The Jerry Angelo "Pat on the Back" Poll
I've been holding onto this thought during the Bears' winning streak, and despite the loss last week to the Raiders on the road, we're still right in the mix for the playoffs. So while most prognosticators saw the Bears fading back from the elite to the mediocre this year, the Bears instead are left with a chance to still do some damage barring two things: Hanie does enough to help the team win enough to get to the playoffs, and Cutler comes back for a playoff run. So, does this (so far) successful season mean its time to give Angelo some credit for this team? Hold off on the vitriol for a moment and hit the jump.
The Chicago Bears' fanbase is justifiably teetering between annoyance and hatred when it comes to any Jerry Angelo move. We're not going to go back and analyze his history of dubious draft picks or free agent moves to give credence to these feelings, because his track record is undeniably sketchy at best, or downright putrid at worst. And while its worth mentioning that we as fans crave the best player available be added at almost every turn (Asomugha, Mankins) regardless of the plausibility of such a move, we also want to see moves that are obviously progressing our team's chances for success, rather than dubious or downright laughable ones (hello Frank). However, we are going to look at this offseasons moves at a glance, and you can determine for yourself whether you give Jelly any, all, or no credit for the Bears' year thus far.
The ironic thing about this offseason's moves has to be that the two pickups the majority of us lauded as solid - the Carimi and Paea picks - have had a relatively minor impact this year. Carimi's out for the year after suffering a dislocated kneecap in week two, while Paea has only played in six games this year, registering six tackles and one safety sack. On the flip side, Jerry's "what the truck" draft pick Chris Conte was elevated into the starting lineup early in the season and has played solidly next to Major Wright (another Jerry pick possibly/finally coming into his own).
While the rest of the Bears' draft hasn't provided much anything in terms of on-the-field impact (Enderle and JT Thomas), Dane Sanzenbacher has been a pleasant surprise as a quality possession receiver for depth purposes this year (yes, he's not a stud, but he's better than the laundry list of guys we've had as #4-#5 wideouts, especially from a potential/early production standpoint).
We decried the Olin Kreutz situation, and the lack of addition to a terrible O-line, but bringing back Edwin Williams, adding Spencer, and sliding over Garza has worked. The Olsen trade was divisive, but it did bring back a high third round pick and help the team remake the position with Spaeth and Davis as true block-first, catch-second tight ends. We wanted a top-end wide receiver, and instead got Roy Williams. Disappointing? Yes, but we do have a big receiving option now to go with our treasure trove of second-tier wideouts.
Speaking of free agency, Marion Barber has been everything we wanted Chester Taylor to be, Tyler Clutts has been a pleasant surprise, and Sam Hurd brought some talent to a gutted special teams group. Adam Podlesh isn't Brad Maynard, he's been better (only two touchbacks, 40.7 yards net), and while Gholston didn't make it through preseason, Amobi Okoye's been an occasional cog on the D-line wheel.
We brought back Corey Graham, who has been huge in both the return coverage aspect and while filling in for D.J. Moore, shuttled away last year's best safety (Chris Harris) while adding the merry head hunter, and have survived with almost no linebacker and defensive end depth to speak of. And even if you go the "Spaeth and Barber only negate the turrible Taylor and Manu signings" route, at least management made those corrections.
So, just looking at this offseason's moves and how they have affected the Bears' season thus far, where do you stand on the Jerry Angelo Pat on the Back scale?
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I have liked the moves he's made this year, but I've never been an Angelo fan
Marion Barber, Matt Spaeth, Sam Hurd, Adam Podlesh have all really contributed to the team’s success. Conte is turning into a nice draft pick in the 3rd round. The negatives to me are Roy Williams and Brandon Meriweather. Re-signing Corey Graham was a good move as well to help out the ST
To be honest
and I am NOT a Roy fan, but during the 5-game win streak Roy was coming into his own. Then Jay got hurt and I imagine Roy will go back to not doing much – but even he wasn’t as awful of a pickup as I think many of us expected coming into the season.
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Roy provides a change-up like Joe said
and Brandon depth at a position that’s sorely needed it for years. Not world beaters, but good to have on your team for virtually no risk.
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Angelo is kinda hit or miss...
like every GM, but he has done well this offseason in FA. I still think he tries too hard to find “value” over actual talent in his drafting. The problem is that his misses are BIG misses. It’s great to swing for the fences, but if that’s all you do, you tend to strike out way too often. The absolute best of JAs moves are in FA, but that’s mostly because his drafting has been so poor. The one guy who, to date, has impressed me is Conte. IMO, he was a huge overdraft and likely to either flame out quick or never see the field. In truth, he’s been better than average as a starter in his first year and that’s saying a lot considering his position. In all, I’d rather see JA and Ruskell find other places to be, but this season’s FAs have been good overall, so give JA some of the credit he has earned.
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Big miss + value drafting
I think you actually hit a ton of his issue there. He tries to spot the guy “everyone else missed”, and more often than not, that guy bombs out. His problem isn’t that he’s a home run hitter. It’s that he’s a singles hitter that never walks and strikes out alot.
Continuing the baseball analogy, his year he’s had a couple singles (spencer, spaeth, podlesh), and a couple doubles (barber, conte), a few groundouts (williams, akoye), and took a walk (carimi). No K’s. The problem is, for him, this is a hot streak.
another problem was with paea-why wasn't he on the field more at the start of the season??
That’s a 2nd round pick and the guy was inactive quite a bit.
Performance?
Maybe he wasn’t outplaying the other guys. Reasonable to expect him to win a rotation spot, but I don’t know that you should expect more year one. Fairley is a rotation guy in DET, and he was thought to be a top 5 guy pre draft.
He traded up cause Marvin Austin was gone
and they wanted one of them, so they took no chance. Paea hasn’t been playing football that long yet, so let’s hope he just needs some coaching. I think he’ll do fine, just needs a little time.
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Consider that Paea had a 1st round grade on him
And it was a pretty good trade
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 2, 2011 4:14 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
he was highlighted in USA Today's draft guide as well
hopefully Gabe Carimi comes back from his injury, it’d be good to see the 1-2 picks from a draft pan out
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both are talented … this could be one of the finer classes if these two pan out
by Sound_Automatic on Dec 2, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
especially when you consider it was 08 the last time we had 1-2 picks in a draft
C. Williams, Matt Forte and when you add in Bennett in the 3rd Rd, very solid. The 11 draft will get even better if Conte improves as well
Okoye is a groundout?
Not a good analogy, cause he’s been solid.
You can’t predict a future injury; bad luck for Carimi.
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he deserves some credit for the guys like barber, spaeth, hurd, podlesh, spencer
but these draft picks he makes just haven’t done enough to warrant more praise. I’d add that he has to draft the replacements for guys like Urlacher, Tillman, etc. in coming years and he hasn’t proven he’s the guy most fans want making those selections. He’s done a nice job filling holes in FA though.
Losing olsen I think was still a major gaffe
Capitulating to inflexible employees (Martz) does not show good judgement.
by Sound_Automatic on Dec 2, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Also, losing a guy you can't replace except for a 1st or 2nd round pick
For a third round pick is silly. I think the value of a true pass-catching tight end will become more apparent when Martz rides himself and his dogma out of town. I also think fans have greatly exaggerated the difference in blocking between Olsen, Spaeth, and Davis. In general, I think that this was a very stupid move. But JA has had some expected hits, though none with the talent level of the departed Olsen.
by Sound_Automatic on Dec 2, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think you can replace the productivity in the red zone if you sign Vincent Jackson in FA
But not having a true pass-catching TE really hurts, you’re right
Vjax would be great
Perfect fit; would be the tallest and best receiver at once
by Sound_Automatic on Dec 2, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
And maybe our corners can learn to cover him in pratice.
To better deal with a receiver of his strengths. He sure tore us up this year.
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It hurts so bad that we are actually doing better in the redzone this year without Olsen
It hurts so bad to lose Olsen that the Offense is scoring more points now thanwhen we had him.
Not to mention the comedy of watching Olsen get knocked on his butt by 5’9" DB’s.
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Thank you
Olsen is as soft as Charmin….I know, I had to.
He’s vastly overrated in my opinion. One-trick pony in the truest sense. They can find a guy in the 3rd round next year that can do a little of both. Spaeth and Davis have been pretty good.
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A little credit
but I think Tice gets more credit for the line than Jerry for finding the right pieces
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And it looks like Jerry has also locked up our best WR with Earl Bennett agreeing to a 4 year extension
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 2, 2011 4:03 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
yeah, liked this move and the garza extension before that
good to see the underrated guys being rewarded
Now all that's left is Forte
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 2, 2011 4:12 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
meh
if we get a solid DE in FA or draft Izzy isn’t of the utmost importance.
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Izzy is a perfectly average DE. He holds his spot and makes Pep doubles harder.
He’s not a great DE. He’s an average one. He can play all 4 DL positions adequately. He takes up space, allows little in the running game, and contains quite nicely. He’s not a sack or a pressure machine. He’s perfectly average, and he works his tail off.
And he'd be on the bench
If any of Angelo’s three trillion (approximate number) D-line draft picks had panned out. I love Izzy, but I love him like I loved H.H. – great guy, good bench/role player.
If its free, take two.
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he would the the perfect depth guy…not a starter
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I was mixed on it
Nice to have garza back, but has an “i’m done!” feeling to it when my hope is for a continued infusion of talent to the o line
by Sound_Automatic on Dec 2, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think this was a strong offseason for Jerry
He’s going to need to keep the hits coming if we’re going to be able to stay competitive in the North. Detroit is getting close to hitting the ski-jump part of the growth curve.
have to build through the draft, FA is also important
but the draft is necessary if you want to have long term success
^ This
The great news is we may have the O-line finally figured out for years to come. Now we can start building around Cutler, Forte, and the O-line by adding talent to the perimeter.
We already have at least 1 good receiver in Bennett, now let’s add some more pieces.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 2, 2011 4:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
you're right, hopefully the young guys on the O-Line continue to improve
and it’d be awesome to sign a true difference-maker like Vincent Jackson in FA
that is definitely a need in either this draft or the next one
This is year 12 for Urlacher and year 9 for Briggs. I would add another CB with Peanut Tillman in his 9th year as well. Have to start planning for the defense’s future. That would be a great way to start.
this draft, and the next one (and probably the next one)
We just rely on them too much to avoid a serious decline without new high end talent
by Sound_Automatic on Dec 2, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Shadow Urlacher.
Do everything he does. And do it better.
Recipe for ultimate offseason
Hire Norv Turner as the OC if Mike Martz is indeed done in Chicago, and bring in Vincent Jackson into the receiving corps.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Dec 2, 2011 5:14 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
No. No more Turners . No.
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by suckmyditka on Dec 2, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can tice pull of a coryell offense?
Cause he’s certainly a great coach
by Sound_Automatic on Dec 2, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Give him the Martz playbook
And let him call the plays.
No but you know who can?
Martz. I doubt he’s going anywhere
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Norv has always been a very good coordinator
Miles better than his brother and his scheme runs on the same principles and verbiage as Martz. If you like the offense the Bears have been running in the second half of the last two seasons then Norv is the man for the Bears.
Now would he want to come and be a coordinator for the man who fired his brother?
Jerry deserves some credit
but most of it goes to Martz, Tice, Marinelli, and Lovie…all of whom have turned the raw talent on this team into something more…
Of course, Having guys like Garza, Urlacher, Briggs, and Peppers helps…
I’m still not over his past knocklehead moves, lets win a Championship, and we’ll grade him then. Up to this point he is mid pack, with plenty of misses and a few good hits.
by transylvanian bear on Dec 3, 2011 6:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions
People should be careful what they wish for
Angelo isn’t perfect (no one is) but he is better than league average both in free agency and the draft.
by weepingbear on Dec 3, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
My main criticsim of Angelo this year
is that Omiyale and Stelz are on the roster. Both suck when asked to play, badly. You could argue that between them they have cost the Bears at least two games this year. Finding the spare resources to add a decent swing tackle and fourth safety isn’t easy (or more teams would have better swing tackles and safeties) but if Jerry had managed it the Bears wouldn’t have had to play the cretins in question.
OK maybe that is a bit strong for Steltz
But I do still have painfull flashbacks of watching him fail to cover anybody and miss loads of his run fits against the Pack. The Bears may as well have played ten men.
Conte was going to be a hit
The guy was a stud at a position that he played for only one season. Has natural skills to be a FS for years- speed, quickness, awareness, tackling and ball-skills.
JA has proven to us that patience in regards to the O-line was needed. Louis, Webb, Garza, Spencer and Williams have all been good after a very rough start.
I still like the Meriweather pick up cause it adds much needed depth to an important position in their scheme. It’s been a shuffle since M. Brown.
Okoye has been a pleasant surprise. Not great, but good.
A- or B+ for JA and his staff.
They need to build on that success along the line, WR, LB, and DE. Wouldn’t hurt to get another CB into the mix next season (draft). I like the Carr idea.
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