Mocking the Mocks: Who they think the Bears will take
This time out the Mock Drafter that we'll break down is Greg Cox. Cox is a senior writer for The Football Expert.com and his most recent mock, as of March 18th, is up at Walter Football.com. He mocks out a full 4 rounds, and unlike some mock drafters, he seems to have an idea of the direction the Bears may go.
In the first round he has Chicago selecting big 6'8" offensive tackle Nate Solder form Colorado. He's not my favorite of the 1st round prospective tackles, but with this mock falling like it is, it's the right choice at 29. Here's what he had to say about Solder:
Offensive line coach Mike Tice did a David Copperfield job with his players and helped the Bears almost reach the Super Bowl. It would be unfair not to get him something to work with.
I am coming back to Nate Solder here because while he is a project, I feel Mike Tice can speed up his development.
I agree with his statement that Solder is a project. Even though he isn't my favorite OT prospect, I think he has the highest ceiling of all the o-line prospects on the board. Unfortunately I also think he has the lowest floor. The freakishly athletic converted tight end has to add some bulk, add some strength, and has to get better at dropping his pad level against the smaller quicker edge rushers. Working with a good o-line coach like Mike Tice is exactly what he needs.
In the 2nd round he has the Bears taking North Carolina DT Marvin Austin. Another spot on pick considering how his mock falls. Here's what he said in regards to the selection:
Tommie Harris was a class act after being set free by the organization, taking out an advertisement in the Chicago Tribune (it's a newspaper kids, remember those?) to thank the city for their support. It was a classy move, and as a teammate he will be missed.
However, he was benched for a reason. The Bears need a better option on the interior of their defensive line. Marvin Austin has ability, and I think it will come out if he is drafted by a defense with some talent.
But wait, he has a checkered past and he missed all of last season after being ruled ineligible. And I don't care. He selfishly took gifts from an agent, but he paid the price for his crime. Had he played he very well, he could have been a lock for a 1st round contract. He's a strong and quick 3 technique prospect that would step in from day 1 and compete for a starting job. Here's some highlights.
With their 3rd round pick, Cox thinks the Bears will address defensive back by selecting New Mexico State CB Davon House. The 6'1" 200 pound physical player made a name with his man to man coverage, but many scouts think he'll be a great fit for a zone team. Here's what Cox had to say:
The Bears have to deal with Aaron Rodgers at least twice per season, so help in the secondary is justifiable.
Very astute. House has a rep for having a mean streak on the field and I've seen him with as high as a 2nd round grade. If he's there in the 3rd, he's a Jerry Angelo type pick.
In the 4th round Cox has Chicago going back to the o-line by taking DeMarcus Love. Love played left tackle last season at Arkansas, but he'll not see that side in the NFL. He could play right tackle, but his best position may be guard. And he does have experience at guard in college. Love is a 4 year starter that would provide solid depth at possibly RT and G, and is a guy that would bring a nasty aggressiveness to the Bears.
With free agency on hold, the Bears may need to fill needs with their draft picks, and this mock by Greg Cox does just that. He picks players that makes sense scheme-wise for the Bears and he doesn't reach for any of them.
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That is a respectable draft
Especially the Davon House pick.
But IMO I feel we may already have our solution at 3 tech with Henry Melton. Drake Nevis would be a good prospect but I don’t like his character, and Melton is a class act who probably deserves the job more than he does.
Im hoping someone like Derek Sherrod either falls to us or that we trade up for him as he would be the best option at LT. Draft him and then Phil Taylor as well as everyone else on his mock and that would be a solid draft.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 11:09 AM CDT reply actions
i do not like taylor. At all.
Especially not in the Bears scheme. He’s a fat space eater. Put him in a 3-4. Keep him out of chicago
I'll roll up
by suckmyditka on Mar 22, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats a good point
I was thinking of him as a space eater next to Melton, but I see the point. Taylor now does have some talent in him to be a great nose, but I see where you’re saying that as he probably will be drafted to become a 3-4 NT
A better solution may be Muhammed Wilkerson, but Im not sure if we could grab him in the second round. Perhaps if we trade up we could, but Im not so sure if he would fall far enough to grab him. Wilkerson has all the traits we seek in a complete DT for our scheme, but again will we be able to grab him
If he is there at 29th overall I say draft him there and then Orlando Franklin in the second, the rest of the draft is solid.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
IMO instead of drafting Love in the 4th they should draft Olin's replacement.....
If Edwin Williams is indeed the C of the future then at the minimum we have ourselves Garza’s replacement at RG and a backup C. If a guy like Moffitt or Kirkpatrick is still around he would be better than Love because those guys are far more flexible than Love would be.
by frenchbears113 on Mar 22, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Or O'Dowd from USC or Barnes from Mizzou. Any of these guys would be better options than Love
by frenchbears113 on Mar 22, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we may have both Kreutz's and Garza's replacements on hand
With Garza may I introduce you to Herman “the House” Johnson. He is HUGE (6’7 360) and all of that is pure meaness. He is a mauler in the running game, and he has decent pass protection. Mike Tice wanted this guy for a reason, and I think he would be a fine ( and big) addition to the O-Line at RG.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll pass judgenemt on him when we see him play
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 22, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And hopefully that will come sooner rather than later
I always wanted him on the Bears since I saw him play for LSU, and he deverves the opportunity to have a crack at the starting job.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He was a guard in college
And he played both RG and LG in his 4 years in LSU
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
But it's LSU.
So it’s basically on the same level as a junior college.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 22, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha no harm done as Im a Gators fan
Just saying that Herman Johnson would be a great player for the Bears O-Line if they let him have the chance.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
were they available in his mock?
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 22, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Moffitt is gone early in the 3rd, Kirkpatrick goes in the 4th to the Chiefs....
O’Dowd is still around and so is Barnes. They aren’t as pro-ready as Moffitt or Kirkpatrick IMO but as far as C is concerned they are upgrades over Love, who is only a G/T.
by frenchbears113 on Mar 22, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
it's funny because going deeper in the mock they have the Chiefs also drafting Barnes so they have the Chiefs drafting centers back to back... weird
by frenchbears113 on Mar 22, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me of the Bucs using their first two picks on DTs last year
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
O'Dowd merits a hard look!
Started the season opener as a True freshman and played 4 years at center at a pretty respectable program called USC.
Has a “streak” to go along with a great FBI and GPA to boot!
Would love to see him in our 4th rd.
pbanachi
I would not be surprized to see us draft a Center in the later rounds
As we must figure out who will be the heir to Kreutz’s spot, whether that be Edwin Williams or a player from the draft that is groomed under Kreutz for a year or two.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a solid draft but
I’m just not a Solder fan. I don’t see paying first round money for someone who will be a project. You want your first rounder to be able to come in from day one and be able to start.
by boondock_saint812 on Mar 22, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
Webb.
7th round choice. Starter.
Mike Tice is the Harry Houdini of offensive line coaches. You’ve probably already heard the straw into gold cliches from last year. Think of Solder as being pure carbon. He can either turn out like granite, solid but unspectacular, or he can turn into diamond. If Tice could mold a halfway capable RT out of a 7th round draft choice, imagine what he could do with a first round talent, raw though he might be. Also, remember that the rooks can’t sign contracts until the CBA is finished, and one thing that both owners and players agree upon is that there needs to be some kind of rookie wage scale, especially for the first 2 rounds, so he might not be as expensive as you think.
I agree, though, that if any of the other T5OTs fall to us, we should take them over Solder.
my only fear with Solder is
He’s a LT only. He’ll never be able to move inside to guard, he either makes it at LT or he’s out of the league…
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 22, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, I was thinking the same about Solder
The big deal is that not only is he only capable of playing well as a LT, but he is not that good of a prospect at LT either. Tice can coach miracles, but Webb had the raw athletism and strength to become a solid RT in his rookie season. Solder on the other hand is big, but weak. He seriously needed to bulk up and failed to do so. All his size is fluff IMO, and a half-decent D-Lineman would just run him over on a pass rush.
I say if none of the top 5 OTs are there either draft the best DT or CB, or you just trade out of the round compleately. To me Solder would be a reach, and our goal this year is to not reach for picks.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
For the reasons cited right above you
I think Solder is a bit over-rated as well as the fact better players might be avaliable either right at that selection or in the later rounds.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
well were all the other 1st round LTS taken?
And Solder looked the best out of any of the Tackles at the combine, and from watching tape i believe he could play the other line positions, but he was always the best lineman on his team therefore he was put automatically at LT. I think this guy is gonna be one of the top 10 LTs in the league at some point in his career. He definately has the size and athleticism. The only knack is what? His strength? Dudes a beast and will probably be off the board by pick 29
I'll roll up
Well from what I saw he got manhandled by guys the size of Mark Anderson
He does have a lot of potential and hopefully that transfers into the NFL if we do decide to go with Solder. I still believe that better players could be had later in the draft.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Mar 22, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be happy if the draft actually went this way.
Taking care of the greatest needs, check. Maybe overpaying for a diamond in the rough, check. But I don’t see anyone from Vanderbilt?
I cannot put my finger on it...
but Solder has me concerned. I do agree Tice can get the best out of guys, but I see Solder as another Columbo; every reason to succeed and (as a Bear) little success. I like the Davon House pick, if for no other reason the name is exceptional for a defensive player. Austin is a solid 2nd round DT who should benefit from working with Marinelli et al. He plays angry and has had a year to rest, which probably helps more for an interior lineman; they don’t need to recover a ton of speed but they do tend to break down quickly, ask Tommie about that!
I agree its a pretty good lineup but here's my issue
All three of the first picks are risk players. Solder – potential but not ready yet. Austin – potential but is definitely a boom or bust type that could blow up in our face. House – I’d say almost all cb draft picks are questionable. Its a huge leap from college to pro. I know all draft picks are risks, but not one of these seems close to a sure thing.
New mock up at Walter
1 29 Corey Liuget DT
2 62 Rodney Hudson G/C (Cannon and Watkins still on board)
3 93 Kendric Burney CB
4 125 Jarriel King OT/G
5 157 Jeremy Kerley WR
6 189 Justin Boren G
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