Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Week 15, Seahawks Edition
- Starting off with the Caleb Hanie thing. I just don't know what to think, and I'm glad I'm not in the position to have to manage him. He's shown some decent flashes - running the football, he was solid, made some decent time on the touchdown throw to Kahlil Bell - but his mistakes were as mind-numbing as usual. None of his three interceptions really should have been thrown. On the first one, he had Bennett in the flat and he could have gotten it to Davis sooner, instead of waiting to air it out into double coverage. On the second... Red Bryant was the only guy around. Hanie would have either had to throw it into the ground or throw it far out of bounds, or take it down for a sack. Instead, he tried to wing a throw out there and it was caught. No chance on the Browner interception either.
- Tim Jennings was benched, after we finally thought we had a decent CB2, and was benched for good reason. The deep pass play to Obomanu in the third quarter was squarely on Jennings. The Bears were in Cover 1 (Steltz came up) and Brandon Meriweather was alone in the middle of the field. Jennings can't let his receiver get past him that easily, especially to the outside - Obomanu gets that release, and it doesn't get much easier for Jackson to hit him.
- The Johnny Knox injury is a rough blow in and of itself, and we wish him nothing but the best in his recovery. From a football standpoint, however, it leaves the team in a bit of a hole. Hurd is gone, Hester was already being scaled back, and now Knox is gone. That leaves Roy Williams, Dane Sanzenbacher, and Earl Bennett, plus about half of Hester. So with two games to go, do the Bears look at Kris Adams from the Minnesota practice squad to fill the blank? Who would you guys like to see the Bears go after?
- So where does Barber stand with the team? He was scaled back pretty harsh - only eleven touches, compared to Kahlil Bell's 15 carries and another five catches.
- Beast Mode was held in check anywhere but the two-yard-line. 42 yards on 20 carries (2.1 YPC) but two touchdowns.
- Tarvaris Jackson... Ugh. I look at his statline and I wonder how the hell he got to 19/31 for 227 yards and a TD, cause I thought he played a lot worse than that.
- Craig Steltz had another good game. Do the Bears consider starting Steltz/Wright next week if Major's healthy? Meriweather still doesn't quite know what he's doing back there, in my opinion.
- Corey Graham's leverage penalty was legit. You can't effectively get a boost from your own players. Just because it doesn't get called doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, even if he did it accidentally.
- And then Graham downs the next punt inside the five.
- The Bears had five different kick returners. Can someone explain to me Bell, Knox, Hester, Clutts and Spaeth each getting one?
- Also on returns, Bennett went from laying Jon Ryan out on a punt last year to returning one for 7 yards.
- Julius Peppers is all that is man. Let us leave it at that. Kept Jackson off balance much of the game.
- So I could understand Brandon Meriweather missing a tackle. And Jennings didn't have a good game. But how does Peanut not make the cleanup tackle that Jennings messed up on Golden Tate?
- Dane Sanzenbacher had three tackles. There is something wrong with that picture.
- There are a couple things I like about Hanie's game - like Cutler, I love the ability to extend plays. But the touchdown he threw was waiting for Bell to come open coming back to his side of the field. A receiver helping out his quarterback is something we haven't been used to lately.
- Roy Williams had a catch? Didn't notice.
- Tight end Zach Miller was held out of the end zone, yet still had four receptions for... wait, only 23 yards?!
- Third downs: SEA 6-16 / CHI 3-10
Penalties: SEA 6-36 / CHI 5-45 - The Bears had five turnovers, entirely too many. Reminder, guys, giving the football away is NOT conducive to winning games.
- You'll enjoy this one. Red zone opportunities: SEA 3-4 / CHI 0-0 - That's right, the Bears didn't even sniff the red zone.
- Time of Possession: SEA 31:37 / CHI 28:23
That's all I've got. What did you see?
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Jennings didn't mess up...
that tackle on Golden Tate. Peanut freed Tate from Jennings. Yet another reason why I think the Bears secondary needs some time to work on tackling fundamentals. Instead of the team moving Conte, Wright and Meriweather in their direct, it seems to have worked in reverse. The number of times I see Conte leave his feet or Meriweather and Peanut try to tackle without their arms makes me sick.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 7:19 AM CST reply actions
Looked to me like Tate slipped him.
Then again I wanted to forget so much of the game.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 19, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a reminder...
And I feel so mean for making you watch it again……
About the 00:17 mark gives you a fantastic view of what I mean.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
I see it a bit better now.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 19, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Conte?
This guy has probably been the best all-around tackler we’ve had back there in a while.
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by GriggsBriggs on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully his foot injury doesn't keep him out
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
???
Um…no. I like what the kid does in coverage, but let’s be fair here. He has a similar tackle to missed tackle ratio to Brandon Meriweather, who nobody is claiming is a good tackler. In fact, here’s the stats on that for our defensive backs…..
Conte: 31 tackles and 5 misses for a 6.2 ratio (through week 14. Week 15’s stats aren’t up yet)
And the rest.
Meriweather: 27 and 5 for 5.4
Wright 45 and 5 for 9.0
Tillman 89 and 9 for 9.9
Jennings 69 and 5 for 13.8
Moore 45 and 2 for 22.5
Steltz: 29 and 1 for 29.0
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Stats are no up for Week 15.
Add 3 tackles and 2 misses to Conte’s totals making his ratio 4.9
Merriweather added 6 tackles and 1 miss, raising his ratio to 5.5, making Conte’s ratio officially the worst on the team.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Stats are a subjective matter
The Bears have recently been playing a lot of 1-high looks, leaving Conte to react to everything that happens up front. In quite a few occasions he’s had to clean up poor tackling by linemen and linebackers himself, in the open field. Steltz has seen a lot of action the past 2 games, and it has mostly been up in the box. It’s good that he’s been playing by his strengths, but I’m not sure that him, nor Wright could make the open field tackles that Conte has had to make.
What I like about Conte is that he almost always keeps his head up and wraps around. Sure, he’s missed a few tackles, but they haven’t been nowhere near as fatal as Brandon Meriweather’s whifs (Steve Smith being one example).
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by GriggsBriggs on Dec 19, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Just once, I want to see a player line up a launch-hit...
… and completely whiff, making no contact whatsoever.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 19, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Check the link I posted above.
that’s about as close as it gets.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
or below, even.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Except when he whiffs after leaving his feet, like....
on the big catch and run by Marcel Reece for 47 yards that Conte left his feet on and whiffed at around the first down marker. The Raiders took a lead on a Janikowski field goal on this drive that the Raiders never relinquished. I’d call that more fatal than any missed tackle by Meriweather this year (though, to be fair to both Meriweather and Conte, I don’t think one missed tackle in any game is ever the fatal mistake)
Some stats are subjective, true enough. But there is little that is subjective about missing 1 tackle for every 4.9 that you make. Spin it how you like, Conte needs to get his fundamentals down. His angles are often bad and leaving your feet to make a tackle at a player running towards you in the NFL never ends well.
The bottom line is that the scheme has nothing to do with Conte leaving his feet to make a tackle or with the poor technique that has plagued him. He needs work. I’m not saying to cut him. I’m saying that his flaws need to be recognized and attended too.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Another thought....
Roy Williams gets a lot of bad press. But did anyone notice that when he was the target of two poorly thrown passes by Hanie that ended up in INTs that Williams couldn’t do a damned thing to stop, it was Williams who stepped up in the locker room and said “Don’t blame my quarterback. It was on me.” when he was questioned about the first one. When they asked him about the second he said, “That was one me, too.” Roy took a very defensive posture in circling the wagons around Hanie on two plays that were so obviously Hanie’s fault.
I’m not really very happy with Roy. But if the guy impressed me as much on the field as he consistently does off of it, He’d be a Pro Bowler.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 7:23 AM CST reply actions
Would have had to have been...
the Red Bryant and Brandon Browner INTs. Both clearly on Hanie.
Not sure how Williams could take blame for either of them. What’s he going to do, Nightcrawler-teleport to them?
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 19, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
"I looked up
and saw this big brown thing coming at me. I did what I could to knock it away."
It’s pretty easy to say it’s on me when everyone and their brother knows, clearly that wasn’t on him. That was on Hanie and everyone knows it. I’m not impressed.
The WR that I'd like to see the Bears get
is either Kris Adams or Onrea Jones.
That doesn’t work out, can we bring back Fantuz? Haha.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Dec 19, 2011 7:36 AM CST reply actions
Ugh..
Got over Fantuz Fever earlier this year already..lets not have a second wave.
Matt Jones?
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by BearNecessities on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say it for the record.
Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."
by Ditkavsworld on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Dec 20, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
TO?
Lets face it. Without knowing anythng about the offense, TO is probably still a better receiver than anyone else out there (or currently on the team, for that matter). If the Bears aren;t folding there cards, then they should try to bring in the best replacement they can. Preferably, Adams too.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
There is no positive from the team anymore. Hopefully we can get everyone else through the year healthy, get a solid draft, and make a run next year.
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by BearNecessities on Dec 19, 2011 7:51 AM CST reply actions
The Hanie Experiment:
When he hit the turf, he got no plan.
by Big Ike on Dec 19, 2011 7:57 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Anyone still screaming "pay the man"
For forte is getting a nice refresher course in just how interchangeable nfl running backs are in this era. It’s insane to waste big money locking down a running back when guys like Khalil bell and Marion barber can be had for dirt cheap and can do 80-90% of the job an elite runner can. Invest in a true #1 receiver to go alongside Bennett and our speed freaks Knox/Hester and invest in the o-line and pay 3 running backs no more than a combined 6 mil and we’ll be fine.
by lopey986 on Dec 19, 2011 7:59 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Free agent wr after this season
Reggie wayne, Wes welker, Vincent Jackson, desean Jackson, Dwayne Bose, marques colston, Brandon Lloyd, Robert meachem, Mario manningham.
That is a lot of talent.
by lopey986 on Dec 19, 2011 8:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how many
of those will be tagged. The Bears desperately need a Colston/Vjax/Bowe type of WR.
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Welker, Colston, Meachem, and Llyod are (IMO) products of their system.
Bears would misuse Welker, and we’ve already had Llyod…and Brees throwing to our WRs, they’d look like HoF’ers too, much like Colston and Meachem.
Agreed, about Wayne, Jackson x2, and Bowe.
I would enjoy Wayne on the Bears.
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by BearNecessities on Dec 19, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Not so sure about that.
Welker is strictly a possession WR and could do that in any system. Thankfully for him the Pats system is catered to his talents but he could do a lot of what he does for any team.
Same with Colston. Meachem, yes, that’s definitely a product of the Saints pass happy let everyone fly down the field and catch the ball system.
Lloyd…been there, saw that, don’t want to see it again.
Wayne didn’t show me much this year without Payton tossing him the ball.
Would take VJax and Bowe any day of the year. Those 2 are beasts!
by rbarnold2626 on Dec 19, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
I’m not taking away from Welker at all, I’m mostly saying it is our coaching staff that would misuse him. That and I don’t see ANY chance of him leaving NE anytime soon.
Vjax/Bowe…we do need that presence on the field
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by BearNecessities on Dec 19, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
ummmm
Barber is making waaaaayyyyyy more than Forte….
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Yeah, forte is a 2nd round pick playing out his contract
He will make a lot more than the 2 mil barber is making this year and next (if I recall his contract was 2 yr/4.6 mil with 500k of that up front).
That’s exactly my point, new running back at 3 mil, barber at 2, bell or rookie at league minimum.
by lopey986 on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
...
U just don’t find an RB like Forte these days.
Physical: He’s got speed, power, elusiveness
Skillset: Can run, catch, block, split out wide and run routes
in one football player? sure, having guys like Bell and Barber is great…but Forte is special, bro.
But many do nnot last long enough to justify long contracts
it is not how much per year Forte will demand, it is the years he will demand
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 19, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed he is
However, it’s pretty unlikely he will still be special in 3 or 4 years and it kills to pay running backs big money in their 30s.
by lopey986 on Dec 19, 2011 11:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The thing about Hanie
is lack of game experience. He seems to rely too much on instinct, which allows him to make some good runs with the occasional good throw, but makes a lot of unbelievably dumb crap because he’s lacking the experience to tame the same instinct. He could become a proper serviceable backup (one that could step up when needed) if he spent some time starting regularly on a development league… something the NFL will never allow.
I don’t care about getting receivers now. Two games, purely theoretical chances of making the playoffs, and a bunch of worthless QBs mean we might as well start playing with full house formations with Barber + Bell + Clutts.
meh
he just doesn’t display the intangibles he needed to. TJ Yates benefits from a much better line, but is still not sinking the ship in Houston despite not having the experience… Hanie = not the answer.
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by BearNecessities on Dec 19, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
And I agree
But I believe some experience could help him in at the very least not turning the ball over, which has been the major issue of his hopefully short tenure around here. He’s also lacking the weapons a lot of QBs have to mask their inefficiencies (o-line giving 4 and 5 seconds to throw the ball, allowing receivers to get open, and guys with magnetic hands).
Dang... silver lining
I just looked at a mock draft site and they had Michael Floyd going to us… that would be very nice.
This season reminds me of the movie "Titanic". Where we looked so incredible and poised for greatness led by arrogance from our GM, a major hit to the most important position on our team sunk our season.
Caleb Hanie is everything that a QB is NOT. Poor decisions, poor throws, poor fundamentals. Where Jay Cutler had 13 TDs compared to just 7 INTs in his 10 games where the Bears went 7-3, Caleb Hanie has 3 TDs compared to 9 INTs in just his 4 games this season, where we are 0-4. The Bears need a new back-up, and perhaps Martz was right all the long about his situation at QB behind Cutler.
Where I pray Johnny Knox makes a full recovery and his career remain intact, WR has been the largest issue all year. Roy Williams deserves some respect for taking the blame for his QB, but overall despite being such a small contract he is a bust in Chicago. Bennett has virtually dissapeared from the scene since Cutler got sidelined 5 weeks ago. There is no denying it, the Bears must land a talented vet from FA to man one of the starting wideout spots.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 9:18 AM CST reply actions
Hate to Billy Zane on your parade,
but your metaphor would imply that the actual boat was arrogant.
The boat was arrogant, it thought is was indestructible.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Dec 19, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know if the BOAT thought that but its owners, architects and crew certainly thought that!
by frenchbears113 on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yup
That was the point I was trying to make with that metaphor.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
And I just had a nice breakfast with the family before I saw that....
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I told you to....
stay out of my windows, a-hole! Now look what you did!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Close those legs!
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Didn't watch the game - couldn't - only saw the result and the lowlights.
This season is over for us. All we can do now is look to next year and finding the pieces we need to improve our squad.
Thing is, the needs we have are the same they were at the end of last season;
1. A couple more beasts on the OL
2. A TRUE #1 Receiver
3. More Talent in the Secondary
4. A REAL Backup QB
We are much more fortunate than most teams in that we have some pieces in place to build with; a Franchise Caliber QB, a very good RB, and several outstanding, Pro Bowl Caliber players on defense. The rest of this season should be dedicated to seeing some play from our backups and those who need more game time experience. Threat the last 2 like the first 2, pre-season.
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Since we can’t suck for Luck, maybe they suck for Floyd.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions
Dont forget that this draft would be great to pick up a linebacker in the first couple of rounds.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
The D may only have 1 good season left, 2 tops. Not only do they need some OL and WR help but they need LB, DE and CB depth.
Wootton doesn’t look good, Izzy is ok but in the last year of his contract, Davis is decent depth and Pep will at some point start to slow down. Tillman is getting older and hasn’t looked so good since shutting down Megatron, Jennings has looked awful the past few games and Bowman is just bad. Briggs and Lach are getting older so their heirs need to be found as well. There are so many needs on this team and it’s going to take at least 2 solid drafts to be set. As long as Angelo is the one drafting that ain’t gonna happen!
by frenchbears113 on Dec 19, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
But...Wootton is the Favreslayer!!!!!!!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
And that's all he's done. Commendable? Absolutely! But when you get outplayed by a Free Agent pickup in mid-season that says a lot.
by frenchbears113 on Dec 19, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Sadly that is true...
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Eh,
I’d say that the D has 2-4… not 1-2…
He’s 33. He can be 35-37 and still play at a high level i think. This year really solidified that there is definitely life after 30 for LB’s in the system.
Peppers? Why not?
If anything in 3 years, he’ll be playing like a great DE as opposed to Julius Peppers.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Many people believed Peppers would have a down year
He’s having arguably one of his best this season.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
This.....
Not to mention that people were saying the same 1-2 year window crap after 2006 and here we are five seasons later saying the same things. The Bears will continue to plug in new players. As long as Smith is here, this defense will be competitive at least.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Examples.
2008: http://theredzonereport.com/2008/06/21/will-grossman-take-advantage-of-last-chance-in-chicago/484/
2007: http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2007/10/28/162347/38
something like that.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
thank you. :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
except
once Peppers, Briggs and Urlacher are gone, how do you replace that, especially since JA hasn’t drafted well at LB or DE lately
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Hasn't really draft in those spot at all lately.
Roach was a good pick. Okwo an Freeman were unfortunate (especially the heart issue, cause I actually loved the Freeman pick when it was made). Wootton has been hurt by injury. Other than thatm the Bears haven’t drafted a DE since Bazuin, who was also destroyed by injury.
I’m the first guy to dogpile Angelo about offense, but I’ll stand and defend him on the defensive side. He’s more successful there than most GMs on that side of the ball. Of course there are some stinkers and a lot of bad luck. But if you look at the best drafting organizatyions in the league, you’ll see similar problems. The tunnel-vision we have as fans tends to keep us from noticing just how many botched picks and bad luck picks even the best GMs in the league end up with.
I can’t stand Angelo, but let’s face it, We’ve heard these same things before. What would we do about Azumah? Tillman. Holdman and Colvin? Hillenmeyer and Briggs. Ogunleye? Peppers. Brown? Idonije. Brown and Green? Manning and Harris. Manning and Harris? Conte and Wright.
Urlacher is a special case. He’s far more frightening than Peppers or Briggs (who I think is a bit over-rated by us as Bears fans). Good pass rushers are a dime a dozen, and every time Briggs is out, his replacement fills in admirably. But Urlacher is more important than people realize. But I think his replacement may already be one the team. It’s no guarantee, but I think DiCicco was brought in and is being groomed for just that purpose. Former college safety converted to linebacker due to size, but has above average speed for an LB. Considered a heady and coach-able player. give a kid like that a few years to learn under Urlacher and Babich and I think they could already have the guy they like and are moulding. Of Course, that’s my speculation. But we do know they are working with him at MLB and his background does fit the mold.
The point, though, is that this is a common theme every year and has been for a long time, yet the Bears keep plugging guys in, and remember that tillman, Peppers and Briggs are guys who were plugged in to replace other key players who were aging. The next group will be there too.
Angelo’s defensive picks haven’t all been busted, remember. Roach, Moore, Melton, Paea, Wright and Conte are all players Angelo drafted, too.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 20, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
Anderson busted out after a good rookie year, Bauzin was a pick that everyone hated
Even if DE was a need at the time, all the late round guys Jerry always uses the 6-7th rounders on never did anything (not shocking lol) Roach wasn’t drafted by us, he was an UDFA signed by San Diego, Melton has been really good, Paea solid, Wright has flashed as has Conte. I just don’t trust Jerry in the draft room anymore…
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NEEDS
our needs seem greater than the draft. when the management pick players that don’t seem to work!!!
I hope Knox will be okay
And other than that I have nothing else to say because this isn’t a gamethread and I can’t be as eloquent as I would like to be…
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Yes, Yes, I hope Knox is ok and well and live long and prosper.
But the fact is this. Knox was really hurting this team more then ever. This is now third year in the league and he has not shown anything regarding improvement. His fundamentals are horrid and makes only so few big plays. He will never be a complete WR, so how many more chance are we gunna give him? Also, who say that he’ll be the same player after this injury?
I want Knox to play again and walk again, but not in Halas Hall. The Bears should release him.
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His fundamentals have been better this year than ever? What were you watching? I’ve been one of Knox’s most outspoen critics and even I recognize his improvement. He was the only receiver getting regular separation, has gone from 11 interceptions targeting him to 2, has increased his catch percentage by five percentage points, is running better routes and has done more to help the quarterbacks than any other receiver on the team. He’s improved in every measurable except yards after catch per reception.
Does he have more work to do? Yep. But he’s shown improvement and is, as of right now, arguably the best receiver on the team. Why do Bears fans insist on releasing players who are up and coming and learning well? Forte ’09 comes to mind.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking more like Dusty Dvorcheck...
but either way, I just want to see the Bears put Knox in a better position. He’s a classic #3 slot WR like Lance Moore. He’ll be better than your 3rd best WR but never your primary target. He can take 75% of the snaps in the slot and let Hester pick up the other 25%. Both guys struggle to get off the LOS, but can use their speed and lateral quickness to create separation if they don’t get jammed (which is easiest off the LOS IMO). They are the “speed” guys who can take the top off a defense and if the Bears can get a compliment for Bennett who is that true #1/primary WR, the Bears can fill in the #5/#6 slots with guys like Sanz and other ST players. I think Knox has a place here in the Chicago offense and other than trading him for a draft choice, I don’t see the Bears recouping the value out of what they might receive in trade for him.
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I disagree.
I don’t think Bennett is a true #1. I think he’s best fitted to the slot where he would spend most of his time in the middle of the field while I think Knox is best suited to the #2 spot.
the Bears don’t have a number 1 receiver, and the closest thing they do have is actually Knox, who can actually create some separation in that role, unlike Bennett, who has disappeared over the last few weeks as the Bears have tried to place him in the X slot and have totally removed him from the equation.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
I worded that badly...
What I meant was the Bears need to get a #1 WR to pair with Bennett (whom I see as a solid #2). Bennett can be that intermediate guy who gets needed first downs in traffic and work the 3-7 routes on the tree. Basically he’s good at working outside in and being the classic possession WR. If the Bears could get that genuine #1 prototype WR who can draw consistent coverage assignments, then Bennett, Knox, Hester, and even Forte and Davis all get better looks. Plus, it takes some pressure off the o-line as the opposing teams cannot load the box as consistently.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
And with the rewording, I agree almost completely.
Still like Bennett better from the slot, where his monster presence across the middle would have to most impact. but other than that, I agree.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 20, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
Hawk fan here.
Pray that Tim Ruskell (one of your GM’s underlings) doesn’t get the GM job.
Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter
Thanks. And we pray for that daily.
Only the evil of Ruskell could make us actually want Angelo to stay on.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Dec 19, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions

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