Happy THISISTHEDAYWEGOTJAYCUTLER Day
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 2, 2011 6:12 PM CDT
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This day two years ago the Chicago Bears broke the bank and made one of the boldest moves in the history of the franchise. The constant position of need for the Bears had been the most important one on the field, and then all of a sudden a dream came true. A 25-year-old gifted QB fresh off a Pro Bowl was available for trade.
All of the faithful were praying (even if they weren’t religious) for the Bears to pull this off. Angelo was famous for being stingy and not too quick to pull the trigger on a move like this. Early in the day on April 2, 2009 it seemed to be a lock that the Washington Redskins would nab Cutler. Living in DC this broke my heart to see Cutler possibly on his way to Burgundy and Gold and not the beloved Navy and Orange. A few hours later my 10 year old brother runs into my room screaming at the top of his lungs "WE GOT HIM!" and repeated it over and over.
I was jumping up and down like I had just witnessed the birth of my first child or the Bears winning it all. I flipped to ESPN/NFL Network/ ESPNNEWS/Comcastsportsnet just to see it flashing across the screen. I proceded to call my dad who is a lifelong fan to tell him the news and was equally in joy. I was in total shock, it really happened. I wanted football season NOW! It sucked losing a class act like Kyle Orton but it was easily made up for with the talent of Jay Cutler.
2 years later I LOVE the trade and will stand by Jay through and through. What many people fail to point out is that the bears also acquired a 5th round pick which become Pro Bowl returner and playmaking receiver Johnny Knox. Denver hasn’t showed anything really with their draft picks. Thomas may develop into a talent but seems to be stuck with the injury bug while Ayers has yet to make an impact. They also traded the 3rd round pick which became Mike Wallace another rising star.
This was also the day I joined WCG I believe. That’s my story anyone else got one?
via www.ballornuthin.com
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I was in Paris....
That day I woke up because my phone had alerted me to a facebook notification by a friend of mine with only these simple words… “WE GOT HIM!” From that point on I knew that there was a new age of double-chinned greatness on the horizon.
I was at home talking with some of my friends at Buffalo Wild Wings about Cutler going to the 'Skins
Then all of the sudden another Bears fan who worked there was running around screaming “THEY GOT HIM, THEY GOT HIM, THE BEARS F*CKING GOT HIM!!!!!!!!!!” and then the manager flipped all the channels to ESPN as they announced the deal in which the Bears aquired Jay Cutler. I was absolutely overcame with shock and excitement, and a couple of Broncos fans started to cry. Soon after that a Redskins fan shouted “THATS A ROBERY MAN!” as before the deal was announced he went around bragging that the Redskins were going to “steal” Jay Cutler from the Broncos and even wagered $50 that there was going to be a deal announced that very day. He certainly was correct, just not in a way he hoped for. And thats what you get for drinking a little too much coolade.
I gave the waiter that announced the news a generous tip btw
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 2, 2011 7:19 PM CDT reply actions
at home
good lord my concentration has been WAY off recently
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 2, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I was at work ....
… when the trade went down . I thought the Skins were gonna land him for sure ( and that just pissed me off & killed my day in general ) and then I get home to see we , the Chicago Bears whom never do anything bold , acquired a young , franchise QB . I almost passed out from disbelief & shock .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 2, 2011 10:08 PM CDT reply actions
It took me awhile to actually believe that, Jerry screwed so many things before, drafts in particular . When I watched it on ESPN made it real and palpable .
by transylvanian bear on Apr 3, 2011 6:06 AM CDT reply actions
Now known as "He'sNotAsGoodAsCalebHanieAndWhy'sHeAlwaysPoutingAndFrowny-faced" day.
I was at home and just after it happened, Yahoo put a special update on their front page. My heart about stopped, but then I came back to earth when I realized it was just an April Fools joke. Then I realized that it was actually April 2nd (my days get mixed up sometimes from working nights) and I immediately came here (I believe there was only one staff member here at that point, a grammatcally challenged fellow named WCG if I remember correctly.)
Of course, once I realized how little he was smiling, I knew right away he was the kind of guy who would fake a knee injury in a title game just because he’s such a quitter and hates his teammates and fans and puppies, and I felt we should just get Rex to come back.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Not even close homie.
Adam was online that day, and had been chatting with me and ChiFan13, but about a half hour before the trade was announced, Adam had to go to the bathroom… ChiFan13 and I were still chatting, when all of a sudden, we both went full caps lock to the other at the exact same time: BEARS GOT CUTLER!
Then, we spent all of 5 seconds deciding who would post it and who would find the terms and details. So, while he was getting the story up, I was pulling the trade details (which seemed to change every 3 minutes), and we were laughing at Adam, who still wasn’t back from handling his business.
Of course, then we had to start combining the Orlando Pace details as well, since that broke shortly after Cutler’s news. Adam finally came back about 20 minutes later and announced to me and ChiFan: Did you guys know we got Cutler?
That was a good day. Now all we have left to wonder is whether the Bears overpaid for Cutler…
Well at least one of you knows how to block.
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 4, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd for absolute hilarity!
My keyboard will never be the same :(
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Apr 4, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You're welcome.
If you’d like you can send me the bill for your key board. Here is my address.
Mr. Ditkavsworld
89 Ditka Way
Ditkaville, MD 89851
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 4, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering how badly McDouche screwed up with those two 1st rounders I think it may be a wash....
still a bit early to tell but I am fairly confident it’s a wash
by frenchbears113 on Apr 4, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't remember if you guys were staff yet or not.
I don’t know why, but I was thinking it was just Adam when I first joined. Speaking of ChiFan, where the hell has he been?
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I think he's over at Bear Goggles On.
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 7, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh ok.
I know he was at Blog Down for awhile, but then he sorta disappeared. That site had started going pretty good for awhile, but then they started requiring log-in for the comments and it killed em.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Yeah I noticed that as well.
I tried to got there when I could but my work doesn’t like that website so it cuts down on the time I have to go there. On a side note my work loves it some WCG.
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
You got any connections with the people in the pay department???
comment #6999 <———— :)
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
Awesome
could you mention to him that my truck payment is due on the 15th and while the wife and I have savings we’d much rather get paid and not have to use it. You’re the best. If you do this I’ll send you a peppermint. :)
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
I'd think Dane's greatest value to you
is in him not telling your boss what you do on company time. ;-)
Weekend contributor at Windy City Gridiron
by Steven Schweickert on Apr 8, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah "my boss" can go to Green Bay for all I care
I say Green Bay cause that’s the closet thing to Hell I can think of.
When the world slips you a Jeffrey, stroke a furry wall.
- Aldous Snow
by Ditkavsworld on Apr 8, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmfao
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 8, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
On that very day
I said we have no chance, Bears are too cheap, Then i got home and my mom called and told me about it. After that checked yahoo, and my voice hurt for the rest of that day
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
I was thrilled at the time
I’m less impressed now. Jay hasn’t shown the accuracy or decision making to make me think he’s worth it so far. He’s got some excuses people can point to (like a poor o-line, bad o-coordinators, bad receivers, etc), so I’ll give him more time before I make up my mind, but I’ve been really disappointed so far. I have yet to see him hit open receivers in stride on a consistent basis, everything seems behind them. He’s been kind of a tall version of Rex that doesn’t fumble so far (though I know I’ll get jumped on by the Jay-lovers for that comparison).
In retrospect, for the picks we gave up we could’ve had Michael Oher, Maurkice Pouncey, and Mike Wallace, and could’ve sent the 2nd rounder we used on Gaines Adams for McNabb until we found a permanent qb. Hard to say that wouldn’t have been a better use of resources than just getting Cutler, but it’s easy to say in retrospect.
DEJESUS!!!
Are you kidding me ??? Jay Cutler has been ....
… great for us considering the lack of weapons & protection . And you list the guys we could have had instead of Jay , you do realize that if we had not traded for him we’d still need the most important position on the field …..QB . And comparing him to Grossman is utter lunacy as is wanting McNabb instead of Cutler .
Jay Cutler got us to the verge of the Super Bowl with very little talent around him & your still less than impressed . No QB can be accurate with the protection we provided him , confidence in his line that they will do their job , WR’s he can trust & coaches to guide him . We got the coaches last season and he improved . Now we need to improve his weapons and protection and he will take another step foward .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 4, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He "led"
the Bears to the NFCC game the same way Grossman “led” them to the Super Bowl.
The Bears had one of the 3 worst offenses in the league last year—how can you give credit to Cutler for getting them where they got? They got that far in spite of him and the offense for the most part. They got there due to a very good defense, an amazing string of luck in the regular season (getting all the calls like the Calvin Johnson call, facing teams with key players injured, having virtually no injuries themselves), and got to play one of the worst playoff teams ever in their first playoff game.
I agree with you that Cutler desperately needs upgrades around him, but that doesn’t excuse all the poor throws and poor decisions. Hopefullly he’ll play better when the talent around him is better, but I’d like to see him elevate the play of those around him a little—that’s what great QBs do.
DEJESUS!!!
Dude stop hating already...
It boggles my mind that you dump on him yet all the other QB’s in the league that are good to great screw up just as bad when they’re running for their lives and you don’t call them out on it in fact almost no one does. Yes Jay needs to make better decisions but cutting his ‘s INT down by 10 despite getting sacked MORE than he did in his first year here shows that the guy is getting better despite the knack of anything remotely helpful on offense. It doesn’t matter how good a QB is, he will not have a high-scoring offense if he keeps getting knocked on his back and that’s a fact. Peyton Manning was only sacked like 12 times all season yet he throws more INT’s than Jay did and he has a guy name name of Reggie Wayne. Brees threw more INT’s as well and yet he has Marques Colston and one of the top olines in the biz. Eli Manning has Nicks, Manningham and Smith yet led the league in INT’s. Brett Favre.. the man, the myth, the legend, the real crybaby whiner, throws more INT’s than Jay did and he missed a few games and he has Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin and arguably the best RB in the league in AP and an oline that, while aging, is WAY better than anything on this team. Look man you are entitled to your opinions but you’re not basing them off of facts. If he still plays inconsistently once he has the tools that other good QB’s have then you can say I told you so.
by frenchbears113 on Apr 5, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Pointing out a player's flaws
isn’t “hating”, it’s not being a homer. We can ascribe Cutler’s problems here to a poor offensive line, bad receivers, bad coaching, etc—but the fact is he was the same guy in Denver when he had one of the best o-lines in football, great receivers, and a great offensive head coach. In his last year in Denver, he had a nearly identical qb rating as he did in 2010 with us. The only difference is he piled up more attempts and yards because his team’s defense sucked and they were always playing from behind.
The guy has flaws—he throws off his back foot, he’s got inconsistent accuracy, he makes stupid decisions. He’s also got great mobility, a powerful arm and he can take a hit. He’s not all bad, but he’s got serious flaws that will make it hard for him to take a team to the Super Bowl unless the stars align like they did this year or he corrects those flaws. His flaws are mostly correctable, he just hasn’t shown a willingness, interest or abilit (not sure which) to correct them.
The comparisons to Manning and Brees are laughable at this point. Both QBs typically have QB ratings around 100, where Cutler is in the 80s, both QBs make the players around them better, and both have led their teams to Super Bowl rings. Cutler has the potential to be that good, but hasn’t shown the leadership skills to rally a team or the ability/interest to make himself better enough so far.
That’s not hating, that’s just truth. If you think the only difference between Cutler and Manning/Brees is the supporting cast then I’m surprised the Colts and Saints haven’t called us about a trade yet.
DEJESUS!!!
How do you know he's unwilling to work on his flaws?
Are you in practice with him? Are you a coach who works with him on a daily basis? No so you’re making assumptions and I have never once heard a coach criticize Jay’s work ethic btw. Mike Shanahan, the same Shanahan that embarrased a lazy jerk like Hayneworth and dropped an ineffective McNabb as his starter, which by the way you stated above the Bears should’ve traded for instead of getting Cutler, has said nothing but great things about Jay.
And the comparisons I’m making is situational. Never did I once say that Jay was better but again you fail to see what I’m trying to say. Jay has flaws I get that. But EVERY QB plays poorly when he has absolutely no support both in protection and in weapons and that is a fact that you continuously ignore. Take away Reggie Wayne and that oline from Manning and you get his younger brother, who is not better skill-wise than Jay. Brees suffered without a banged up Colston and line this past season and he threw loads of interceptions. If you want to talk about good coaching and talent and all that good stuff, Brees has better numbers in the offense he’s in because it’s a pass heavy one. He didn’t put up 4000 yard seasons in San Diego. Besides LT, Brees didn’t have a Marques Colston in SD. Oh and how long did it take both of those guys to win a SB in the first place? Manning was a continuous choker and he has been ever since. Drew Brees gets stopped without a run game and loses to the same team that Jay “quitter” Cutler dropped 4 TD’s on.
Look my good man, I am aware that everyone has an opinion on Jay and not all of us agree with one another. But in my case I’m defending him because we’ve seen how good he can be and that requires help. He nor any QB can win it all by themselves. You want proof? How about Peyton Manning forcing 12 int’s in the span of 3 games. But that’s not foolishness to most that’s a leader. That’s hypocritical in my book. As much as it pisses me off when he takes dumb gambles I’m not foolish enough to think he was a waste. I will judge him when he’s gotten what every other good QB has: A line that keeps him upright and a receiver that will fight for that ball at all costs.
by frenchbears113 on Apr 5, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
First Playoff game
Jay won with ease
We have our QB
its a shame some people dont see that
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 5, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
For real
Jay Cutler has rightfully earned his way as a Bear and thats that.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 5, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He had that line
and those receivers in Denver and was the same guy he’s been here, just with more pass attempts. He is what he is—a talented but error prone QB.
DEJESUS!!!
You forgot better numbers & he carried his ....
…. team because their defense was garbage so it fell on the O to win games . And so Cutlers error prone eh ? Lets list a few QB’s whom had more INT’s than Jay this past season …….
1. Eli Manning 25
2. Drew Brees 22
3. Carson Palmer 20
4. Brett Favre 19
5. Peyton Manning 17
6. Jay Cutler 16
Say want you want to but most of those guys are not error prone and still ended up with more INT’s than Jay . So really give it up man your hate for our QB its as see through as a friggin window man .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 5, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not hating, as he's stated multiple times.
He’s just pointing out that our QB isn’t perfect, and has plenty of room for growth.
I think a lot of Bears fans have become so used to defending certain aspects of Cutler that they assume anything that’s not rosey and happy as criticism.
Like it or not, Cutler has his flaws, as does most every other QB in the league. By me saying that, it doesn’t mean I don’t want him on my roster, or that I’m hating on him… it’s just being objective.
but saying the Bears got as far as they did in spite of Cutler
is a lot more than pointing out his flaws. Those who defend Cutler from the likes of tomas21 are not ignorant of his flaws, but they also have the intelligence to see the guy has been more of a plus to the team than a minus.
BTW, which QB does not have flaws, is perfect and has no room for growth?
tomas21 = objective? Not really.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 6, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Like I posted above, everyone is entitled to their opinions about Jay because he's a polarizing figure.
But I am someone who makes statements off of facts. I’m not enough of a homer to say that Jay is the greatest thing since sliced bread but gambler or not, Jay Cutler is a man who is a Pro Bowl QB not wasted potential nor a detriment. To me he resembles Brett Favre but because he’s not ultra-cuddly people just think he’s a douche. Jay, much like Favre, can make the kind of throws that make your jaw-drop and like Favre he can also make you want to kill yourself with some of his questionable decisions. I just don’t appreciate people excusing some for a gun-slinger mentality and condemning others for it. And Jay is a guy who has learned to control his desire to chuck into triple coverage by cutting his INT’s by 10 this past season. To me that shows his desire to improve, which is something tomas21 claims Jay doesn’t have.
In the end there will always be that gun-slinger mentality in Jay Cutler and that’s something we all have to live with. It’s what makes him great and scary at the same time. But if this past season is any indication he’s finally realized that not every throw has to be a TD, although he can do a LOT better and his supporters realize and expect this. He can also fix that footwork but like Martz said, when you’ve had sloppy footwork for years it isn’t going to be corrected overnight. With Jay it will be a roller-coaster ride but with help, it will be a fun ride to the top.
by frenchbears113 on Apr 6, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you not watch the
JETS or EAGLES game?
two playoff teams one of them was a game away from the superbowl and he scored 4 tds in both games.
Lets be real if Cutler had a Marsall/Boldin LEGIT #1 reciever he would have won the MVP?
Is that homer talk? Some may think so.
27 tds his first year (bring up the ints who doesnt know about that?)
23 his second
Having a Wideout who can beat his man i can safely assume he would have gone over 30 he nearly did so without one
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 5, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Haters gonna hate . I'm done with this convo Tomas21 .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 5, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really , but oh well .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 5, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
can we all hug it out?
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 5, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Bro Hug ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Apr 6, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bro i thought youd never ask
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 6, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess you and I saw different Bears' teams last year
To say the Bears got as far as they did despite Cutler is really bizarre. Without him, they don’t break .500.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 6, 2011 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Especially down the stretch when the offense became balanced.
by frenchbears113 on Apr 6, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Along with players understanding the Offense
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 8, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I have yet to see
An NFL starting caliber o line around him
stable offensive system
a good wideout
gee thats something
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Philip Rivers
all have
hmmmm
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 4, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jay Cutler
is the toughest QB in the league
thats what has impressed me and has not once blamed knox or hester for not fighting for the ball
or his line using the OH LAY! blocking technique
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 4, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bears indeed paid a very high price to get Jay Cutler
They paid a very high price for J. Peppers also.
Anyone can go back and say they should have picked this guy or that after seeing the guy play in the nfl for a couple of years. The real trick is to pick them without hindsight.
Curtis Enis and Rashaan Salaam looked real good coming out of college.
Jay Cutler is the real deal. What he was able to accomplish behind the worst offensive line in the nfl and the worst offensive line the Bears have had in 40 years was amazing.
He was sacked more, hit more and hurried more than any other QB in the nfl do you really expect to see him hitting recievers in stride.
Talking about hitting recievers, how about giving him a reciever that doesn’t need a perfectly thrown ball to catch it. A #1 quality Wideout that will go up and take the ball away from defenders.
For all of Grossman’s faults he played behind a much better offensive line and to call Cutler a taller Grossman is unjustified slander.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Hopefully this will make everyone feel extra fuzzy about the Sizzle trade!!
Here are the details on the Herschel Walker trade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade
Minnesota Vikings received
RB Herschel Walker
Dallas’s 3rd round pick – 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
San Diego’s 5th round pick – 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
Dallas’s 10th round pick – 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
Dallas’s 3rd round pick – 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)
Dallas Cowboys received
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
Minnesota’s 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) – (12) (Alvin Harper)
Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) – (38) (Dixon Edwards)
Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) – (37) (Darren Woodson)
Minnesota’s 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) – (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) – (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)
I love that this happened to the Vikings!!
On to bigger and better things next year!
HOLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYY Clay Matthews (its not open so i need to use a synonym)
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 11, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Ditka!
Now there is a one sided trade for ya
Almost as good as the #1 overall trade to the Saints for all of their draft picks
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 14, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
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