Ugh, You Again: Week 17, Minnesota Vikings
So the season will end this week against the Minnesota Vikings. What could have been a victory lap for the Bears as they head into the playoffs will instead be a team scratching to reach the .500 mark with barely half of the original offensive starting eleven still standing. Really amazing how the season took a turn for the worst so quickly. But despite the lack of post-season football, there's still plenty to look forward to about this game.
All year, in these rematch games, I've dispensed with the normal format - Let's do it one last time. After the jump, we'll take a final look at what the Vikings will bring to the game on Sunday and what the Bears can learn about their team heading into golfing and baseball season.
Since We Last Played... The Vikings left their first matchup with the Bears at 1-5, having been pounded 39-10. They've been in a fair amount of upheaval since then, having benched and later released starting quarterback Donovan McNabb in order to play first-round pick Christian Ponder. Ponder himself has been benched on occasion for gimmick QB/WR Joe Webb, who's sparked the team when he's been in. And now that Ponder left the Redskins game with a concussion, there's some question whether it will be Ponder or Webb hitting the field at noon. We already know Adrian Peterson is out, tearing up his knee just plays before Ponder's concussion and putting the start of his 2012 season in jeopardy, and Toby Gerhart takes over.
So What Can The Bears Learn? Several things, actually.
The Backup Quarterback: Lovie has said this game isn't a tryout period, but in a way it is. If Josh McCown has a decent game, coupled with his Green Bay effort, the Bears may be looking for a backup quarterback, and McCown may have done enough to earn a contract offer next year. I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of it - neither Green Bay nor Minnesota's defenses are particularly frightening, so good showings against those don't mean a whole lot - but a veteran quarterback that knows the system that can play a little (meaning no, Todd Collins, we don't need your services...) makes a lot of sense. And if McCown stinks out loud, Nathan Enderle could see some significant snaps. If so, it makes Caleb Hanie's departure a bygone conclusion (if the prior four games hadn't already indicated that).
Backup Running Back: Sure, Kahlil Bell looks like he could be a decent backup option to Forte, but he's so similar to what Forte already does and he's already expressed his desire to be a starter in the league that I'm not sure if he'd return to Chicago next year as a backup. But Armando Allen might be trying to play his way into at least a number three role for next year if Bell or Barber don't come back.
The Value of Forte?: Let's think about this. Forte's been excellent this year, really and truly, until his injury. Yet Marion Barber gets a start and puts up 100 rushing yards. Kahlil Bell gets a start, 100 rushing yards. Okay, so Barber's and Bell's starts came when Cutler went down and the running backs had to be leaned on more. But Forte's got a 4.9 yards-per-attempt on the year, Bell has 4.6. Both of those are still really really good. So is it that the offensive line is actually good at something?
Forte's stats this year show a 9.4 yards-per-reception, where Bell is only a 7.5, but both have one receiving touchdown on the year. Forte might excel as a receiving back, but Bell isn't exactly lacking there either.
I'm not advocating this at all, but is it possible with another good game by Bell, if that the Bears look away from paying Forte the 8+ million of the franchise tag for the smaller price tag and slightly less production of Bell?
The Offensive Line: The same old debate about the protection. Can J'Marcus Webb and Lance Louis (or Frank Omiyale) stand up to Jared Allen and Brian Robison again? The first matchup, they both needed a lot of help from max protection to stop two powerful pass rushers. At this point, it's time to figure out who the weak link is and upgrade at tackle.
Safety Dance: Chris Conte is down for the year. Chris Harris was waived. Can Brandon Meriweather show that he deserves a place on the roster next year and finally screw his head on straight? And can Major Wright do the same?
Cornerback: Zack Bowman looked miserable on Sunday night. Do the Bears put Tim Jennings back out there again? Does Corey Graham get a shot at #2 and DJ Moore back at the nickel? And how much of a need is cornerback next year?
Does the Pass Rush Need More Help?: At times, the pass rush has been dominant. At times, it's not even there. Is Corey Wootton a bust? Do the Bears need to spend another draft pick on a defensive end?
No, not all these questions can be answered on Sunday, but the team can learn some things about themselves heading into the off season.
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With regards to the Bell-Forte situation
I know the topic was discussed somewhere before (NFL.com maybe)
As much as I hate the idea, it’s very plausible. Why? Football is a business.
Yes, Forte is one of the top backs in the league. However, if Kahlil Bell – a guy hungry to prove himself – can put up similar numbers for much, much less, than what’s stopping the Bears from going with that option?
As has been proven in the last 5 weeks, Cutler is the focus of this offense. He makes it work. Literally. The Bears need to do what’s best for the team and build around Cutler.
Note: I’d really, really love to have Forte back. Long-term. This is purely hypothetical.
Agreed on all counts
Especially on having to expressly note that I love Forte and want to see him in a Bears uniform for life.
Bell wants to be a starter
Heck, every bench guy wants to start, but that doesn’t mean he should. Bell’s been solid but should be given a modest contract to return and compete for the backup job (which I think he wins with Barber as the short-yardage guy). I fear management is already considering the “dump Forte/use Bell” scenario, though I can’t believe they would actually do it.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Dec 28, 2011 3:58 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Bell
Didn’t he fumble twice in his one big start? Why is everyone overlooking that?
Yes. Yes he did.
I didn’t consider it relevant when discussing the offensive line’s potential impact on running the ball. But I agree, it is cause for concern.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 28, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
And if Bell's in the future plans,
they’ll probably work with him more on his carrying.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 28, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
i have one fear with Bell
is he Adrian Peterson (not the one in Minn) all over again? A good game here and there but when given the ball too often his status as a back up is solidified? If that is the case, can we truly judge it off two games vs GB and Minn?
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I wouldn't advocate it.
It’s one thing to play for a prominent backup role, it’s another to jump from third-string to starter based on two games against below average yardage defenses.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 28, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you and TJ below as well
and I am not against his returning, as a back up
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Backup only, for me also. I hope Forte is here for a long time, we need to stabilize the offense, not dismantle it every year.
by transylvanian bear on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying Bell's terrific
And he might be AP (the Bear version) but with Barber on the roster its not like we’re screwed if Bell struggles in a relief role. I want him back cus its one less roster spot to be concerned with.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Dec 28, 2011 5:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
+1...
This is truth. K Bell is a good back-up and I like the way he always looks to make the most of every play. He keeps his legs driving, he cuts back and gets that extra 1-2 yards when the hole is filled, and he runs good routes as a RB. He’s truly a Forte light. If the Bears retain Barber or decide to bring in another Barber-like short yardage guy, K Bell is a great fill-in and safety net for Forte. He needs to get better at blitz pick-ups and overall blocking techniques, plus get the fumbles under control, but IMO, he’s solves the back-up RB position.
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The lesser AP was a different situation
He never really had several games showcasing his ability, like Bell has… plus, Bell has been THE changeup back in quite a few games (starting in the game where he broke off the big one in his first RA), where AP was more of a 3rd string becoming 2nd string type. There are a few more games of seeing what Bell has behind what he’s done this season. I think it’s pretty clear that Bell is much better than AP as a pure RB. Bell has more skills that good NFL backs have, where AP kinda got by on his athleticism. He also has a better pedigree as RBs go.
It's the only thing I dislike about Bell
I think otherwise, he’s a good all around back (proven), and has potential to be a pretty damn good all around back.
I also am hesitant to worry too much about fumbles… it’s kind of a SSS stat. A lot of players, especially running backs, have fumble numbers all over the map from season to season.
I've wondered about Bell vs Forte too...
But dismissed it because I think I (maybe everybody here) was making too much of his interest in being a starter. Hey TJ Shouse, you’re right—every player wants to start. Or if he doesn’t—he’s no good anyway! Proper response is to tell him—prove you’re better than the guy ahead of you. If he really IS, he’ll get there.
Meanwhile, I’m putting Forte beside Sayers, Payton, McAfee, Casares, Galimore, Nagurski…just ran out of time. Damn, we’ve had a lot of good ones!
Forte is my favorite player
almost, but in a trade, how good of an OT would he be worth? Maybe throw in a 3rd rounder? What Tackles would be worth that for the Bears?
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It won't happen
But I’d be in favor of it. RBs are expendable, a few times would be more than happy to take on a back like Forte.
Forte could probably help you move up to the top 5 in the draft (with other picks being involved on both sides probably) and help you get a standout player like Morris Claiborne (one could only DREAM). I’d say Forte plus our first round pick would be worth a #3-#5 pick, plus that team’s second round pick. I know it doesn’t sound like a good deal for the Bears, but high picks are like gold to teams (overvalued, I think).
AND it benefits ownership in that they can save some money on “paying the man” and instead put that money towards some impact FAs.
Yeah, probably wouldn't even think
of doing it for a draft pick. More like Forte + what pick(s) = Joe Thomas? Or how good is Jake Long, what is he worth to you?
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I'd be a little bit less in favor of
trading Forte for a player, and including draft picks. That’s also really uncommon in the NFL, so I wouldn’t hold out for it.
But also I’m in the camp that a big splash on the OL isn’t needed unless it can be done through FA, and only after CB and WR have been addressed. I think this OL has seen much darker days, and is on its way up under Tice, and with a healthier Williams and Carimi. So it’s a difference of opinion on the Long thing.
I don't have an opinion about Long
I was just asking you(or anyone) what you(or anyone) thought he was worth. So, I guess it is kind of a difference of opinion on the Long thing. If you really stop and think about it.
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Jake Long is a good tackle
I’m not sure he’s worth a Forte pick, and the Dolphins will likely have a high asking price for him…
I don’t know as much about him as some people probably do, as he’s an AFC player for a rather poor team that I simply haven’t watched much of. And I’d rather go by what I see with O-linemen than some kind of OL metric, in most cases, unless there’s enough opinion about him to sway me.
I doubt the Bears will be in on him… but who knows? I know he’s in the upper tier of tackles, and from what I’ve seen, I like. He apparently is a great pass blocker. But I think this line could be just fine with one solid FA acquisition.
Basically, I’m rather optimistic on this OL, though I probably shouldn’t be. And I’m not sure the Dolphins would be takers on Forte, given they have Bush and he’s running for once.
Yeah, forget Forte for that deal
I’d give this years 2nd round and next years 4th round for Long. Overspend a little for the best FA WR. And spend the 1st round and both 3rd rounders on defense. I think we’re really close sometimes.
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by Bearsh!tt!n on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
I am a huge fan of K Bell...
and I think he is a quality RB who should be kept. However, he IS NOT a replacement for Forte. Forte is a quality star at the RB position who has a level of talent that far exceeds Bell. Forte and Cutler are both proven stars at their position and should be kept. IMO, the Bears suffer from far to many 2nd tier guys at too many positions. While many of these guys (Bell included) are great back-ups and spot starters, they ARE NOT stars. The Bears need to add talent, not lose it, if they have any hope/desire to contend for the playoffs or better. If that means a franchise tag for 2012 to save money on Forte, then fine. IF the Bears get smart and spend some money on some WRs or DEs or O-linemen in FA, a franchised Forte makes business sense and allows for more talent to be added around him and Cutler; likely extending both of their careers. If his salary prevents the addition of better talent, he will end up like D Williams or countless other star RBs who will never survive long enough to fulfill their end of the big money deals.
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I am too
I’m usually very optimistic about players, but also am cautious about getting too worked up about anyone, but Bell has proven he has what it takes to be an NFL back, and I’m excited about his future with the Bears.
I brought up in a previous thread that what I like most is a Barry Sanders-esque ability to get away from defenders with agility and finesse. Not that he’s the next Sanders, but watching Bell reminds me of watching Sanders in the way that I’m often left wondering how he managed to escape defenders and turn a 2 yard gain into a 7 yard gain.
I think with Forte, Barber, Allen and Bell, the Bears have a great foundation of runners to go with. They also have a pretty good run blocking line that should only improve going forward, especially as they get healthier. If there’s something to be happy about right now, it’s that RB and DL, and to a lesser extent LB, are all locked up pretty tightly and shouldn’t need any draft picks used or any money spent in FA. Hopefully the front office focuses on tweaking the OL, bringing in a couple of productive receivers and improving the secondary.
I'm torn...
I have never been able to root against the Bears or hope they lose, even in meaningless games, even for draft position. I’m not about to root against them this weekend, especially since the difference in draft position couldn’t be any more than a couple spots and it’s in the middle anyway, but I kind of hope they can play this game as if it’s a preseason game – try to see what you’ve got both as “established starters” from last week, and going forward. Equal playing time for bench guys… let Urlacher, Briggs and Peppers take a fair amount of time off to start their offseason.
I think i’d like to see 2 quarters of McCown, 2 quarters of Enderle (won’t happen), and things split evenly between Bell and Allen for rushing. That’s what I mean by “like a preseason game.” It’d just be good to see what Enderle can do in a real game, even though it’ll be a small sample size. You simply don’t know what you have in a player until they take the field in a game that goes into the W or L columns. With a few real reps, you can at least have a slight idea about some things.
I think as much as anything, I’m curious to see what Enderle looks like under center.
So I want the Bears to win, but if they lose I can at least look at the few spots of draft improvement and not be at all unhappy.
More DJ Moore
Back at this Nickel…please and yes, CB is a need, either addressed in FA or 2nd/3rd round of the draft.
Do we have two 3rd round picks this year?
I want CB in the first round
if Kirkpatrick is available. I hope the Bears do not overlook him. Even JA, as derided as he is among Bears fans, should know well enough looking at the aging/slipping Tillman, Jennings and Bowman to see that we need an impact CB immediately.
I love DJ Moore.
Great point
neither Green Bay nor Minnesota’s defenses are particularly frightening, so good showings against those don’t mean a whole lot – but a veteran quarterback that knows the system that can play a little (meaning no, Todd Collins, we don’t need your services
Just wanted to quote this and comment…
I don’t think anyone should get too caught up in what McCown did, and I don’t think anyone is doing so anyway. Honestly, GB’s defense absolutely, positively sucks, and I honestly believe they will get destroyed by Brees and the Saints pretty soon.
That said, I do believe he showed for certain that he can handle the QB position at the NFL level. Even against the worst defenses in the NFL, you can tell if a QB is garbage and unsuited for NFL play. Caleb Hanie is garbage. McCown actually showed things, that, if you were watching him carefully, you would take positive note of. His ability to shuffle around in the pocket, use his feet, and buy a half second or second here or there. Make a 10-20 yard throw with some velocity on the pass. React to blitzes and the usual pass rush. And so on.
Don’t expect McCown to be much better than his very plain, possibly slightly below average career numbers, but do expect him to be able to win games like the Bears lost against Denver and Kansas City.
trade value
when people talk about trading quality player,s such as Forte, then yes we all know it,s a business.minnie will be looking for a quality back for next season. the tearing of a mcl and acl takes 12 to 18 months to fully heal. cases like Jamal Lewis and Culpepper et al prove this point. so lets go back to trading a quality player who plays in a position that the average lifespan of said position is 4 YEARS at best. who is to say that if a trade was benefitial to the Bears franchise that said player was traded to a rival we meet twice in a season. NO you do not take that route,you trade to an AFC franchise with a likely hood of not facing the player at all, unless both make it to the superbowl.now what sort of reward do you get for this said trade, no 1 wr and stud o-lineman from 1 swap? well that could solve a multitude of problems.But i want to keep Matt Forte as he is a proven solid running back, who is only going to get better as time goes on.
Just got one thing I want to say about this season.
#$^&.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by David in Maine on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Come add to my future suffering at http://www.skullsfortots.com
by Robert Rence on Dec 30, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
For the past 5 weeks we had the same feeling, but worst, since being 7-3 looked so promising. We get to see what we have for next year, of course we want to win, but at this point doesn’t matter that much draft wise.
by transylvanian bear on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions

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