Great players with considerable character issues: Are WR Brandon Marshall and CB Aqib Talib players we should look at?
So both players mentioned appear to be on their ways out of Miami and Tampa Bay, respectively, due to seperate issues, with both being rather serious to go with it. Normally I would flat out say no to someone who has serious red flags; however, when you look at what we need combined with not only the talent level of those players, but with how well they fit into what we are building here in Chicago these two players have caused a change of heart to occur in me depsite the sevarity of their respective situations. Follow me after the jump to see why I feel these two players can ultimately help us return to the Super Bowl.
The game- NFC Championship Game on a cold Sunday afternoon at Soldier Field, featuring the NFC's oldest and most bitter rivalry, the Chicago Bears versus the Green Bay Packers. In a defeat most seem to remember where every possible thing that could have went wrong, did. Not only was Jay Cutler injured due to poor protection from the O-Line (again) but the WRs were being bounced around like ping-pong balls and our secondary got outmuscled by Greg Jennings and company, ultimately making a mockary of Tim Jennings in the process. What we lacked besides a consistantly good O-Line- a big and physical pressance at WR and a CB to play the other half of the field adjacent to Charles Tillman- really came back to haunt us in this game. Enter the rather risky but potentially problem solving prospects of Brandon Marshall and Aqib Talib.
Brandon Marshall, our favorite WR from Denver who had an absolutely lethal reputation with Jay Cutler throwing the ball to go with his well noted record. Those two were essentiually unstoppable in their 2 full seasons together. Then Jay Cutler left and all hell broke loose in Denver. He still had a great year with Orton of all things but he was not satisfied with Josh McDaniels as his coach ( who was?) and requested a trade a full year later. During that time Bears nation pleaded and prayed Jerry Angelo would pull off The Steal of the Century: Part II and aquire Brandon Marshall in a trade. But, this was not ment to be as he was shipped to Miami for 2 second rounders, one more than Jerry had at his disposal. Now, he seems to be on the way out again as trouble has resurfaced in his life, getting into an altercation with his wife which sent him to the hospital in serious condition from a stab wound. It is reported that the Dolphins are potentially releasing him as soon as the market is reopened which would save an estimated 15 million dollars from their cap salary. Doesn't this seem familiar to another well known trouble making WR? If you guessed Randy Moss, you are correct. I do not, will not ever like that guy or even consider signing him if I were in charge, but this whole drama will eventually be compared to Randy Moss and his reammergance in New England. For those who have forgotton Randy Moss started his career in Minnesota as a first round pick known for having a bad attitude. So he has an unforgettable rookie season and he already sees stars and money signs in his eyes. He then gets in trouble with the NFL and was fined numerous times, but he didn't care. So Minnesota gave him das boot and sent him to the Oakland Raiders who were.....the Oakland Raiders. He stunk the place up and nobody wearing silver and black wanted him around for the honeymoon. So along came the New England Patriots who were searching for a differance maker at WR and coach Bill Belichick apparantly heard of wonderful stories relating Randy Moss to greatness. The Patriots trade for Randy Moss and at first a good number of us laughed our heads off as not only did he play poorly on a team with no QB to speak of but he was well over 30 years old. The result, pure magic as he played a major role in helping Tom Brady and company return to the Super Bowl after the perfect 16-0 season ( and almost went 19-0 if not for David Tyree’s legendary one handed grab). He was considered around the league as the best WR in the game, hands down. Now comes Brandon Marshall. Again we all remember how well he played in Denver with Jay Cutler at QB, and in Miami he had no QB to speak of ( sound familiar?). Look at what he would bring to the table as a WR in Chicago: Enormous size ( 6-4 230 pounds), great speed, outstanding hands, and all of that to go with some of the best route running in football. He has what a good amount of our WRs don't. We definately can win many games with our currant crew as Johnny Knox and Devin Hester are without a doubt the fastest pair of homerun threats in the NFL, and Earl Bennett is a tough player who has great hands. But none of them are taller than 6'0 ( Johnny Knox) and only Bennett has the physicality to be a reliable option, the others get abused in press coverage. Adding Brandon Marshall would give Jay Cutler that #1 option many Bears fans have demanded over the past few years.
Now, time to tell the story of Aqib Talib
His accusations are considerably worse than Brandon Marshall's ( assault with a deadly weapon) and a good number of us would shut him off at first glance. Like Marshall he is on the way out after years of problems with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He came into the league as a first rounder and for his tenure, he played like one on the field but acted like a chump off the field. Normally I would have him marked off, but after doing research he:
1) played in the Tampa 2
And
2) could fit right in as the solution to our issues at CB
Plus, he has had a long history of bad times with his family, and it really looks like he wants to get out of there because he knows he will get into further trouble with the law if he stays. To add to his situation; besides Ronde Barber are there any other real leaders in Tampa Bay? I felt a lack of leadership may have been a factor in some of his poor decisions. If you ask me a change of scenery may be just what the doctor ordered, as he would be far away from the family issues/drama and he would be coming onto a team which employs the exact same defense Tampa Bay runs that is full of veteran leaders such as Brian Urlacher, Chris Harris, Julius Peppers, Charles Tillman, and Israel Idonije. No matter how you slice it he was an incredible player in the Tampa 2, and when you have players here such as Zachary Bowman and Tim Jennings, would you consider it then? Charles Tillman needs another pressance as he is not getting any younger and our current players are not good enough options to win us a Super Bowl, as proven by Aaron Rodgers. Also, now considering that he had gotten in trouble he will not cost us a fortune.
All and all there is a good amount of risk associated with either player, but when you weigh their upsides as well, I feel they balance each other out. So, hopefully after reading this you may feel they deserve another chance and could be the players to go with an improved O-Line that may put us back into the Super Bowl.
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I think a lot of people are jumping the gun on the Brandon Marshall thing.
Based on everything we know right now, he was the victim of an assault. Sure, he’s had his issues before this, but there is nothing right now to indicate the Dolphons are going to cut ties with him.
They’ve got a huge investment in Brandon, and gave up a lot to bring him to Miami. There local beat writers are saying that, as of right now, they Dolphins have no intentions of cutting ties with him, and that there would have to be something much more significant come from the investigation than what they know now.
Of course, you may have read something different to cause you to say Marshall “appears to be on his way out”… if so, link it up. But as of the time of this post, there’s been nothing posted anywhere (that I’ve seen) that would insinuate that.
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They will now be called the ’Phons.
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I like the name change
And I will give you this- there is no concrete evidence as of now which will confirm a departure, as most of it is speculation at this time and place. But boy none of the " ‘Phons" fans I know are happy with him, and we all assumed that even Denver wouldn’t be dumb enough to trade him in the first place. Wrong! I can’t remember who but on one of the recent fanshots someone suggested the Dolphins would save 15 million dollars if they cut Marshall.
Now Aqib Talib is someone I can confirm will be released. Is Brandon Mashall next? Who knows. In the meantime, lets all speculate the " What if" part shall we?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 24, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, gotcha.
The statement you originally made sounded like an absolute, but adding its pure speculation most of it is speculation at this time and place provides the context.
Thanks.
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some of those crazy pills? lol
by l3ig_lvlike_430 on Apr 24, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
And history repeats itself
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 24, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Bears cut Peppers, they'll save $20mm*
Does that mean that he’s on his way out?
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by David Taylor on Apr 25, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
That was not what I implied
The Dolphins may cut him because he is a trouble maker which gets paid quite a lot of money to act as a professional on and off the field. This is not the first time he has gotten himself in trouble down in Miami.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 25, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely off the mark
Your article without a doubt sounds like he was for sure getting released. Released from the hospital is all I found
This here post is nothing but speculation my friend
Sorry for the let down.
From what Ive been hearing from Phin’s fans around my part of town they are beyond pissed off at Marshall, and there is speculation such as this going around in Dolphins nation.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 27, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions

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by Ditkavsworld on Apr 25, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya think so...

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by Ditkavsworld on Apr 25, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't Toomer's one handed catch
It was David Tyree’s one-handed helmet catch.
by l3ig_lvlike_430 on Apr 24, 2011 6:08 PM CDT reply actions
Thank You
I don’t know where Toomer came up at. I’ll fix that at once!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 24, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
I was like Toomer hasn’t caught a relevant pass in like 7-8 years
by l3ig_lvlike_430 on Apr 24, 2011 6:32 PM CDT reply actions
Yea and the miracle was shown on ESPN right when I was revising it
How bout rubbing it in while you’re at it?!
Lol
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 24, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reply fail?
Now thats funny ;)
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 24, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd roll the dice with Marshall, but not Talib
I’m looking at risk Vs. reward, and draft availability.
Marshall is an elite level talent and absolute game changer. I can line him up against any corner in the league and I believe he’ll come down with the ball. Plus, it’s my opinion that the Bears wouldn’t add Marshall, unless Cutler supported the decision. So with that, you already would have some comradery built.
When you can get a player of Marshall’s caliber, I think its a no brainer.
Talib is a very good player, but not elite. Could he start day one for the Bears? Yes, I think so (if he’s not suspended). But I also think the Bears can pick a starting CB in this years draft. I can’t say the same for the WR position.
That is a good point as Aaron Williams is being compared to Ronde Barber
The only problem is now that Tampa Bay will be looking for a good replacement, our competition to find a day 1 starter to play adjacent of Tillman becomes much tighter, as now they are on the list for a new CB to go with Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New England, and us of coarse. SO we should look at as many solid options as we can especially if we can not find a quality starter who would also fit in our system, even if they have a moderate risk.
Recently I have had a change of heart with those who have made stupid mistakes while playing in the NFL, as with what Philly proved with Vick; everyone who works hard at it deserves a second chance. If Aqib Talib has anything positive going for him, he is a hard worker who shows up to practice every day and has no excuses to miss practice. Again normally I would be completely against this, but after reading on what has happened as well as considering what he could bring to the table, I now choose to look over all the negative things he has done and ask that we give him a chance here in Chicago.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 25, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking over your 3 replies just now, there’s some serious wishful thinking going on.
Acreman20: 127 hours is pretty decent.
awfullyquiet: How long is that movie?
Acreman20: 93 minutes.
Call me optimistic
I am wishing for all of this happen, and I have confidence this move could be pulled off with major success.
I understand quite well the risks involved with signing troubled players, as you never know what can happen. But the reason I wrote this post about both players is that these would be the 2 troubled players I feel the Bears should give a chance on. Sign them to incentive based deals ( Talib at the least) and just give them a chance.
Now, I can’t gurantee that the Bears will be pursuing these guys, as I am not sure about wether or not they will take the risk. However, if I know anything about Tim Ruskell, its that he has signed troubled players before, and I think he was a driving force in the signing of Julius Peppers last season
( Julius Peppers wasnt in any trouble, just using him as an example of Ruskell’s influence) so perhaps he could convince Jerry Angelo to at least consider these two players. Now that the lockout appears over, perhaps we will finally see what Jerry Angelo and company have in store for us this year.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 25, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO, Marshall isn't that bad of a character issue.
Looks like he was stabbed in an assault. His only problem other than that was with McD, and nobody in Denver liked McD. Everybody tried to get out from McD almost from the moment he was hired. He’s only really had one on the field and one off the field issue in, what, four years in the NFL? That’s not too bad. And, heck, he made Orton look like a ProBowler, and he made Thigpen look like an NFL QB, and that’s gotta count for something, doesn’t it?
Well, reportedly he was the one doing the assaulting. Much as I would love to have someone with his ability, I just can’t see the Bears bringing in a player who has a legal history of aggressive behaviour towards women.
Acreman20: 127 hours is pretty decent.
awfullyquiet: How long is that movie?
Acreman20: 93 minutes.
It also appears his wife will plead self-defense against Brandon Marshall
And in the State of Florida, if the situation was life threatening then lethal force is justified.
And well, he has a history but again I wonder if coming to a winning team would calm him down. Understandably after Benson and Tank got busted continuously the Bears have stayed clear of players with records, but I feel with his former teamate as well as an OC who would like to see a vet WR of his caliber play for us, I feel we may give him a chance.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 25, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d take a chance on both, after all the NFL is not the Boy Scouts, and I’m thinking most of us would agree there are quite a number of players with character issues, if they could get on ly one, I’d want Marshall, he and Jay together again would really gives this offense a huge boost.
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by touchdown bears on Apr 25, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
Wouldn't touch...
Aqib Talib with a 10 foot poll. He’s a disaster. The Bucs would NEVER cut him with all his talent if he weren’t such a royal f-up. He would never blend in with the Bears, with Lovie, Url, Peppers, Tillman, etc. No way, no how.
Raheem Morris has been coddling this kid and letting him off the hook and he continues to f-up, can you imagine what it would be like in Halas Hall?
No thanks.
Marshall and Cutler re-uniting would be intriguing but it’ll never happen. Miami ain’t letting him go.
However there was very little veteran leadership besides Ronde Barber in that locker room
And he simply wants to get away from his family in Tampa. I feel if he is given the chance with a locker room that is full of leaders as such listed in your post then he may blossom and become a wonderful player for us.
Miami is certainly not happy with Marshall, and with new details emerging that suggest that Brandon Marshall was the aggressor which would then make the stabbing a plausible self-defense case in Florida, they may feel otherwise. They have released high profile players with issues before, and with Marshall already being on thin ice in the first place, it may not be long until Miami looks elsewhere for their future WR.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 25, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Bro
“Never say never” – Justin Beiber
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Apr 26, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
hilarious
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by David Taylor on Apr 28, 2011 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions
You do realize Talib is being accused of shooting at a guy, right?
This wasn’t just a fight or a family situation that got a little out of hand. He and his mother shot at his brother-in-law in the street (allegedly).
Oh, and his family lives in Houston, not Tampa. That’s where all this happened at.
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by JerBear50 on Apr 26, 2011 5:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Sprinkle some fairy dust on him. He’ll be all sweetness and light after that.
Acreman20: 127 hours is pretty decent.
awfullyquiet: How long is that movie?
Acreman20: 93 minutes.
I just saw what you pointed out in the news, and thank you for correcting my errors
Im going to admit as new details emerge its getting extreamly difficult to defend him as whenever someone turns into an aggressor with a deadly weapon in a state such as Texas, not too many teams will take a chance on a guy like him.
I still think he could be a good player for us, and if he is signed by us then I will give him my support. However, its just getting tougher for him by the minute.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 26, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Might be the kick up the backside that he needs to turn his life around, like prison was for Michael Vick. It’s a shame to see a young man waste his talent.
Acreman20: 127 hours is pretty decent.
awfullyquiet: How long is that movie?
Acreman20: 93 minutes.
It may be what he needs
Its just Im not sure if he has been arrested yet. If he has and if the evidence is sufficient then he may be gone for a while.
I agree it is a waste of talent, and Im pretty sure he knows that. Maybe a release then later FA reality check will turn his life around for good. If its worked for Vick, Moss, and many players ( hell look at Benson and Engram) then he may get his act back together.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 26, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's a quick overview of his three year career.
I mean the Bears have a legit reason(s) to stay away from him
And its getting extremely difficult to defend his actions. When you add it up unless the Bears decide him to a incentive ladened contract much like what Philly did for Vick, then sadfully the Bears should pass.
Now if we can look past his idiotic choices and suppose after this recent mess subsides he pubically states to the public that he will change his act completely. As you concurred he has undeniable talent, and he could make our defense that much stronger as a whole.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 27, 2011 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude, as JerBear just showed you...
Aquib Talib has been in the NFL for 3 years. He has gotten in 5 “fights”, some with his own team. Over a domestic disturbance, he pistol-whipped a guy, his mother shot at the guy, and Talib took the gun from his mother and started shooting at the guy.
I know the kid has talent, but I would rather not see the hallowed navy and orange be disgraced by a kid who is going to have more problems, no matter how much he “promises” the public.
E.F.K.
Yes
i know theres baggage and i hope people know you can make an incentive laden deal so if the player screws up your not out millions aka Jamarcus Russell
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
Me too
Now with new details about Aqib Talib coming out, its getting tough to make him a legit candidate for us.
Yet, I will still be supportive to the idea of bringing him here to Chicago and giving a chance. The Eagles took a chance on a felon themselves and I think it payed off better than anyone could imagine.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 26, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I would take my chances with Aqib Talib
We need a ball-hawking CB that’s also solid in man coverage. Plus he’s very familiar with the tampa-2 scheme.
by Dominique Blanton on Apr 27, 2011 10:08 PM CDT reply actions
I was thinking of the same thing
Plus he will be far lest costing and easier to obtain than Nnamdi Asomugha.
But, the major problem is we have no clue how this recent assault charge will end. We can only sit and watch it unfold.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 28, 2011 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd take both.
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by chicago030 on Apr 28, 2011 11:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Well FA may be starting up
Hopefully these 2 (if Marshall is released that is) along with Cullen Jenkins and Carl Nicks are our top targets
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Apr 29, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
We could address alot of needs this offseason...
Of those four, in order, I’d most want Talib (we need a replacement for Tim Jennings badly and Talib is great on the field), Nicks (our o-line blows), Marshall (big target receiver), and Jenkins last (he was a Packer… Poor logic, yes, but instinctive).
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by chicago030 on Apr 30, 2011 8:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Those 4 players would provide a major boost to the entire team
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on May 2, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions

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