How far are the Bears from greatness? - Part 2
My second and final part of this series will be focusing on the Defense; a side of the ball that's clearly in win now mode. The Bears could use a couple key pieces to make another run at a super bowl title. Impact players like Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, and Julius Peppers will all be back, to go along with some solid veterans in Charles Tillman, Izzy Idonijie, Anthony Adams and Pisa Tinoisamoa. While Bears defense might have a two to three year starting window, the talent behind the veterans indicates to fans that the defensive side of the ball will be in for some rough times once the window is shut. Angelo and his brass have their work cut out for them for the next three years trying to keep this defense from falling off, while at the same time putting respectable pieces around his biggest investment Jay Cutler.
The 2nd and final part of this series will focus on Lovie Smith defensive personnel, and see where it stands compared to the other 3 teams in the division.
Defensive Tackles: Packers ( B.J. Raji 24 & Johnny Jolly) Lions (Ndamukong Suh 24 & Corey Williams 30) Vikings (Pat Williams 38 & Kevin Williams 30) Bears (Tommie Harris 27 & Anthony Adams 30).
Packers are in tremendous shape at Nose Tackle if Jolly comes back to a team already with a dominate force in the middle in Raji. Lions are in great shape also at the position where all they need is to add some depth behind Suh and Williams. Vikings don't have much depth behind Pat and Kevin Williams, but Kevin Williams is still one of the best defensive tackles in the league, and Letroy Guion keeps Pat Williams fresh. The Bears are not in bad shape at DT, but they also not in great shape. Missing is that disruptive 3 technique that makes defensive ends life much easier. Henry Melton is a fine talent, but is a situational lineman and Tommie Harris might not be in the team's future plans. Anthony Adams and Matt Toeina are a solid nose tackle rotation, but they need more help from the 3 technique. I say the Bears are in alright standing here, and are one key piece away from being in good to great standing.
Defensive Ends: Bears (Julius Peppers 31 & Israel Idonije 30) Vikings (Jared Allen & Ray Edwards) Packers (Cullen Jenkins & Ryan Pickett) Lions (Kyle Vanden Bosch & Cliff Avril)
The NFC North has arguably the best defensive line tandems in the conference. At the same time, each team is an injury short of disaster because of no proven depth behind them. This is where both Cory Wootten and Henry Melton come to mind as the Bears need Corey Wootton to take that next step in his progression from a two stance defensive rusher to a three point stance rusher. Henry Melton has the tools to become a situational pass rusher on the end, but coaches need to give him more opportunities. The Bears are in good shape at the defensive end position as Peppers has about 3 years left until he declines. Idonije was a surprise this season and proven to be a solid starting DE, but the young talent behind Peppers and Idonije needs to start producing at a high level next season.
Linebackers: Bears Packers Vikings Lions
When it comes to Linebackers, the Bears are the class of the division. The Bears have two pro bowl caliber LB's, and 2 solid starting LB's. Brian Iwuh is a capable back-up that can fill in for a game or two, and Hunter Hillenmeyer if he doesn't retire is a solid back-up middle linebacker. Next off-season would probably be the year where they try to find Urlacher's replacement and groom him behind the vet. Other than that, the Bears don't have to worry about linebacker positions for a while as most of the guys are 30 and under. When it comes that time to address the linebacker positions, fans shouldn't be worried about Angelo finding talent as he has proven over the years he can.
Cornerbacks: Packers (Tramon Williams 27 & Sam Shields 23) Vikings (Antonie Winfield 33 & Cedric Griffin 28) Bears (Charles Tillman 29 & Tim Jennings 27) Lions (Chris Houston & Nathan Vasher)
This is a position that the Bears need to find some solid talent at starting this off-season. Tillman will be turning 30 next week, and while he did just come off maybe his best season as a Bear, you wonder how many years he has left in the tank with all the injuries he has sustain over the years. Zack Bowman and Tim Jennings are clearly not the answer at starter, and D.J. Moore is best at the NB position. Joshua Moore is a guy that I am really high on as scouts claim that he's strength is man to man coverage. The idea for the Bears might be to draft a CB to compete for a starting spot or develop behind Tillman for a year or two.
Safeties: Packers (Nick Collins 27 & Morgan Burnett 22) Bears (Chris Harris 28 & Daniel Manning 28) Lions (Louis Delmas 23 & Amari Spievey 22) Vikings (Madieu Williams 29 & Husain Abdullah 25)
Bears did a good job last year addressing the FS position in the draft with Major Wright. Now they need Wright to take that next step this year and win a starting spot at either safety position. If Wright turns out to be a pretty solid pick, the Bears will be in pretty good shape at the position. The perfect scenario moving forward into the future is Wright and Manning as your starting safeties because it gives you pretty athletic tandem in a division that has Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford at QB. The Bears are in okay to good shape at this position if they can retain Manning.
Football experts and Bears fans are right when they say this team has a 2 to 3 year window with this defense. When I look deeper into the roster, the team is an explosive 3 technique DT and a very solid CB away from getting over the hump and winning the Super Bowl. They still have players playing at a high level at key positions in this tampa 2 scheme, but are just missing those two positions that's keeping them back from taking that next step. It will be a tricky process for Angelo to keep adding talent to the defense when at the same time he has to build around his franchise QB. It will be interesting to see where this franchise is at under Jerry Angelo in 2 years.
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Overacheiving 8-8 team
That’s what the Bears are. The Niners and Lions are as close to the Super Bowl.
you're an overachieving 8-8 team
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
by suckmyditka on Feb 15, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
by suckmyditka on Feb 15, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
DT is fine
I feel we may be behind at DT compared to the rest of the NFC North but with our rotation I think we may be better than the aging Williams wall next year; even without Harris. Also I feel this unit, talent wise ranks in the upper half of the NFL.
At corner though it was very apparent we need an upgrade especially in the NFC championship game and games against the Pats, 1st Seattle game, Eagles and a few others.
We have just been on a rotation with our CB’s for the past few years after Vasher got injured and never was the same. Moore is great at NB but I don’t feel our collection of former starters (Bowman, Jennings, and Grahm) can compete with a strong passing offense. I was hoping last year that Bowman was the answer but after giving him the right side of the field he lost the job to Jennings after a few games. With the NFL being a more pass-happy league and to compete with GB I would like to see the Bears use a high pick or bring in a starting caliber CB
by Captain Kangaroo on Feb 15, 2011 7:52 PM CST reply actions
DT is not fine. Not by a longshot
Infact most people are caying it’s the Bears 3rd biggest need behind Oline and CB.
Bears have NO capable 3tech on the entire roster. As much as i would like to see tommie return to form, he jsut isn’t the same.
Honestly if the Bears don’t take a 3tech type DT in the first 3 rounds at some point i would be very surprised
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
DT is one of our needs...
We do need a dominate DT. I just don’t see it as much of a priority. We have 3 capable ones in Toenna, Adams, and Gilbert; and who knows, Harris might live to his hype for once. There is also Idonije that can move over and Wooten can take his place at end.
We had one of the top rush defense’s in the league last year, that is to say there was quite a bit of help from our LB’s, also we were great with stopping opponents on 3rd and 1’s and goal line situations.
I’m just sick of us getting burned with receiver’s having 100+ yard games against us. True this is the bend don’t break defense, and a dominate DT can go a long way in that, but finding a DT that can dominate at the end of the 1st round or in free agency more than likely isn’t going to happen.
I feel a quality CB from the second or third round can start opening day. Bowman, Grahm, and J Moore are all 5th round picks; DJ Moore a 4th; Jennings was a 2nd; but all he could do in Indi was play NB and at 5’8 we can’t ask him to cover people a half foot taller than him. The last 2nd round CB we got was Tillman and I feel he’s the only one that can do any sort of press coverage. There is hope with J Moore though, he’s supposedly good at man coverage
by Captain Kangaroo on Feb 16, 2011 1:42 AM CST up reply actions
Gilbert isn't even on the team dude.
And in this draft class there is a deep quantity of GOOD to Very good DTs. We could easily wind up with a Corey Liuget or this Austin guy, either one could come in and start from day 1. Liuget has even dran comparisons to Suh.
So for you to say we couldn’t find a dominant DT at the end of the first round is just a guess. Seeing as with this draft class Bears could easily find one in even the 2nd round. The top three needs for this team are Oline, CB, and DT. With WR commin in a close 4th. There are relly not going to be any quality 1st round talents left in the Oline category at the 30th pick, unless somehow Mike Pouncey sticks around, so therefore the BEars will have to take the best player available at a position of need, which means it will most likely be a Dt seeing as this draft class if full of good DTS
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
But we already have Marcus Harrison!
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Make way for the Corey Liuget club!
DT especially the 3 tech is a legit concern, as we need a dominate presence to return inside.
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 16, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think you see a wider window than I do
Our aging defense has 1 or 2 seasons at best in my mind. And that’s if they can stay healthy all season. I think the key to this defense moving forward is smart safety play. Not physical but smart. That’s what separated Mike Brown from anything we’ve had since. He was a great read and react safety. That’s what’s missing.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
Chris Harris is instinctive, but he lacks the athleticism to take it to another level.
Major Wright has the potential to become a pretty good safety, but just needs to stay healthy so he can gain valuable experience.
by Dominique Blanton on Feb 15, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with everything you've said
But I still want that “smart” safety.
If you can't laugh at yourself you must not be very funny.
HAHA!
Nathan Vasher is a Lion
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 16, 2011 8:38 AM CST reply actions
Well, sort of. He's a UFA this year...
yet another guy waiting on a new CBA.
Think he remembers the good old days?
A terrible resign
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 16, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Vasher is a good open-field tackler
After he’s allowed you a fifteen yard cushion.
Get a good DT if we have a chance in first 3 rounds, we’ll see what JA has up his sleeve.
by transylvanian bear on Feb 16, 2011 8:51 AM CST reply actions
Liuget! Liuget! Liuget!
(and maybe Phil Taylor of Baylor)
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 16, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Round 2, bro
I wouldn’t waste a round 1 pick on him. For whatever reason, I’m not convinced he can be an Immediate Impact player. He’ll be a starter and rotation guy for a long time. But we’ve got starters and rotation guys. I don’t see him as being a major upgrade to the players we’ve currently got. I’d prefer as many OL as we can get, our regular OL is truly that bad.
Phil Taylor might get dropped a few rounds because of reports on his poor attitude
I cant confirm but that is the word.
Round 2 is on. Liuget is in fact a legit upgrade as he would be the closest thing to Suh that we would have. Too many guys on the rotation can be predicted and as such a wise QB would audible to exploit that weakness. Liuget is great at stuffing the run and rushing the passer, a true 3 down lineman. To me, we don’t have a real 3 down lineman at DT
Erik Duerrwaecter
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 16, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
I would be satisfied with Cory Liuget, or Drake Nevis.
Phil Taylor I would pass on him as he is a pure 3-4 NT and wouldn’t be an ideal fit at the 3 technique.
by Dominique Blanton on Feb 17, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Also:
Time to start reloading the defense next year in the draft.
Just have to. If we want to have an elite defense, we need to keep plugging in depth holes.
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