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The Silver Lining in a Lost Season

Our season is all but lost, but I think that rather than wallow in the sadness and despair of injuries, poor quarterback play and lost opportunities, as some members here seem to like to do :) I thought I would look for some positives that will come out of this season and sustain us through the offseason and being lots and lots of hope for 2012. I will give a nod to the most famous alum of my alma mater, David Letterman, with a Top 5 Reasons Not To Cry After the 2011 Chicago Bears Season....

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5) Health. Obviously, this is an easy one. Next year we'll get Cutler back, as well as Forte (hopefully under the franchise tag, or even better, a long-term extension), as well as get guys like Gabe Carimi, Chris Williams (did we ever think we'd miss C-Dub?), Johnny Knox, Major Wright and Pat Mannelly, among others, like special teamers Kyle Adams, Anthony Walters and J.T. Thomas. Maybe Brian Iwuh will even find his way back to our squad, but either way, this team will be healthier on opening day than it is currently.

4) Better draft pick; Let's face it, this is the most basic reason any fanbase can swallow the pill of a bad season, the draft pick. The draft symoblizes so many things for teams; hope, fresh talent, etc. The Bears are looking like they will finish i what I call the NFL "No-Mans Land" where you're outside the playoffs and outside a top 10 draft choice, usually finishing with a record between 7-9 and 9-7. I think the Bears could end up 7-9 or 8-8. The Bears will get a choice somewhere in the mid-teens and this team isn't exactly short on positions it needs help with; OL, DB, WR and the list goes on (do we finally look at drafting some future LB guys?). While these questions remain to be answered and the nearly endless speculation and wishlists will pop up here on WCG right down to draft day '12, it will be nice to have a higher pick and more choices with which to choose. Even if it is JA making that choice...

3) More willing to make a splash in free agency. As my colleague, T.J. Shouse wrote last week, JA will be returning, and that's OK. Angleo has an iffy-at-best drafting record and the team's lack of free agency moves has often been viewed as all down to him. The outsiders viewing the the organization as "cheap" often comes down on JA, whether that is the case or not, we often don't know. However, as Shouse pointed out "He sees that this season was derailed by two key injuries (and affected by a bunch of others), and that the Bears are going to be all-in for next season to be a success. Next year will be a crucial year for success in part because of the age of key defenders, and the likely franchise tag of Forte which provides no long-term security for either player or team" I am most interested in the "all-in" for next year phrase. Angelo might end up begging for looser purse strings to bring in a good, solid O-coordinator that both he AND Lovie approve of (remember, JA publicly distanced himself from the Mike Martz hire at the time) and sign some key free agents; maybe a solid corner, maybe an established WR. Who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised if JA tries to get this team over the top with a couple key cogs for next year in order to establish a legacy. We can hope any way....

2) A new offensive coordinator. As I referenced above, I believe that we will have a new system next year. Moan and groan and bitch about it all you want, but it's probably, unfortunately, the best thing for this team. Martz's system has been a big bust for the most part, an era that will be remembered for sacks and identity crises more than good offensive football. Martz's contract is up at the end of the season and I doubt he'll be back. He'll either get a college coaching job or get the "fall-guy" status for not having Caleb "The Slump" Hanie ready to go. Maybe both but either way Cutler and Co. will have a new play-caller next fall. I bet we'll see a repeat of the 2010 search with Cutler having a bit of a say and with a push for guys well-known around the league. This time, everyone has seen that Lovie had this team in the NFC Championship Game a year ago and they were playoff bound again this year, until the injuries un-did them, so no one will be afraid of the one-and-gone thing the coaching staff had over their head last season.

and the number one reason not to cry after the 2011 Bears season....

1) Easier schedule next year. The Bears had a brutal September this year and had to face the division winners from a year ago in the Eagles and the Seahawks because we won the division last year, plus we played the entire NFC South. Next year we get the NFC West, the AFC South and then [likely] the third place team's from the NFCs South and East, which would be either the Panthers or the Bucs and the Eagles or Redskins. Now we beat both those NFC South teams this year, although Cam Newton will be better in year two, defenses will have a whole 16 games worth of film to study how to slow him down. The Eagles should improve after the fiasco this year and who knows, maybe they'll have a whole new coach, but the Bears always bring their A-game against the Eagles and Vick.

It was pointed out that the Packers had a very easy-looking schedule for a defending champ and a lot of that was because they finished behind us in the division. This year we should end up with the advantage of the third place schedule thanks to the Lions and have a sneaky-easy schedule that will put us in the driver seat for a bounce-back 2012, with a healthy number 6 and 22 in the backfield. Won't that be nice?

So don't fret fellow Bears fans, and remember this as this tough, gut punch of a season comes to an end. There is silver lining in the coffin of the 2011 season.

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by Jim Ribs on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

I want to say all the same things

But I’m afraid Jerry as well as the entire front office will play the injury card to save their respective butts and use it as an excuse to not do anything meaningful in terms of seeking improvements to the team, especially to the receiving corps.

injuries for sure killed the Bears’ season, but that can’t be used as an excuse by the management. Hopefully George McCaskey feels the same way and takes the neccessary actions.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

right on, especially when GB won the super bowl w/15 guys on IR

I don’t want to hear the injury excuse either, but I’m afraid we’re going to in the press conference after the game @ MIN next week.

by walterfan34 on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

far as I know GB is the only one who has ever done it but none of their IR people were Mr. Rodgers

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Never thought I'd say this , but

I don’t think special teams has missed Mannelly as much as we thought they would. Tyler Clutts is a beast

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

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by suckmyditka on Dec 19, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Clutts isn't snapping still

We signed a guy, but Clutts filled in admirably.

Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost

by Sam Householder on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Clutts was doing punts and the other guy was doing FGs?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

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by suckmyditka on Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Could be

but hadn’t heard that.

Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost

by Sam Householder on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

pretty sure I've seen him out there snapping in the last 2 games

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

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by suckmyditka on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

no

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 20, 2011 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."

by Ditkavsworld on Dec 19, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

no

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

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by suckmyditka on Dec 19, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."

by Ditkavsworld on Dec 20, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

you can't make me

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

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by suckmyditka on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes I can

I will do this until you take it back…

Link pop.

Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."

by Ditkavsworld on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

what a turn on

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by suckmyditka on Dec 20, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm..

I’m just going to go stand over here..away from you..before a long snapped football comes flying in the window with the intent of replacing your head with it

by Pretender85 on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

unlike a Bear WR SMD would catch that big brown thing.

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by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Martz

Let me start by saying I don’t like Martz’s play calling either. Remember though that the Bears were arguably the second best team in the entire NFL before the injuries started. Probably would have beaten the green slime too. All this with the same front office as now. Let me finish by saying that I don’t Like Martz’s play calling now either.

Bobrem

by Bobrem on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

What annoys me

is that it took about 6 games in before they made a change to an offensive system that played to their strengths and limits their weaknesses. I would be happy to see Martz leave somewhere else.

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by parkernutws05 on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Two years in a row it took 6 games to make a change

Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M

by parkernutws05 on Dec 19, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Not true.

Last year, it took 8 games.

by Doshi on Dec 19, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I stand corrected

Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M

by parkernutws05 on Dec 19, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Martz will be back

I can’t stand the thought of the entire offense and new additions, having to go through another philosophical and terminological change.

Jay was just starting to become an elite QB. It would be a mistake to stunt his growth yet again.

Biggest needs:

WR, OT, CB, LB, backup QB, and DE (in that order).

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

^ This

I can only imagine that Tim Jennings not Zach Bowman will be around next year. Meanwhile, Brandon Carr appeared to have a good game in a win over the Packers(!). Anyone else thinking it would be wise to bring in someone who fits the mold of a young, faster Tillman with improved man-on-man skills?

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

not nor

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

yep absolutely need a good #2 CB

Depth in the secondary has been a recurring problem and CB is a major need.

by walterfan34 on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

What if

they brought a guy cutty has worked with before?

Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."

by Ditkavsworld on Dec 19, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Different system and different terminology

will result in a set back early in the season. Jay has even said he doesn’t want to learn another scheme.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

And it's not only Jay...

It’s our mediocre WR’s.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 19, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Any scheme change will ....

…. result in the same thing , slow starts & learning curves for players . Yes while Jay may know the system the other 10 fellas will not .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

In my opinion I thin Martz stunted his growth more.

That offense started clicking despite Martz and his offense. Jay had to literally go rouge and start doing his own thing before things changed. They just gave millions of dollars the a WR that’s only effective because he and the QB would run their own routes. I think Martz will be gone and I think it’s a good thing. I don’t want anything to do with an offense that is so difficult that only certain QBs can run the offense no matter how bad they are because it’s so complicated.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Dec 19, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?
They just gave millions of dollars the a WR that’s only effective because he and the QB would run their own routes.

This sounds like your opinion only.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're saying that Earl Bennett wasn't given a new contract?

And you’re also saying that Bennett hasn’t made adjustments on routes based on what the defense is showing and also his connection with Cutler? For example the TD in Philly was an adjusted route by Bennett. Those are facts.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Dec 19, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That's one example

and it happens all the time in every game with every team.

I must have skimmed over the millions part. Bennett has been MIA.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Sadly he's the best possession receiver we have.

The fact Martz wants absolute control over the game plan is obvious in light of plays not getting DOWN to the HUDDLE with until there’s only 16 seconds left or so.

Kinda hard to make the correct line block calls and everything else in the remaining three seconds.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

This

Before he got injured Jay was on Kurt Warner’s “Best Qb” list at # 3 behind Rodgers and Brady

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by suckmyditka on Dec 19, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Kurt is nuts.

Cutler is better than Tebow??? Brees, Eli, Romo and Big Ben for sure but Tebow?

by mick11 on Dec 19, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Regarding the OC situation:

I agree with your view on the Martz’s offense. In addition, many people see the offensive scheme issue in a very black/white terms. Actually though, the Bears have never run a true Martz offense throughout his tenure here. Someone on the coaching staff has always had to keep Martz in check. Since the Monday night disaster and throughout the 5-game winning streak, the Bears have been employing a considerably modified offensive gameplan. (1:28) It’s clear that Martz is burdensome, and a new offensive scheme would be a very laborious task. Our best option could very well be promoting one of our current members on the coaching staff.

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

by GriggsBriggs on Dec 19, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

It starts and stops with George McCaskey

Lets see if this member of the lucky sperm club can do what his mother Virginia and brother Michael were incapable of, and that is LEAD.

Bears can rationalize this season all they want, but the proof is in the pudding. You’ve got an aging defense where your top 4 players in Briggs, Urlacher, Tillman and Peppers are each north of 30. You’ve got a mess of an offensive line that somehow, miraculously, Mike Tice has been able glue together semi-effectiveness. You’ve got nothing at wide receiver other than Earl Bennett, who at best should be # 3 on the depth chart.

So instead of blaming injuries, maybe George will rise to the ocassion and due what is long overdue…..blow up the front office. That means bye-bye to Sweaty Teddy Phillips the accountant, Jerry Angelo and this latest abortion Tim Ruskell.

Mike Martz? I suspect he’s going to leave on his own accord.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Dec 19, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

There is no tomorrow

Only today. And we pissed that away….

by PulledGroin on Dec 19, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Audibles

how many time-outs because the play can’t work. (S)Martz idea to not being able to check down

by Rainman9856 on Dec 19, 2011 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

Are we on the same page with what a check down is?

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

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by Kev H on Dec 19, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

/Kev'd

and badly, too. yikes.

by BOBdaBEAR on Dec 19, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Super Bowl or Bust

Next season should be “All-In”. If we survive the year mostly healthy and without regression on defense, anything less than a Super Bowl appearance will be a disappointment.

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by LRT on Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

Chisox went "All In" this year

and laid a friggin’ egg the size of the Superdome…

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by Gromowicz on Dec 19, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

My take on your thoughts

5) Whose to say that next year we won’t sustain similar injuries?

4) yes, a higher draft pick is nice, but I disagree about the whole “JA returning is okay business”. It’s not okay. He’s had a decade to build a team, and has nothing to show for it other than should’ve would’ve could’ve seasons. Furthermore, ask yourself if you really trust JA with his drafting. If the answer is no, then he should be removed. Also, when will Chicago let go of 1985 as being acceptable as our last year to win the Superbowl and start demanding a winning team now?

3) Last year we reached the NFCCG, and most of us around here thought JA would make a FA splash to push the Bears over the hump. Roy Williams was his answer. Basically, all I’m saying is don’t get your hopes up. I figure if JA sticks around we’ll be discussing more retreads next year.

2) Agreed. Martz’s system has been flawed, and I don’t see how a “genius” is so “genius” that everyone has figured out his system and how to stop it. Furthermore, even if it would work, we don’t have the O-Line or WRs to make it run. I’d prefer a West Coast offense back in Chicago again tailored to Cutler’s strengths as a mobile QB.

1) I don’t view an easier schedule as either a plus or minus over the long run. Sure, it may help us reach the playoffs easier next year, but I want the Bears to become a perennial contended capable of beating any team, not just the 3rd string teams in the league.

E.F.K.

by DaBearBus on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

+1...

I ’m right there with your critique. Two things:

1. JA is actually good at finding FAs to fill back-up roles (A Adams, M Barber, Izzy, Okoye) and HORRIBLE at picking in the draft. His assessment of talent seems so off as to be criminal. I sincerely believe his ego goads him into picking these odd-ball late round guys that might turn into “gems” or “steals”, but more often fail for good reason, they’re not that good.

2. I agree that the WCO system is better suited to Cutler, but I don’t know that any new OC can come in and have success next year. Too many changes for Cutler cannot help his development/decision making.

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And Jay Cutler has already spoke out about being against another change of systems

He himself would prefer Martz to return

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

This...

Coming from the horses’ mouth. They should definitely listen to their franchise QB.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And see...

I mean, if Cutler likes it and thinks that it can be Successful, then…

Wait, dude’s not a winner, why are we listening to him?

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 19, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

The horse is beaten to a pulp.
Also, when will Chicago let go of 1985 as being acceptable as our last year to win the Superbowl and start demanding a winning team now?

I’m so tired of hearing about them and their glory years. Start making new history!!

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

omg this

I got eaten alive when I mentioned something like this in the offseason

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by suckmyditka on Dec 19, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

We can reflect on our glory years without living in the past . I do agree ....

…. we really do need to start moving foward and repeating 1985 instead of reliving 1985 .

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Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 19, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Just imagine if the team won this decade

i mean, look at how the city reacted to the Blackhawks winning

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by ThorCo on Dec 19, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

... As well they should have.

The Blackhawks had a, um, very long championship drought.

… What the hell is it with Chicago and sucking at winning championships for long periods of time?!

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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 20, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Upper management corruption and ineptness

They’ve focused on profits rather than winning. It’s been going on for over a century in Chitown.

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by propheteer on Dec 20, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Rhetorical question, Proph.

Not intended to receive a serious answer.

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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not wrong

lol, if we we’re fair weather and wouldn’t sell out games at the UC, Wrigley and Soldier Field maybe ownership would get the hint, seemed to work for the Hawks

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by ThorCo on Dec 20, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Delusional

5) Health is a given. ALL NFL teams get a clean healthy slate coming into a season. This is not a net gain. Injuries happen and you need to have depth.

4) Better draft pick? What exactly is JA going to do with a better draft pick? Besides, this is no consolation. A better draft pick means your team sucked and more often than not you watched them lose. I’ll take 11-5 and a shot at knocking Green Bay off than a high draft pick.

3) More willing to make a big splash in free agency? What are you basing that on? Why wouldn’t they have done that THIS year? There was no bigger need than offensive line and wide receiver last off-season and the Bears did not achieve any success in either one of those areas. In order for Martzfense to work, you need receivers who can run routes and block down field and an Oline that can give the QB time for the play to develop.

We’ve gotten very little of either this year. There is zero reason to believe that either one of these things will be addressed in a meaningful way this off-season. I’ll give JA credit for bringing in Peppers and Cutler and having some depth at running back. Unfortunately, we don’t have adequate depth at most positions and our O line is still bad.

2) More speculation. The Bears could also fire everyone and bring in Cowher and begin the rebuilding process. The Bears could talk Tony Dungy out of retirement and bring Favre in as a QB coach/ 3rd string emergency guy. Plan on Martz being here until you hear otherwise from someone not in your contacts list.

1)Non sequitur. These easy schedules are thing of the past. We beat the teams no one expected us to beat and lost to teams we should have whipped. Next year, these bad teams might make the splash in free agency that you think the Bears will make. Or come back healthy. This is a non-sequitur as it relates to the very arguments you laid out as to why the Bears should be better.

Here’s the bottom line: all we needed was for Caleb Hanie to hold down the fort for 4-5 weeks. We didn’t need him to come in and be a pro-bowler. We needed him to manage the game and not turn the ball over. Martz didn’t put him into a position to do that and I’m not sure he could have anyway. Either way, this was an epic collapse.

We were 7-3 with winnable games coming down the pipe looking at 11-5 possible and 10-6 very probable and we blew it. That’s the bottom line. That’s not wallowing in anything, that’s just the harsh truth.

by Skags on Dec 19, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

because they were blaming him before Caleb's epic fail

they were complaining about Martz before he coached his first game here.
Every fail is a Martz fail, every good thing is inspite of Martz.
It’s a meatball tidal wave.

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by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

"A meatball tidal wave?"

That sounds both delicious and terrifying!

by frenchbears113 on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Mmm....

A flood of meatballs :)

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by propheteer on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

In my best Jerry Seinfeld

Technically, it would be a meatball avalanche and a tidal wave of marinara. You can’t have a tidal wave of meatballs because they aren’t in liquid form so….

Dang. Now I’m hungry.

by Skags on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Piss off, ed_

I wasn’t bemoaning Mike before he was here.

Regardless, it’s no secret that the Bears success lies in running the ball as evidenced by their record after the come to Jesus meeting Lovie had with Martz last season after the Washington game, heading into the Bye. From that game on, no team in the NFL ran the ball more than the Bears who went on a 7-2 tear.

Caleb Hanie sucks, we all agree. But Martz shares part of the blame in Hanie’s woeful performance, as it is Martz who calls the plays. Since Cutler went out we’ve passed the ball more than ran it. If Caleb Hanie is so bad, so spectacularly bad how can you give a pass to Martz for calling so many passing plays? Martz didn’t make the necessary adjustments that he needed to make, ergo, he shares the blame. Maybe you didn’t actually read what I wrote and just enjoy calling using that phase?

Let me just fill you in on a little secret, if you don’t understand that or can’t, you’re the meatball, Ed.

by Skags on Dec 20, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

no you go piss on yosef

stop taking yourself so seriously , how much do you really know about the inter workings of an NFL team?
More than the rest of us Meatballs? be honest.

Do you have any proof of this “come to Jesus” meeting? or are you just going with the urban legend.

The Bears Ran the ball 31 times Sunday and tried 29 passing plays.

lastly you might have noticed that I replied to Mick and not you, I don’t see where I was pointing a finger at you, but if you were around WCG during the off season last year surely you noticed the H8 Martz club forming before training camp.

the fact was they were playing great or so we thought before Cutler went down and now they look like crap.
Last year Indy was 10-6 but with Manning out they are 1-13 which shows you what an elite QB can mean to a team.

The blame game why is everyone so eager to play?

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--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

"The Bears Ran the ball 31 times Sunday and tried 29 passing plays"

Negative. Martz called 30 pass plays to 26 running plays in Sunday’s loss to Seattle.

The come to Jesus meeting was publicized in the media and evidenced by the fact that the Bears were running the ball more- they were running more than any team in the NFL. Regardless, if Hanie is as bad as you say, then please explain why Martz calls so many pass plays? My point is axiomatic.

We could have won all these games if Martz would have tamed down the playbook, realized the limitations Hanie has, and put the ball in the running backs hands and tried grinding out an ugly win. With exception to the Seattle game, we were in these games. And I could make the case that if he doesn’t come out in the 3rd throwing the ball, Seattle doesn’t get the pick 6 and so on.

I don’t really care who said what about Martz prior to him coming. It’s got nothing to with the reality of what happened when Caleb Hanie took the reigns. Martz treated this situation like the QB’s were basically interchangeable parts. There’s no excuse for this and he’s just as culpable.

by Skags on Dec 21, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

come to jesus please

I’m pretty sure Lovie and Martz meet every week, but guess what? the press is never there. There is no proof that anyone laid down the law, choked, twisted arms, etc. we have no window into the inter workings of Bears management.

Where is your proof? Could we just run the ball every play and win? can we do it with our 2nd and 3rd string RB? We are missing 2 starters off one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. We are missing our starting QB, and starting RB and our special teams star has a sore wheel. One of our team mates was just arrested and accused of trying to be one of the biggest drug dealers in Chicago

so do you really think that dumbing down Martz’s already dumbed down playbook is going to make much of a difference, at what point does your vanilla offense becomes so vanilla that no one has any trouble stopping it.

Easy to point a finger at Martz, but the guy has next to nothing to work with right now and if I were him I would be relieved that my contract is going to run out soon.

sorry I forgot to count Hanie’s runs as pass plays, Using the NFL averages you would expect to see 36 pass and 20 run, Martz is calling a run heavy game starting the 3rd Q Martz dialed up 5 runs and 6 pass plays it’s not like he came out the 2nd half all pass happy. Starting the 4th quarter the Bears are down 24-14
now what?

Hanie is in his 4th season, he should be a little better than what we are seeing.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Dec 21, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

So many questions!
I’m pretty sure Lovie and Martz meet every week, but guess what? the press is never there. There is no proof that anyone laid down the law, choked, twisted arms, etc. we have no window into the inter workings of Bears management.

Where is your proof?

I have lot’s of proof. Look it up the reports and look at the stats after the bye last year. Google is your friend.

Could we just run the ball every play and win?

I’m not suggesting that we run the ball 100% of the time. Is it all or nothing with everything in your life, or just when you lose your mind to the internets?

can we do it with our 2nd and 3rd string RB?

Yes, we could run the ball more with our more than capable backups.

We are missing 2 starters off one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. We are missing our starting QB, and starting RB and our special teams star has a sore wheel. One of our team mates was just arrested and accused of trying to be one of the biggest drug dealers in Chicago

Meaningless.

so do you really think that dumbing down Martz’s already dumbed down playbook is going to make much of a difference,

Yes


at what point does your vanilla offense becomes so vanilla that no one has any trouble stopping it.

Grinding out ugly wins on the ground isn’t pretty. Again, I’m not suggesting we run the ball 100% of the time. But at the very least, the run to pass ratio, at the very least, should be run heavy when you’ve got a back-up QB who stinks and a bad O line that struggles in pass protection. Any play that requires a 7 step drops in light of these two things and everything you described should be punishable by 6 months in jail and fines in excess of $ONE BILLION DOLLARS./

Besides, the point is, more than anything, once it became clear that Hanie was struggling, they should have gone vanilla all the way and gradually added flavor. Martz stubbornly, arrogantly, kept going full speed ahead. I’m not sure if one of the knocks against him was he was bad at making adjustments, but clearly he is.

Easy to point a finger at Martz, but the guy has next to nothing to work with right now and if I were him I would be relieved that my contract is going to run out soon.

I agree with you for the most part.

sorry I forgot to count Hanie’s runs as pass plays, Using the NFL averages you would expect to see 36 pass and 20 run, Martz is calling a run heavy game starting the 3rd Q Martz dialed up 5 runs and 6 pass plays it’s not like he came out the 2nd half all pass happy.

Dude. 5 runs and 6 pass plays is not a heavy running attack. That IS pass happy. Try 7 runs and 4 passes.

Starting the 4th quarter the Bears are down 24-14
now what?

Now you’re f*cked because Hanie sucks ass and you asked him to throw the ball out of a hole that didn’t exist, and instead dug one that the Bears couldn’t climb out of.

Hanie is in his 4th season, he should be a little better than what we are seeing.

AGRRRREEEEEEEED!!!!

I don’t even know what we’re arguing about.

by Skags on Dec 22, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Hard to figure how you are so quick to give a Hanie a pass for his horrid play

If he plays average, the team at worst splits the last four games, most likely wins 3. Hanie is not the sole reason for the failures the last four weeks, but he is at the head of the class.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 22, 2011 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I suggest you try reading what I wrote

I’ve said repeatedly that Hanie is bad. Repeatedly.

But again, you guys seem to be incapable of understanding that if Hanie is bad, and he is, then why ask him to throw the ball so much? Martz panicked in every game and acted as if we needed to come from behind by 35 points. It’s real simple: run the ball. Run the ball. If nothing else, running the ball kills time off the clock and let’s your defense rest. Martz and Hanie are equally culpable for the epic collapse.

by Skags on Dec 22, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

This sucks, we are going to finish 7-9. That’s about it.

by transylvanian bear on Dec 19, 2011 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

My take on Martz

I am not a fan of Martz. I feel he should be replaced next year and we as fans should not worry about the Bears or Cutler learning a new offensive system. The ugly fashion they have lost and Hanies lack of improvement over the last four games has proven Martz cannot adjust his system to the players he has at hand. A recent report also has Dane Sanzenbacher claiming the offensive play package changes from week to week, essentially saying they add a large portion of new plays each week. Hanie is a poor backup QB, but he showed flashes of being able to run a drive. I would think you need to build off those small successes he was having, however small and infrequent, from game to game to piece together a plan that fits Hanie. John Fox is proof you can adjust on the fly as he sure did a good job of adjusting to Tebow’s strengths. Hanie is bad, but I think it could be that he isn’t properly coached because his OC spends all his time at the drawing board or he is too stupid to remember NFL basics. Perhaps it is both.

by a biscuit shy on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

we are quoting Dane Sazendropper now?

kid is lucky to have a job.

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by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

ya I'm kinda disapointed in him

for a guy who was supposed to have sure hands, he drops an awful lot of passes

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by ThorCo on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hanie is gone, and I think at this point we should see if Enderle is any good, for next year’s back-up role.

by transylvanian bear on Dec 19, 2011 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

I don't understand two things:

1. Why fans would rather having a shitty OC calling awful plays over trying to find a new coordinator, even if that means learning a new system. The excuses made for Martz just kill me. How many other coordinators would get the benefit of the doubt for so long when they so obviously cannot adapt to the personnel they have? Calling him the mad genius is absurd.

2. Why the new OC can’t use the old OCs terminology and playbook. Why do 53 guys have to learn the new playbook? Why can’t one guy learn the old playbook and adapt it to his philosophy? Martz’s playbook is supposed to be enormous, if a good OC can’t find enough plays in there that he likes, then I question how good of an OC he is.

by tomas21 on Dec 19, 2011 2:19 PM CST reply actions  

Bears hire Mike Tice as OC.

Tice, Cutler, and Shane Day (assuming Tice & Cuttly like him) sit down and design an offense based on Martz’s with all the good kept in, all the bad (there’s lots) thrown out, and allowing Cutler to make the right calls at the line when looking over a defense. I’m not aware of Tice having a set system he adheres to, so he can just steal Martz’s with the appropriate tweaks made w Cutler. The line calls and protections wouldn’t change. That should be enough. On game days, Tice calls the plays. Thankfully, they’ll have a full off-season to figure it out.

Tice was a QB in college, a TE in the NFL for 14 years. He’s been a head coach (3+ years), a TE coach, and a O-line coach. I think he can be an OC. He’s 52 years old, still young enough to look ahead to being a head coach again someday. OC is the only real hole on his resume. The Bears should help him fill it.

by Mike Mueller on Dec 19, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

regarding #2

Play callers have their own play books and their own terminology. Playbooks are developed through time, and the O.C. has complete control over what ever book he uses. Even two playbooks that were developed while learning under the same coach are different. I can’t think of any professional play caller that would come into a situation where he had to use what was in place.

If the Bears have a desire to keep terminology in place their best bet would be to hire someone that falls in the same coaching tree as Mike Martz.

I think Tice could be a seamless transition, not because of them using the exact same terminology, but because he knows his personnel.

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 19, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you actually believe any OC

would be successful with the crap currently on offense? Cutler and Forte were their offense, and furthermore, Martz did a spectacular job catering to their strengths. He was running was very little of what his “system” is.

The offense was clicking and scoring over 30 points a game until the untimely injuries. So, you want to start over….again?

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by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

"He was running was very little of what his "system" is."

I think this point is lost on everyone.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 19, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

"Martz did a spectacular job catering to their strengths. He was running was very little of what his "system" is."

Why are you giving that credit to Martz when it pretty common knowledge that Cutler has had to repeatedly get him to make adjustments to the game calling and playbook? This dude had to get concussed last year and sacked a million times for 4 games this year before Jay finally took control of the situation in Detroit.

No what the offense showed while scoring 30 ppg during that strecth was how good Jay Cutler really is. If you have a chance, do yourself a favor and go look at the Bears/Chargers game where Jay threw 4 TDs. Then compare that to what you’ve seen from Hanie and the offense now. You will be amazed at how many times Jay avoided the rush to make a throw or hooked up with Bennett for a completion. Martz does make some good play calls from time to time but I have a hard time crediting him for the offenses turnaround. That credit goes to Jay in my opinion.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Dec 19, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You're going to blame Martz

for the line’s play? It’s not his fault JA has neglected it for years.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not totally blaming Martz for the line play

But I’m absolutely blaming him for making the issue worse. Continuously using 7 step drops and not leaving a back in to chip is to be blamed on Martz play calling and it did make the O-line look even worse than it really was. Once Cutler protested and got to move out the pocket, have backs chip, and get rid of the ball quicker the line looked better.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Dec 19, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the 7-step drop has been exaggerated

It’s so difficult to tell because the line doesn’t contain the pressure, so naturally, the QB is running for his life at five steps a lot of the time.

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by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

it's another one of those "common" knowledge things.

some “football authority” most likely a product of the WCO which uses 3 step drops and short passing game. Ridiculed Martz’s use of 7 step drops and now it is the mantra of Martz H8ers everywhere.

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by ed_brown on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

With Carolina's 3rd round pick, the Bears are going to have 4 picks in the top 80 or so.

That has the possibility (even if Angelo is the 1 drafting) of the Bears getting some impact players. I also expect the salary cap to jump way up. With the new CBA in place, all the networks re-upping, record ratings; this has to mean huge revenue increases. If the Bears are in fact under the cap now, they’ll continue to be, even with them re-upping Forte, Okoye, and others. I hope JA does go all in and chases after a good guard or LT, a good WR, a good safety or corner, or all 3.

by Mike Mueller on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

I'll defend Martz on one thing

When he was brought here, it was well known his playing style requires a very specific skill set in all positions. How many of those were fulfilled by the front office? Look, I can find the best architect in the world. but if I ask them to build a house, and give them a plastic shovel and a tiny bucket with some sand, do you really think he will do anything? And if the front office willingly brought him here expecting him to work around his style of play, why him and not a guy used to work with a good moving QB and a great RB and questionable in allbother positions? Martz has a lot to answer for, but a lot of the shortcomings we’ve all seen are result of the front office being run by monkeys with a typewritter.

Anyway, rant over.

5) Let’s see how the injuries impacted the players on the long run.

4) We have a monkey drafting. We all know JA is going to get cute with the draft, and waste at least two of the four top three round picks with a “promising project” and a guy why two busted knees.

3) EVIL EVIL MONKEEEEEEEEEEEEY

2) back to my rant.

1) relative. those potential opponents are thinking EXACTLY the same thing.

by lmfsilva on Dec 19, 2011 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

You are right

My main criticism of the bears organization is that it relies on too many very very special players on both sides of the ball to work. That said, I can’t really blame Martz for how bad Hanie is; as mentioned above its not like the org didn’t know going into this exactly what was required. We have film of Martzfences ranging from great to terrible … so it falls on JA for not having a backup/other pieces. And I appreciate Martzfence for showing the holes in the development and acquisition of talent on offense. This “reality check” may not have happened if Jay hadn’t gotten injured. And speaking of reality checks:

. I have no idea why some people think using a high draft pick on a backup QB is a bad idea. If I told you one player (and I’m not talking about Jay) could be the difference between winning say half of your games and losing every single one, you would think that would be worth (at least) a first rounder. Well, thats what we have with our backup quarterbacks. I wouldn’t expect a backup to keep winning almost every game like Jay looked like he was moving towards but this problem is too serious to throw fringe talent at. We are in the same division as rodgers and stafford. We’re going to have to move the ball in the air no matter who is quarterbacking. And no single draft pick is too high a price to insure against total collapse. Not to mention, it will be a heckuva lot cheaper than an aging retread QB. Anyone who is worth his weight in spit wouldn’t come to Chicago anyway barring an upgrade to pass-catching talent. Which reminds me:

- I feel terrible that Johnny Knox was pretty seriously injured, but unrelatedly, he’s not very good. Theres a short speedster WR or three in the draft every year. If you want one to insure big openings on long routes, get a different one. Maybe one who runs consistent routes. Maybe I just haven’t forgiven his tor falling down on the play that injured cutler … but really, he has hiccups on this type in every game.

-The schedule thing will be nice next year! Maybe we can come out of the gate in first!

by Sound_Automatic on Dec 19, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The sad thing

Is how the Bears could be a top team in the past 5 years if the front office actually knew what was doing.

I agree. With Luck, Barkley, Jones and Heisman Trophy Winner III gone in the first round, we could do something cute and try to grab, say, Kellen Moore or Keenum with our 2nd or the extra 3rd round pick, depending on the available talent for our needs. But more important than that, we need to develop them. If one of them turns into another Orkman… heh, I’m more than fine with that. He was a backup that did his job properly, went to start for two different teams, including ending an almost year-long unbeaten streak by the Packers.

I feel kinda bad for piling on Knox after the fumble before noticing he was pretty much snapped in half trying to recover it, but as I’ve said yesterday, I hope he recovers quick and completely, but I really don’t want to see him play for us again. I expected quite a bit from him this season, but he stills lets too many balls go unchallenged, and we’ve seen Cutler glaring at him way more often than I’d like.

by lmfsilva on Dec 19, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

We have too many issues to grab a developmental QB .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 19, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

the position itself being one

Again, it’s all on the available talent. We can forget about trading up or down because no one will, if there’s no talent that can’t be picked up later, we could do a lot worse than picking a decent QB.

by lmfsilva on Dec 19, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry but QB is the least of our worries . First off .....

….. one our biggest needs is Offensive talent in general starting with a go to WR , a Left Tackle to keep Jay standing , maybe even a Guard for depth . Honestly we even need some Defensive talent before a QB . We need young starters now , on both sides of the ball . Not to mention we drafted Enderle to be that back up guy so drafting another QB is like wasting a pick in my opinion . If your so concerned with the back up QB position maybe we need a proven vet to back Jay up …… Say a man named Orton ……..

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Dec 19, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Tell me more about this EVIL monkey!

Sounds like a fascinating animal.

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by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be like the octopus picking games

That thing was never wrong.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I knew he was cooler than I thought

We share the same name!

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by propheteer on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

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