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NFL.com: Jay Cutler in "Group D" & Matt Forte in "Group C"

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Pat Kirwan, Senior Analyst of NFL.com, is running a companion series to the NFL Networks The Top 100: Players of 2011.  So far he has listed out the quarterbacks (click here) and running backs (click here) in groups of five.  He has the Chicago Bears Jay Cutler in the 16-20 grouping of QBs and he has Matt Forte in the 11-15 grouping of backs.  Pete already touched on this in The Den, but I wanted to give it a little alone time on the front page.

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Cutler is in a group that includes Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mark Sanchez, and former Bear Kyle Orton.  Looking over the players in the first 3 groups it's tough for me to argue against his placement of Jay in Group D.

Here's what he had to say about him:

He takes too much criticism for his "body language." The accusations after his knee injury in the NFC title game are just an example of his bad image. Another year under offensive coordinator Mike Martz and he's headed up from Group D.

I agree 100% with Kirwan, one more year of familiarity in the Martz O and Cutler will distance himself from the other QBs in his group.  I do think he's at the top of Group D right now.

Matt Forte is grouped with 5 other backs in Group C, Kirwan will have to explain how he has 6 runners listed in the five spots of 11-15.  Forte's company in his group are, Ahmad Bradshaw, Frank Gore, Peyton Hillis, DeAngelo Williams, and former Bear Cedric Benson.

Here's his take on Forte:

Forte gets his 1,000 yards behind a questionable line and scares defenses more as a receiver. Not flashy, but really solid in all phases of the game.

Unlike Cutler, who he thinks could jump up from his group, he believes Forte will stay in this group with a full 16 games played in 2011.  I disagree.  I think a healthy Forte, running behind what should be a better run blocking line and playing more comfortably in a running back friendly offense, will have a career year.

Be sure to peep out his full lists then come tell us what you think, not only on where these Bears rank, but also give us your take on his groups.

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Cutler has as much or more talent than every QB ahead of him on that list

he just needs to put in that little extra effort (not that he doesn’t do enough already…but compare that to Peyton) and do his part for the O to come together
Forte…well, he’s not in the top 5 talent-wise, but he’s sure to be close with the effort he puts in. Also, he is one of the real workhorse backs left in the league…do it all, and do it all well. That’s invaluable to any offense

by BOBdaBEAR on May 31, 2011 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

How is Romo in group B?

How are Freeman and Palmer ahead of Cutty?

Those are really my only three major issues with those lists.

I’m also amazed that Favre was mentioned twice, but wasn’t given a ranking…

by Doshi on May 31, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Cutler rating is fair

He has the talent to be a top 5, but his on-field production has him in the middle of the pack. Quite frankly, Forte and Cutler could be in group Z and I wouldn’t care, so long as we’re winning games. All I want out of my quaterback is W’s, numbers are don’t mean a thing if you’re not making the playoffs.

by DitkaStache on May 31, 2011 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

He's not #1

The Groups are listed in alphabetical order. He’s in the top 5.

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 31, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler is right on, Forte is underrated

I’m with you and Kirwin on Cutler, he’s ranked properly right now but he can move up with another year in the Martzfence.

As far as Forte goes, I think he gets no respect. I think he’s one of the most underrated back in the league. He does everything well and is the most important offensive player on the team. I said this in the other Forte thread but another year like he had last season and people will wake up and realize how great Forte really is.

Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.

by Sam Householder on May 31, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Hopefully Jay Sizzle is in "Group A"

In next year’s version of this list, with a SuperBowl title as a contributing factor.

by DaHamsta on May 31, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

yes please...

If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on May 31, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

But

his poutyness!

'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'

by T.Moore on May 31, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on May 31, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what, I've been thinking about something regarding that

The worst thing you can ever call a Cutler hater is a “Dilfer”

Cutler Hater: JAY CUTLER SUCKS; I HATE HIM

Me: Shut up you damn Dilfer!

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jun 1, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hmm....

Ah yes to be a Schlereth is to be a Denver Bronco Troll

Bronco Troll: Jay Cutler sucks; PRAISE ELWAY

Me: Shut up you damn Schlereth!

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jun 1, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's no way

Bradford and Freeman should be ahead of Cutler.

Also Forte needs to be in group B instead of McFadden.

I'll roll up

by suckmyditka on May 31, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Kirwan did a pretty good job

Regarding the QB’s, I don’t believe I would’ve had Freeman (group C) over Cutler or Sanchez (group D). Also I would put Roethlisburger (group B) over Rivers in group A.

As for the RBs, I think group B and group C are entirely interchangeable.

by rdent4hof on Jun 1, 2011 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

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