Haynesworth "worth" a 7th rounder?
The article above says Haynesworth is about as good as gone in Washington. It says they may have to take as little as a 7th rounder in 2013 (I think he is being hyperbolic to be funny), but he won't be back with Washington.
Rumored destinations in the past have been Tennessee (probably no longer going to happen since the coaching staff has turned over) or the Eagles, where he'd be reunited with his former positional coach.
I can't think of a low-cost move that would have the potential impact of getting Haynesworth. He is a pocket-collpasing force when motivated, and I think getting out of Washington and their 3-4 defense and into a tradition 4-3 next to Peppers would be a good motivator. He would take the pressure off our corners because he and Peppers would give little time for WRs to get separation.
I think offering a 5th (with or without Tommie Harris) would get it done. His contract was severely front-loaded, so his cost in picks and money isn't too bad.
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They won't want Harris
But I’d take a flier on Haynesworth with a late pick
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 10, 2011 1:40 PM CST reply actions
5th rounder?
I’m in
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Feb 10, 2011 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd do it.
And if they want Harris they can have him…
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Is it possible to keep our entire DL
while adding Albert? I didn’t think so at the beginning of the playoffs. I’m still not convinced.
BTW, well worth almost any pick 3rd round or lower. Might be worth a 2nd or 1st. If we could snag him for a 7th two years down the road, that would be one of the biggest coups of all time.
No
No, no, no, a whole world of no. What has that fat piece of crap done in the last few years to make anyone think he’d be a good addition to even a practice squad?
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
He was
considered the most dominant DT in the league 2 years ago, and he’s still only 29.
Things have not gone well at all since he went to Washington. I don’t know what caused things to fall apart there, but I think it’s worth a 5th round pick to potentially get a dominant DT signed to a reasonable deal.
If everything was perfect with him we wouldn’t be able to get him at a bargain-basement price. Sometimes you have to take risks to hit home runs. People didn’t think Randy Moss was worth anything after he went to Oakland, and New England got him for a 4th rounder. That turned out pretty well for a few years.
DEJESUS!!!
Reality Check Here!
Will be 30 by start of season, 2 Tons of out of shape Flab, and a Royal F**K YOU Attitude towards the coaching staff and his teammates. We need this guy like a case of the “Clap”.
I wouldn’t take him for league minimum with a 7th round pick thrown in!!!
Having said that,
Go Bears!
pbanachi
He was out of shape and had a bad attitude
in Washington. That’s true.
But the year before that he was voted—by the players—as being the most dominant defensive player (not just DT) in all of football.
People thought Randy Moss was too slow and had too much baggage after his time in Oakland. Sometimes players just need to be in a good system with good coaching to succeed. We have perhaps the best D-line coach in football running our defense—if someone is going to get the talent out of Haynesworth, he’s probably the best candidate to do it.
DEJESUS!!!
A Changed Man!
This piece of road rage garbage just punched out a guy 3 days ago and last march was sentenced to driving 100 MPH and smashing his car into some other poor son of a bitch that he left paralyzed!
My Dad tought me “you are who you run with”!
Wanna rethink some other options?
Having said that,
Go Bears!
pbanachi
I don't know whether
what you say is true, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. If that’s the case, then you should want Briggs and Kreutz gone too, since Kreutz punched a teammate and Briggs was speeding too.
DEJESUS!!!
Not even close!
How can you remotely compare?? Two separete instances 2 & 3 years ago, 1. a Mano a Mano Olin & Fred and 2. Briggs fell asleep and didn’t paralyze anyone! …plus these are two different guys!!! Anyone else you want to include?
Albert is a One Man Crimewave!
And he’s regular!
Having rebutted your silly comparison,
Go Bears!
pbanachi
Briggs fled the scene of the accident
which says to me he was probably drunk (but that’s just speculation). But your point that he didn’t hit anybody is moot. He did something in a car (falling asleep at the wheel) that was highly dangerous to everyone on the road that night. Then he ran away before doing the right thing and calling it in. Just because no one got hurt doesn’t make it OK. But you are right, it is hard to compare the two when it comes to attitude or patterns of behavior.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
No comparison
Moss and Haynesworth are simply no comparison. Moss wanted a chance to win a ring. Haynesworth wanted to get paid. He did, and then he gave up. Why on earth would we want a guy who gave up on his team?
Doesn’t matter what the circumstances are or the history. He quit on his team and became nothing but a distraction.
We have a good clubhouse, full of high class guys with great chemistry. Why would you even want to take the chance and ruin that?
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
Hmmm...
Moss wanted a chance to win a ring.
so…..
He quit on his team
So b/c Moss wanted a ring it was okay for him to quit on his team?
WILDCARD BITCHES!!! YEEEEHHHAAAAA!!!!!
No
And if this were about Moss I’d say no to him as well. But there is a huge difference between a guy quitting on his team after he got a huge payday and a guy quitting on his team because they suck.
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
Indeed
A lot of Raider fans are still bitter at Moss, but I don’t blame him. They did suck, and at that time, there was no light at the end of the tunnel.
No, plain and simple
Sign Shaun Rogers, he is better and has played in this defensive scheme before. Plus, although I’m not certain I believe he is not much older than Worthless, rather Im sure he is younger or just as old to say the least.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 10, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions
Rogers is 2 years older
than Haynesworth and more of a 3-4 NT than a 4-3 DT.
I have no idea what your second sentence means.
DEJESUS!!!
Rogers played in Marinelli's scheme before.
From what I remember, he was pretty dominant in 07. Actually, for most of his time with Detroit, 01-07. Didn’t they play some variation on 4-3 C-2 for most of that time?
Also, I’ll take em both. Rogers AND Haynesworth. That would be a machine of a DL. Pep, Rogers, Albert, Izzy/Wootton. I’d put the o/u of sacks in a season at 50, and be pretty darn torn about the over or the under.
They played the same defense Lovie employs here in Chicago
I will say this about Haynesworth, as much as I despise him I believe in second chances. If he did somehow get picked up by the Bears (which I doubt) and he shows up with a good attitude, then Ill forgive him. Shaun Rogers, now, would be a better fit than Haynesworth.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 10, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Only if Haynesworth comes with a good attitude
Otherwise, no
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 10, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Because he has no idea what the second sentence means??
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
I apologize
The second sentance was basically me thinking Rogers was not older than Haynesworth. Wrong. And Rogers was at his best in a 4-3 under Hot Rod
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 10, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Don't apologize to me. I'm not trying to jump into anything here.
I’m not getting Doshi’s reference following this thread all the way through. I was being sarcastical. I’ll now fade to black…..
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Oh, your fine
I need to proof read my stuff before I publish anything
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 10, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
See mine right after!
No respect for anyone! His way or the Highway. Also stay off the Highway if he’s driving.
Go Bears!
pbanachi
Can the Bears work him out and take a look?
It would take about 5 minutes to see if this guy is serious about sticking around in this league or if he took his huge payday and is content rotting in a barco lounger for the next 40 years.
Any deal would have to be entirely performance related, like 100 grand base and more dough per tackle, sack, hurry, etc. Would be great to get him if he wants to play but thats a huge if with Albert.
Dont forget he had a pretty good game against the Bears and it was one of our loses this season.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Feb 10, 2011 6:44 PM CST reply actions
Simple
Make his contract based on incentives. Add a clause allowing the Bears to kick his fat behind out of the club with no compensation if he underperforms.
He has a lot of going for him, but reminding him face down against the Eagles, with Vick still scrambling just a few yards away from him, raises too many doubts about his desire to play to his best abilities.
He's already under contract
and most of the guaranteed money has already been paid. So if it didn’t work out, they cut him.
DEJESUS!!!
Not good enough for me
He also has the potential to be a negative influence on the whole locker room, even if he comes cheap.
If he comes, I want him producing, even if he’s only interested in getting his paycheck. Heck, if that helps him, even give him a bonus for every sack coming from his side of the line. Put him on high stakes – get even richer, or end up playing a season for peanuts.
That's easy to say
But some team will take a flyer on him so while stating base it all on performance sounds good, it is highly unlikely. It would require every other team saying no to any degree and him wanting to still play thus agreeing to play for almost all incentives.
Also if he is still under contract, all other teams would have to pass and the Skins agreeing to whatever the Bears offered, unless they cut him outright, then there is some clause stating we must lose people to sign people I believe.
I know that...
… but those would be my conditions. He isn’t a Fantuz, who will thank the opportunity to test for the NFL, and then return North of the border if things don’t work out. He’s a two-time all-pro, with a $100 million contract, with a lot of baggage behind him – There’s definitively some upside to him, but a lot of downside, too. It’s all on the price we pay for him.
Plus, but I’m surprised the owners aren’t pulling the Haynesworth card during the negotiations (at least publicly), It’s bad enough there are so many rookies who hold out for more cash before setting a foot on the pros and then can’t adapt, but seeing that from a veteran boggles the mind.
Do it
if he isnt any good cut him
A templar undercover named Keith Bogans trying to sabotage the Brotherhood's efforts using his mind tricks to the head of the Assassin order by the name of Thibs (thats it just thibs)
HE will fight and take on the Templars along with the Brotherhood, HE is Derrick Rose and he is an Assassin.
Nothing is true, Everything is permitted...
Why is it an either/or kind of thing?
Why can’t we have both of em?
There you go
Cage match, winner gets a jersey
by TheMan1 on Feb 11, 2011 9:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Best idea ever.
We can sell tickets in lieu of pre season football.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
I remain a pessimistically hopeful Bears fan.
Cuz haynesworth is going to want cash money
Rogers , comming off an injury and a down year, he will be sorta cheap
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
by suckmyditka on Feb 11, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Could you imagine a healthy Rogers playing nose and a blue chip like Corey Liuget ( our boy ) playing right next to each other
AND with Peppers and Idonije on the ends?!
That is downright scary
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 11, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget my boy Wootton
that kids gonna wreck people next season
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
He is pretty good
Already a legend in the NFL for ending Favre’s carrer. If he can get on the field a little more often I believe he will become an outstanding player
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 12, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Well dude has been compared to a young julius peppers
both in size an skill set.
Although honestly he doesn’t look as quick as peppers, but he looks a little stronger.
It’ll be his 2nd year under Hot Rod
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
You're correct sir
He does look like a young Julius Peppers. Anyone else seem to notice him blasting OTs when pass rushing? He could start next year if he has a solid training camp.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 12, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
he shoulda started this year he woulda had 10+ sacks
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
by suckmyditka on Feb 13, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Eh I think Idonije did a solid job this year as well
Wooton has learned well, and the future looks bright for the guy. Ain’t he a little bigger than Peppers?
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 13, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
I was noticing that, just wasn't sure
Anyways we can both agree that Wooton could be the breakout player next year along with Major Wright. With Wright I believe he simply made rookie mistakes and he has shown ability, just needed a year in the system.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 13, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Yes Wright is a straight baller dawgg
Although i htink he is more of a SS than a free safety. Dude can hit stick some people
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
by suckmyditka on Feb 13, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
He also has speed, sort of like a young Mike Brown
I watched him when he was a Florida Gator in that Cover 1 scheme they employed and he was all-over the place. The Tampa 2 demands safeties that can interchange roles at any given time. Now if you really want an interesting prospect at safety then look at his former teamate Ahmad Black. He is a ferocious hitter and is a ball hawk, like a young Attogwe. Something tells me that Jerry might have a few film sessions of him in his room, and might be a selection in the third round.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 13, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
right
I really hope the Bears grab Aaron Williams at CB. This dude is a perfect fit for the system we run
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
And hes not one of those guys that are the top targets in the draft
Easily could pick him up in the 2nd to 3rd round. And I agree with you again, he is a great fit, and you know Lovie and Jerry love to draft players from Texas.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 13, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
yeah definately
i wouldn’t mind seeing it like in the 1st if there isn’t a good OT left on the board take luiget, then in the 2nd take williams or w.e
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
one mock draft i saw
had the pats taking Luiget one pick before the bears in the 1st round, then had the bears taking carimi or whatnot, the OT
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
Im not really sure why the Pats would be interested in Liuget
They have their monster in Vince Wilfork at NT and Marcell Dareus is within range of them to aquire. Dareus is the kind of guy a team would want as a 3-4 end. Liuget…not so much. He is a better fit as a 4-3 guy at 3 tech. Now if he does indeed get robbed from us then I honestly would trade down because Carimi is okay but easily gets beat in pass protection by much smaller defensive players, perfectly demonstrated in the Rose Bowl. Plus, we could easily pick him up later and use the first second rounder on Phil Taylor then use the other second rounder on Aaron Williams. There are not too many “got to have” O-Lineman in the first round this year.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 13, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
He could, but knowing the Pats if a player such as Dareus is still on the board they are taking him
Liuget, to me at least, is better suited in a 4-3. Now, if he does somehow get selected before us, how about that giant Phil Taylor from Baylor? 6-4 337 pounds yet its all muscle, and he is still athletic enough to play as a giant 3 tech, as well as a super nose (a nose tackle that can make plays like nobody’s business, like Wilfork and Haynesworth before going to the Skins.)
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 13, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
the only problem with taylor is that
he has MAJOR character issues. Dude is a complete jerk. Not a guy i oculd see lovie wanting on his team
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
That is a really good point that I missed
However from what Ive seen he has calmed down a bit. So we will see. Hopefully Liuget will still be on the board. But now that you said it…I wonder if Taylor’s draft stock will go down low enough to where we can draft him in the later rounds of the draft.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 13, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Liuget AND taylor.. now THAT would be something sweet
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
by suckmyditka on Feb 14, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
Go for it
People change, he didn’t want to be in the 3-4 so he quit…red flag yes, but bring him in, maybe in a system where his number one requirement is getting to the QB and I bet he’d preform better. Plus with out semi deep group of 2nd tier DT’s (provided we draft another one in the 2nd to 4th rounds) we’d be solid at that spot regardless of how he played.
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
I would prefer Rogers
But…..I’ll admit everyone deserves a second chance. If we were to aquire him and he then explosively returns to greatness like Moss did in NE, then I suppose I couldn’t complain.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 11, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Still would take both if the money was right and both are "hungry" enough to prove themselves again.
We have ok defensive tackles, nobody that sets fear into opposing olines anymore. If somebody would raise the ghost of tommie harris and then a motivated rogers and haynesworth……… sounds too good to work out but I would like to see them check the tires so to speak.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". -Mark Twain
by pappabearhalas on Feb 12, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
All of our DTs are solid fits at 3 tech, none of them at Nose
Adams is the only one that could play there, and still he gets overpowered when somebody big and nasty gets on him. We need a comanding force and both Haynesworth and Rogers have played in the 4-3. I prefer Rogers, but if Haynesworth shows up for workouts and proves to us all that he is here to play football for the team and that he vows to become a changed man, then I believe in second chances. It did work for Vick.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 12, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Plus all we heard was how peppers was gonna pull a haynesworth......lol So you never know till you try.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". -Mark Twain
by pappabearhalas on Feb 14, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Well Haynesworth is now being accused of sexual assault
Thats basically the final nail to the coffin
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 14, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
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