Free Agency Rolls On: DT Amobi Okoye is a Bear (Open Thread)
Bears free agency continued to be quite interesting as we've had a few developments from the first day of padless practice.
- Corey Graham will return for a one-year deal with the Bears.
- Essentially, SS Danieal Manning was traded to Houston for DT Amobi Okoye, also on a one-year deal. Might be his first job as a "rush man" is to "rush" DT Marcus Harrison out of town for showing up overweight. Again.
- The center position is taking an interesting turn... for the worst.
- Any dreams of Olin Kreutz returning might have officially died. According to Sean Jensen, the Bears attempted a one-year, $4 million "ultimatum," which didn't pique his interest. That's a shame, considering the reports of any of the guys that imitated "playing center" aren't exactly glowing." Also, apparently Edwin Williams, and not Roberto Garza, is the team's choice for first-team center. In other OL news, no real signees, but Herman Johnson was waived. Update: Per the Trib, the hold-up on getting Kreutz's deal done is $500,000.
- Carimi lined up at LT on the second string; we'll see if he stays there or forces his way up. My money's on the latter.
- Just in a minute ago, the Bears signed Marion "The Barbarian" Barber III to a two-year deal. Good-bye Chester or Bell?
There's your current developments; by the way, somehow, I don't know if anyone missed this, and I'm not sure if it's possible to have missed it, but it's my duty to inform you that Kelvin Hayden and Asante Samuel are both available at CB - via free agency and trade, respectively. Welcome to your new Free Agency Thread.
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Do not like the Marion the Barbarian move.
He is done.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We'll see if he's done in short yardage
Which is why we signed him.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
4 TDs last year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You're right.
Everyone is only as good as their previous season.
"The money don’t motivate me. The money don’t motivate me at all. But the thing is, maybe I do want to wake up one morning and say, ‘Baby, let’s go to the Bahamas. Today.’ That costs money."
- Mike James, Bi-Winning
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 30, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, and as a featured/goaline back he has combined for
18 TDs in three years, down from the 24 he had in season 2-3
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Cowboys are notorious
For misusing skill position players. I want to see what he can do when used properly.
Linebacker and RB are different spots.
A powerback lasts less than a speed back
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Isn't it the other way around
speed guys usually only last a couple of seasons before they get burnt out or hurt, whereas power backs continue to preform at a solid level because of a more solid build
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
I would think the other way...
because speed guys are running away from contact, running out of bounds etc…. and power backs fight for extra yards and pound themselves into piles.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
But how many "speed guys"
like Reggie Bush, Steve Slaton, Felix Jones are injury prone or ineffective because all they have is speed, and if they can’t use it or lose it their done for
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Tomlinson, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk
The Bus was the only true power back with dedicated stats
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Walter?
Jim Brown? Franco Harris?
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Jim was a combo, I'll give Franco, but he is low on the list.
Walter was power, but he was athletic, he didn’t need to power as much as Franco or Earl Campbell.
Eric Dickerson, Curtis Martin are speed guys.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Idk bout Dickerson
too young to see, and same with Martin
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Lots...
just like lots of power backs fizzle too. The combo guys are usually the ones with the best careers. Speed guys last a long time… the good ones. The bad ones weren’t going to last long anyways.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
spot on
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
They don't take the big hits
Look at Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Ladanian Tomlinson, etc
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Your talking 3 HOFers
I’m talking a second string and borderline starters…we don’t need nor expect Barber to be a HOFer, just a solid backup
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he's right.
Shaun Alexander’s an excellent example. But we’re not asking Barber to be the #1 back. Hopefully, we can squeeze a couple productive years out of him.
fast vs power backs
Your right as long as they take care of their bodies. I.e. Jarome bettus. He was picked up for short yardage downs because chester taylor is a receiving/ outside runner. We need between the tackles runner with a attitude. Taylor was never really a bear in my mind and we already signed kalil bell to an extention
by SuperBowlXX on Jul 31, 2011 5:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
basically i am thinking Forte between the 10's and
barber to pound it inside the 10 and in short yardage
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
The Cowboys were awful last year
and Wade Phillips was the cause, I am not ready to write this guy off. The locker room was a disaster down there, lets give him a chance.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
My friend is a cowboys fan and they call him Marion the Barbarian for a reason. The guy rushes like someone stole his car. I’m not ready to write him off either.
by Chitownproduct on Jul 30, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
From Peter King:
SI_PeterKing
I love Marion Barber for the Bears. Is that a December running back in Soldier Field or what?
For whatever that’s worth.
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by Pete Dixon on Jul 30, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't like King
but hopefully he’s right about something. Why not Unga instead? Doesn’t make much sense to me.
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
agreed
I guess I will be happy if it works out. Was looking forward to watching Unga though. Possible that if Unga looks good during practices that Barber is cut before the season starts. Not sure what Unga gets paid, but I would think it has to be significantly less than Barber.
certainly
the Bears can’t keep Chester Taylor, Barber, and give Forte a new contract. too much money to running back. Taylor or Barber has to go for sure, probably Taylor at this point.
Taylor looks like he's going...
But curiously, why did they resign Bell too?
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jul 31, 2011 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions
this was definitely an unexpected move,
pretty sure the Bears usually carry four running backs under Love. Last year Forte, Taylor, Bell, and Wolf. Before that I think it was Forte, Kevin Smith, Adrian Peterson, Wolf….. If I was Chester Taylor I wouldn’t be making any long term plans around Chicago.
Also, I Suspect Bell and or Unga better get excited about special teams real fast.
Said it above, but...
This might be the end of the road for CT.
ATTENTION JERRY. WHAT O-LINE.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way, not panicking.
Just hoping to see a tweet pop up that says “Bears sign (insert OL here!)” so I can feel giddy for a moment.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Since Jerry is signing like all of the former Cowboys to small deals...
“Bears sign Leonard Davis to 3 year deal”
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Not only Cowboys. Everyone.
Seems like a lot more 1-year deals than usual. Everyone positioning themselves for the next “normal” FA period?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
id be ok with davis as a stop gap
big boy that can block
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
by Bear Lovin 21 on Jul 30, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
wee-un
wait, wrong blog…
"The money don’t motivate me. The money don’t motivate me at all. But the thing is, maybe I do want to wake up one morning and say, ‘Baby, let’s go to the Bahamas. Today.’ That costs money."
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 30, 2011 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Akoye and Williams yaya. Barber no.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
whats the problem with Barber?
Used properly in short yardage situations he can be ok. He isntt going to rush for 1000 yards but we dont need him too.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
His average was down and he couldn't score as the goaline guy last year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well behind our incredible Oline he should be great....
oh wait, nevermind.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Who was going to throw at the goaline for the Cowboys?
Kitna? Wasn’t Romo injured…making Barber the focus…if you focus soley on the only threat in the endzone of course his production will go down
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Their line was superior to ours
and Barber is a power back.
Felix Jones and Tashard Choice were better for the Boys last year
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Their line was superior?
I guess Romo was lost for the season because he tripped over his own foot. That O-line was worst than ours last year
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Cowboys line was horrific last year.
wasn’t Leonard the guy who held ten times in the Game against the skins?
Their line was so superior
they cut 2 starters
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
And we are replacing four.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Not really
Kreutz, which would have needed to happen anyway since he’s aging and doesn’t have much time left, and LT, which is either getting replaced with Webb, who started or Carimi who just got drafted.
Garza will start, Williams will probably start, Edwin Williams might start agian plus Carimi and Webb, so we’re only replacing 2. Unless we sign 3 starting caliber lineman we won’t replace 4 starters
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and just because
were not replacing them doesnt mean we dont need to
More like Gabe Cadreamy <3
by comebackkirk12 on Jul 30, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I know
but I’m just saying we won’t. At least not this year…I still have high hopes for Lance Louis at guard, dude plays angry and nasty
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im all for
giving young guys like louis williams and webb a chance but as a fan its depressing to think that is the group protecting our quarterback going into the year. an influx of young lineman is great and all but the window is closing on our old as sin defense and we really need to be in a win it all in the next two years mode. if this group goes through growing pains but grows up together and becomes a great offensive line, awesome, but when that happens 3 years down the road our games could look like those old rams trackmeets
More like Gabe Cadreamy <3
by comebackkirk12 on Jul 30, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah...
maybe we’ll get lucky and just continually shuffle talent like the Patriots
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Like Forte in 2009?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually like both signings of Amobi Okoye and Marion Barber
I do not like the lowballing of Olin, we need Olin, and we need other upgrades at lineman. I also don’t mind going into next year with the same corners if it means upgrades at all other positions in the defense (which it looks like it does), but Kelvin Hayden and/or Asante would be really nice.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
$4m is low-balling?
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
So we have no upgrade every position but the ones that were the worst last year
At least this give me hope that the Bears arent done on FA. Come on a get us a Guard and a center named Olin.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
this is REALLY BAD
if we don’t have kreutz this year, we’re going to be in trouble. like, cutler on the IR by week 6.
don’t understand the barber signing either. if angelo just throwing darts at a huge FA board?
Damn Jerry really likes former Cowboys this year
Can we please sign Leonard Davis while we are at it!?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:11 PM CDT reply actions
I feel like we should be shouting "YEE-HAW"
following any Roy Williams or Barber TD this season.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Marc Columbo would be ok at the moment
speaking of Ex Cowboys
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
Don't want to see that bum back
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We need something on the Oline
I am not the biggest Columbo fan but we are looking at last years dreck or UDFAs protecting our 22 million dollar guy.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
There are plenty of guys available that are better than Marc
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ok, lets sign one.
however this makes me think Angelo isnt done, so there is still hope.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, because horrific injuries make a guy a bum...
wow.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He was healthy at one point before he was cut
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
When?
He was injured in his rookie year (2002), missed all of his 2003 season and was finally activated of the PUP list in late 2004 while he was still not 100%. He was released because Angelo thought he wasn’t going to ever completely recover.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
And it was a miscue on JA's part.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jul 31, 2011 5:11 AM CDT up reply actions
And/or Leonard Davis
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Like him. not Columbo
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'll go ahead and say it even though I'll get killed for it...
Kreutz sucked last year and he wasn’t too much better the year before that. It’s not totally impossible for us to get better at Center and have a better O-line without him. Maybe the Bears feel the same way. Just saying.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Waddle said that Kreutz was at the bottom last year at his position.
however he runs the line. Perhaps jay needs to step up and take more control?
Thats been going through my head all day
Maybe we dont need Olin back, just a thought.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's less of an issue of how good Olin is
as to how much crappier his in-house replacements may be. In short, I do not want Chris Williams touching my balls.
That’s what she said.
"The money don’t motivate me. The money don’t motivate me at all. But the thing is, maybe I do want to wake up one morning and say, ‘Baby, let’s go to the Bahamas. Today.’ That costs money."
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 30, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but I feel like we're a bunch of people
stuck in a marriage that we know is over but just holding on for the sake of not wanting to be alone. We have to move on at some point. Maybe, just maybe Williams or Edwin can get the job done.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
This is where I'm at
its done, 32 centers were better than him last year, let him go, this hurts more than watching Mike Brown go, but both things needed to happen
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Mike Brown still had a decent fture elsewhere
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
1 season for KC
not impressive stats, but not bad either…I have no idea what he’s done the last 2 seasons
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I decent year in 2009....
Out of the league in 2010.
There ya go.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you
And if one of the Williamses can stick, we have a long-term solution.
Pat Riley is the devil.
If I'm not mistaken
very few to no O-linemen have been signed today. Makes me think the players are holding deals up.
it's a business
Kreutz is arguably still a good center. He isn’t a great center. And he’s old. Unless the deal is multiple years with easy outs for us, I say we hold firm. $4m is overpaying for him by a little.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Kreutz...
is arguably a mid-level/mediocre/okay/average (however you want to put it) Center. He isn’t really “Good” or close to “Great”. He is also really old. We are emotionally attached, and terrified of the lack of other options, but he couldn’t start on 24-28 other NFL teams right now and doesn’t have any upside left….Why shell out more money?
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by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
BRENDAN GET US DA FANTASY NUMBAHS ON NFL CENTERS, STAT
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You will pay....
dearly my friend.
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by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
An in-thread reply works out just as well as a revenge piece, you know...
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
you finally got me...
I can’t find a decent Fantasy Football thing on O-Line guys….but I might do a piece on head coaches now :)
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by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch. Cold water from ESPNDallas Todd Archer...
Somebody tell Chicago that Dallas was 6-10 last year now that its signed Roy Williams, Sam Hurd, Marion Barber
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
Two words
Wade Phillips, nuff said.
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What a stupid
comment by that guy. Is he insinuating that these 3 guys were the reason for an entire team’s bad season?
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he's insinuating we plucked three guys from a team that finished 6-10.
Which is true, and clearly not all their fault.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes exactly the point I brought up above just wasn't sure of their late season record under Garrett.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
But under their new head coach they played much better towards the end of last season
So all the Cowgirls reporters need to shut up. I personally don’t have a problem taking talented players away from a shitty team.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Kruetz snap the ball to Harbaugh back in the day?
I mean he’s OLD.
Just win dammit!
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jul 30, 2011 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
Another zing from Biggs himself...
Flurry of moves it’s like #Bears are playing fantasy football for first time. Don’t have to draft an O-Line in most fantasy leagues.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
with the way the OLine is
expect barber and forte to have to do this ….. ALOT
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by Bear Lovin 21 on Jul 30, 2011 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Barber should have something left
Chester Taylor was 31 last year, we knew that was a risky deal.
Obviously Barber runs hard. But he just turned 28, he’s always split carries in the NFL (he only has about 100 more career carries than Chris Johnson), and he even split carries with Maroney in college. I love that the Bears finally got a RB who at least has a short yardage resume.
by YaoPau on Jul 30, 2011 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I can get behind this.
Ask me tomorrow when I’m not being all reactionary.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Kreutz at 1/4 is reasonable
Yes, he’s our leader, and he’s the veteran on the o-line…but he’s also a lot worse than he used to be. I think overpaying a little for him is fine. And…$4m for one year for him is more than reasonable. I’d hate to lose him, but it’d be worse to massively overpay. Keep in mind, he’s not one of the top centers in the league anymore. Some people even argue he’s closer to the bottom than the top. So…1 year, $4m is fair. It’s more than he got last year. And it’s only slightly less than the average annual amount he was paid on his last contract…which he signed when he was younger.
Well...after thinking about this for a while...
As much as I love Olin Kreutz and the insperation he was to me…he simply doesn’t fit into what we are aiming to be on the O-Line, a larger far more physical man-on-man system with a few spots of zone blocking.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
don't get me wrong, i really want him back
but if he wants more money and more years, that’s not reasonable at all. he’s not what he used to be, and he and his agent (and many of us, honestly) need to remember that. $4m is a good amount of money for someone who some rank as the 32nd best center in the league.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
In a short time last season
Edwin Williams was our highest rated O-Lineman last season by PFF.
Maybe Jerry will finally sign O-Lineman after all this bullshit is over with
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
No one is signing O-linemen. Just look at who all is still free.
I don’t remember hearing any O-linemen being signed, and there were a few that were released from teams as well.
they are waiting for the first one to sign and set the market
and no one is wanting to set the market and risk being the one to over pay it seems
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I'd honestly prefer Sampson Satele over Olin .....
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Says to me that there might be a lot of bidding wars going on behind the scenes.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Like the one we are allegedly in for Braylon Edwards...
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
One Yard
If Barber can convert a second or third and short…it is well worth it. I wonder who is out the door? Taylor, Bell, or Unga?
Obviously Taylor
Getting paid well, and Barber can catch passes too.
I'm betting competition between a guy we waited a year to see what he's got, a guy that only ran when he was in,
and Barber. I bet Bell’s safe, somehow.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Bell
not too much potential there and he doesn’t play special teams, I think Unga ends up on PS
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
If Unga and Barber both make the roster, that's a Forte and two power backs.
This sounds like Jim Hendry saying “We need to get more lefthanded.”
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
but thats all we use is power backs and solider pass catching RB's we've never really utlized a speed back though
the closest thing we had to that was Wolfe these past few years
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
I know Unga has the build for a powerback
and I’m not saying he wouldn’t be good at it, but have you seen film on him? He doesn’t really seem to have an extremely overpowering run style. He actually seemed to make people miss more than overpower them.
I've seen film of him running people over, but your right...
he does seem to make people miss just as much, if not more.
Which kinda excites me. He’s a truly athletic power back. Though I’m not getting like, Matt Forte excited or anything. I just think he has potential.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I can do a depth chart of Forte/Barber/Unga
But that would involve Taylor and Bell both getting cut, and it’s unlikely they keep 4 RBs even with the “extra roster spot.”
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have any problems with either of those releases....
In fact, I would condone the release of both. Taylor is misused and Bell is not likely to be re-signed by anyone else if we released him. Big heart, small talent.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see it for this year...
They have, but the fourth RB was usually also ST. Who does that this year? Bell? Doubtful.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 31, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Barber
excites me. As a replacement to Chester Taylor, that is a fantastic move. Taylor was a sub-3 yard per carry back in his 30s last year. This is an upgrade like Spaeth is an upgrade to the recently released Dugong.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Uh-oh, Kreutz fans...
Olin Kreutz’ agent Mark Bartelstein: “At this point, it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.”
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:23 PM CDT reply actions
:'(
Time to start considering a farewell post for Olin Kreutz…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He was always a guilty pleasure for me...
since I’m a huge Huskies fan. I loved getting to watch his whole career above high school.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Have fun with Amobi Okoye. This Broncos fan wished that he'd be reunited with Elvis Dumervil... but oh well.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
Elvis is a good End, he don't need Akoye's help too much
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We still need some defensive tackles. Otherwise we'll keep giving up 300 yard rushing days to the Chiefs.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jul 30, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean to Jamaal Charles.
Thomas Jones will tack on his own C-note in addition.
You guys will be much improved this year on defense
however you could have used deangelo Williams. Plus you now have another qb drama caused by mgmt. Too bad
The QB carousel needs to stop. Whoever it is, I don't care. I just hate drama.
Oh well, those are Broncos problems. This is a bears site.
Great additions, y’all. I like what the bears are doing… apart from sending away Cutler’s center.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jul 30, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Knowshon for them.
I know, he hasn’t really shown anything. But there’s just something about that guy I really like…
Hi guys (and gals)!
New to the sight, this will be my 50th season as a Chicago Bear fan. It started for the dumbest of reasons, in 62 the Bears drafted a guy with my same name, which was pretty cool for a 12 year old. A few years later Sayers and Butkus were drafted and I was hooked for life.
I am a SactownRoyalty commenter and suddenly realized this is the place to be to get Bears info as soon as possible. I will probably seldom make comments but will be a constant reader,
My only comment about the off season so far is that I have not been as excited as I was hoping.
You may see me at the Raider game. I will be the bald old guy getting pummeled defending his son who will wear a Hester jersey.
Love what I have read on this sight so far.
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
Welcome to WCG!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome and good luck with those RAIDERS! Hope to see you on TV
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Welcome
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Can I ask why you guys label so many of these posts "open thread."
I mean, every post is pretty much an open thread.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
There's a run of them
because it’s been a very fast free agency period, lots of comments that overfill posts and slow computers, and we’re kinda getting as much news as possible in each FA thread. Plus, we expect a little reactionary swearing from time to time.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
So we can swear and cuss
otherwise most posts aren’t, we try to keep it pretty clean and friendly here
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
Yeah.
It’s only because it’s so hectic with free agency now and we don’t want people to feel like they can’t be reactionary. Tamer than a game thread.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I don't know what your gameday cult ritual is,
but leave me out of it.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
::making voodoo shy guy::
we shall see Mr. Schweickert, we shall see
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(Orange Shy Guy folds his arms, glares hard)
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And if you can voodoo me to a drink, that'd be good too.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh.
Bad memories, friend. Bad memories.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
on green apple bacardi?
did you find a bacardi truck and drink them all?
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Nah.
One bad drinking game. That’s all I’ll say on it.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Need a Guard
We’ve needed to improve the middle of the O-line for awhile now. While we all love Olin, he is well past his prime and has been a weakness for us the past 3 years. We need 2 interior linemen to pair with Garza.
Barber is a beast! It has taken a toll on him, but he is still a beast when he can play. I like the signing (even though I still like Chester Taylor too). Forte, Barber, and Taylor would be a ridiculous backfield! Bell and Unga are both obviously inferior to Forte, Barber, and Taylor.
Okoye and Gholsten?? I guess 1 of them could still pan-out. Worth a shot. M. Harrison needs to go anyway.
Ok so now Edwin Williams at Center.....
And now does that mean Taylor is gone? I think so! Okoye signing is actually not bad especially on a 1 year deal so let’s see what the kid has. Kreutz going is sad as he deserved to be a Bear but hey I guess the time was now to move on from him and see what we got at C which is not much but still need to see.
I bet Erik is sad Herman Johnson was cut but hey maybe it means we get a legit OG to fill his spot. Interesting to say the least but it’s strange that the Bears version of FA shopping is snapping up the Cowboys’ scraps
Garza is going to Center.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Garza was the #1 today...
According to one of the tweets I linked from Jensen, woulda been Edwin Williams had he been able to participate before Aug 4.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I was a little sad to see the House cut
But if it means a legit Guard is coming in then Im all for it.
Still need a hug though as a big time idle to me in Olin Kreutz seems to be gone :(
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Side note...
I think we are all so on edge waiting for the big “guard” signing that we are forgetting to appreciate the tangible upgrades we are getting in depth on our team.
Spaeth vs. Big M.
Barber vs. Taylor (remember our short yardage doom)
Hurd vs. Davis
Williams vs….. D.A.? Iglesias?
Gholston vs….Oh yeah, we didn’t have a viable 4th End on the roster
Okoye vs. Harrison
Carimi vs. Shaffer
Paea vs. Harris
Podlesh vs. Maynard
Retention of Roach, Graham (who I was sure was gone), and Adams…
I know, I know…We need a center, we need a guard, and we could use an upgrade at Tackle too…None of these moves we can’t do those things though. A lot of these guys are rehab projects or players looking to prove something. I like fire, and I bet most of the above will have some.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Big M is long gone sir
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
that was the point :)
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's Olsen on your list?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Olsen....
Wasn’t replaced, he was determined to be an unnecessary piece, whether we like it or not. That is the one true “loss” of the off-season so far…and we can find 400 yards in Williams and Hurd if we need to.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
We're gonna miss him a year from now
Olsen’s stats last season are a reflection of how improperly he was used. Until a few days ago, we had a TE that not many linebackers could cover. Maybe K. Davis can be that guy, maybe not.
When Mad Martz leaves, after next year probably, we are gonna need a TE (that can catch) again. I rather we under-utilize him another yr or two then spend another 1 rd pick down the road.
but not really since thay don't play the same position
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
well
I just said that since the only reason Olsen was higher on the depth chart than all the other TEs on the roster was because of his receiving skills.
But stat-wise it's almost a straight trade
Olsen 2010 stats – 41 rec, 404 yards, 5 TDs
Williams 2010 Stats – 37 rec, 530 yds, 5 TDs
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Williams has a better history in Martz O and plays a more productive position in said O
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I can't argue with this.
I mean, I want to, but I can’t.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Truth.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's... The Chicago Way.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Grilled cheese with tomato soup.
Nummy!
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
The Jew in me is partial to Pastrami on rye!
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Also a fine sammich.
Or good old PB&J with an ice cold milk.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Ever tried one with Dr. Pepper?
That shit will make you jump!
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
OT but Dr. Pepper is my favorite beverage
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
you guys are killn' me
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
DONUTS!!!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree to an extent
It is the rational way of looking at these moves and yes almost all are upgrades. I’m just not sure about Barber and has the staff really seen enough of Unga to know he isn’t the guy? Barber is the only one that doesn’t quite make sense.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I would still like a Guard and maybe something in the way of a DB
But otherwise we are making progress, I am moving us up to B- C+ range on this Free Agency round.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT reply actions
Not a fan of all these 1-year deals
Basically, they are a bunch of flyers on busts, or risky players. But what if any of them work out? They either leave next year or hold the bears for ransom.
What’s the point? You have to have a little confidence in these players Jerry, otherwise why sign them.
by Jdavidev on Jul 30, 2011 8:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think it's cause they want a place to play this year
and a chance at the first “normal” free agency period next season, when things aren’t so crazy.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well a lot of these guys have been sub-par and they themselves need chances at redemption....
They play well they stay here with the only team that really gave them a shot.
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of teams are doing the one year deal thingy
Word is they are testing the parameters of the new CBA and getting a feel for the whole salary cap vs. floor.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
NO
THEY SHOULD ALWAYS PLAY FOR ONE YEAR 500K.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Okoye move too
I guess people like Toeaina and Adams here, and I think they’re decent starters, but you gotta at least try to place players next to Peppers who have pass rush ability. It was sad late last year seeing Peppers take on two linemen while the DTs or Idonije couldn’t exploit single blockers.
With Gholston, Okoye, Paea, Wooten, Melton now in tow… geez… I gotta think a couple guys will emerge from that group to be impact players… there’s too much physical talent there. And they’re all really young, and mostly healthy, and are known as hard workers, and have some history of being good pass rushers. I’m excited for it.
Hope we hit on one or two,
would be huge. Now about that offensive line…
I've been onthe Okoye trade since the end of last year
I’m pretty happy…and if it doesn’t work out nbd
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
I was looking at some numbers on Okoye earlier today
and the book on him so far is that he’s been horrible in run defense but upper echelon as a pass rusher. Even if he just comes in for 3rd downs and obvious passing situations, i’ll be happy.
He’s useful even if he doesn’t improve, but let’s not forget that he’s 24 and will hopefully have better coaching.
He has the leagues best dline coach
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Hello? Jerry Braylon Edwards, Malcolm Floyd….o-line!!!!!! How bout this? Trade your newly acquired 3rd rd pick for next yr and a 5th in 2k13 for asanti Samuel. And let’s call it a ring.
by TheGreatGrabowski on Jul 30, 2011 8:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hell no to Braylon Edwards....
He’s constantly getting arrested for drinking and driving so I’d rather he not be a Bear when he finally hurts someone!
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Samuel
does not fit the Tampa 2 scheme as the CB needs to be able to tackle. Samuel is a poor to average tackler.
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 30, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hayden seems to be the better fit
And I also guarantee Asante Samuel will be highly contested for by the losers of the Asomugha sweepstakes
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
as Indy played the Tampa 2. Samuel is a wanted man, in a system that fits his style.
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 30, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Clayton from ESPN just tweeted that Kruetz
is telling players he aint coming back, looks like the reports are correct.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:35 PM CDT reply actions
This'll be weird, not seeing Olin in a Bears jersey.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
end of an era
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That will be very disappointing.
I had hoped he would be one of the few in the modern era to be with one team for life.
Classy...
especially when your talking about the guy who’s three years review has him listed as the top pass-blocking center in football.
And people wonder why players aren’t loyal to teams anymore. Why should they be? The fans and teams sure aren’t loyal to them.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank You.
I’ll miss Olin on this team. I hope they get it done.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Huh?
Because I don’t want the #Bears to overpay Kreutz means that I’m not loyal to him?
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
shit.
Thought I was on twitter for a second there.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
But you are on twitter.
WAKE UP!!!
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Oh, and yes.
Sorry. That’s exactly what it means. Or you don’t respect what he’s meant to this organization. Take your pick. But 500K? Really?
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Bullshit.
I could say the same thing about you and being loyal to the organization. But I don’t, because it’s an ignorant and invalid statement.
And Kreutz… $500k… really?
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry.
But you’re wrong. That’s my take.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
So it only works one way?
Ridiculous.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right
Fuck the greedy bastard. He hasn’t produced to the level we’ve all held him to (6 pro bowls and all) for maybe a few years so SCREW HIM! We can do better with (insert name here) who doesn’t know the system and has zero credibility with this team. He’s an easily replaceable cog. And we’re up against the cap so we really need to save that 5th round rookie signing bonus for (insert player name here) on the principle that it will send the right message to the rest of the team. I quit. You win.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Nobody's saying that.
All people are saying is that if the Bears don’t resign Kreutz, placing the blame solely on the Bears for being cheap is an unfair way of looking at things. Negotiations require give-and-take on both sides.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And all I'm saying is for a man with his history with this team
you give.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Mike Brown was a great Bear for a lot of years.
Maybe we should go see how much money he wants.
I’m not saying he’s easily replaceable. I’m just saying he’s been offered a very fair deal so far. You’re making the Bears out to be the one’s who are unbudging. But they have. They upped their offer and finally after round and round of bullshit, gave him an ultimatum to get his ass into camp. Which he STILL came back with a counter offer. Fuck that.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry.
Let me clarify this. I think you and I generally see eye to eye on most things Bears. I think the Bears should choke on the contract and concede to a man who (had he played a more sexy position like running back or receiver) would have easily got that 500K from any team anywhere. (Fuck we gave 2 mil to an unproven bust receiver from Dallas) Nobodies flinching about giving draft busts from all over the league multi million dollar one year contracts. But we’ll balk about a man that, if he played another position, would just snap his fingers and get a huge contract from any team. Olin was, once upon a time, one of the best at his position. EVER as a Bear. But because he isn’t a running back or a quarterback let’s balk over 500K. Seems petty. You think Bears veterans aren’t taking notice of this? With the respect Olin has in that locker room? Wrong message. OVERPAY the man. Do it. The team may actually take notice of it. It sends the right message. We value those who have been of value to us.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
I agree with the sentiment.
I just believe the Bears have been more than fair. I mean, what’s the point of an ultimatum, if it doesn’t hold any water?
You have convinced me of one thing though. I finally believe that Halas invented everything ever related to football and the NFL.
And coming from an ex-center, I think that position is super sexy.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree.
I’m all for good negotiations, but giving an ultimatum, and then allowing a player on his last leg to dictate terms after of it sets the exact wrong message for an organization.
Giving a low number, realizing the guy has been great for you, caving a lot and giving him above average for a swan song season = Great
Refusing to cave over a stupid piddly sum after a ultimatum was given = sound business.
by Jacob Hayes on Jul 30, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Comparing Mike Brown to Olin Kreutz is ridiculous....
First, Brown couldn’t stay on the field. Second, Brown did more than decline, he free-fell.
Not to mention, why shouldnt the Bears ante up the extra $500K after Olin has in the past taken lower offers from the Bears to stay a Bears. Kreutz could have left long ago for more money.
A little respect wouldn’t kill the Bears.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Free fell? They cut him because of injuries
not ability
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He played 15 games in 2008....
Then was released after the season because he wasn’t the same DB anymore.
I wasn’t insulting Brown. He was one of my favorite players and I consider his injury decline of the biggest tragedies in Chicago sports over the last decade.
But facts are facts. The Bears released him because he lost several steps.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Look at his stats on the Chiefs the next year. Cut early and due to injuries
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah...about that...
if you look past the shallow stat line, he allowed more TDs than any FS in the league in 2009, and he played a full 16 games that year. The Chiefs grabbed Eric Berry to fix the problem.
Brown was still able to do what he did best, grab a couple of INTs. But notice that he had all of 3 passes defended.
He had one of the worst opposing QBRs in the league and gave up more TDs than anyone else at his position.
Considering that Pre-Injury, he was a great defender, I’d call that a free-fall.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Pass deflections are not a good stat
Mike never has had a ton of deflections and the tds are a result of a terrible Chiefs secondary which has not one DB remaining on that team.
He did his job well and was technically on par with his 05 pro bowl year
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Um, no he wasn't.
Let me repeat….he allowed the most TDs of any safety in the league. In 2005 he was among the best in the league at the very same stat.
In 2005 , he was among the best in the game in opponent QRB, and in 2009, he was among the worst.
I understand the need to defend a player you like, but Mike was made into a joke on highlight shows everywhere in 2009. You honestly don’t remember?
I do, because it pissed me off to see him treated that way.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
He was toasted by Steve Smith in the playoffs
And that punctuates my assertion that you need competent mates next to you.
If he had better teammates you don’t think he would have given up as many do you?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yes, I do.
Because he was their cover 1 defenses last line of defense. There wasn’t supposed to be anyone behind him covering for him.
I’m sorry, but Brown was done before he got to KC. It just took them a year to realize it. The couple of plays he made might make his stat line look nice. but watching him play that year was not fun. I really liked mike, and I wish it hadn’t went that way for him.
He was probably the best DB the Bears had in the last decade before his injuries. But in KC, his stat line doesn’t tell the story of anything but a couple of plays. Because his percentages against QBs were terrible. They picked on him all year.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd also note that he was ranked 75th in the league among safeties in 2009
No, that’s not a typo. He was the 75th ranked safety in the league in 2009.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Is there some secret formula for this like ST efficiency and QB rating
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No....
When you allow the most TDs at your position and among the best QBRs against you, you tend to be considered a poor player, even if you do make 3 or 4 plays in the season.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
read comment above.
It’s about the ultimatum, in my opinion.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
They didn't give an ultimatum to Brown, they just released him
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
They're talking about the ultimatum to Kreutz.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
But why give him 5miilion for a poor performer?
Edwin Williams could not do worse.
We are serving up Carimi Pancakes!!
Except that he HAS performed a ta reasonable level.
No, it’s not up to his standards of old, but I think bears fans have been spoiled at the center position for so long that they don’t recognize the difference between decline and bad.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that was his point.
And I’m not denying that he’s been an okay player. I’m just saying that he’s been given a more than fair offer, imo.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
And for the record.
Not calling YOU ignorant here. Evidently that needs to be cleared up. I guess.
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
You have the right to remain ignorant.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 31, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions
When did I address you?
I believe I directly responded to the post that painted our 8th ranked passblocking center as standing in walmart watching people pass him by like he did in the league.
You can have your opinion, but I haven’t seen you trashing what Olin has done, either. Or did I miss something?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I assumed you were speaking in generalities with this:
And people wonder why players aren’t loyal to teams anymore. Why should they be? The fans and teams sure aren’t loyal to them.
It’s been a long night.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
S'OK, brother.
I think your wrong on Kreutz. But I wouldn’t defame your fandom. I know you love the Bears. We just have different ideas of what is right in this case.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to echo that.
But I think Angelo and the organization should give Olin his due and overpay him. However, I understand they are waiting for the market to establish his value so I’ll concede that, for now, the Bears should stand firm. However, should he sign with another team for any deal within 1 mil of the Bears offer, shame on us for not stepping up when we could. That is all.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Strangely,
and after all of this, I kind of agree with you. However, I don’t think he’ll go anywhere else.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope not.
I tried to e-mail you but failed. This morning I put down my 13 year old golden retriever. My thoughts on loyalty may be a bit skewed right now. Just sayin’
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Condolences
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
You're good.
You could always just send me a message on twitter. ;)
And sorry to hear about your dog.
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't want to go anywhere else.
But I think this comes down to respect, and offering him $3M was a lowball offer for a guy they paid $6M to last season.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Why do people keep saying this?
They didn’t pay him $6M last season. It was closer to 3 million.
too bad
i think he and/or his agent and whoever (SF, probably) is offering him a better deal are out of touch with reality. he’s just not an upper-tier center anymore.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
SF needs someone like Olin in their locker room
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no doubt
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, options do exist.
Spencer, O’Hara, Goodwin, Sendlein are all decent centers.
Nicks (RFA, I know), Blalock are good left guards
Gaither, Trueblood, Harris, Brown, Locklear are all decent Tackles.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The issue is whether or not they attempt to sign one of said options. Just because they tried to get Colon doesn't mean they need to stop trying
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know who's trying
to sign those guys. I haven’t heard any new on O-linemen today, besides Kreutz
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 30, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Sendlein resigned with the Cardinals
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for the update
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by Brendan Hess on Jul 30, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They could go all young guys...
LT Carimi
LG C. Williams
C E. Williams
RG Louis
RT Webb
That’d be interesting and kinda fun, especially when Jay starts cursing out Angelo in a preseason presser. I think it’s the right time to commit to developing a young line, although if they can get an experienced young guy like Blalock or Gaither that’d be amazing. I’d actually be pretty happy with this offseason overall if that happened.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
the thought of this
makes me glad i just moved from chicago to nashville. having to watch that would be TORTURE
More like Gabe Cadreamy <3
by comebackkirk12 on Jul 30, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
the Kreutz non-signing could be a good thing if they spend some money on a real guard. Garza plus Brian Waters or whatever is better than Kreutz and Garza. If they sign Sean Locklear or Ryan Harris to play RT, then have Webb be developmental/swing, that’s even better.
I think the Barber, Okoye and Gholsten moves are all low-risk, moderate rewards moves. Philly, Houston etc are playing to win, we are playing to hit at least .500. That’s kind of been Angelo’s MO since he got here—don’t take gambles, it’s better for job security to be around .500 all the time than be great one year and have a couple bad years after that.
DEJESUS!!!
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by suckmyditka on Jul 30, 2011 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Saw that, I agree...
I think Barber’s your Taylor replacement.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely.
I’ve always liked Barber.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 30, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Taylor was a poor man's Forte anyway.
Didn’t get it last year since they have the same skill set.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Workout bonus?
Don’t think it was enough to be significant against the budget, looks like 1.2 over the life of the contract.
He is due 1.275 Mil this year.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
I think that there’s a competition for #2 between Taylor and Barber, and that the #3 competition will be between Bell and Unga. Loser of each gets cut or PS.
Think he is right
Taylor had problems with the short yardage (though you can blame o line for that)….Like Barber in short yardage over both Forte and Taylor……Loves the fight he had in the past…..
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by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
OT, but I find Hawk Harrellson extremely, extremely, VERY irritating.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
Can o Corn.
Duck snort into center.
Don’t know why you’d find that annoying at all
Had the Sox game on for background noise when I got home. Don't know why.
Beckham homered, Hawk goes wild.
The team is down now 5-2 instead of 5-1. Whoo-freaking-hoo.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sox have been playing well enough lately to come back from that kind of deficit
but it didn’t happen tonight.
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Hawk Harrellson? wasn't he a right fielder who only hit like .240
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Edwards wld b by far our best WR. Godspeed Olin you will b missed.
by TheGreatGrabowski on Jul 30, 2011 8:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
would love to see Braylon in a Bear uni
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jul 30, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch out Bears fans, here comes Chris Spencer (IMO)
Ruskell’s first draft pick in Seattle is basically the only C available on the open market.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 30, 2011 8:44 PM CDT reply actions
That counts as somebody.
Not a big fan of Spencer or Locklear personally… as a Bears fan who lives in Seattle.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Shaun O'Hara is also available
As is that Center from Washington.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The same Spencer that PFF has 7th from the worst in pass blocking efficiency over the last three years?
Ouch.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that a better
rating than Kreutz?
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 30, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Kreutz according to PFF is #1 over the last three years in pass-blocking efficiency.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, I forgot something...
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I had one that looked just like that
wtf was with the sideways mounted radio? Never once thought that was a good idea.
Here are some guys we could look at for center ....
……Jonathan Goodwin , Chris Spencer & Samson Satele . All would be considered an improvment over Olin .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Olin's problem
was run-blocking. He was still a good pass-blocker.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
8th best in the NFL to be exact
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
8th last year
and #1 over the last three years.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think we'll be fine without him .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly hope so
For the sake of our franchise QB
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine as in we'll get about the same line production?
Or fine as in “At least Cutler isn’t Houston David Carr!”?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine as in I think if we can get a real center ...
… in town we’ll play better . Now if we go Garza I’m thinkin we play the same to worse .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take better tackle and guard play...
and a Center that can get a little push up the middle unlike Olin last year. As a run blocker, he might be done.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
RIP Jay Cutler..
We will need to draft another QB next year..
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by Claudio Oliveira on Jul 30, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Step back off the ledge Olin was marginal at best & ....
….. not worthy of the money he wants . Will we has some growing pains replacing Olin ? Yes , but when he signs with the 49ers , or whatever center desprate gets him , I think we’ll all see hes done . Another name to watch is former Eagle Nick Cole .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Hes huge
Kinda inconsistant.
But, perhaps Tice could work his magic
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And Olin was consistant ? .......
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
At least Olin Kreutz started every game he was dressed for
Look at how many games Nick Cole started over his career as an Eagle.
He has only had one season when he started all 16 games.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ruskell?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
by Pete Dixon on Jul 30, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ding Ding Ding.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love this as i like Marion Barber and wanted him here I didnt see this comming
I also didn’t see comming is us not fixing arguably the single reason why we didnt make the SB last year. THE FUCKING O LINE!!!
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Well Carimi is one
But he’s not enough
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Well looks like this is the end of the Kreutz era in Chicago
Hopefully now Jerry is done putzing around and begins signing O-Lineman before Tice gets pissed and resigns with that abomination we have for a current O-Line.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:49 PM CDT reply actions
any chance Tice is tellign JA that Olin is easily replacable and has a list of who he wants
if Olin wont sign for the final offer?
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Or Angelo is listening to Ruskell who didn't give two shits about the oline while in Seattle thus crucifying Matt Hasselbeck for 3 years
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really think Angelo needed much help in that department.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no clue at this point in regards for the O-Line
As it appears we definitely will have 5 new starters to the O-Line
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
At the least, five people that weren't in the same position or the same team.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Tice better be preppared to coach his ass off
We can’t afford to get even worse (if that is possible) on the O-Line. Cutler already suffered a concussion and a knee injury thanks to the O-Line last year, I don’t think he could survive another year like that.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
JA forgot he has a franchise QB
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
maybe no one in Bears front office
understand how to protect a franchise QB, we havent had one if decades
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Well maybe Jay has worked on a quicker release
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
At least we have someone who can run a slant then...
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Marino-esque
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
might be a perfect example
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Hes going to have to release the ball right after the snap
With such an inexperianced O-Line combined with an extremely short offseason this has disaster written all over it
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
lots of shot gun formations
and then pray?
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Martz? Shotgun? Regularly?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i know it wont happen
but it might be his best bet for survival. Maybe Cutler writes in his own audibles and no one tells Martz
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it worries me that this O Line might compete with the first year Texans
in terms of block avoidance during pass plays
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.....
Not quite.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to be a Negative Nancy
But Kreutz replaced Casey Wiggeman (SP?)
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
You're not a Negative Nancy.
Debbie Downer? Mmmmmaybe.
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Davey Downer.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So like when Amobi gets a sack
do we call him Moby or not? Cause that would imply we either can’t find him or he’s doing bad electronica hip-hop stuff, and I don’t think I want to associate him with that. Although, Moby did rip Ahab’s stuff a new one once or twice, so that’d be all good too.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
Lose a Manatee, gain a whale.
Awesome.
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by Bears Fan? on Jul 30, 2011 8:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm stunned.
How is it we could actually have a worse line this year?
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The weird part is I read Olin asked for less money this year than he made last year (I think he made just under 6mil last year.) So, he probably asked for 5 and they offered 4. They’re going to let their vet center go, without a ready replacement, over roughly a million bucks? I don’t know a damn thing about NFL contracts, but that sounds kind of cheap. Maybe they were just looking for an excuse to move on. It sucks, whatever the case is.
Feels like the beat writers all went to sleep or something.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:02 PM CDT reply actions
maybe they are all trying out for center with Tice?
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
John Goodwin is a solid option to replace Olin . He ...
… comes from a pass heavy system and is solid all around .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He be beast with Tice coaching him up !
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Heel yeah I know him he was a Blues Brother man ....
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
OK so he was a back up Blues Brother ( and not a good one )
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Also lets not forget we did grab Alex Linnenkohl who many though ....
…. would be a 4 – 6th round pick . Kid can play .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
So you think he's ready to start in the NFL?
A UDFA? If that’s the plan? Fire everybody.
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by Just Dave on Jul 30, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sayin start , but he could be good if given a chance . I'm thinkin Nick Cole ( former Iggles center ) is in our future .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be the first time it's happened in the league....
And I read something the other day talking about over the past twenty years there has been more success from UDFA at the center position than from drafted prospects.
If that’s true (I didn’t research it myself) then that tells me a lot about the evaluation process around the league for centers….and none of it’s is good.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
HEY, Olin was drafted. Matt Birk too
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I am still shocked
that we haven’t gotten any OL in this FA chaos…and we aren’t spending the money its going to take to beat our division rivals
by no.fair.weather.fan.here on Jul 30, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed ^^
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
but we have missed several good players
who should have been a priority over some of the ones we have now. Cutler took over 50 sacks last season and that is ATROCIOUS…I know defense wins chanpionships but we have got to take care of the first good QB this city has seen in decades…
P.S. I am pissed we are low balling Olin as well
by no.fair.weather.fan.here on Jul 30, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Im sure its being worked on
Kreutz was a big part of the front office and now that he is (or will be) gone Im sure they are looking at alternatives so Im still confident.
I am losing confidence in JA
by no.fair.weather.fan.here on Jul 30, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You're one of the few.
I know that many lost it years ago.
Jagermeister... Germany's finest export next to every hot German chick... And there are a lot of them!
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Colt 45.... Cuz nothing says cool like Billy Dee Williams
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
michaelombardi Michael Lombardi
I wonder how slow Marion Barber is going to look on the slowest field in the NFL. Unless he has gained explosion I don’t get this signing
1 minute ago
I'll roll up
He's going to run over people because I said so.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
So he only plays on the road.
Fuck Michael Lombardi.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
That and I don't know how he is going to get anywhere being slow and being behind that line.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I've got it.
Marion Barber is our next center.
Suddenly it all makes sense.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
i responded to his tweet
saying its a good thing we dont play every game at home, fucking hater
by Dilfer_The_Dbag on Jul 30, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you mean link?
Because he shouted the source to the entire interwebs.
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Mutha Fucka!!!
Don’t start nothin, won’t be nothin!!!
Tee hee!
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Scissorhands.
We’ll have lovely shrubberies shaped O-Lineman.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
A hedge maze
could block better than the 2010 Chicago Bears O-Line.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Those things are confusing!
It took me like a half hour to go through one of those things. I hope Jay Cutler could make a pass by then.
would be one effective way to keep people off Cutler
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Colon
We didn’t do so well when it was just us and Pittsburgh with Colon. I’m not going to get excited…
nytimes.com doesn't have it up yet that I see...
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect
So now after losing Olin Kreutz do we take a gamble on Edwards? He definitely won’t sign a 1 year contract with us.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Lombardi is such a cock sucker
michaelombardi Michael Lombardi
If Barber was still a power short yardage back he would still be in Dallas. They needed one last year with Barber on the team
2 minutes ago
I'll roll up
This might be the best comeback ever.
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So you must have voted for this guy then

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer "he blows small goats."
Small being the key to the entire statement.
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Dude, Wolfe's been non-tendered.
Why you gotta keep bringing him up like that? Seriously, what next, he caused Jay’s hurt knee in the NFCCG?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Biggs is killing me...
@BradBiggs We gonna get Colombo too? #Bears
Jesus what the hell is with this team picking up the Cowboys scraps? We need interior help not a RT who was cursed when he played here
by frenchbears113 on Jul 30, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So how about Leonard Davis?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we'll get the respect of the Cowboys.
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
u just made me puke all over my keyboard
simone..that’ll be 7.50…. and bring some paper towels….maybe some tweezers….i htink i see some fluffy puff nibblins in there….
I'll roll up
Tommie
Will never forgive him for leg-whipping Tommie Harris, thus ending his effectiveness…
Angelo drafted him, so I am sure he is pining for Marc
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I give up
I am officially done trying to understand these moves. Williams made sense, Okoye, sure. Hurd totally get.
But why Marion Barber, I’m sure everyone has been asking this but really, why?
Why when we have Unga for competition w/ Chester Taylor, Forte needs no competition. So Barber competes with Taylor and Unga becomes a camp body? What a waste of a guy we never got to see do anything!!
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 9:32 PM CDT reply actions
Bingo
I am not that high on Barber anyway, I think his best years are behind him if he isn’t done already.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Me neither
Especially since they gave him $5 million over two years. What? Why not give Kreutz the five for one year?!
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
Wait just a cotton picking moment.
You are (I assume) a Bears fan. I would think you have probably been one for several years now. Most likely throughout the entire Angelo/Lovie regime, no? And NOW you’ve given up trying to understand these moves? NOW? Wow. That’s an amazing tolerance level you’ve developed there.
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I thought it was written on the back of the membership card.
Front side: “Welcome to Being a Bears Fan!”
Back side: “Stop trying to understand anything we do here.”
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I just meant for this year.
Haaha. Last year made sense….mostly.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The entire 2007 draft class has me quite baffled.
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What 2007 draft class?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah
and ’09’s while we’re at it…
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He needs to get up to 90% of the cap
Here is an idea, spend whatever is needed to be spent on Olin and two guards for 1 year contracts and…bingo….Cap space used up.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No all teams are still required to roughly match that
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I just read something that says teams must spend 99% of the cap.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=12012415
I know it is a Bucs thing, but it is recent.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
This is the first and last time I’m going to try and understand this salary cap bullshit. Thanks for the heads up.
I think the below respondent was probably right...
but we are chasing after explanation from a coupla Buc fans. I think we can do better.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Meaning it was probably closer to 89% than 99%.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 30, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's true
I think the cap “floor” is extremely high for the next2 years before “dropping” a bit. It also explains all the short term contracts.
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CBA
Apparently the team minimums do not take effect until 2013. I cannot speak to the league minimum…
Yeah,
I said this last night, and was told I was wrong. Good luck.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You should have used cap locks.
Or some anger font.
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comic sans?
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
*it makes me angry
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Loud and clear.
Ever check out that Blambot guy I tweeted awhile back?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Nah.
I’ll have to check it out though.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS CAP EITHER!
APPARENTLY I’M HEARING DIFFERING OPINIONS FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES! THIS IS ALL VERY CONFUSING!! THANK YOU!!
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I love how you think Barber is done but Kreutz isn't done.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
When asked if either of the UDFA centers could replace Olin this year...
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:39 PM CDT reply actions
But I bet that Jerry's "Plan B" right now.
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Thank God
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I would just like to take a moment to say something.
Fucknuts. Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
From the "So true, but please Ditka no!" department...
We can make a wild day of camp a little nuttier if #Bears would sign Cedric Benson. They are collecting draft busts?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions
We don't collect our own draft busts.
Get on board Biggs.
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How does he twitter so much with those tiny T-Rex arms and a beer gut?
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
I don't know but he is a nice guy
And he sucks at Golden Tee.
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by Just Dave on Jul 30, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I snickered.
Rec’d for Golden Tee.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It's true.
The man can’t play Golden Tee to save his life. But he will buy the round when it’s his turn.
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Is Biggs seeing ainything related to the Bears targetting O-Lineman?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Biggs hasn't tweeted any actual news in a while.
So on that front, I got nothin’.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
then why not Marc Columbo
he was a Bears bust and is now a former Cowboy, he fits both bills
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
He can play for Buffalo if he fits the bill.
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BA DUM tsh...
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS JUST IN, EXCLUSIVE TO WCG
I have signed Honey Nut Cheerios to be a late snack for a contract length of one bowl. Terms undisclosed.
And said bowl can block better than the 2010 Chicago Bears O-Line.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
Yay....
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
What were his stats last year?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Excellent.
Really came through in the clutch, performed well in the playoffs, played through injury of a broken box and mentored the inferior cereals in the cabinet in down time. Never appeared pouty or quit, and has really been a go-to guy.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Ashley [HoneyBear] and I
Just signed a bowl each of Fruity Pebbles for a one bowl contract.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
In a cereal bonanza. I signed cocoa pebble cereal to a multibowl contract
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Pooty Pebbles?
Sorry. Flashbacks from an old thread.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Good stuff.
A solid #2 receiver on my team.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
We should give a contract to Jamarcus Russel too
since JA likes to give draft busts a second chance…
How could Martz NOT want him
He can chuck it 80 yards, eat like ManuManatee and he’s so fat he can’t help but stay in the pocket and run the offense to perfection!!
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I like marion barber signing
He can fing block…. say WHA?
That was why we drafted Matt and signed Taylor
that was their “Forte”
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Could be worse...
We could have signed TIKI Barber…..
ducks
by David in Maine on Jul 30, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If we sign him after you said that...
Expect a mob to greet you tomorrow morning
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd have a snarky response,
but I’m too busy writing about kickers to come up with something.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Resign FA signing duties Jerry
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
then he should understand he needs to stop reading and sign OLine
NOW
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Really?
Cause if he is reading this right now then he should be in negotiations with an O-Lineman right now!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Kreutz wants 500k more than the Bears are offering
by arenbe on Jul 30, 2011 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You f-ing serious?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Link or it didn't happen
I can’t believe the deal would fall apart over a 500k difference
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It took me MONTHS to figure out how to link in a post
So I must be brain dead. No replies necessary.
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Good God
That is absolutely ridiculous.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE UNDER JA!!!
How can you let the undisputed leader of the team and a team staple of the last 13 years walk away over $500k?!?!
That’s like $5 in the NFL world.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
set up a paypal
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if thats the case, there is no reason not to sign him
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Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
I want Kreutz to block better.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry. He has been declining in performance
But there’s something to be said for rewarding loyalty and leadership. If 500K is really the difference at this point, shame on the Bears.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
There's also something to be said about
playing the team that you’re so “loyal” to for $500k. He’s aging, he’s declining, and $4m is a pretty effin’ good deal for a player at his current playing ability. But yes, please, let’s just give him what he wants because we’re starting to look desperate.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
But let’s make sure he retires a Bear. I’m not saying break the bank but 500K? Seriously? Don’t look at last year. Look at the career. Plus leadership is one hell of an intangible. Can’t just go get that anywhere. Can’t find that in free agency.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Look at last year....
He was the eighth ranked pass-blocker at the position. Aren’t we all bitching about pass-blocking? All I see in response to the lack of OL signings is “RIP Jay” not “RIP Matt”.
I’m really tired of the extremes about some of our players. No, he’s not the best any more. But for what we need, he’s top 10 in pass blocking and one of the best leaders in the game.
Fuck……
….in other words, I agree.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure.
And they offered him a fair contract for those services.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
After he took lesser money to stay a Bear in the past, you don't.....
think it’s fair for Chicago to give in here? I’m sorry, but Kreutz deserves more respect from the team than this, IMO. I’m usually the one telling everyone to calm down, but this one makes my blood boil.
Olin was NOT a horrible linemen last year. He was surrounded by bad talent. yet I’m reading people say that J Webb was a better linemen? Or Garza? Don’t get me wrong, I like them both, But Olin was better than either, both by what I watched and by PFFs ranking system.
He’s lost a step in the run-blocking category, but then, who’s running around here saying “RIP Matt”? Pass blocking killed us last year, not run blocking. And Olin was a Top 10 pass-blocker last year.
The man took a loss for the team in the past. They can shell out a few etra bucks for him now that they can afford it. The fact that the front office, which I probably support more than 90% of the people on this site, has let it get this far after Kreutz loyal and willingly took a lesser contract when he was among the best in the league and had them over a barrel literally disgusts me.
I am honestly ashamed that the Bears cannot show the same loyalty to Olin that he showed to them.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Screw it Tim,
this is no time to be logical!
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i think $4m is way too much as it is
but…if we’re willing to go that high, an extra $500k shouldn’t be that big of a deal. of course, if nobody else is offering that much, it suggests the $4m is probably too much as well.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
$500k isn’t that much. But the Bears probably started much lower. Then they went back and forth and the organization finally said enough is enough and gave him the $4m ultimatum. Now Kreutz is saying $500k more? It doesn’t seem like much, but who knows how far they’ve come up from their original offer already.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
They offered 3 mil initially.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
what did Olin ask for initially?
has he come down a lot?
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5 million
Dropped it to 4.5
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
hey Olin, make it $4.25 and lets all walk away Happy
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A: Ditka
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Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
good.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Bad.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Indifferent?!?
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty? Definitely not.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
i dunno
not to be stubborn over loose change…but isn’t $4m already way too much for olin? yes, he provides leadership and stability, but he’s horrible against the run. that’s a lot of money to give to a guy who is, maybe, in the top half of centers in this league (and that’s being generous), just because he’s been with us his whole career.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
with larger and/or younger linesmen and TE around him
I can see his lack of run blocking not being as big of an issue IF the others can step up
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sure, agreed...
but again, what exactly are you getting for that money? stability and leadership at that position, coupled with maybe slightly-above-league-average overall play is not worth $4m.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
From the article the Bears said $3 million
Kreutz’ agent countered with $5 M then the Bears bumped it up to $4 million and will not budge any higher.
I did the same negotiation with my child earlier.
She wanted to play five more minutes, I said three. She said four. I said three. We left in three.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You have all the leverage.
I hope.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Oh man, I know how this works. I watched that show Pawn Stars. Once they get uppity, you start lowering your offer instead of raising it. CAN’T LOSE!
but then you have to call in an expert
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
Yeah but she probably takes after her mother and is really sharp.
She was really hoping for two and just started high knowing that she has you wrapped around her finger. :)
Daughters are awesome like that.
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Okay this is getting fucking rediculous
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
THAT IS CRAP. JA is a moron
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
by Shuggs on Jul 30, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Try dipshit
Christ 500 grand is going to be the differance between us having at least a little stability to our O-Line and having no stability at all!?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come to your senses and bring 57 back to town
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Seriously?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Then if Olin Kreutz and/or the Bears organization is reading this post...
Put aside your selfish differances and make a compromise already!!!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what is screwing up the negotiation
The Bears don’t have to budge because their is no competition for his services, they could wait it out until Olin breaks.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
or signs in SF
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Apparantly the 49ers do not have a counter-offer
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
we can hope it stays that way
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Kind of reminds me of what is going on in present day Washington DC, huh?
Never thought that living in 1947 Los Angeles would be more stable.
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by Cole Phelps on Jul 30, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
500 grand is like .4 of the salary cap
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
.4% not 4%
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We are talking about JA
At what point in his career has he made a good decision on the OLine
by thepreacher on Jul 30, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Lovie needs to throw his weight into it
and show JA how much Kreutz means.
The Bears twisted the deal to 1 year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
John Tait, Rueben Brown, if I'm not mistaken and
He just drafted Carimi. He’s made some good choices at O-line.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Idk if he drafted those guys
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Brown was a long time Bill and Tait was a Chief
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Doesn't matter if they were drafted
The question is if JA made good decisions with the line.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
It isn't hard to take a multi Pro Bowl Guard
and the consensus top tackle that offseason in Tait. I could have figured that out.
The genius pick ups were Garza and Fred Miller, and they didn’t last beyond their value
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Oh whatever
He had to make the moves and he did. So if Williams has a comeback year and Barber scores 10 TDs, I don’t want to hear how it was a no-brainer to sign those guys.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Well I would consider those genius moves
Considering am not and many fans are high on either of them to perform.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Aren't favorable to them
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'll give you that
Not sold on Carimi yet.
by thepreacher on Jul 30, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously though,
Where the hell is Kreutz going? If we know he’s done don’t you think all the other teams do too? If we keep him it’s only because of his knowledge of the offense.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
That is BS
Give Olin the 500k that he wants.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Looks like Mike Tice is getting frustrated from all of this
Mike Tice:
I can’t coach someone that isn’t here
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:16 PM CDT reply actions
There might, really have no idea what is going on
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Na IMO just Tice
venting steam from media asking about the Olin situation….But thats just me….
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by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be mad as hell too if something this rediculous involved my best O-Lineman
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He was the bes O line men the
Bears had? Might be the smartest and leader but best Bears O line player?….
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by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Out of our current bunch?
He definitely is our best veteran O-Lineman
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunno for me
I liked Garza (fellow Latino) and JWebb over Kruetz play last season……But thats just me…..
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by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Olin was the leagues eighth ranked pass blocker....
which seems ot be everyones biggest concern. That ranks him higher, last year, than every single free agent center available.
I think his skills are being undersold.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
For his leadership and the 8th best passblocker at his position, yes. He was worth $6M last year, so why isn’t he worth $4.5M this year?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't worth $6 mil last year
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Says who?
He was the only linemen with a positive ranking in Pass protection and was top ten in the league at , judging by this thread, everyone’s biggest concern.
So why wasn’t he worth the money. As bad as the line was, it would have been a lot worse without Olin.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
From PFF
Had a Bad Year: C Olin Kreutz (+8.9 to -18.8)
The Bears’ offensive line was a mess for most of 2010, which included Kreutz not living up to his reputation. He is a good pass blocker for a center but that doesn’t make up for his regression to one of the worst run-blockers in the league. A better offensive line could make the Bears offense very scary, but Kreutz who will be turning 34 prior to next season, might not be a part of that for much longer.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/02/14/2010-movers-and-fallers-nfc-north/
Kreutz wasn’t good last year. He may rebound next year, but I think the odds are against it. The only reason I’m not fully aboard the “ship Kreutz out” train is that there are no good free agent Cs out there to replace him. But if we’re gonna have to overpay him to keep him, I’d rather the Bears turn around and use that money to overpay an established guard and an established tackle and let Edwin and Chris Williams duke it out for the C spot. If one of those two steps up and plays well, we have a long-term solution there. If not, at least we’re set at two other spots long-term.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, his run blocking was horrible.
But his pass blocking and screen blocking numbers were both positive. That entire article is based on his decline as a run blocker, and it’s one writers opinion of what his overall value is.
I will say yet again, nobody here is playing the “RIP Matt” card. It’s all about pass blocking, and Kreutz is yet a top ten pass blocker.
One horrible year in one category and he’s suddenly not good?
And, the Bears aren’t going to miss out on a Guard because they pay Kreutz. They have a ton of cap room. If they miss out on a guard, It’ll be because they screwed the pouch some other way.
This is exactly what I was talking about above.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure -18.8 (down from +8.9 the year before) was PFF's overall rating for Kreutz, not just his run-blocking rating.
And it’s definitely not all about pass-blocking. Have you paid attention to how awful our offense has been in short-yardage situations the past 2 years? Our O-line simply hasn’t been able to generate that push up front.
And no, the Bears aren’t gonna miss out on a guard because they paid Kreutz. But if you want a guard, a tackle, and a CB, as many fans seem to, we may end up pushing the limits of our cap room. If we can get Jacob Bell, Jared Gaither and Kelvin Hayden, I’ll gladly say bye to Kreutz.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
right
olin is a major reason we don’t convert some 3rd and shorts, which makes a huge impact on games. so, his great pass blocking numbers are fine, but the run-blocking aspect can also have a huge impact on games. and…yes, he’s not good there at all anymore. whereas other teams can punch it up the middle for a yard or two, we usually can’t, and olin is a big reason for that.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Olin is a big part of....
why we don’t convert 3d and short over center. Has little to do with why we failed to convert third and short outside of the guards.
In other words, playcalling didn’t help.
Not saying Olin is a great run-blocker any more. But I think there was more to his (and the rest of the lines, for that matter) failures in that aspect than just talent and ability.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
If everyone knows you can’t run it up the middle on 3rd and short, that makes it a lot easier for them to guard all those other plays because they’re expecting them.
Also, i’ve seen plenty of defenders push through the middle of the line to stuff or re-direct an outside run. When your o-line is being pushed backwards, it makes everything harder.
I'm guessing that you don't have the premium stats and are just going by the article.
You don’t strinke me as the kinda guy who deliberately ignores what he reads, so I’ve got to assume you don’t shell ot money to PFF.
The only negative rating Kreutz had were Run Blocking and Penalties. To give you an idea, his run blocking was actually -18.1 and his penalty score was -3.9. His pass blocking was +1.8 (8th in the league) and his screen blockong was +0.5 (15th in the league)
His run blocking was attrocious. But his pass blocking and screen blocking were both good.
And I think the Bears will end up coming in fighting to reach the (unenforced) floor whether they sign Olin or not. They can get those three players and plenty more and still keep Olin.
If the bears bring up the guards, I think you’ll see a bump in Olin’s RB numbers, as well. But he will never be the runblocker he used to be. I’m not saying that runblocking isn’t important. But keeping Jay alive needs to be the top priority, and Olin is the best FA center for that job.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
So his overall was -18.8, no?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
Heavily weighted by his run blocking. His other blocking catagories are in the green.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
he was the best OL on a horrible line
that isn’t a good argument. he was awful on the run. and on the pass, his rank is probably a bit inflated since he faced less pressure than other centers because our opponents put less focus on center and much more on our guards, who were so bad. i’m not saying he was bad…but he wasn’t all that good. and $6m is a lot of money. the absolute best centers in the league make that kind of money. olin’s not one of them.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, Matt Forte was the best of a horrible RB group.
See how silly that argument sounds?
And the guys around him sucked, so that made him better? That’s a bit of a stretch.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it just boils down to this
If $500,000 if the difference between having Kreutz keeping our line stable for 1 more year and going with a total unknown FA or Chris Williams? Roberto Garza? Edwin Williams as our starting center? This is a no brainer on so many levels, they can find 500k in the couch at Halas Hall, don’t let pride stand in the way of us going back to the playoffs.
Of course Olin could also be the bigger man so we’ll just have to see.
by Chitownproduct on Jul 31, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
And $4m a year
is probably much more than any other FA center will see.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Is any free agent center better than him?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No. IMO.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He should get the most money then, and I know someone will get 3 million or 4 million
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He will.
$4m. That was my point.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
seems about right
i am sure he is being asked time and time again about the Oline players not there and is getting tired of it
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Kreutz
If things were that bad, wouldn’t he have just accepted the 49er offer? I think he really want to stay with the Bears…
Posturing by his agent, he switched up tactics obviously
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Contract
From what I understand there was a contract proposal sent to Kreutz…
Yeah he'll be a Bear
He’s just trying to squeeze the turnip. He has nowhere to go. He’ll agree to terms soon.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Kreutz has already (in the past) signed for less to stay with the Bears.
Think about it.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
that's a fair point
but isn’t $4m already saying we’ll pay him more than he’s worth…by a bit?
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
to be fair...
if we’re grilling JA over 500k…couldn’t we do the same to olin? i mean, he can’t honestly believe he’s worth $4m, can he?
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you quibble over 500K
if it were Urlacher or Briggs? You wouldn’t bat an eye. Granted his performance has slipped but he’s the last leader on this team. He has the respect of every member of the team. That’s quite an intangible. And if they overpay? So what. The man fucking earned it.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Yeah, I remember the Briggs situation in 07
I doubt any of you were calling him selfish, nor were you saying that about Brian near the end of his contract in 09.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Uh. Yeah.
There were tons of that going on then.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's where I disagree.
I don’t think he earned it. $4m for his services, at this point in his career, is already over-paying him.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
But (and I know you'll never agree)
Who replaces him as a leader on this team? He makes all the calls on the line. He assigns the line their coverage. Who steps in with that kind of knowledge? Who has the respect of that locker room? What price tag to you put on that? He’s been a hell of a player for the Bears. One of the best at his position in Bears history. And 500k is all it would take to resolve this? I don’t care if “technically” his play is worth only 1.5 mil. Give his his “golden watch” and let him leave the game a Bear. At the very least he’ll be another “coach” in the locker room.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
he made $3m last year
so…he’s already old, and now a year older, and somehow a $1.5m raise seems okay? keep in mind $4.5 would be $500k under his own initial offer of $5m. that’s terrible negotiating on the part of his agent…and quite honestly, i think the agent is the one doing this here. because….this all sounds ridiculous.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He made 6 million last year, he is cutting his pay
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
according to the article...
he made $3m last year. he averaged $5.8/year over the contract, but that includes the up-front signing bonus…for an olin kreutz that was 4 years younger.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Because all of those calls have been super effective lately.
I’m okay with him coming back. I just don’t think he’s worth as much as he’s already been offered. And he wants more.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I just hope we don't lose him.
Could be a season breaker.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Me either.
But I don’t agree it’s a season breaker.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be.
Continuity (which we already have very little of) is important on the offensive line.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Agreed.
But I doubt we will see much continuity from our OL this year, whether we sign Olin or not. Hell, does anyone even know where Chris Williams is gonna play yet. I’ve heard 4 out of the five positions so far. The shuffling they do on the OL is ridiculous.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
He's 34 years old
If we don’t replace him this year, we’re gonna have to replace him next year. If we make the switch this year, then Edwin/Chris Williams will have an extra year of experience come next year.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough
although, if the team plans on more efficiently allocating the money they would overspend on olin elsewhere, i think they should let him walk. i thought $3m was what he was worth, so that extra $1.5m (if they were to offer him the extra $500k) might be better used to up an offer to get a starting guard.
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Or to waste on Braylon
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We're already overpaying (IMO) and it looks like we have the best offer out there anyways
There’s no need for the Bears to cave further. It sets a bad precedent.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The bad precedent that we go out of our way to reward loyalty.
Shame on us.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Rewarding loyalty
If Kreutz were loyal, he would take the $4 million deal, which again, is more than he’s worth. Do you really think Kreutz is worth more than that? If so, how come nobody else is lining up to give him that much?
The bad precedent I’m referring to is that if the Bears cave here after making a supposed “final offer,” we’re going to lose a lot of credibility with agents in future negotiations.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He's already taken less to stay with the Bears in the past.
How about we pony up this time around?
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Yeah but he's been "done"
for what would be 3 seasons now. He’s not guaranteed to be the best option
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
For the past three seasons he's been the #1 (in the league)
pass blocking center. Done?
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Maybe done as a run-blocker.
As a pass blocker? Still been one of the league’s best/better ones over the last three years.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
somewhere around #1
I think I’ve read that a few hundred times. And because of it, we should give into his every demand.
*insert “it’s only $500k here” since it hasn’t been said 500k times already.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry? Have I said such a thing?
Just stating it every time someone says he’s been done for three years. That doesn’t mean give into his demand.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No, not you.
I guess I’m, as are you it appears, are just tired of reading the same comment over and over.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Just different comments.
Also, did you know the Bears haven’t signed an offensive lineman yet?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh...
J.C. Brignone ©
Alex Linnenkohl ©
Ricky Henry Nebraska (OG)
Josh Davis (OT)
Super Bowl. Thank you very much.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
BUT WHADDABOUT ONE O DEM BIG AWESOME UFA GUYS
DAT MAKES ALL DA MONEY AND BLOCKS EVERYTHING
I WANT TWO O DEM GUYS
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you can copyright those guys.
I’m no lawyer, though.
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I blame rap music.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I blame it on Jay Cutler.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Well it's a shame we can't only use him on pass plays.
Kreutz is one of the reasons why we’ve been so shitty in short-yardage situations over the past 2 years.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Has he?
I think he’s always been pretty fairly compensated. But in any case, that has no bearing on the current situation.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem is that the Bears must spend this money, and Olin doesn't have to anything
JA is squeezing him when he doesn’t have to.
I also believe the agent is pulling the strings, not Olin
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He believes (I believe) that he's worth that
to the Bears based on what he’s done for this organization and for his leadership in the locker room. Shame on the Bears for disappointing him. But business is business. This is ugly IMO.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Everybody can calm down now...
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Trust me, the Bears are looking at OL to sign. They have to sign some knowing Kreutz is gone. They have to sign some
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Everyone should.
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So Kreutz is OFFICIALLY gone now!?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Several still think it’s bullshit posturing between both sides.
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I think Kreutz is the one who needs to take the deal.
Over the Bears giving up more cash. He isn’t worth more than 4 mil a season.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jul 30, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Be careful.
You’ll soon be labeled a trader!
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It's still bullshit posturing by both sides.
Kreutz knows he’s not worth that much.
The team knows they could really pay him the money no problem if they needed to.
Either they’ll both be stubborn, or they’ll find a meeting point.
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$4m is more than enough, and same time $4.5 is not that big of a difference
both sides are looking like ass hats if the $500k is truly a deal breaker for either of them
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$500K is a big difference to the Bears
since they already upped their offer by $1 million from an initial one of $3M.
I don't believe it's actually gonna come down to that $500K
For one thing, I don’t see any other team paying more than $4 mil for Kreutz.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How does this help
They have had to sign someone since FA started.
by thepreacher on Jul 30, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Strangely, it sounded more like he was trying to convince himself of that...
"The money don’t motivate me. The money don’t motivate me at all. But the thing is, maybe I do want to wake up one morning and say, ‘Baby, let’s go to the Bahamas. Today.’ That costs money."
- Mike James, Bi-Winning
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 30, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait a minute
With all this attention being paid to this situation, combined with the lack of movement with FA O-Lineman, could the entire market be depending on this deal?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
i believe so
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Yeah, they are waiting on bated breath to see who the Bears sign at guard. lol
I don’t think so, it is the Aug 4th date
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
HERE YOU GO MUTHERFUCKAS
Gary Myers of the New York Daily News reports 1 hour ago on twitter that we are in the bidding war for Braylon Edwards
THANK YOU DENVER!!!!!!!!!
With who?
Washington?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck no
Bidding war for him? WHY?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'm already concerned that we have entered a bidding war with the Skins
I just pray to the lord we don’t wind up looking like idiots and sell the barn to Edwards/
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Need a replacement for Rashied Davis's bad hands.
"The money don’t motivate me. The money don’t motivate me at all. But the thing is, maybe I do want to wake up one morning and say, ‘Baby, let’s go to the Bahamas. Today.’ That costs money."
- Mike James, Bi-Winning
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 30, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait so people are against bidding for player that other teams actually want
But they want us to bid against ourselves for a player that it looks like nobody else wants?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO
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Great another WR that can't catch the ball
you are a receiver, receive the ball.
by thepreacher on Jul 30, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually he was said to have had only 1 dropped pass last season
And that was with Mark Sanchez throwing passes.
Nontheless we can’t overpay this guy….
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
1 dropped pass with fucking Suchez
He will do well with Jay and might drop more passes because of Jay’s cannon, hopfully that year wasn’t a fluke
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
He didn't just have Sanchez, he's had such amazing QBs like:
Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, oldBrett Favre, not the miracleFavre.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
Edwards wasn't in New York when Favre was there
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh you are right, the quarterback I was missing was...
Charlie Frye! The Immortal Charlie Frye.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
He is better option than Sims Walker
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'll agree to disagree
David Garrard and Byron Leftwich and the other QB that comes in for them when they are injured aren’t the best either.
Nor do the Jaguars produce any studs on their teams (or have produced any) besides MJD and the rushing game.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
Leftwhich led the Jags to the playoffs with good records back before MJD
and a hurt Fred Taylor. He didn’t even have Keenan McCardell or Jimmy Smith during that time, both of whom were better than Sims Walker. Marcedes Lewis is better and he was a TE
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I hope it doesn't come down to $500k
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
god damn baby gurls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 30, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
@garymyersNYDN
Gary Myers Interest in Braylon Edwards from #Vikings, #Titans, #Bears and #Redskins.
THANK YOU DENVER!!!!!!!!!
I would enter the bid war just to raise the price on the Vikes.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
This is the truth
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I do,
Just ask Baltimore how smart the Bears are.
(Let’s be honest, do you really believe the Bears made a ‘mistake’)
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
With the open thread's general assessment of front office competence? Yes, I do believe it was a mistake.
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by badsamaritan on Jul 30, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew the Skins would go for him
And we already have Roy Williams for cheap. Why are we suddenly focused on WR when there are O-Lineman O’ Plenty we need to sign?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think someone from the Trio is being shopped?
Knox has the most value
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Definitely hope not!
Damn that would be an extremely poor idea to get rid of Jay’s top vertical threat from a year ago
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He would get the most for us and it might be a lineman. NOT
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Probably because there has been a run on wide receivers
While interior offensive lineman haven’t been raking in the deals.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
Agree
I believe we have taken care of all the stuff we needed to as far as WR is concerned, who goes if we get Edwards? I believe Bennett and Knox and Wiliams should all be on the field.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless Martz truly wants to go with a lot more 4 WR sets
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be I suppose
And i guess I’m letting personal feelings into it. I want to see Knox, Bennett and Hester all succeed but at the end of the day I suppose what it comes down to is Hester would end up back on ST full-time, except for an occasional situation, then Bennett would have to be like the no. 4, Edwards no. 1 Knox 2, and Williams 3.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I really hope Martz will also use more routes for Matt Forte
If he is so God-Damned obsessed with reviving his fabled Greatest Show on Turf in Chicago then surely he hasn’t forgotten the true reason why it was such a masterpiece in St. Louis
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah
But I was going through a 4 WR set, Forte would be in the backfield and could then run wheel routes, flat routes, etc.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is Martz has to involve Matt Forte more often this year
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF
Didn’t the Redskins already sign 3 WR this offseason?
I’d say Vikings and Titans have the best chance of landing him.
quantity > quality in his mind?
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
Floyd is overrated in my opinion
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Pulling out is the least effective method.
Just sayin.
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Actually
staying in is THE least effective method.
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I literally just lol'd
and Ashley just rolled here eyes.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Was that before or after
the “cereal party”?
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
After.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
So sorta the "cigarette" to the party?
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
I think that's hilarious
Cause a girl I went out with once asked why didn’t I have any kids at 34 years old.
And I replied “I guess I’m just really good at pulling out”
Random I know, even for me. Sorry.
by Chitownproduct on Jul 30, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That was a jets
fan guess that the vikes had pulled it out…..Sounds dirty teehee….
Always remember the first rule of power tactics; power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.....
- Lovie Smith
by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed but lets be real here. Braylon would still be an upgrade over Knox and Hester
THANK YOU DENVER!!!!!!!!!
Learn to use reply
Its sometimes hard to follow in a comment thread that moves as fast this one.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
are you and reply $5000k apart also?
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$500k***
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
yeah, but maybe I can convince reply that he is too old to be complaining about $
THANK YOU DENVER!!!!!!!!!
What the Hell is going on?
The Bears training camp is looking like a Rehab House for any and all players that had had a single good year in the past or maybe should have had a good year!
JA is throwing millions around to these bust out FA guys like he’s Daddy Warbucks but he needs to squeez a shitty 500K from the Heart and Soul of his Team?
OK, so he’s checked out to what the coaches and other teammates are saying about missing OLIN, … willing to shoot craps with the season and Horrible O-line we’ll have less OLIN, … thinking he has no other options.
A question here Jerry, … have you seriously considered your options?
pbanachi
One way of looking at this
is that JA is building an army of players with chips on their shoulder who will want to go out and prove the league wrong.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 10:47 PM CDT reply actions
What happens after that, when they bust or become uber expensive?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
well, i guess that is one way to look at it
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
One thing to notice about Gholston and Okoye
Is that they both have skill sets that fit better in a 4-3 defense, and they both have underachieved in a 3-4 defense. I think they could both turn out to be pretty decent in a defense that fits their skills much better.
I like the Gholston signing.
I love the Okoye signing.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It's worked so well in Cincy!
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
AIM FOR THE BUSHES!
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
What happened now?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
nothing just want to say it lol
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
False alarm then...
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
so we did actually get Edward Scissorhands
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q86Rn4jETVk
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Whats with the 1 year deals for Okoye and Gholston?
Shouldn’t there be a second year club option, at least? If they have good season, these guys are prolly gonna bail.
I don't get it either for guys of their age.
Get them in two-three year deals.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
There's a lot of one year deals...
Hypotheses include waiting until the first “normal” FA period to get a better deal and just ensuring employment now.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
NFLN were saying
that alot of FA want one year deals because if they do produce on new team they can hit market again and they can try to cash in then….
Always remember the first rule of power tactics; power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.....
- Lovie Smith
by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Agent driven
They’re not going to be making more money in a two year deal, so might as well roll the dice and hope they perform better than expectations.
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
Ya kinda wierd to me
why chance it IMO but players do think they are better than what they are sometimes…….So I guess eh….
Always remember the first rule of power tactics; power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.....
- Lovie Smith
by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
its rolling the dice that
1. they dont get injured
2. the market isnt over loaded to the point that they all get under bid
3. they dont play bad enough to actually cost themselves money
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slcathena is my wonder twin, and our battle cry is "Twinners rooting for the Winners (by which I mean Starwin and Darwin)"
Now this all makes Sense!
Jay knew that Angelo was not going to sign any O-Line FA’s …. and not even bring OLIN back.
And Jay didn’t have the heart to make a young widow of that sweet girl :(
pbanachi
by pbanachi on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Take it easy
I think $4 million for an aging center is a little too much, the fact that the Bears up their offer by $1 Million is pretty good already.
Personally
JA is no rush until the market is set. Why sign a linemen until they really have to? Not my style, especially with so much riding on this season, but hopefully at least Kreutz is signed.
Doesn’t look like anyone really wants or needs Olin.
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
He is not the only GM that
thinks that from what Wright said this morning….NFL GMs dont want to pay out to OG and centers so the movement on those positions are slowed because of this…..
Always remember the first rule of power tactics; power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.....
- Lovie Smith
by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Sayw hat you will but this team
Would have made the most interesting “Hard Knocks” season ever.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 30, 2011 11:03 PM CDT reply actions
I’d watch it. Lots of puzzled looks, nervous laughter, Jerry Angelo staring in confusion at the telephone receiver in his hand…
by arenbe on Jul 30, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And pay to see that
or one on the Cubs (especially with Cubs management saying they can compete next season)…..
Always remember the first rule of power tactics; power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.....
- Lovie Smith
by CloudyFuture on Jul 30, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see the tension btwn coaches and JA
I imagine a lot of late-night calls between JA and Lovie w/ JA saying “Well we gave Kreutz an ultimatum, he didn’t take it. We’re too far apart…” and Lovie just frustratingly sighing.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahahahahaha!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Soup rise Soup rise
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Awesome
The jerkstore called and they’re all out of Albert!
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
Okay for the 100th someodd time
Are the Bears still negotiating with Kreutz, have they bridged any gaps?
Are we there yet….?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 11:17 PM CDT reply actions
No, no and no.
Now don’t make me pull this blog over.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
...yessir
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it might not be completely over with Kreutz
Say what you want about Lovie Smith, he understands the importance of retaining Kreutz. He could be only person able to close the deal. JD
If head coach tells front office he absolutely must have a player, how can GM say no. Over what? A small amount of money by NFL standards?JD
Who knows?
Okay well at this moment since something big is happening at the moment I think it is best to retire for the night
Hopefully there will be good news coming in for the Bears tomorrow morning
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jul 30, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
As a side note:
The letter Z has now been used 164 times on this page. That has to be some sort of record.
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Psh
I’ve used it FAAAAR more than that.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome.
Did you honestly count that, or just make it up, my friend?
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
CTRL+F
then what you type in, and it shows the number of instances of that.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah.
Ctrl F (Find) typed letter z
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
got it.
You shoulda lied though. It would have been funnier.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 30, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
This thread is brought to you by the letter Z
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Actually, there have been posts including z after your post, including your post and this one
But 5 cases of double "z"s counted as only 1 “z”, such as in “fizzle” and “shizz”, so there are now
174. And counting.
nice.
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by David Taylor on Jul 30, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
David Haugh just tweeted that “there was no offer from the 49ers.” That might explain why the Bears feel safe about standing firm.
I’m guessing Olin feels safe about standing firm because he thinks a day or two of Garza at center will show them that value isn’t just about talent, but availability.
Here’s another z.
Get some Z's Kreutz, you needn't worry about Garza.
Four Z’s
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
There'z two Z'z in that pozt.
Here’z another five.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
For those that wanted him here
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Former Bucs LB Barrett Ruud agrees to terms with Titans
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
Damn - he would've looked good in navy and orangee
by NorthSideBearsFan on Jul 30, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like Detroit or Buffalo
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 30, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
oh shit my bad. this goes one comment down.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 30, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Nick Barnett around?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I think he flew into Detroit
and It’s unlikely that a free agent would fly in and not sign during this shortened off-season.
Especially to Detroit of all places.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 30, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
What is up with the Lions, when did they become New York or LA?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
they think they'll be "contenders"
but they’re sadly mistaken …
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 30, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
No running game and fragile QB
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
horrific secondary
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 30, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
They signed Eric Wright, who was good with the Browns until last year.
But yeah, weak Secondary.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Well, Andy Reid is quite portly...
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are also sticking their necks out, if Vick goes down and others disappoint, they are screwed
with bad deals for a LONG TIME
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You are not kidding
where on earth did they get all the money?
by no.fair.weather.fan.here on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
East coast bias
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Jensen (twitter)
More I think of it, the more I think #Bears higher ups don’t want Olin back and are ready for a new center…
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Bada bing, wada wing
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
"Next guy that says 'Bada boom bada bing'
is gettin’ kicked right in the fuckin’ nuts."
(/Carlin’d)
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 30, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Betty Boop?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
It makes sense. No way in hell at team wouldn't pay a player an extra half a mil ....
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Jul 30, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yes and no
if they go another 500k above that (which, again, isn’t really much), they give him what he asked for…so, hey, negotiation is pointless!
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, its not much- but if they cave in, other veterans (like Forte) will be smelling blood
and I think the fact that they upped their offer from $3M to $4m is a good offer, I wish Olin would just take it.
This makes me sick....
If this is true, I am ashamed of our front office.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It makes some sense
why keep an aging center for just a 1 year contract. Either bring in an FA or develop a young player.
This makes you ashamed of our front office? Really?
Kreutz has done a lot for the Bears and I appreciate that. I really do. But the bottom line is, it’s highly debatable whether or not he’s still a good player. At best, he’s got one or two average seasons left in the tank. At worst, he’ll completely tank next year. I’d rather see the Bears cut the string 1 year too early than 1 year too late. At least we’ll be able to get a jumpstart on evaluating what we have and trying to figure out a long-term solution.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, really.
Olin is almost universally considered among the best FA centers available. Considering his loyalty in previous signings and the one year offer, yes. I’d be ashamed.
There is something to be said for loyalty and respect. Olin showed his by taking the Bears 2002 contract offer instead of going to Miami, who offered him much, MUCH more.
With no better options, the supposed “Win now” philosophy and the fact that only one aspect of his game tanked last year (this is why looking at overall stats fails every time) not signing Kreutz is ridiculous as well as shameful.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
There is something to be said for loyalty
But I’d rather the Bears have a competent front office than a loyal one. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions. Jim Hendry has always been lauded for his loyalty and honesty and look where the Cubs have ended up. There’s a reason the phrase “loyal to a fault” exists.
You’re also pretty quick to make the judgment that there are no better options. Have you seen Edwin Williams, Chris Williams, and Garza play C? Perhaps one of them does have the capablity to be better than Kreutz.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, but then, I've...
Watched all three play guard and read the twitter feeds from those in attendance today. I’m not saying it can’t happen,.
But are you willing to gamble that they can, after watching how bad all three were in pass coverage and run-blocking last year?
Edwin Williams probably is the best option of the three.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
If we sign a proven guard and a proven tackle, I am comfortable gambling at C.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
That makes one of us.
The only guy on the field guaranteed to touch the ball every down is a bit important, if you ask me.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
just as a thought...
remember what happened when Mannelly went down? Imagine that kind of problem on regular downs.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Snapping the ball to a guy directly behind you isn't exactly the hardest thing to do
I would imagine that if Edwin or Chris Williams started taking all their reps at C in practice, they’ll be just fine at that. The hard part is what comes next: blocking.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Boys vs Hawks 06 Wildcard round
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
except when the guy your snapping to is Rex Grossman
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Or, by hwat was tweeted today....
Unless you’re Chris Williams.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
We shall see.
Didn’t urlacher take a botched snap to the house in practice today?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Could definitely be true
but if it is, they screwed this whole thing up badly.
If the point of negotiation was to convince the fans that Olin was asking too much, they shouldn’t have let it get to a situation where the sides are only 500k apart.
Talk about “negotiating in bad faith”
So just found this over ay ESPN , This stuff with Olin could be a big game of chicken by both parties........
………
Let’s make clear that stalled negotiations sometimes go public with claims more exaggerated than reality. And it’s only fair to note that Kreutz obviously hasn’t jumped to sign somewhere else yet. I am in no way ruling out the possibility of the Bears reaching a deal with Kreutz, especially if they have a few more practices marred by botched center-quarterback exchanges.And heres your LINK
The truth is the sides have a few more days to work this out. Kreutz wouldn’t be able to practice before Aug. 4 no matter where or when he signs. So there is nothing wrong with continuing this game of chicken, as long as the Bears are relatively sure they will eventually get their man. They know Kreutz better than anyone else. If they think he can still play, they will re-sign him. If they don’t, they’ll offer him a deal they don’t think he’ll accept. We’ll know soon enough.
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 AM CDT reply actions
There's no reason to play chicken with
your 13 year veteran, and one of the greatest players in franchise history, unless you want him gone. Hell, the Yankees were willing to pay Derek Jeter about $10 million more than what he was worth because he’s meant so much to the franchise. The Bears are holding firm over 500k.
It’s also interesting that Olin hasn’t been able to get offers from any other team. He didn’t grade out well last year, but he was still serviceable, and it’s usually a bad idea to count out aging, once elite superstars after one down year. Maybe there’s something else wrong we don’t know.
10 million is far more than half a million as well.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
By the way, since we're going with the Jeter analogy
Jeter supposedly started out by asking for $23 million a year over 4 years and did quite a bit of posturing as if he would sign somewhere else. The Yankees called his bluff and he caved. I have a feeling something similar will happen here.
Pat Riley is the devil.
They still paid him $17 mil per year
That’s insane money for a 36 year old shortstop who had just come off a .710 OPS season. I adjust my $10 million too much comment to $20 million too much. Jeter compromising down is a natural part of any negotiation.
Sure, but you'd think Kreutz would compromise down too
Anyways, Jeter means a lot more to the Yankees than Kreutz does to the Bears anyways. Jeter, despite his diminished performance, is still an insanely popular athlete who puts fans in the seats. Kreutz doesn’t quite have that effect.
Pat Riley is the devil.
We got Barber?
Would’ve rather had Michael Bush or Leron McLain… but still… much better talent level than Chester Taylor. Bye bye Taylor… you suck.
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top 10 center salaries in the nfl?
can’t find this anywhere…this would help put kreutz’s contract demands in context. we can debate how good he is, but is $4m a lot compared to better players at his position? i think it is…but i’m not sure. does anybody have any idea about this? if so, can you list the top 10 or so?
Nick Mangold and Jason Brown destroy that 4 mil mark
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
right
they’re also much better than olin.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
no clue on top 10 without researching it a lot, but here's top 3...
Nick Mangold in 2010: seven-year, $55 million deal that includes $22.5 million guaranteed against injury.
Jason Brown in 2009: five-year contract that’s worth $37.5 million, including $20 million guaranteed.
Jeff Faine in 2008: six years, $37.5-million, $15-million of it guaranteed.
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Andre Gurodae= six-year contract worth US$30 million
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
10 million guaranteed Gurode=$5.50 million in 2011.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Here's some perspective.
Matt Birk (age 35) is set to make $3 million next year and he graded out as the 2nd-best C in the league last year according to PFF.
Chris Myers (age 29), the 3rd-best C from PFF’s list is set to make $2.75 million.
Casey Wiegmann (age 38), the 4th C on that list signed a 1-year $2.5 million deal 2 days ago.
Jeff Saturday (age 36), the 6th C on that list, is set to make $2.4 million next year.
Here’s the list from PFF I’ve been referencing, and all salary info is from rotoworld.com.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
By the way, recently released Shaun O'Hara is 5th on that list
I didn’t realize he was so productive last year. I wonder what his asking price is.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
he'd be a good option
i mean, if o’hara would sign for $2m, i’d do that immediately. use the saved money to make sure we make the best offer to one of the best guards remaining, and see if we can grab hayden or samuels (if he’s released).
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Here is a list of Centers by salary this year: http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/center/
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Nice linkage.
So either way, he’ll be the 4th highest paid Center in 2011, if he signs with the Bears.
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
These salaries don't include Bonuses....
Which, let’s not kid here, are set up like salary to get under cap. For example, Mangold will actually receive over $12M this year. But the list has him at his base salary of $2.2M.
Just thought that should be noted, considering that any discussion of salary without including bonuses paid is a bit deceptive.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Peppers is only making 900,000 without bonuses this year
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
exactly....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure, so bump up those figures a little
By the way, Wiegmann’s contract was a 1-year deal, so that is it for him. That contract was only signed 2 days ago, so it should be fairly representative of what the market is for aging Cs, although he is 4 years older than Kreutz.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Weigman is a better run-blocker, but sucks pass-blocking.
I guess you could compare them, but I don’t think it’s an accurate reflection. If this were Turners offense, Weigman, at this point would be a better short term option. But in Martz’s offense? I don’t think it’s close.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Weig is also older. 38 is ancient
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Mangold will make more than $12M this year with salary and bonuses.
Might want to add that one.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't add that because others already posted his contract info
But anyways, he’s the best C in the league and he’s just entering his prime. The guys I listed are way more comparable to Kreutz.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I get that....
But he asked for the top 10 salaries. Mangold’s kinda qualifies :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
thanks
so…basically, guys comparable to kreutz (if not a little better) are, by and large, making well under what he/his agent want the bears to pay. that’s what i wanted to figure out…if they were being unreasonable compared to the market. seems like a definite yes on that front.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
BTW....
The list you posted was an opinion writers list. Their premium stats list has them ordered differently. Birk is #1 overall. Mangold is #2. Myers 3, Saturday 4, Weigmann is 15th.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd post a link, but unless you pay for their premium section, it's just a dead link.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I posted a OW list?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
no, poloplaya did.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The list I posted is based on overall ratings, which I assumed were objective
There’s a +107.9 next to Mangold’s entry, a +48.2 next to Birk, etc. Are those different than the premium stats list? The list is using 2008-2010, BTW. Are you maybe looking at just 2010?
Pat Riley is the devil.
I'm not sure where those numbers come from, but they aren't....
the statistics that PFF puts up on their site. I have wondered beforeabout the intelligence of these kinds of posts on a stat site that is selling you statistics their writers aren’t using to make their opinions, lol.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Mangold will make over $12M this year in salary and bonuses.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn.
reply fail….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
List of Bears contracts over the next few years. The next two are big.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I am trying to figure out why Logan mankins is included in the Bears updates section on that page
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Stop teasing.....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Trading Johnny Knox and some dude for Mankins... Wouldn't that be insane
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I wouldn't complain....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm hearing Bears cut Chester Taylor
But I don’t know if it’s truth or twittergarbahl.
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PFT confirmed this via John Mullin
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
nevermind.
it’s twittergarbahl!
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
It is real dude, John Mullin confirmed
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Source
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Did you read the date on that link?
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, my bad lol
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
An article from the past (for nostalgia's sake)
Kruetz signs contract extension with Bears
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I know it's old, but all this stuff seemed so fitting...
given the last few days discussions, and all.
“It means a lot,” said Kreutz, a graduate of Saint Louis School in Honolulu. "The Bears didn’t have to re-sign me right now and they did, and I’m thankful for that. “I can retire a Bear now.”
“He’s been very loyal to us,” Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said. “Not only has he been a good football player, he’s been a very loyal player and I also told Olin this: ‘loyalty is a two-way street.’ I wanted to make sure he saw that first hand from our perspective.”
“He’s the one guy that we can’t lose,” linebacker Brian Urlacher said. “And we’re not going to.”
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I now must follow you on twitter for 2 reasons
1. your dam good insight on the bears and 2. my nickname for my 6 month old daughter is cheeky monkey
Hmm.
Part 1 is a fallacy. FYI
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha. And agreed.
But I appreciate the comment anyhow. ;)
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know why I keep checking twitter
its not like there is a dam thing that’s going to break at 1:30 in the morning
You should follow Kev then!
This is usually about the time he starts posting his favorite hanson brothers songs.
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Julius Peppers was signed at midnight last year...so anything can happen
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
That was a very very very long night.
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
On another totally randum note
I really would like to see the bears pick up Braylon Edwards along with some dam o=line help
We don't need Oline help.
We have Frank Omiyale and Chris Williams. We’re golden.
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by David Taylor on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Williams was shipped out of town for Dan Klecko and some Clam Chowder
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I would say the same thing about Kreutz
but I’m scared he will somehow punch me in the face with a dumbbell threw my computer screen
In other news
I just turned 21 and spent the night on second streeet where many a Bear drank during training camp in Platteville….I might have gone into the bar where McMahon slid bare assed across a beer covered floor
So when I wake I expect Filtizgerlad to be a Bear…get on it Angeloie!!!
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Seeing from your spelling of Fitzgerald and Angelo
and how you want the Cardinals to trade him after getting Kolb, you must of had a great night.
Wow
3rd time I’ve forgotten to hit reply, at least all 3 times my post is right below where I wanted to respond
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 31, 2011 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet my old Chevy Citation
The next defensive player the Bears pick up will be Kelvin Hayden..and if they decide to try and get another WR it will be James Jones
WTF
Now I’m really confused, resign Khalil bell then sign Marion barber? WE NEEDED HELP WITH OL AND CB that was part of the reason that when we looked bad last year we looked bad. Why are we signing washed up wr’s and running backs?
I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Jul 31, 2011 5:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Still plenty of OL available
Teams are waiting to sign OL. Asking why the Bears signed 2 WR is a pretty dumb question.
by zoltarian1114 on Jul 31, 2011 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh oh guys, a guard was just snatched up by the Eagles
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/31/eagles-sign-guard-evan-mathis/
Now lets let the alarmists flip out before reading he has 22 starts in seven seasons.
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