The opposite view: Ask the Broncos

I really didn’t ask it to convice anyone about nothing when the subject is Tim Tebow. So don’t take this reply this way. I just want to make some adds on your points. Btw, you made some good ones…

First all, I don’t think it’s fair to compare him with Vince Young. Althought both are great athletes, similarities end there. I think neither Vick would be a fair compare, Tebow is a unique kid… If he will lead the Broncos to a Lombardi Trophy or not, it’s another subject, but the kid is putting Ws in our schedule. The question, for me, is to know how long he can keep doing that.

I agree entirely our D has a big role when talking about our wins. Without keeping the game close, it’s impossible to comeback (althought Tebow also made the 1st down by 15 with 2:44 on the clock comeback of the history). That’s what happened when the Denver Broncos were hammered by the Detroit Lions. However, I’d like to point that we weren’t running this scheme on that game yet.

I don’t think any other player could run an effective spread option offense, but Tebow. As I said, the point for me is to know how long it will last… Thank you for your thoughts, it’s nice to know how “outside” people see this big picture. If any other Bears want to expose your opinions, please do it…

First, Vince Young is a horrible comparison. Vince Young has never had half the heart or drive that Tebow has. He’s never been the leader Tebow is. He’s never worked as hard as Tebow worked. He’s never made those around him better on a consistent basis like Tebow has. And he’s never consistently made plays and won games in the dramatic fashion Tebow has. They both scramble. They’re both athletic. That is where the comparison ends. I’ll end the paragraph by encouraging you to try and find a couple first-round QBs over the last three decades that actually failed, but it has to be a QB that was a terrific leader and had a terrific work ethic to improve. These type of guys don’t fail very often. When you win like Tebow did in college, get taken in the first-round, and also have the work ethic and leadership of TEbow, it’s almost impossible to fail. Let me know what examples you come up with..

Which brings me to point #2. Tim Tebow isn’t a finished product. Look at him in the Miami game. In the Detroit game. And now look at him last week. He’s not a finished product. Nobody thinks he is. First it was that he couldn’t play QB in the NFL. Then it was that he’ll never be a starter. Then it was that he couldn’t win at this level. Then it was that he could never win when he needed to put up 30 points. He couldn’t throw to win. Now it’s that he can’t win in the playoffs. What’s next?

Tebow homers try to act like he’s accurate because of his college stats. He’s not accurate, yet. Tebow haters try to act like he’ll never get better – that we should judge him by what he looks like now. Both are wrong.

Tebow was probably the most raw QB to ever be drafted in the 1st round. He was so good in college that they never needed him to work on his fundamentals. His horrible foot work was a non-issue. He was never asked to read a pro-style defense. He never had to drop back from under center and turn his back to a defense. He never had to learn to make timing throws.

Tebow has the work ethic to fix these fundamentals. The talent is there. The work ethic is there. He’s just never been asked to do it. What he’s doing now, winning all this games in dramatic fshion and improving drastically every week… he’s essentially doing as a rookie. The rawest rookie to ever be drafted so highly.

Folks need to stop acting like he’s a finished product. He’s the first one there, last one to leave and he will literally be sleeping on the couch of the OC and position coach all offseason long. He will get better. And THAT is scary.

That’s more or less how I realize all this subject too. But le me aks you. If you were in the Broncos front-office and had to plan for the draft. Would you start yet this year building around him, or would you wait another more year? And if you started to do it now, what kind of backup would you look for?

And how do you see this over-talk about Tim Tebow everywhere in mainstream media?

The thing is I can respect someone’s opinions about Tebow, whether they’re positive or negative. But to act as if he’s somehow on par with the elite QB’s in the league is ridiculous. Now I know that no one here has made that claim but there are a lot of people who believe that. I for one think that if the guy works on his QB skills, he will last and will be a pretty damn good QB. I may not like the guy but as I stated I am certainly not rooting for him to fail and him winning doesn’t piss me off unless he beats my team lol…which sadly he has a great shot at doing this weekend.

There where times when all we needed was a QB to make a play, and he simply couldn’t

No matter how badly the Bears lose, it still only counts as one. But I’m not so sure they lose.

But the way the offense played last week, if not for the Hail Mary it could well have been a 3-3 tie.

playing behind our offensive line.

I even said “two weeks ago”. As in, why didn’t you already do it. I’d be mad at my coach in a similar situation. Cutler thinks that Farve would have come in for the right money. I realize the WCO is different and that he’s not used to this system or terminology. Still, Hanie is throwing three picks per game. At least Farve could throw TDs to go along with his picks. Even with his mistakes, Farve at least would be able to put points on the board…. even in a new system.

Part of what helped the offensive line look better was Cutler’s mobility/Houdini-ism and his quicker release/decision making. Hanie doesn’t have the latter, and he’s not quite sure what to do with the former. Favre might have a bit better passing ability at this point, but he’s got no mobility anymore and we know what an INT machine he can be. McNabb might not have much if anything left in that arm of his. Then even if they brought anybody in, he’d have maybe two or three weeks to learn Martz’s system from the ground up – and hopefully by then the Bears’ playoff chances haven’t evaporated into dust.

At this point, it’s probably best for the Bears to roll with what they’ve got – the “point of no return” so to speak. There just isn’t enough time to bring someone up to speed to keep the playoff hunt alive before Cutler returns.

We made the claim for Orton, then signed McCown immediately – bout the best we could do, sad to say.

At least he’s in football shape, probably cheaper, too.

in the last two season in offenses he understood. Why make it three. I truly like and respect McNabb and I hope he retires and preserves what’s left of his legacy.

Truth is, Hanie, who has been in the system for two years, gives the Bears a better chance to win than Favre or McNabb and stands a better chance of getting his feet under him than any QB out there coming into this system that has to learn it on the fly.

The exceptions to those rules would be Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger. And Bulger would probably die on the field behind this line, and that’s if he can remember where he is to start with.

and McNabb is fat and bad at football.

In my opinion they are knowledgable and fair.