Will The Bears Grab a "Julius Peppers" For The Other Line This Year?
Without a doubt, the weakest position group on the team last year was the offensive line. Not surprisingly, the Bears used their 1st round pick and grabbed Gabe Carimi to address this glaring need. But did they do enough? Considering the viscous beating Cutler took last year, can one 1st round tackle (who is speculated to be starting on the right side, not the left) be enough to solidify the Matadors of the Midway? Or will the bears make a big splash again in FA and nab up a top offensive linemen?
Follow me to the clearing at the end of the jump and we'll discuss these thoughts and more........see you there!
Let's take a quick look at the current situation as it stands. Olin Kreutz is aging before our eyes and happens to be a free agent. I don't expect him to retire anywhere but Chicago, but you never know. Roberto Garza ain't no spring chicken, either. Chris Williams has shown flashes of brilliance at both tackle and guard, and appeared to settle in at the LG spot as 2010 wore on. Frank Omiyale should probably be given more credit than he gets. He did more last year than any career backup is expected to. And J'Marcus Webb may have a very bright future as he develops, but lets face it, anywhere but in Chicago, and he wouldn't be in a position to start yet. There are some good prospects in the fold like Levi Horn, Lance Louis, Edwin Williams and Herman Edwards, all of who could develop into solid starters or just as easily get cut this season. And of course, there is veteran backup Kevin Shaffer, who can be useful in a pinch, but shouldn't be considered in a starting conversation.
If the season started tomorrow, I would honestly expect the line to look like this: LT Webb, LG C. Williams, C Kreutz, RG Garza and RT Carimi. But we all know that eventually, free agency is going to come. THe question then becomes, are the Bears comfortable with this lineup.
My guess is yes.
Webb has enormous upside and came along nicely last year. He certainly didn't look like a veteran by any stretch of the imagination, but he improved greatly while showing athleticism that was exactly what you want out of a franchise left tackle.
Chris Williams showed improvement at the LG spot as the year wore on, and while he was by no means perfect, he did get better. My personal feeling on this is that Williams is a bust at LT, but if I was a betting man, I'd place money on Williams to have a long career as a left guard, if he's given the time to adapt to the spot.
Kreutz is what he is. He's in severe decline athletically, but his leadership and experience make up for it in some ways. And he will retire a Bear. With no replacement immediately evident, the Bears will resign Kreutz, retire him as a Bears and get at least one more serviceable year out of him. He won't be the strongest link in the line, but he with strengthen the men around him.
Garza has never been a great guard, but he has been a good guard in years past. He also appears to be running out of gas, though and how many more serviceable seasons he has to offer should be in question.
Carimi needs no further explanation. I expect him to solidify the right side for a decade. And with Garza and Carimi on the right side, I actually expect to be able to see Forte run right and actually get some yardage *before* defenders are able to get a hand on him, especially at the goal line.
That said, I don't think that means the Bears will entirely ignore the line in free agency. I just don't expect to see them make a big splash. Last year was something of an anomaly. Peppers would have made every team inthe league better, and Manu and Taylor were attempts to give the new OC some toys he was comfortable with in his system.
But there are a two players that I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Bears look at.
Guard would be the most likely position group that Angelo sets his sights on, and the two best are already tied up. Logan Mankins was already franchised and Carl Nicks was tendered with a first round tender. I don't see the Bears rushing out to grab up 30 year old Harvey Dahl, who is the best guard left. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them interested in the Falcons other mammoth guard, Justin Blalock. If the Bears are going to make a splash on the o-line, this is the guy I think they go after. He's 27 years old, 6'4" and 327 lbs and ferocious. He's the big bodied, agile type of guard that Mike Tice likes.
Marshal Yanda of Baltimore is another player I wouldn't be surprise to see the Bears target. He's adept at both RT and RG, and the Bears love their versatile linemen. Yanda would be a good security blanket. He would be a more than capable starter at either position. He would likely replace Garza, but could slid to the outside if there was trouble with a tackle and Garza would still be available to slide back into his old RG spot. Give the total of 1 year starting experience on the outside, this might carry more weight in Chicago than some would think. He's also only 26 years old. If the Bears do grab an offensive linemen with some standing in free agency, this would be the player I'd put highest odds on. He just offers the most overall security to the team.
I honestly wouldn't cross any available linemen completely off the board, but I'm not holding my breath for Lyle Sendlein or Doug Free, either. Those expecting to see the Bears grab a couple of high end linemen will likely be disappointed. More likely is the scenario that they grab a few undrafted free agents and maybe a guard in free agency, and then roll on with the current cast.
Now it's time for you to sound off, my friends. Do you think the Bears will make a big splash on the line? Do you expect them to move forward with what they have? Who do you think they may be targeting? The soap box is yours!
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Kevin Shaffer was released
I think we can count him out of the picture.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I somehow missed that. thanks, bro!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on May 26, 2011 11:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Herman Johnson
Wouldn’t want him getting upset with you over calling him th wrong name. He’s biiiiiiiggg!!!!
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by BearDownIsrael on May 27, 2011 2:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Herm Edwards...
I seriously think that guy must be on some sort of ADD meds. He is nuts.
by I Have Bearsititis on May 27, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
a couple of interior linemen of average ability and experience from F/A
would go a long way towards making a massive improvement on the OL.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
As much as I would love to have Nicks,
Justin Blalock would be nice. I think the interior of this line needs the most help, and I’m skeptical about C. Williams at guard. Hopefully the Bears keep him there when training camp/football begins, and we will be able to see if he can step it up.
E.F.K.
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I say let Carimi and Webb battle it out for LT, and Throw Horn in just for GP.
I am always facinated by how much media specalution soon becomes conventional, and then shortly accepted Gospel. A few months back, I believe it was Brad Briggs that said that Webb might be tried out at LT and now he’s the all consensus, hands down favotite!?
This is a guy that PFF had as the 2nd Worst RT in the entire NFL. He was Horrible with an capital “H”. The point that he was a seventh round pick does not mitigate that at all. To think that suddenly he will become suddenly adept at protecting Jays “Blind Side” is a bizarre stretch of logic and wistful thinking.
As you so profoundly point out Tim, any where else but Chicago, he’d still be “ridin the pine”.
And the Media has consigned Gabe to RT. Let’s forget about the FOUR years he spent at LT playing the best the Big Ten could throw at him.
I repeat, let them “Duke” it out! … The good ole. “Last Man Standing” :)
Oh, … we get Blalock and we might be set.
pbanachi
I agree and support this idea.
Carimi has spent his entire life on the left side. Anybody remember what happened when we switched Garza from the Right to the Left this season? He sucked! Peanut described his move across the field as being akin to a righty being told to write with his left hand. It might be decent with time, but it’ll take a ton of time to get correct. Webb has a season at the right, which is more than Carimi has ever played. He started to look halfway decent at the right by the end of the season. I agree, let them battle for the LT spot, but I’m certain that Carimi will win that battle and that Webb will have a better career at the right than the left due to his size.
Zack Hurd
I would like to see the Bears pick up Zack Hurd as an Undrafted. Wasn’t he ranked pretty high as a guard in this years draft? We need help and his tape looks solid enough.
by Jonathan Heun Jr on May 26, 2011 11:30 PM CDT reply actions
Hurd is Good!
All Big East for the last two years and could move right into his position of RT to replace Garza in a year or two.
pbanachi
Options but no answers
The fact that we have all these questions about which current players might start at guard simply means we still have no solid answers on our roster. We need a solid free agent who we know can answer the call.
Added note
at 6’6" and 327 he’s a “Goldilocks” for Mike Tice, Not too big, not too small, Just right :)
pbanachi
Release Chris Williams, PLEASE!
the guy is a bust, he sucked at guard as much as he sucked at LT. I dont know why we keep him- its clear he isn’t the answer and we have to get real.
We gotta get Carl Nicks or Harvey Dahl at FA for guard and try to persuade Faneca out of retirement.
This ain’t Madden.
Acreman20: 127 hours is pretty decent.
awfullyquiet: How long is that movie?
Acreman20: 93 minutes.
Hey GUYS LET’S SIGN EVERY BIG NAME OUT THERE REGARDLESS OF COST!!!!!!!!11111111 does not really constitute an idea.
I don’t think they’re ready to give up on Williams just yet, unless someone happens to fall into our lap in FA. As T-Train points out below, Nicks would cost a first round pick and Angelo’s already stated that he’s not going to (be allowed to) trade away future picks. I would, personally, like that trade to happen – give the average 50% bust rate for first round picks – but gibbering like a lunatic about what I could do in Madden doesn’t change this fact.
Acreman20: 127 hours is pretty decent.
awfullyquiet: How long is that movie?
Acreman20: 93 minutes.
LOL, couldnt agree m]with you more....
Hey GUYS LET’S SIGN EVERY BIG NAME OUT THERE REGARDLESS OF COST!!!!!!!!11111111 does not really constitute an idea.
Just because there probably wont be a salary cap this year doesnt mean you can go out and throw a ton of money around randomly. What will happen when the salary cap is re-instated the next year?
by IndyBearsFan88 on May 27, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
as stated above.....
Carl nicks has been tendered with a first rounder.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on May 27, 2011 8:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's Give Up Our 1st Rounder!
Jerry Angelo sucks at picking first rounders anyway (Carimi just happened to fall in his lap and even then he nearly screwed that up with the Ravens trade too…)
I wouldn't mind it if Angelo traded a first rounder for Nicks
Take for example Danny Watkins, drafted as a guard by the Eagles this year with a 1st rounder. Watkins is older (or as old as) Nicks, and Nicks is a proven commodity. Now I’m not saying this is what they should do; I think it’s important to stockpile draft picks. But if the price is right, or perhaps if a different trade could be worked out…(etc etc)
E.F.K.
There is also that random chance where a new CBA/court ruling prohibits tenders and tags
So perhaps that may be some of the thinking behind JA’s motives towards FA.
And if tags/tenders do still exist after that, I would have no problem with us surrendering a 1st for him.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on May 27, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
He "sucked" at Left Tackle
for a career total of how many games? Not even close to enough to evaluate him on yet. He showed tons of potential but inconsistency at RT and LT in 2009. He opened up 2010, in a brand new system, and struggled some early, then got hurt in the 2nd game of the season, and never took another Tackle snap. Putting aside that he was hurt in 2008, because its not relevant to how well he has played Tackle when not hurt, he has had 4 career starts at Left Tackle.
He was abused by Baltimore, did wonderful against Minnesota, and was decent but inconsistent against the Lions all in 2009. He opened 2010 and struggled some, but was not as bad as some of the other tackle play we saw last year against the Lions, then got hurt against Dallas.
I cannot tell you what his career will look like, and it has been disappointing to date…but he has done better at RT in the NFL than anyone currently on our roster, and in his 5 total games taking snaps on the left, had some ups and downs.
The wholesale effort to kill his career is based on literally a handful of games scattered between 2 different seasons under 2 different offensive systems, with no legit help from the Guard or Tight End position.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
by Brendan Hess on May 27, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fantastic....
(clapping)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on May 27, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Finally, someone who shares my view of C. Williams
I agree that he hasn’t played as well as you would expect from a no. 14 overall pick, but he has still shown some promise. I think it is still unfair to flat out say he is a bust and will never pan out, because frankly he hasn’t had enough time to completely prove himself.
I believe there is still a possiblity that he could pan out and improve over time as the Bears line is getting comfortable in the new offensive system and gaining competent talent around them such as Carimi. I personally would like to see Chris Williams battle with J’Marcus Webb for a starting tackle position.
I think Chris Williams still has a 50/50 shot at improving and becoming a serviceable lineman.
not every NFL player is a Bear
I think (no hard stats, just a gut feeling) that an OL is a system requiring training and continuity, and you can’t just pluck any # 1 player and plug him in like a puzzle. Makes a lot more sense to go the UDFA route where there’s loads of talent.
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by BearDownIsrael on May 27, 2011 9:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Justin Blalock would be a good pick up
He can be a very good fit as a LG in our scheme with his size and agility.
With Chris WIlliams I really don’t think the Bears are intending on him being a starter at Guard next season, nor should they do so. Chris Williams gets knocked back far too easily to be of any service as a Guard. He had his moments but overall his play has not improved to be topped off with the fact he can’t stay healthy.
One player on our roster to keep an eye out for, imo, is Herman Johnson. He is huge with a mean streak that resembles a bull charging out of the gates. Yes, he hasn’t received any playing time but consider when he was signed last year the Bears were in the middle of their playoff push and didn’t want to introduce someone who hadn’t had a chance to learn the system like everyone else did. It would ruin any cohesion the O-Line had. Plus a good amount of new commers to the Bears have some sort of red shirted season, and I think Herman Johnson has had his red shirt season. Look for him to be a name that is listed to contend for either Guard position
My ultimate hope is for Jerry to pull another rabbit from his hat and sign Carl Nicks, but that may be unrealistic and as long as we sign solid interior O-Lineman to fill our greatest weakness, then the Bears will be far better now that we also have a potential star OT in Gabe Carimi.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on May 27, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
Will The Bears Grab a “Julius Peppers” For The Other Line This Year?
I hope not. Why on earth would they want to add someone (else) to the offensive line who’s going to be responsible for sacks, QB hurries and killing running plays? :-D
Acreman20: 127 hours is pretty decent.
awfullyquiet: How long is that movie?
Acreman20: 93 minutes.
by Spongie on May 27, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Don't we already have a bunch of guys like that ??
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on May 27, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Lmao
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on May 27, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Well done, young lad.
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by Steven Schweickert on May 27, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome.....
just awesome……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on May 27, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
you damn near
owe me a keyboard…nearly spit out my drink….
Well Played!
by David in Maine on May 28, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
No Problem!
I could see trading our #32 first round pick for a “Proven” commodity like Carl Nicks :)
pbanachi
nice!
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 27, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well we were a good O-Line away from making it to the Super Bowl
I like that thought :)
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on May 27, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey!!!!!
Haven’t you read enough time on these threads that guards are not worth 1st round picks to know that this is lunacy? Jeesh……
;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on May 27, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
OL
Yes, this line still needs an upgrade. Loved the Carimi pick but more needs to be done here. We have a franchise QB and we should be looking for OL not only for pass protection, but in the run game also. This offense won’t be able to perform at a high level without it.
I don’t know, but isn’t CW a little tall at 6’6" to be a center
Why do all my socks smell like feet?
by touchdown bears on May 29, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions
It's above average for a center.
Most centers are from 6’2" to 6’4".
But the Raiders’ center Jared Veldheer is 6’8". So 6’6" isn’t a ridiculous thing to talk about.
Can you imagine if our starting O-Line was J. Webb, H. Johnson, C. Dub, M. Yanda, and G. Carimi
At 6-8 335, 6-7 382, 6-6 316, 6-3 315, and 6-7 314 our O-Line would be MASSIVE.
by IndyBearsFan88 on May 29, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

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