, but it isn’t true.
I never said ALL TEAMS WITH INJURIES WIN, so giving me one or two examples of teams losing with injuries doesn’t really further your point.
But I can give you plenty of examples of teams winning with injured QBs, you just won’t accept them.
We disagree about whether or Lovie Smith is a good coach, and neither of us will be changing our minds.
Bernie Kosar of the Browns as well.
The point wasn’t injured QBs, it was the loss of the top two offensive players on a team. NO ONE can recover from that. Especially with a Pop Warner back up(s).
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
There's no way to look up
teams that have lost the loosely defined “top 2 offensive players” and then how they performed during a 4 game stretch.
All I can tell you is teams win in spite of injuries sometimes. And that teams might lose a lot of games during injuries, but they pull out games where they can, and it has to do with coaching as much as reserve personnel.
Why can’t we focus on something we agree on now instead. For example, I’m in the minority with you on McNabb. Shoulda picked him up, everybody criticizes him but hasn’t bothered to look at his numbers. Solid performance for a bad team, huge mistake not giving him a shot.
But enough arguing about Lovie and all. I’m going to watch the highlights on NBC now.
Top 2 would be the biggest contributor/most important to an offense.
Arian Foster and Andre Johnson are perfect examples. Tom Brady and Welker. Manning and Welker. Montana and Rice. Cutler and Forte. Marshall and Cutler.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Good, now I can move on.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Alright, at least we can agree on McNabb.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
My examples were way better than yours since neither addressed the loss of both top players at the same time and the fact that they were the top players on that O
Jason Campbell is probably worse than Palmer and Schaub was not even the second best player on that offense.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The Niners? They LOST the game that they lost Montana in. Also ended their dynasty.
Also, the Denver example.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
And he took us to the NFCCG...
Rivera has done what?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
he had the #1 defense
Are you kidding me???
San Diego made it to the Super Bowl?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
before lovie let him walk
we had the #1 defense in 05, and a great defense in 06, 07-09 the defense was crap. Whose fault was that??
And he helped the Super Chargers get to the Super Bowl when the D and ST were the weak points in the Playoffs.
The Bears have done better without him than he without us.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ah, but the kneel is safer and the team is going to win anyway....but....
Oh wait, the Bears were using that logic as well.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
The second offensive unit
Could definently be considered underachievers.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Dec 18, 2011 6:05 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Tice is a good O-line coach.
He’s working with what the Bears give him but he might not be back next season anyway. Angelo and Ruskell need to go, no way in hell should the McCaskey’s give the job to Ruskell if Angelo doesn’t return. Martz should stay another season with Jay being comfortable in the system and really playing great football before the injury. Lovie and Rod should stay, we have a good defense but need a few key players such as a very good CB. Hopefully Toub will stay. I’m hoping we hire a new GM who knows what he’s doing, sign a competent #2 QB and add some key components in the draft and FA and make a serious run at this next season.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 18, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Toub will be the richest ST coach in history before he leaves us, I agree with what you said.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Where is Tice expected to go?
And he has been delt a losing hand for an O-line in his first 2 years with the Bears. Best 2 O-lineman are on IR.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
He may be signed elsewhere for his work. Or as a Head coach
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He could easily be offered an OC job somewhere.
He was last season but stayed with us.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Dec 18, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't see that happening right now
Given that regardless of injuries, his O-line is rated as one of the worst in the NFL.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
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The Colts win, the Packers lose.. AND Darrius Heyward-Bey has a touchdown? What the hell is going on out there!
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Should have been fauxVince Lombardi....
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Time to shut Forte and Cutler down
Give the reins to Enderle. Hanie hasn’t shown anything, and he will be gone in the offseason, so there is no point in letting him play. No point in letting McCown play either.
Really NE?
Gonna let Tebow put 16 on you…
Denver is going to win the SB
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Well
Let’s not pretend the Patriots have a good run defense
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Stopping the run and forcing Tebow to make the plays is how you stop Denver
…until the 4th qtr that is.
New England has a defense?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Denver always plays the Patriots tough
And Brady has been terrible against the Broncos, only 1-5.
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My Obligatory Tebow comment:
Tebow is a really sweet guy and I don’t really care about him wearing his religion on his sleeve. He is a tough guy and a gamer,but the hype is killing me. He can be QB in this league, but only under certain obvious conditions:
Opposing run D must suck.
Bronco D must be lights out.
Opposing team must run a soft zone in 4Q.
Referees must not allow him to be touched.
I’m done with Tebow commenting FOREVER.
by NFCwoman on Dec 18, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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1st player I saw walk out of the locker room was Jay Cutler. He had nothing on his surgically repaired right thumb
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So what
Are the Bears really going to play him now that there is very little/no hope left this season? Or are they thinking it would be “better” to finish strong?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
NO? Idk?
Brad Briggs was just stating Cutler’s thumb is doing well… Jeez don’t shoot the messenger
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Well I'm glad to hear his thumb appears to be healing well
I’m just extremely suspicious right now. I apologize.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see this team finishing strong
They needed to be strong for these past 4 games, instead look what we got: 4 losses
That would be an astonishingly bad idea.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Perhaps he is insinuating that he could have played TODAY.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Why should they play him now,
And risk further injury to his thumb?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
And?
If anything, the Bears would be stupid to let Cutler play another game in a lost season.
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
jesus you guys are relentless
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Chill out
you quoted a tweet by someone else, and my comment was aimed at the tweet. Stop insinuating.
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Briggs was just commenting on the fact that his thumb is doing well
he said nothing about Cutler playing.
You sir, need to chill out
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So I don't know why you go so uptight about shooting the messenger
When I’m going at Biggs
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
cuz youre a silly goose
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Nah, I'm just mad right now
trying to funnel my anger somewhere lol
by Midway Bully on Dec 18, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
<3
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Same here broseph
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
No it's a salient point...
losing Cutler for the last 4 games shows how much he means to the team. pushing him back into the lineup in meaningless games would be pointless and unforgivably stupid.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
If the Lions lose today
then next week’s game is far from meaningless.
Partially correct
But, that is a BIG if at this point. Now if the Falcons somehow drop 2 games then I’d be more optimistic, and even then I don’t see that happening.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
It is, but
9-7 can still make the playoffs, and let’s not forget just yet that the 4 losses we saw did not include Jay Cutler, and that the potential of him coming back means a much different team than the one we just saw take 4 straight dumps… with Cutler, winning out is not laughable.
Clearly, this current Bears team can’t beat anyone, but a Cutler-led Bears team can make the playoffs.
I’m not expecting it, but management will have to take that into account if thinking about starting him, especially if the Lions lose today.
We better pray that the Seahawks can't keep pace
Now they own a tiebreaker over us. There are currently 3 teams with a 7-7 record who are still in the hunt: Bears, Seahawks, and Giants.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Do you honestly
think the Bears are in the hunt? I don’t see them winning another game without Cutler. They will without question lose to the Packers next week and it will all officially be over. They are simply playing out the string at this point; this is not a playoff team.
It's a playoff team with Cutler
and we know that because we saw it during the win streak. Cutler would have pulled out at LEAST 2 wins during these 4 losses, and probably 3. I think all the AFC West losses would have been wins with Cutler’s ability to move the football. Today’s loss I pin on Lovie and Hanie equally… I’m not sure Cutler could have overcome the inability of Lovie to make adjustments to his defense in the second half.
If the Lions hang on to lose today, the Bears just need 2 wins and a little help, and they’re a playoff team. The people running the team can’t just roll over because the team looked like crap without Cutler. If they can get him out there as long as they’re still in the playoff picture, they should do it.
Its the same Bears team
Its not just a lack of “making adjustments”. They would have been made if they could have. Lovie isn’t very good, but this is simply a bad team.
Here is the deal: The Bears have depth issues, this was repeated over and over again. The Bears have a terrible godawful offensive line… it was a miracle last year that they had no injuries. Many people saw this coming. There was no way they were getting away with it two years in a row.
Obviously, it shows how much of a magician Cutler is. This team was all smoke and mirrors.
Earl Bennent, the same guy we just signed to 9 million a year has only had THREE catches in THREE GAMES.
This is why I go into the season not expecting anything from the team. They disappoint almost every year.
4 years 18 million is not 9 million a year.
How do they disappoint every year when they have gone deep in the playoffs and/or perform to expectations.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I thought it was 9, thankfully that isn't that bad
First of all, they haven’t “gone deep” all that often. Do you remember how bad this team was for years? Things haven’t really gotten all that better.
How good is a team when it completely falls apart with the loss of one player? That is a team with zero depth. The dreaded Packers had 9 players out all year last year.
Like I said, you cannot pretend that things were all great before when Cutler was playing. This team was a ticking timebomb. They got lucky as hell last year. They didn’t have a significant injury until the last game and we saw what happened then. Its not like the depth issues were not pointed out before.
People got really pissed off when people suggested this was a .500 team this year, but it looks like they were right.
Well it was logical to assume the Lovie era when talking about "this team".
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
yes...
and like I said, things haven’t gotten much better under him. I guess our standards are different. If we are talking about the “Lovie era”, two playoff appearances isn’t enough. Obviously, its more on Angelo, but Lovie still carries lots of fault as well.
For instance: How the hell did this team go this long without ever realizing how bad Hanie is? Were they not giving him any reps in practice?
Well, my term "gone deep" applies. When they make it, they get to at least the CCG on average and never have been a Wild Card.
The Bears have gone three times and had a chance for 5 in seven years.
Practice is not a good barometer and you know it; although Martz had a hint.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Martz did have a hint
And Hanie isn’t close to being serviceable as a number two. This should have been picked up somewhere. Its not like he was signed this year.
With your playoff argument, they wouldn’t have won the division last year if it were not for the Packers injuries. Its pretty hard for me to believe that they would have won the division over the SB champs. I hate the Packers, but they are very good and were last year.
True
Well, and this isn’t exactly the same thing, but the Bears could very well have gone the wild card route to the NFCCG since they beat ATL this year with the same rosters.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Also, the Packers never had Jennings (and we see now they struggle without him) and Rodgers out last year
The Bears were not a .500 team if Cutler had stayed healthy let alone Cutler and Forte.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You are probably right about that
But how could you expect Cutler not to go down with how bad the line is and how the Martz system is run? Again, this was bound to happen. I had a very strong feeling that Cutler was not going to make it this entire season and I was far from the only one.
As for the Packers, 9 players is pretty damn significant for any team. But obviously the Packers had enough depth to survive something like that. That is an extreme example though, most teams could not survive that.
The thing is the Cutler injury was independent of the OLine
but on an INT.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Pretty sure he hurt it earlier that game but reinjured it worse on that INT
He was getting killed all year though, they were the worst in sacks allowed last year. I am not sure where they are this year but it has to be close.
But we are going back and forth. I get what you are trying to say, and I do agree that things would be better if Jay was still playing.
My main point is: The lack of depth was still an issue when Cutler was playing and the injury was coming at some point this year. Its the same team at the end of the day, Jay and Forter are just a very big bandaid.
This was a playoff team for sure and a threat to Green Bay until Cutler went down.
I don’t even consider Cutler an elite quarterback like most do here. They’ve shown enough depth at other positions when someone went down or underperformed but for some reason completely whiffed on the backup qb. This was a case of a GM rolling the dice that Jay would stay healthy or completely misjudged his talent.
Oh wait, I forgot to include EB's signing bonus:
The Bears have retained one of its key players before he became a free agent, signing Earl Bennett to a four-year, $18 million contract that includes $9 million in guarantees.
Bennett has just 18 catches this season. But the Bears admire what the former third-round pick brings to the table, in terms of his attitude, his toughness and his obvious chemistry with former Vanderbilt teammate Jay Cutler.
I knew that number was coming from somewhere.
The 9 million is inside that 18 million dollar figure
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So he gets 9 mill no matter what correct?
We know how football contracts work (they are ruthless), players can be cut and lose lots of money
As for general structure in the signing, $6 million is structured as a signing bonus paid to Bennett up-front, with $1.2 million of that counting against the team salary cap this season. Here is the year-by-year break down:
2012: $1 million fully guaranteed base salary with a $500,000 roster bonus payable in March and a $100,000 workout bonus.
2013: $2.25 million base salary ($1.5 million guaranteed) and a $100,000 workout bonus.
2014: $2.35 million base salary and a $100,000 workout bonus
2015: $2 million base salary and a $100,000 workout bonus.
That means they already paid Bennett 6 million of the 9 guaranteed now and are only on the hook for 3 million, if they cut him, for the next four years.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
JUST FIRE JERRY ANGELO!
"Most important thought, if you love someone, tell him or her, for you never know what tomorrow may have in store." ~ The Great Walter J. Payton.
Without Cutler
The Bears end up 7-9. Let Cutler, Forte and the other injured players heal for next year. Replace Angelo with someone who can actually build a whole team, one with an offense and defense. The Bears need more Carimi level O-linemen, we need a top notch safety, and Urlacher’s heir.
Urlacher shaved all his "heir" off.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Can we please stop with this overreacting BS of fire this one or fire that one . Any team that ....
…. has a starting QB go down would go through the same issues we are ( look at the Colts ) . And honestly our depth is pretty darn good . Our D-line is deep and rich with young talent , Our LB’s are a bit thin but Lach & Briggs can still play and are rarly injured , the corners are a bit shakey but still have solid depth , our safeties are thin plain and simple , our O-line is in good shape for next season , our RB depth is great , QB depth will get taken care of ( we all thought Hanie would do better when called apon ) , the TE’s are good fits for the system and we have good depth there as well & our WR’s could use some help . Overall we really just need depth at a few positions .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
You've lost your starting QB twice in one calendar year
And it cost you a playoffs birth and very well a SB appearance. When you have backups on your roster that aren’t even NFL talent it’s a problem. Caleb was undrafted, Webb was a 7th rounder, Louis was a 6th rounder I believe. Williams was a medical red flag, Carimi was a medical red flag. Bennett was red shirted, Paea for a good part of the year was redshirted…
JA didn’t draft Urlacher, Cutler, or Peppers and the only reason Peppers is here is because unfortunately Gaines Adams died. JA gave a 2nd round pick to TB for Adams in a year where he had no 1st rounders. I won’t even get into the Iglesisas’ and Okwos of the world. Do you see a trend here? You have a 5 year span where no one was developed and most of these picks are out the league. These are your bench players and guys that would be playing right now. Well guess what’s biting the Bears in the butt right now? Lack of quality depth.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
How do you move on from 2011 ? You just move on with a quest to win !
Roster worked when heathy and failed terribly when injuries occurred. This is a 12 and 4 team that will finish the year at .500 !
(1) Hanie is not an NFL QB ! Go get a capable back-up, not need to be great but just needs to be NFL capable. Jerry, if you keep telling us he is, then FIRE yourself. He stinks and should be gone. Gone ! And, if you want to make this PSL Club Seat Season Ticket holder feel better, you should cut him on Monday. Gone !! Never, ever, ever, ever play him again. Gone !!!
(2) Sign Forte now ! Jerry, you got nothing else to do the next few weeks — So just stop messing around and get it done.
(3) Fill in those missing pieces. Be prepared to draft a safety, corner-back, wide receiver and offensive lineman or prepared to get them in free agency.
(4) The only person I want to hear from is Cutler — Jay, resign Martz or let him walk ? The only reason to keep him would be if Jay feels good with him. I could not care the least what Lovie wants — Lovie just sssssshhhhh !!!
I love the Bears and willing to forgive this past four weeks if it appears that we will learn from such an experience.
Go Bears !
Won't matter, Martz wants out.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He's been saying over and over he wants to stay in Chicago
So idk where you’re getting he wants out
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He declined an extension (granted it was without a raise) and he has been connected to college jobs.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
But yet
He has said over and over in interviews he wants to stay with the Bears
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He sort of has to say that...he is employed by them now and it is during the season.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No he doesn't
he could say something like… “I’m not going to worry about that until the end of the season. Right now I’m a Bear and that’s all that matters”
Not “No. i want to be a Bear. I want to be in Chicago” blah blah blah.
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This isn't a bit suspicious?
“Anything about those kinds of things I would never discuss,” Martz said after practice on Wednesday. "I have a job. This job is the only one I can discuss. I appreciate what you are saying, but it would just be very inappropriate for me to talk about anything like that. I appreciate it, thank you.
“This is the only job I would discuss, ever, the one I have. I think you all can appreciate that about your jobs too. If the shoe was on the other foot, I think you’d probably feel the same way, wouldn’t you?”
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
There's nothing there that says "Hey i want out of Chicago"
you basically proved my point
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No, that is quite the contrary. It proves mine.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
ur dumb
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How? Because it proves that he wouldn't talk about any job status like you said he would
and that it deflects the question.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Umm SMD your beatin your head aginest ...
… a wall that doesn’t bring reason to the table . My advice is leave him and his issues alone and let him think hes right when its really more like this ….. You know your right , I know your right & most every other poster here knows your right only one guy ( whom thinks hes never wrong ) thinks your wrong .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
What are you talking about? He never said anything about wanting to stay here in my quotes so how was HE right?
Once UPON a time, you sounded smart.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Dude wrap your head around it ........ your wrong . The ....
…. reason Martz ain’t comin right out and sayin hey I wanna stay is that would remove his only bargaining chip from the table . The threat of him leaving is the only thing he can bring to the table during contract talks . You gotta learn to read between the lines a bit man .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
He is not signed beyond this year and the bears have the 7th scoring offense. That is the bargaining chip.
They could care less if they didn’t have that ranking.
“I am going to USC to coach”
“Oh, you had the 20th scoring offense, we could careless.”
You don’t get the concept of negotiation do you?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah I am pretty sure he's found a way
to argue with every comment I’ve posted
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Ummm I've kinda noticed that as well . You may have ....
…. a stalker there homie !
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
""───(knee)───►
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I would say no, but that would be arguing with you. Sort of a paradox.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
This response speaks volumes .....
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well it is typed so it doesn't speak.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Stalker ..... your living up to your title .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
My title is stalker? I believe it is Shuggs.
I also thought that supposed applied to SMD and not you…..I forgot logic and common sense is not your strong suit.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
supposedly*
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Says the man who disagrees with everything ......
…… And yes you have been officially dubbed a Stalker thus making it your title . Shuggs is your screen name & Stalker is your title big difference .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
See the paradox is you say I disagree with everything when I don't and I provided an example.
I agreed with you even though it was inaccurate. Kind of puts your statement down the sh***er.
Thank you, but I dub what my nickname is. My screenname also doubles as a nickname/title.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Sorry wrong again . Your screen name ....
….. you have a chioce in . Your title is earned .
And the proof is all over this thread man so theres no need to provide an example when your just gonna do it for me .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Nowhere does the official definition say it must be given by someone else
a descriptive or distinctive appellation, especially one belonging to a person by right of rank, office, attainment, etc.: the title of Lord Mayor
Therefore, I can either accept the one people (one person) bestows UPON (not apon) me, or I can decide my title for myself.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Live in denial then pal ....
… but every time you post your living up to the title of Stalker .
Definition of a Stalker : A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention……. Funny thats what you’ve been doing to myself and SMD and all your respones back prove it even further .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome because I am the one that was harassed first.
“the defending of a cause or the like by speech, argument, etc.”
“resistance against attack; protection”
I’d say you are stalking me, by not leaving me be.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I was defending myself, in other words.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Further proof ......
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
That you are stalker? I know. I mean, you didn't have to respond to that, but you continually to obsessively harass me.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Keep it up ....... Stalker .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Keep on keeping on stalker.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You really do live in denial ehhh ? ...... Stalker .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Did I deny something with that previous statement? Stalker.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ok there pal .....
…. I’m done with this little game . Your a bonified Stalker & all your denials just further prove this fact .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
that would hurt #6, looked like he was on a roll in that offense
Unless Tice is staying in 12
Sign Forte Now? Lets wait till we see how he recovers first.
Why would you sign an injured Running Back? I don’t feel bad for Forte, he was offered 23.5 million and refused to sign. He is good, but not the best.
As for the rest of the post, I guess if that is what you have to tell yourself than fine. But did you see our defense today? They are old. They gave up lots of points to a really bad team. They lost to KC. They lost to Oakland. This team needs to rebuild. Which is fine. Blow it up and hope that we can get something together before Cutler retires. We very well might have lost Knox today.
The offensive line is still the worst in the league. That alone is going to prevent the Bears from winning the whole shebang.
Ehh....21 points considering the short field that our D once again was forced to protect?
Caleb Hanie contributed quite well to the Seahawks today.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
In other news
I am incredibly amazing at everything and am so awesome not even I can handle myself sometimes
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wtach out for an arrow-to-the-knee related injury.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
As long as no one steals my sweet roll I'm good.
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Sorry Roy, Hanie just sucks
skjensen Sean Jensen
#Bears WR Roy Williams — unconvincingly — accepted responsibility for the two interceptions intended for him, including a pick 6.
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he is just pissed that another bad QB kept him out of the playoffs and got him cut.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Roy Williams is the best run blocker the Bears have at WR
if he’s done anything right, it’s that
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Peetie needs grammar check
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Such a cool day of football for us in chicago! It’s now how you start… It’s how you finish!!!
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Pete is a pile of dung.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Lovie needs a coaching check
Dude looked overwhelmed in the 2nd half.
Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan
by Fearless Frog on Dec 18, 2011 7:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah I knew somebody would end the streak
Thought it would have to be us though.
It would have been great to be us
But dont think it was to be us or the lions
so thank the Chiefs
BEAR DOWN
For the guys on the fence about Martz returning and wanting Cutler's opinion to settle it, here is the smoking gun:
“I don’t want to learn a new system, I know that,” Cutler said Wednesday on “The Waddle & Silvy Show” on ESPN 1000. "We have a good thing going here, but Mike’s going to do whatever is best for Mike. This is a business, and this is how it goes. And I think everyone involved realizes that, so we’ll see what happens.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He clearly wants Martz back
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Which would mean the FO should try to keep him by giving him a raise, but that he could very well be leaving. It also means he is doing better than most people think.
Also exposes the misconception that Cutler hates Martz.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
That's a bit too binary...
I think he chose his words very carefully. It’s not that he loves Martz or his system, just simply that he wants stability/lack of change. That said, it would be too much, IMO, to bring in another OC and expect any real improvement. This team is going to waste some of the best talent it has acquired in almost 20 years…what a joke.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
They sign this great QB, but do not protect him
and do not give him any very good targets. Only the Bears… hey at least Jay brings assess into the seats. Still one of the toughest tickets in sports
He never said he wanted Mike back
He just said he wants the system back
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Great and Martz is the only one that runs the system that is active in the NFL. Unless you want Terry Shea back.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Actually there are many people who run variants of this system
Todd Haley for example runs a variant.
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A variant. How close to it is the actual offense?
It is sort of like the Cover 2. The Pack, Vikings, Colts, Bears, Bucs, etc. all ran the Cover 2 a fews years back, but all were vastly different.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Doesn't matter
It’s the same “system” , but different “lingo”
Al Saunders runs this system. Todd Haley. Cam Cameron. Norv Turner. Tom Moore
All run this same system. Same System, but they each have their own small differences
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Every disciple of Coryell runs the same offense then.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yes. Same system, with their own little twists on them
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Then it isn't the same system.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Jesus Christ
I’m done
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Come on man , really ? Shuggs you gotta chill out a bit .....
…… with all this stuff man . If SMD says the sky is blue your sayin its not its navy .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
it's cuz i'm black
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And "cuz" I am half-hispanic. It is the proverbial war of the races.... *rolls eyes*
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Meet me at KFC, it's goin down
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Be there in 5.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Agreed .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
The color varies actually. ;)
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Thats all well and good, but this system isn't working
And Cutler isn’t going to trash the guy on the air. The team is most successful when they are not running the Martz system. He just isn’t very good (Martz).
I say let's get to 7-9 and get a nice draft pick DE or OLineman
I thought we had no shot of making the playoffs once cutty and forte went down. SMD and I have been saying Hanie sucks for two years. It is a shame that this team was headed for a showdown with the Pack in the playoffs and got derailed. Today was a seocnd half defense giving up since they know the offense just can’t score. No effort after halftime.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Remember when people were saying "Sanzenwaddle" was the next Wes Welker??
And how idiotic they sounded?
Sanzenbacher hasn’t caught a ball since the TB game.
Now, they are saying Knox is having surgery tomorrow and his career is in jeopardy. I don’t give two shits about him playing ever again, I just want him to be able to walk again.
Yeah, it was dumb.
Yeah, that is the truth.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Right Knox isn't my favorite player
by far one of my least, but he’s a human being and I want him to get through this and I hope the best for him, and his family
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Martzfense with backup QBs
Wasn’t the 2000 Rams supposed to have started the season with Trent Green as their starting QB? After he went down with a season ending injury in the pre-season, everyone figured it was gonna be tough in St. Louis. Who knew it would be backup Kurt Warner leading the soon to be named “Greatest show on turf” Martzfense the very same season? Nobody could have seen that coming, especially since Warner’s previous experience was arena football. Hanie has not shown improvement in any games this year.
Kurt Warner also had a great receiving corps to work with in addition to a solid O-line and a HOF RB named Faulk.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
He still had to grasp the system and Hanie has been in the system for 2 years
As much as Cutler was making this Offense go, Hanie could have done a better job of managing these games instead of being such a momentum killer. That’s My point
But of course
Caleb Hanie is just not an NFL caliber QB at all. I’m just making it clear that Kurt Warner didn’t just come out of nowhere and have a HOF career.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well he did. He was an Arena QB and grocery bagger.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Considering Warner was undrafted and subsequently released by Green Bay
You could say he was mostly an unkown until ‘98. I do agree with you Hanie just isn’t an answer at all for a backup…on any NFL team
Point is that St. Louis had a much more solid squad
St. Louis was far far better than this Bears team. That is Erik’s point.
Martz system worked great with that team, only because they were that talented. Martz has many more failures than successes.
Just out of curiosity
Who was the one that made all the draft choices with the Rams during the late 1990’s- early 2000’s?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
I did
It was me.
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The important question is the Mid-90s when they had Isaac Bruce and Jerome Bettis.
Interesting fact is that Martz was the receivers coach that developed Isaac Bruce.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well...okay
How about who was responsible for the construction of the Greatest Show on Turf?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Martz then. He developed Bruce and later Holt.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Who made the draft picks, though?
Thats who I’m wanting to know. If anyone outside of the organization needs to be considered for a potential change of the guard at GM and/or Team Pres., then its whomever it was that made the draft picks for Martz, because they know exactly what Martz needs in terms of offense.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think it was Jay Zygmunt for the majority of the deals besides maybe Bruce
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Is he still around the league by chance?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
Not since he resigned in 08 because of terrible management.
Has connections to martz and lovie though
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well that is dissapointing :/
I thought for sure he could take over and fix everything with the Bears given both Martz and Lovie benifited from his services while with the Rams.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking if anyone could be a logical choice outside the organization in case Jerry does indeed get fired
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
It could have been him.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
'99 Rams, a different era.
Also, Warner had 4000 yards and 41 TDs in ’01. Ever see Hanie doing that?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
i think that was kinda his point
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I was responding to Bear 72
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
yet again
that was his point
that Hanie sucks
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He never said anything like that.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well here it is:
Johnny Knox to have surgery tomorrow. His season is done.
Chicago Bears wide receiver Johnny Knox will undergo back surgery Monday to stabilize vertebrae in his back, the team announced.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 6:16 PM CST reply actions
Career very well may be done
It was pretty obvious the season was done. I thought he was paralyzed. He very well could have died today. I will keep him in my thoughts, He has a family and I could care less if he plays football again. He always seemed like a good guy.
This is a very dangerous game, these guys are risking their lives.
Spinal injuries are serious business.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 18, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
^ This
People can die from this.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
still upset I talked shit about Tebow last week huh?
You are a 13 year old, unable to accept that someone talked shit about your hero.Tebow is still a major douchebag and he is still mechanically terrible and will not be a good QB. Furthermore, his proselytizing has no place in sports whatsoever.
I am not going to apologize for being concerned over a human being.
Here is a story about Erik LeGrand a football player that was paralyzed and came back. I suggest you watch it as you obviously do not realize just how serious the situation that Knox is in:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/paralyzed-football-players-comeback-14839235
Here is a video about a player who was paralyzed in HS and came back 10 years later:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W542nbjiwS8
Hopefully these two videos will give you enough time to realize that not everybody is going to like a controversial figure like Tebow. After you realize this than you will hopefully realize that trying to insult me on an internet blog isn’t going to change my feelings about him.
Congrats on coming off as an asshole though!
Woah chill out bro
We all Fam here Cuzzo
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Actually mick11 has gotten himself banned on other sb blogs
Frankly, I don’t care what he thinks. He got upset after the post game last week and I said some things about Tim Tebow. He then threw a hissy fit like a 10 year old and replied to several of my comments I made on WGC with completely unrelated crappy attempts to insult me.
He is not my fam.
<3
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Lets just not let this doesn't turn into a war zone
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
too late
""───(knee)───►
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Best idea yet .....
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Tragically that could very well be the case
I don’t know of any receiver ever having an opperation needed on their vertebrae and ever come back from it. A very sad day, this is.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
There was that Bills player Kevin Everette. Don't know if he ever played ball again. But he was actually paralyzed.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Tone down...
the melodrama. Yes, it is serious and yes, it is paramount that Knox focus on his rehab before he considers his future. I too wish him and his family the best, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Bears are now lacking 2 WRs on a corps that is marginal at best.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Where exactly has it been said his career is in peril ? All I've seen is positive things .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
The fact he needs back surgery to stablize vertabre. Logic would tell you that threatens a career.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Logic ... or this .....
According to the Bears, the long-term prognosis is positive for the third-year wideout from Abilene Christian.
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
May we all agree to pray for his future
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Does that say he is going to come back? That confirms nothing, they could by talking about his career or life.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Lets get you some definitions here pal .....
….. pos·i·tive – A good, affirmative, or constructive quality or attribute . Now lets see did they use that word , yes . OK so you want them to out right say his career is OK ……
He has a “positive prognosis for his career and quality of life,” according to the BearsLINK
Or maybe you prefer the more direct answer …..
The Bears said the injury is not career-threateningLINK
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Alright
How about the 3 of us all agree to pray for the best in terms of Johnny Knox’s situation?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
It did not say that in the your link or the quote. Next time find that first. Also, look further down and you will see a comment where I mention
that the guy who linked to it properly did a good job. Nice try and thanks for playing…..PAL.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You were wrong and its been proven and you still can't admit it . You gotta ....
…. learn that you ain’t always right .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Can we all please just stop the fighting?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
You know generally that would be perfectly fine , but dude has an ....
…. issue with being wrong and admitting it . You prove him wrong and he comes back with some junk .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
YOUR......POST....DIDN'T MENTION THE QUOTE you gave.
How is this:
According to the Bears, the long-term prognosis is positive for the third-year wideout from Abilene Christian.
the same as this:
He has a "positive prognosis for his career and quality of life," according to the Bears
Isn’t is preferred over ain’t. The latter makes you seem less intelligent.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So it makes me seem like you ..... got it .
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
If you weren't a dumbass about it, you'd have seen that lower in the comments section
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Please stop it
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yup , you got it . Only out of respect to you and others here .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Aww resorting to name calling ......
…… Stay Classy pal .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say you ARE something, just said you were ACTING like something.
Thank you, stalker, stay classless
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
More class .......
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
School is almost in session and you need to get some class.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Like I said above , I'm done with you and all your idiocy .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Thank goodness, your hypocritical attitude and annoying comments are done.
Thanks for the name calling and I hope you shake out of your hypocritical denial. Post Predator.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You just summed up yourself there pal , thanks for saving me the time .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Its the type, location, and caliber of his injury that could indicate his injury is career threatening
He must have surgery on the middle section of his back to stabilize his vertebrae. Once the vertebrae is damaged it is never healed 100%. Any more large amounts of stress emitted onto his vertebrae can not only damage it further, it can lead to him being paralyzed if not worse.
Nothing is written in stone with regards to his future, but his future outlook is cloudy at best.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
"stabilize his vertebrae"
is enough to scare me to death. I don’t think he should consider going near a football field any time soon. I was shocked to see that the Bears think his career could resume.
I will keep him in my thoughts,
And send him best wishes for a quick recovery.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
All this talk about Tebow
How about John Skelton?!? He’s looked great
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Some good news about Knox:
CHICAGO- Bears receiver Johnny Knox will have surgery to stabilize a vetebra in his lowerto mid-back after being taken from the field on a cart in the opening minutes of Sunday’s 38-14 loss to the Seattle Seahawks.
He has a “positive prognosis for his career and quality of life,” according to the Bears. The surgery is scheduled for Monday.
“He has total movement throughout his body, has total use of all his extremities, which is good,” coach Lovie Smith said. “We’re doing tests right now. He has total movement. He’s not paralyzed or anything.”
At the same time it shows just how serious of a situation this is. After seeing a teammate getting seriously injured playing hockey years ago I realized just how scary this can be for his loved ones and himself. I will keep him and his family in my thoughts.
Alright, a better source than the other one. This one mentions career.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Pack could be out 2 starting linemen
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Uh-oh: Packers rookie OL Derek Sherrod suffered a broken leg, OT Bryan Bulaga suffered a knee sprain and will undergo an MRI on Monday.
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And the Bears...
will still give up 35+ points and get no sacks…playing conservative cover-who and “not giving up the big play”, just tons of points.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
lololol
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It is just so damn frustrating...
to watch this defense AND offense play so badly after starting out so well. They even had ME convinced that they could make some noise in the playoffs. But how many more near misses does it take to just say the Lovie way just doesn’t work. It’s not bad, but it’s not good either.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
The worst indictment of the "Lovie Way" was when
Seattle came out after half and just owned us with their adjustments. Granted, 14 of their 31 points were touchdowns from Caleb Hanie………but they still steamrolled us. I don’t like Pete Carroll but I have to give him credit for a superior plan in the second half.
You know what?
Forget the rest of the season. Lets focus on getting a win against the Packers. As long as we get a win against the Packers, this season can be called a “success”.
Forget the Playoffs. Forget the draft and its positioning in regards to the Bears and their order. Forget about all that stuff. If Jay Cutler wants to play, let him play and get some rust off him as well as some potential momentum for next season. This, Bears Fans, is Packers week. I will understand if I’m the only one who feels this way, but to hell with everything else. Lets shread some f*cking cheese!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry ECD...
but JA and Lovie have been saying this since they got here. They have a SB loss and NFC CG appearance and some very forgettable seasons mixed in for all that hype. It’s like dry humping the prom queen. Not the worst thing you can do, but such a let down!
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Ehh...no getting out of this one
I still feel a win against the Packers is much needed, regardless of how our season has turned out.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
About the backup position
The decision to keep Hanie at backup was pretty much well accepted until he actually had to step up. There’s a lot to blame on JA about how this season went (no WRs, bad o-line), and Martz (refuse to adapt the scheme to the underqualified personnel and his playcalling going from acceptable to what-the-hell-are-you-thinking), but signing a backup QB would be immediately denounced as a waste of money and the guy the new Todd Collins. If he stunk up in the same situation, most of us (including me) would be asking why isn’t Hanie behind center, after a decent showing in the NFCC. They actually did what most of us wanted.
As for Knox, I hope the best for him. If he can’t play anymore, the Bears better honor his contract, but if he returns, I’d rather see that happening on another team.
There are two reason's the Bears can't get a quality backup QB
1.) What QB who’s good enough to start wants to play behind Cutler? He’s the starter here.
2.) Getting a quality backup means drafting and developing one. Since JA hasn’t proven the ability to develop anyone, that’s a hard thing to do.The reason why the Eagles, Pats, and GB can have quality backups is because they have smart offensive minds that know what to look for. These smart people also know that even if who have an elite QB, you never stop looking for the next best QB because even if you develop him, you can TRADE him.
When you draft from a position of strength it allows you to always have a trade chip that can be used to make the overall team better. Too bad it takes a smart GM to realize that.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Uhm I'd take the Eagles off that list amigo
IIRC Vince Young was neither their draft pick, or a good back-up QB while with the Eagles…
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
So you don't count drafting Kolb and getting a boat load
of picks for him? Because see that’s my point. When you have a starter in place, you can do what the Eagles have done and the Pack did in the 90s with Hasselback, Aaron Brooks and what the Pats did with Cassel. You have to have the ability to develop the backup QB position
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Ehh...I'd use the Packers as the best example
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 18, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
The Pack had an insane resume.
Brooks, Hassellback, Rodgers, etc.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well thats the season folks
We may still be mathematically alive, but as far as I’m concerned there is no reason to torture myself about whether they will make it in. I will always be a Bears fan no matter what the weather but the performances have been progressively worse each week. At least the other three games post-Cutler injuries they kept the margin close. The Bears seem like they have given up on the season so yeah… basically I’m past the stage of frustration and just accepting this for what it is. I will be ecstatic if we can beat the Pack no matter what and same with the Vikes. And Dils you are right on about the backup quarterback situation, we need to have a better talent evaluator for our quarterbacks and wide receviers in place.
48 minutes of intensity
I might as well let it go myself.
Some crazy things would have to happen for the Bears to get in the postseason anyway. They would have to win the last two and depend on other teams either winning or losing. Even with the injuries there were games that still were winnable. If they beat Green Bay it probably would just upset me more. What good does it do to show up and beat GB when they failed to show up when it mattered. Oh well! I guess I’ll turn my attention to the Bulls.
by Madd Scientist on Dec 18, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
This season is somewhat reminiscent of the 1989 Bears.
That team just like this current team came off an NFC title game appearance the previous season. Both teams started off well but then the wheels fell off. The only differences is that the 89’ team wasn’t hit by injuries and plus they had Da Coach. At least that coach had a Super Bowl ring to show for his time in Chicago and had a clue as to what was going on. Lovie looks as if he has no clue. Just look at him on the sideline. Lovie needs to take that Cover Who defense and shove it! His arrogant, smug friend Mike Martz can take the Poorest Show on Turf and shove it! And Angelo needs to be shown the door because of his poor drafts and lousy talent evaluation on offense. That’s the same reason Tampa Bay got rid of him.
I aint gunna throw any excuses for Hanie. He is shi*.
In the words of Greenberg, “He is the QB, and this is the NFL.”
Skelton & Yates >>>>>> Hanie
The offseason template
1. George McCaskey grows a pair and acts like a real leader instead of the latest assclown of the lucky sperm club that is Ed and Virginia McCaskey’s brood.
2. Fire Sweaty Teddy Phillips, Jerry Angelo and this Tim Friggin Ruskell
3. Encourage Mike Martz to go the collegiate route, to the point of driving him to campus tours
4. Hire a geniune football czar with penultimate authority (this generation’s Ron Wolf or Jim Finks)
5. Hope like hell the franchise Jay Cutler heals
6. Learn how to D.R.A.F.T.
7. Cut Roy Williams
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
There are flaws in your plan . Jay wants Martz back ....
….. & there are very few football czars around . JA deserves credit for bringing Jay & Peppers here , but his drafts have been a bit weak ( minus this years with Gabe , Paea & Conte ) .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 18, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Kyle Orton throws for 299 and beats Green Bay after you boneheads pass him up for the junk you have.
Tough news about Knox though, never like to see that.
Pass him up?
Chiefs were ahead of us in the waiver positions. Why we hadn’t started the conversation with Denver to see if we could get him back for a late round pick is beyond me though.
The Bears did claim him.
Kansas City was higher up in waiver priority, and even if they hadn’t, Dallas had a claim in, and they’re higher up than we were.
So, um, enjoy being wrong in your taunt?
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 18, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
The Bears probably would have taken Orton
Had he fallen to them. But, then again, we shouldn’t confuse you with the facts.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 18, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Does that mean ur1337 owes you $10?
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 19, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
Lol what an Ill-Informed moron
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