Jerry Angelo Approval Rating: August 2011 Edition
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 1, 2011 3:00 PM CDT
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PrintJerry Angelo, Tim Ruskell, and the Bears scouts had a busy start to free agency. A bunch of undrafted free agents were signed, and a few NFL people heaped praise on the collection of college kids they stockpiled. Then after a slow start to free agency they signed a few well known players, many of which were former Cowboys. They signed 1 starting quality offensive lineman, and they cut a legendary player. But they did bring back a bunch of their own. How do you think JA's doing so far? Vote after the jump.
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Welcome to one of the most evenly split polls ever.
Probably.
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I bet I know where the dividing line is.
Right down the center.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
So far I like
I’d rather we picked at a guard, but other than that he hasn’t done bad, no outrageous overpaid contracts, no terrible pickups, just a lot of solid depth. Apart from the Kreutz thing he’s done solid, and we needed to move on from Olin eventually.
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Quality is such a relative term.
We got a veteran guard/center. Time will tell.
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he's a starter in the NFL
If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "Da Coach" 5 times while facing the mirror... Ditka will appear and slap the wussy right out of you.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 1, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why he was released?
He was a free agent in the NFL. Now he is a veteran on our team. Quality remains to be seen.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Chris Spencer wasn't released, he was a UFA.
by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2011 4:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Frog is correct and he HATES Spencer
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Fine. Excuse me.
That’s why he wasn’t tendered an offer?
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Because he sucks.
You’ll get no argument from me there, just wanted to clear up that misconception.
by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2011 5:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So is Chris Williams
So was Josh Beekman
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted yes
But it’s kinda weird that, despite adding all these new guys, I can’t name a starting position where I’m fully confident the Bears made an upgrade for this season. Is Carimi for sure better than Omiyale? Spencer for sure better than Kreutz? Spaeth over Olsen? Roach over Pisa? In most cases I’d say “I think so”, but with all that money to spend, it’s kinda weird there’s nothing firm.
I think Jerry made a mistake by not picking up at least one of the young impact players out there. Blalock would’ve been nice. Or Ray Edwards, or Michael Huff. Just somebody fans could point to as a core piece for awhile. Instead I see a lot of low risk high upside guys, or younger vets with some promise. It’s not bad, and I think a few of those signing (Gholston especially) were really smart. I just don’t like following up a NFC title game appearance with a dozen questionmarks.
I agree.
As petty as it sounds I wish we had gone out and signed “a name”. Especially on the offensive line. Just to show that we’re taking it seriously. Counting on a rookie with this shortened offseason is a bit risky.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Didn't even need a name
just a guy that has solid starting experience that can lock down a starting position. Spencer could be a starter, but not guaranteed. Could’ve learned from our Tait/Brown past history.
If its free, take two.
Tait was the consensus top tackle in that free agent class and Brown was a multi-Pro Bowl guard
in the prime of his career. Not really any guys like that in this class.. Waters is the closest but he is too old.
We had Fred Millers out there this year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
There was plenty to be had, though
We missed Colon, who was not the best out there – Ryan Harris is still out there if we want help at OT, Gallery, Blalock, Dahl, Gaither’s still available at OT, plenty of options from top tier to solid starter. Waters could come in and start immediately for us.
If its free, take two.
Riddle me this
If Tice did have any say in personell moves and if the guys available are not what he wants, do you think that could be why Jerry is holding back from signing O-Lineman?
It’s not like Jerry didnt even contact any O-Lineman, just think he may only have targeted guys Tice would want to coach.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 1, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
Its hard to argue hypotheticals – regardless of the reason, Angelo has final say on personnel decisions. If Tice has say, and he should, its because Angelo gave it to him. If Tice said, “here’s my list” and Angelo went after those guys, fine, but its still Angelo’s call to permit Tice to hold that much say. You want guys that fit the system and that the coaches want, but I can’t imagine Tice’s list went “Colon, Spencer, period.”
If its free, take two.
I doubt a guy like Tice would pass up a chance to improve his line regardless of his feelings about the FA talent
I don’t think he wants to make it harder on himself than he has to and that is why he was frustrated.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So as a coach would it be easier to coach 5 new starters to the O-Line
Knowing that there is 0 continuinity or for that matter any knowledge of the Offense?
I know Chris Williams, Roberto Garza, and J’Marcus Webb aren’t the best O-Lineman in the NFL (they even make some fans sick) but knowing that we have gotten younger and larger on the O-Line with Carimi and Spencer coming in there are improvements to go with some continuinity. This is what good coaching is all about, taking what you have in front of you and make it better.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 1, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Gallary is gone....
So are Dahl, Blalock and Gaither.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
coaching
i remember when tice said, coaching some veteran guys can be a nightmare.they do whats asked of them during practise then do whats comfortable for them during games. also you get them saying well i do this or that when you want them to do what you’ve asked them to do it, the way you want them to do something.in effect veteran guys do not want to respond
No comment
(but i did vote)
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And you did comment.
Ironical.
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by Just Dave on Aug 1, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
"'No comment' is a comment."
(/Carlin’d)
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Had to vote no, but
It is hard to judge without knowing who we took a run at and did not land, how hard we went after them, etc.
Still, not making a big splash into the offensive line market when the talent was available really upsets me and Jay Cutler’s health insurance underwriter.
I think a lot of people forgot exactly this..including me
It is hard to judge without knowing who we took a run at and did not land, how hard we went after them, etc.
I was dissapointed sure but after reading this the truth is we don’t know for sure how hard we went after guys, or if guys looked at us like, “No way I’m playing in that weather/stadium/city/team” etc. I’ve had a day to really calm down and think about it and I think just speaking for myself, I have been too hard on Angelo without knowing who he really did try and go after and how hard he tried. At this point I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I voted No but honestly now I wanna change it lol.
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by Chitownproduct on Aug 1, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Such a great comment
that many people will probably ignore. They expect a GM to be able to sign whoever they please. Look at Willie Colon. Bears offered him more, he didn’t take it. We have no idea who the Bears went after. We have no idea if the Bears offered a guy a contract and then another team offered him so much more, that the Bears felt they would be overpaying for a guy. I think fans think FA and being a GM is much easier than it actually is.
by zoltarian1114 on Aug 2, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I voted no,
But that is because I am assuming going into this year we will not be as competitive as last year. Basically, until JA’s team shows a consistency of winning and/or competing at a high level, I cannot give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a yes. If this team succeeds this year, that is consistency that I can (almost) believe in.
Hate to give a guy another make/or break year, but I think he has put it on himself.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
I voted no also
And I have to agree with you, with all of that money the Bears had and they went out and got Roy Williams? Vernon Ghoulston? I mean, I don’t see significant upgrades from those guys and the o-line is still a patchwork mystery.
Angelo has made a lot of good decisions, in the draft and getting Cutler and Julius Peppers, but this time the ball was in his court and he fumbled. He made no major signing for the offense line and got a bunch of retreads for depth. How will that improve your roster?
I just think with all of the big names out there and the money they had, they should’ve splurged and gotten a big money player. The Bears are still a good team until they prove me otherwise and have strong coaches behind them, but one would hope that there are no major injuries because the backups won’t improve this team from last year’s team.
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by DLions4Eva on Aug 2, 2011 12:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Williams... meh.
However, both Gholston and Okoye are good, low-risk / high-reward, signings. If they don’t work out, cut ’em and move on. If they do work out, they make themselves look like geniuses.
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I voted yes. He has done a suitable job strengthening the team in the positions that needed it and some that don't
Yes he took away a great man from our team, but the numbers don’t lie and the guy we got is categorically better at this point.
I would just like to see a new guard and it would be an adamant yes.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I give Jerry a low B for this offseason.
Pros
-Roy Williams, we got the best receiver on our team for 2 mil
-Gholston and Akoye, awesome pick-ups for D-line rotation players for real cheap, if only one works out its still a great move.
-Spaeth in, Manu and Olsen out. Paves the way for a genuine Martz offense and gets rid of the dead weight Olsen would be as a result of that shift. Got a third round pick too.
-Re-signing Roach, Corey Graham and AA, definitely the guys we needed back.
-Drafted Carimi and Paea.
-Marion Barber, great to see a legitimate power back brought in for a more dynamic one-two punch, versus the Forte/Taylor one-and-a-half punch.
Middle ground:
-Kreutz for Spencer, I don’t like Olin gone but the Bears gave him a perfectly fair offer and he chose not to take it. We then picked up a center with comparable ability for cheaper.
Cons:
-No big FA left guard. I’m not sold on CWill but this will be his first time to play a full season as guard, maybe it’ll work out but I don’t like guessing game.
-Danieal Manning gone: This leaves our safety position in doubt. Wright has yet to show he’ll be a good starting FS and Conte is a rookie, little too much uncertainty for me but at least there’s Chris Harris.
So overall he made a lot of smart moves when he could, and didn’t make the one move I really wanted. I’m positive we have a better team than last year, though.
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I rate them at a B
I don’t think Roy is our best receiver yet. However he was a bargain for what he could produce
Gholston and Akoye I applaud since we have the best D Line coach in the biz and they are young and talented
Not thrilled about Spaeth for two reasons, he is a carbon copy of Manu, only younger and he has no prior experience in the offense to grade his ability in it
Agreed, needed those guys back, mission accomplished
Eh, not the highest on them, but they look solid.
Not at all high on Barber, especially with this line, but he is a change of pace so it may work and he is not a copy of Forte like I thought Taylor was when he signed
Agreed to an extent
Definitely agree, needed that big guard to mash, especially since we like to pull guards and still run the Power O as a serious run play.
Manning, to me had value as a return man, not so much as a safety. I believe he was better at the Nickle Position and that is filled, so he was expendable. I am more favorable to moving Chris to his natural position and moving Major to his natural position where I think he has more potential than Manning ever had. I do agree we need another safety for depth.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
the best D Line coach in the biz
Is he? Is Tice the best O Line coach in the biz? Because I keep reading about how awesome sauce they are, but to what result? 56 sacks last year? Tommie Harris? Hell, we didn’t start to get consistent pressure until we went out and signed one of the best DEs in the league. I like both of the guys, but I’m starting to doubt “the best” jibe.
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Oh that it right, he DIDN'T get 8 sacks out of Idonije, he DIDN'T help Toeina or Adams
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yep
Clearly this makes him the best line coach in the entire NFL. The other 31 pale in comparison.
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Idonije was known as marginal before this year, no?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
And Tommie Harris was once a stud, no?
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He never performed well after the 06 campaign because the darn Vikings killed his explosion
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Your blaming Marinelli for Harris?
Wha? I can’t believe I just read that.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not. I am saying Harris got screwed when the Vikes killed his thigh in 06 and he wasn't the same.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Dude....you gotta learn to follow the thread....
My comment is posted in line under Just Dave’s because……it’s in response to Dave. I was supporting your argument.
Are you on some weird browser that isn’t lining up the thread right, or something? Cause you’re doing that a lot, and i gotta believe that it has something to do with what you are seeing. maybe a mobile? IDK…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, it is posted under my comment, so I have no idea if you meant him or me.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I just refreshed the page and it is lined up right.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
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Just win dammit!
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Aug 1, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If it is directly in line with your comment, it is in response...
to the same comment you responded to. If it margins over to the right one space, it iis in response to you.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
When Marinelli came it it was widely speculated that
he would be the man to rejuvinate Harris’ career.
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Did people think he was a knee surgeon?
Tommie Harris’s problem was never technique. I’d expect a great coach to help younger and marginal guys, not ones who were formerly great and lost a step.
I answered the question.
People thought if anyone could turn Harris around it’d be hot rod.
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Yep, so you are judging a guy for not being able to help a guy who's career
ended before he came around and not for the numerous other players he helped that actually had a chance.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Tommie Harris retired?
He’s not currently trying out with the Pats. The argument was (originally) the Rod Marinelli is the best d line coach in the NFL. I’m not saying he’s not very good but THE BEST?
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His career can be revived by the Pats, but he is pretty much done
That is what I was saying. His career was ruined
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I kind of hope he does well. I got a picture and signed autograph of him and Lovie when he visitied my High school in Fall of 06
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You were in HS in '06?
I feel old.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This just in, Tim...
YOU ARE OLD.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh, yeah. That time was particularly fun
I met Azumah a month before he was forced to retire and met a few 85 Bears.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'd be surprised if the Pats have him on the roster come Week1....
But I hope he does well.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he has a leg up on Haynesworth, so anything is possible. Hope so too.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
IDK.
Haynesworth still has the potential to be the best in the game. He just doesn’t have the discipline. If the Pats get work their famous magic on him like they did with Moss, he will be someone to be feared again.
But there is no guarantee of that, either
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh
And no one EVER questioned Tommie’s work ethic?
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questioning is one thing....
But then, did you see the way he came into camp last year? Did it look like he spent the offseason slacking?
Come on. I don’t care how good a coach you are, you cannot make everyone great. And you cannot repair a ruined knee.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
And all I'm saying is it might be a bit of a stretch to call him
the best D line coach in the NFL. I could list the many other high level draft picks that didn’t pan out under Rod. He’s a good coach. But THE BEST IN THE NFL? Really?
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List the ones that are better....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have names
But the NYG consistently have good defensive lines. The (god forgive me) Vikings seem to have good defensive line play. Pittsburgh seems to be able to plug guys in year in and out. Baltimore does a good job developing talent on defense. But no. Please continue to make statements telling me how ignorant and ridiculous I am without considering the original argument. And then please kindly back off a tad.
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And Indy. They get great D line play.
Probably a handful of others could come into the argument. But, ya know, what evs.
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Vikings have Jared Allen and the two cheats at Tackle, nothing special
Pittsburgh blitzes with their LBs, hence the sack total. Same with Balt 3-4 D.
Giants are the one rival with a true D-line
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I didn't...
call you ignorant.. I asked you to explain your point.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This got way out of hand.
I simply agreed with David that THE BEST is getting a little old when referring to Rod and that maybe he isn’t the best. I’ve attempted to make my point. I shouldn’t have brought up Harris but Shuggs (I think) listed a few players Marinelli helped (and that is his job as a coach) and those were his reasons Marinelli is the best. Marinelli is good (I think I’ve said that 4 times in these threads) I’m just not sure he’s the best. I’m done arguing it. And you’ve implied I don’t have any idea what I’m talking about many times hence the “ignorant”.
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I didn't imply anything.
We disagreed. So when you were disagreeing with me, you were implying that I was ignorant? Or does that just go one way?
Come on, Dave. Quit being so sensitive. I still love you, buddy…..in that platonic, no fornicating involved sorta way ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
In fact.....
All of the coaches you didn’t name could have the argument made for them too. But I don’t see any there that are definitely better.
And moreso, you knocked Rod, effectively, for having Rice and Sapp, then proceed to name some of the most talent-laden DLs in the league. Mathis and Freeney. The entire NYG line. Ngata, Gregg and Redding, Hood Hampton and Keisel. The Wiiliams wall Edwards and Allen.
How can you discount one coach for having talented players and then list the coaches with the most talented players?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa, the Williams wall are cheats and, as much as it pains me to say, are not in the same league as Allen.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
They are part of the same line....
And anyone who doesn’t recognize that (regardless of cheat, which i agree with) Williams Wall, Allen and Edwards were dominant is ignoring reality. That line is loaded with talent. Star Caps or not.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I listed teams that have consistently good defensive line play.
My opinion anyway. Probably could throw in the Pack while I’m at it.
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I would agree with that, too.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like the only place you have read that possibility is on this board.
He was a good enough line coach that it got him a head coaching job, skipping the coordinator move. That’s not unheard of, but it’s not common, either.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
The Giants have always had a good line, so I guess their d line coach could rival Rod, but I don't know who he is.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So, then, yes....
you are blaming Marinelli for not being a better knee surgeon.
Just because he can’t work miracles doesn’t mean he’s not good.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If the injury was soooo devastating to Tommie
why is he still in the NFL? Tommie Harris was/is a punk who got lazy in his rehab and on the field and Lovie coddled him waaaay too long. My point is that if Marinelli is such a miracle (Best coach in the NFL) why could he revive Harris career and all you guys counter with is his bad knee like that is the only thing wrong with Tommie. If the knee were that bad Harris would’ve retired after 2007.
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That is ridiculous...
There are no good coaches in the NFL, period. Accord to Just Dave.
And how many players played WELL past their ability to do so after injury? He’s still a serviceable backup, but never regained the physical burst that would allow him to be the monster he once was.
It stuns me when people pretend they know the motives behind why a player doesn’t return to form after injury.
Cite the credible sources that blame Tommie’s work ethic and not his knee injuries for the loss of the burst that made him a beast before injury.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, because I said this.
There are no good coaches in the NFL, period. Accord to Just Dave.
I even said Marinelli is a good coach. Savor the irony. And then keep attacking my posts.
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Ok, I should have said nobody is the best?
Because every coach in the league has dealt with players that for some reason didn’t reach or regain their potential. If your going to knock Rod for a guy he could revive after serious injury, and then make accusation about the same player that aren’t even cited, but expect so backlash.
Sorry if you’re sensitive about it, bro. But I’ve seen you call people on similar situations before.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
This is just for fun. Not to scratch open a scab.
“I believe in Tommie Harris. There’s no doubt about that. All of you have witnessed how hard he has worked in the offseason. He hasn’t missed a practice. I believe he’s going to be an impact player. He had a good, solid start. We all understand the impact of that position. He and I and not him alone. Me and him are accountable together to get this to the highest level we can do. He’s going to be a dominant player this year.”
-Rod Marinelli Sept 2010.
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What was he supposed to say?
And it also is a nice quite to place up against the “lazy Tommie” thoughts.
As far as I’m concerned, you would expect a good couch to encourage his player, and in public if it is asked.
And it’s a coaches job to take the pressure off of his players. Ask Ditka :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And you would expect a good coach to encourage his players as well.....
Maybe while their on the couch. Jeesh…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I found quite a few "lazy Tommie" quotes but they were mostly bloggers.
And I found lots of coaches quotes defending his work ethic. I could split hairs with you and say “Why would a coach defend a players work ethic if it wasn’t being questioned by credible sources?” but I’m tired of defending myself. I just remember speculation about his work ethic and the guy was told he’d sit out games. I just thought the last two lines of this quote were ironic.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
On the why would they answer the question front?
For the same reason tehy answered the questions about Jay’s toughness and injury?
Tommie isn’t important to the discussion anyways, and you have nothing to defend yourself from. Not attacking you. Just disagree with you.
I remember speculation, as well. And I also remember the coaches shooting it down, and I remember Tommie coming in looking like a million bucks last offseason because he was determined to come back. And still fell short.
But in the end, I don’t believe that a great, good or any other type coach can make something out of nothing. Sometimes players are going to fall, regardless of coaching.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I just get tired of the “Best” label being thrown around so casually. That was my original stance. Then I spent 1/2 a day defending it. I think Sayers was the best running back ever. I can make the argument but many can refute it. Bottom line is when you say best, you can never prove it.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Agreed....
On proof, not Sayers (one of, though, IMO).
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I just get tired of the "Best" label being thrown around so casually.
2009 Stats without Tice (ranked):
35 sacks (19th)
79 QB hits (18th)
2010 Stats with Tice (ranked):
56 sacks (32nd)
92 QB hits (25th)
I’m not saying this is/was entirely on Tice. But surely one should expect more out of “the best in the biz”.
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by David Taylor on Aug 2, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Izzy wasn’t even an actual starting DE prior to this year. Nor was he lined up opposite the previously mentioned “best DEs in the game”. And as a situational DT, Izzy was still pretty d*mn beast!
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Why is no one fighting with you?
You are making the same argument as me yet I get 47 responses. You? Zero.
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We like him better
;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He is sort of making a case that Marinelli was the best. He took a fring DT and made him a respectable DE
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Or, I was confused by his monkey....
And the fact that his point is generally unattributable to a side based of the argument….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm...Perhaps, but I like my way.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Oh and David was the first poster to mention Harris
Yet no one took exception to that. Hmmmmm…..
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
He's saying (without taking anything away from Izzy (fear of Da Hamsta))
that this year Izzy was paired with Pep and to use the argument that somehow that was Marinelli in action is like saying teams with talented players must not have talented coaches. (In a parallel universe)
Ignore my rhetoric. I believe he’s suggesting that Izzy improved his numbers because of Pep not Hot Rod. Just my take considering HIS original comment to you started this entire mess.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
not only that.
Izzy also improved his numbers, because they moved him to a full-time starter at DE, instead of just a rotational guy at DT/DE.
Mark Anderson, Tommie Harris, Alex Brown, Adawale Ogunleye, Marcus Harrison, Jarron Gilbert… all guys that were on the roster when Rod Marinelli was brought on. And at the time, everyone was clamoring the same thing they are now, he’s the best in the biz and (insert name here) will be a pro bowler under his tutelage. How’s that worked out?
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by David Taylor on Aug 1, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
KaPOW!
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by David Taylor on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a day late and a dollar short.
But man, I appreciate the effort. Thank you, Dark Knight.
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Uh. No I'm not.
What part of “beast” did I leave out?
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by David Taylor on Aug 1, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Robin
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Blam!
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by David Taylor on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You sincerely crack me up.
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Back at you, Boy Wonder.
Zgrupp!
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by David Taylor on Aug 1, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If you think this is bad, wait until the first time you say Cutler made a bad decision or a bad play...
because, as we all know, that means you hate Cutler, the Bears, America, apple pie, Kate Smith, puppies, Santa Claus (not just Indiana), etc., etc.
And I don’t want to hear anything about Lovie’s lack of personality or inability to call timeouts correctly because that’s pretty much a sign that you are a probably a Communist who’s sole purpose is to chip away at the core values of democracy.
Worst of all, though, NEVER criticize the “Pick ’em” games….those consequences are just too terrible to consider.
Other than that, voice your opinion openly, it’s a free country…..unless you agree with Gale Sayers about Urlacher getting older, then shut the **** up!!!!
He's such an awesome coach, that we HAD to go out and break the bank
And sign one of the best pass rushers in the game, in order to get any sack production.
It’s easy to look like a genius when you have Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp on the same line.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Not his fault the Bucs were smart.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You tell 'em.....
dawg.
" i'm sure you've been right on something at some point."
-by Larry on May 28, 2009 4:55 PM PST
I like to think Tice was the only guy who could hold that mess together.
As for Marinelli, he did know exactly what to do with Peppers to make our D-line vicious last year. The Eagles game in particular comes to mind.
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And I like to think
that happieness is magic rays of sunshine that come down when youre feeling blue!
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Again, you zero.
No one messes with the monkey man.
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You ever seen his ninja monkeys?
(shudders)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
My cat's breathe smells like......
the half eaten rabbit he brought to my wife as a present……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You had me at zero!
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by David Taylor on Aug 1, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, Hello?
For Tom Cruises sake….
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Dave... You have no Hype Man that's the deal.
David has a following you just have to accept it. If it makes you feel any better I still think you’re great, not David Taylor great but more Special Olympics great.
My team is on the floor. -Coach Norman Dale
Ouch!
Words hurt, DVW.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 2, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice.
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by David Taylor on Aug 2, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Just doing my job boss. :)
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by Ditkavsworld on Aug 2, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and I thought those rays shot out my.....
bellybutton.
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I voted no.
I realize the question asked about this year. We are in the position we are in this year because he has consistently found a away to tank the draft. We have to take a chance on all these young guys that flamed out on the teams because all of our young guys flamed out of the league.
I also had to say no because the area where we were weakest, the O-Line got no help. I think Spencer was a lateral move and that he will not get any better, perhaps worse since the inside help he had in SEA was better and he faced inferior Ds in the NFC west.
Voted yes but have buyers remorse over it lol
I don’t like JA one bit, never have prolly never will, and I’m not happy with Olsen/kruetz.. However the guy is doing his job an I do think in the long run he did the right things. Will these choices hurt the 2011 team? Ya prolly, but i also feel that future teams will benefit because of it.. Don’t like it but yes really is the only choice
by edenburnz on Aug 1, 2011 3:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
No
Our biggest weakness was offensive line. He dumped the best player on it and brought in a replacement who is rated a few spots better. A few spots better than bad is still bad.
Unless Carimi is an All Pro his first season, the line has only gotten worse.
I like most of the other moves he made, but without an offensive line it doesn’t matter. Unless Mike Martz has created a one-step drop for Cutler, we stand no chance against teams with elite defenses and good offenses, which is what we’ll see should we make it to the playoffs again.
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
if he is a few spots better...
and we added Carimi….
And the only guy we lost was the guy we replaced with someone a few spots better, wouldn’t that point at marginal improvement rather than
the line has only gotten worse.?
Just thought it might be a fair question. We certainly didn’t improve it the way this offseason could have allowed us to…yet
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
I am thinking it has to do with continuity and prior knowledge of the calls and playbook
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I guess...
but we will have continuity with all but 1-2 players right? and we had so much musical chair last year, loss of continuity can’t make them worse than last year, right? just thinking out loud here.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
True in theory
But if one of them gets injured or is horrible, which is likely, then it’ll be musical chairs time again. This time without a guy like Kreutz and his leadership and knowledge to help out.
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
by LRT on Aug 1, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine in theory, but what if Kreutz is the one to get hurt? More and more likely with age.
Then we are ESPECIALLY screwed since we didn’t prepare them for this.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We're prepared for it now?
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
by LRT on Aug 2, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok ..
We have filled a big need at Wr, C, P, Dline.
We retained players like AA, Graham, and Roach;
We’ve upgraded majorly
R.Williams > Knox, Bennet, Hester
Hurd > Droppopotamus
Podlesh may or may not be better than Maynard (he’s a punter?)
Gholston is a low risk/high reward guy
Barber > Chester
Spencer is younger and a better run blocker than Kruetz, pass blocking is all about technique, and Tice is the best in the business. Spencer will be fine
everyone just take a deep breath. We’re gonna be fine.
#Duhh You already know
Also.
We signed Carimi who miraculously fell to the Bears in the draft as well as Paea who also fell for some odd reason
Bears have young players such as Wootton, Melton, Webb, M.Wright, DJ Moore, and the likes.
this team is riddled with young talent and Veteran leadership. They’ll be fine
#Duhh You already know
by suckmyditka on Aug 1, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do not think Roy is better than Knox let alone Bennett or Hester RIGHT NOW
He could become better, but there is no reasonable reason to suggest he is at this point.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
How many years ago did Roy get that?
Oh and Knox had 960 someodd yards last year
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
that's still not 1k.
And last year Williams still had 7 td receptions. and 500yds.
7tds is more than any bear WR had.
#Duhh You already know
That is called splitting hairs when they ignored Knox on the last week
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No. it's called
Knox cannot beat the press, doesn’t run correct routes, and disappears often.
#Duhh You already know
Yet he still almost attained the mystical thousand yard season on a running team
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
how are the Bears a running team???
When your QB gets sacked 56 times, you are not a running team.
It’s Knox’s fault for 3 out of the 4 picks that DeAngelo Hall got last year.
JS
#Duhh You already know
Actually, we were on pace for 70 or 80, the running saved them
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Knox...
was targeted, I think 10 times in that game. All he had to do was make a play and he’d be a 1000 yard receiver too.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
I don't think....
from a previous performance perspective, you can argue Bennett or Knox over Williams. From a physically gifted perspective, you couldn’t either. Knox is faster but smaller, and far weaker. Bennett is closer but shorter and slightly less fast. From a route running perspective, Roy has Knox and Hester beat, and Bennett may be a toss up.
The only area where we can say a Bears receiver is “better” than Roy is in the Hands department…and that is Bennett.
Knox is faster, and that is it. He does not catch better, block better, run cleaner routes, or secure the football better…He doesn’t shed tackles better or create space better…He isn’t better polished, doesn’t get off the jam better and certainly doesn’t win a jump ball better.
Roy may be the best receiver on the team right now…that doesn’t mean he has the highest ceiling, but don’t kid yourself into thinking Knox plays the position better.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Williams is also known around the league as a great run blocker
#Duhh You already know
by suckmyditka on Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roy didn't perform for the duration of his 'Boys career and there is no indication of him comimg out of the slide other than that one year
While Knox and Bennett continue to make strides and Hester has game changing ability unlike Roy
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
DUDE
in 09 and 10 Williams had better stats than both Hester and Bennet.
and in 09 he had better stats than Knox.
Quit drinking the Koolaid Meatball.
Williams is the best WR on the team. Period.
#Duhh You already know
Not really. He is a slouch that had a pass offense.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ha, we had success with the run.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
That doesn't change the fact that we are a pass first offense and have been for the past 2 years
by DieHardBearsCubs on Aug 1, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
And we won with the run....so that would mean we would need.........run to win
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Pretty good considering we started to run after week 6.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
We get off the bus bitching.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
by Pete Dixon on Aug 1, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
so your saying we have a "Bitchin'" offense!
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
How can you say he's the best receiver on the team
when you haven’t seen him play for this team? Speculating he’ll be good is one thing but declaring him the best on a team he hasn’t played a snap for might be premature.
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He most certainly does, especially compared to a guy that was a first rounder and got pwned by undrafted Miles Austin
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No you just blindly hate Knox and have an unproven liking for Roy
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
lmao no...
i do not hate knox, it’s just once he shows me he can run a slant route without getting blown up and causing an INT. He’s not good.
#Duhh You already know
I'd rather have a guy that can run semi-decent routes and can catch than a guy that takes forever to get through his route and drops it anyway.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
takes forever to get thru his routes?
Williams is a great route runner. And knox drops passes bro.
#Duhh You already know
He is slow so that is going to kill Cutler more since it depends on timing and Roy has more drops than Knox.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Lol. He's just as fast as
Brandon Marshal, or Vincent Jackson
how is he slow?
#Duhh You already know
HAHAHA You make me laugh. Marshall is much faster
And Cutler didn’t use Martz timing O in Denver
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yeah Updawg, whatever YOU say too.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Brandon Marshall ran a 4.55 at the combine
Williams ran a 4.48. Even if Williams lost a step, he’d be equal with Marshall.
Bam!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 1, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't mean jack
Football speed and combine speed are two different animals.
Usain Bolt wouldn’t be football fast.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Because Willie Gault certainly wasn't.....
whoops, there go those damned assumptions again!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
What is the biggest complaint of the Combine?
The speed test.
Why doesn’t the NFL sign track stars?
Because they are as fast.
Why wasn’t Justin Gatlin signed by the Titans? Because he wasn’t any good and wasn’t fast enough
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Gatlin ran 4.4's without pads....
he lost a step. In other words, his track sped was down.
And you might do a bit of homework. There are plenty of track stars in the NFL.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean guys that did that first and then moved on to football after college.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He's slow off the LOS
He’s not fast till he gets a full head of steam going. And when you;re trying to run timing routes, or beat the DB to a spot on a slant… you need to get off the LOS fast.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Yeah, he's so slow...
he’s been to a pro bowl and been sought after for four picks by the Cowboys.
Not one WR on our team would be traded for that many picks — strictly as a WR. Hester does not count.
Slow=/= suck. Anquan Boldin is evidence of that
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Reading comprehension is vital on the internet.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Dude... he IS SLOW
Go watch film of the 2010 Cowboys. Cowboys fans #1 gripe about Williams was the drops. Their #2 gripe about Williams was how slow he was to get off the LOS and into his routes.
Look… I want the guy to succeed just as much as anyone else here… but seriously…. the majority of Bears fans need to take a reality pill.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Problem is, that everyone wants to believe extremes....
You included. They are on one end of the spectrum, you are on the other one. The reality pill probably takes everyone towards the middle.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
BAM, exactly what I meant
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He has a greater degree of familiarity with Martz system then every other receiver.
He also went to the Pro Bowl, as a receiver, in that system. He also put up pretty solid numbers as a #3 or #4 option last year so I’m gonna go ahead and call him the best at the start. I’d be more than happy to see Bennett or Knox step up and prove me wrong, but he currently has the most substantial body of work and natural ability.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Salvor Hardin
He was in that system for exactly a year, no more experience than anyone
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Martz was the HC in Detroit for 2006 and 2007
So Roy had him for 2 versus everyone else’s one.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Salvor Hardin
Roy was traded in 07 because he didn't want to be in Det
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
My bad on the HC/OC mix-up
But Roy was traded on October 14, 2008 to the Cowboys per Wiki.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Salvor Hardin
The 2011 Chicago Bears
The Wash-Ups Strike Back
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Salvor Hardin
Hester's game changing ability....
Is in the return game, not the receiving game. He has some nice play at receiver at times, but he is no game breaker at WR.
Knox improved last season, sure thing…and he still had some of the NFL’s worst “interception while targeted” and “reception percentages” ratios…If you didn’t yell at Knox for quitting on slant routes or at the jam on the line last year, you didn’t watch Bears games. Knox is improving, but to say he is straight up better than Roy Williams right now is a bit….heart rather than head based, in my opinion. Is Knox more likable? Sure thing. A better blocker/route runner/jump ball getter/tackle breaker?
Bennett…Now I’d love to see what Bennett could do with the 100+ targets Knox got last year. I would seriously love to see it. But until we do, I can’t say he is better than Roy.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Spencer isn't better at run blocking than anybody.
Take it from someone who’s been cursing at his poor run blocking for years.
by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2011 4:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes
There should’ve been more options like “meh,” but all in all he’s improved the team at several positions. Roy Williams will be a pickup that pays off. Love Gholsten and Omobi pickups – can never have enough pass rushers, especially ones who fit our system. Hurd is an upgrade over Sheed. Roach and Adams were huge re-signings that will keep the defense in the top 5-7 in the league.
Why Barber? Not much sense here, and I think it was reactionary to Taylor’s awful campaign. Unga and Bell seem big enough and capable enough to handle backup duties if Taylor failed again.
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
I like some of the moves he's made.
But overall, he has been tip-toeing around our biggest concern going into the last three off-seasons. A rookie blind side tackle and Chris Spencer aren’t enough to make me feel comfortable about an o-line that gave up 56 sacks.
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the on cowboy i wouldnt mind signing is the one we didnt sign
leonard davis
Guns dont kill people. Brian Urlacher kills people.
Voted yes, but so many factors to consider.
We are an key injury away from being plunged into chaos, but get a few of the right guys to develop and the season will be fine (I’m looking at you Carimi/Williams/Williams/Astia). If we can get some real production out of Roy Williams, and resurrect the career of either Okoye or Gholston, we made some real progress in FA.
Another key factor to consider is how long is Mike Martz going to stay with this offense? If he leaves after this season due to poor performance or being hired away, we have really hurt ourselves tailoring our personnel to his wishes.
by RexysMidnightRider on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
Voted yes, but reserve the right to change my vote....
Like the Okoye, Gholston, Barber and Williams picks. And I like re-signing Roach, Hanie, Adams, Bell and Graham.
Indifferent on the Hurd signing and on most of the UDFAa, though I do like a few, especially the center.
Hate the Spencer signing, the Olsen trade.
Haven’t made up my mind on Spaeth.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions
A vote for yes
Last year we got to the NFC championship game. It’s not a team to blow up. With the exception of another quality offensive lineman, we’re in good shape.
I'm going to refrain from voting
But I do have high hopes for our team this year
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 1, 2011 3:51 PM CDT reply actions
I vote yes because I don't want to say no until I have a chance to see
what this team is going to be on gameday.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Tice is the man..
50 plus sacks is terrible, but after the Giants game they were on pace for about 80. He coached’em up real time. That’s a Coach.
angelo
Definite no on this one!!! Didn’t fix the biggest need on the team, didn’t help the franchise QB by getting an impact WR, it’s a definite no right now. Nothing in this guy’s track record suggests he’ll do what he has to to plug the holes we have.
Spaghetti head
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Why?
Because he disagrees with you?
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doesn’t matter who Angelo brings in. People like that will never be happy unless they sign a Julius Peppers every year.
#Duhh You already know
Agree with Ditka I do, choice of words I don't.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I wanna know why we CAN'T sign a new Peppers every year!!
Just win dammit!
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Aug 1, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Just restructure his contract every year and...
viola!
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
I voted yes
But I don’t know why. No just seemed like the wrong answer.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
I voted no
After giving up 50+ sacks last year, I would have liked to have seen the offensive line be a priority. It seems all the good momentum from drafting Carimini 1st was wasted by not grabbing at least one of the more respectable FA linemen.
Tim Ruskell hates offensive lineman.
by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2011 4:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Aaaah
I love it when a thread explodes.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Where is this huge explosion.. lol
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
In general...
I have disapproved of the way JA has failed to draft successfully overall. His best acquisitions have come at a huge cost (Peppers, Cutler) and his first round selections have yet to be more than questionable starters or outright busts (CW, Olsen, Haynes). Ha has found some good role players (Izzy, A Adams) in FA. But for every Izzy there is an archuletta or Darwin Walker. In all, he’s somewhere just shy of 50% overall, but what tips the scales negative this season (IMO) is the utter lack of interior o-linemen acquired at the positions of the most glaring need. Unless CW suddenly stops sucking ass or Garza gets 5 years younger, it’s a net negative to me.
by LostInSTL on Aug 1, 2011 4:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
He was supposed to be a Kellen Winslow, Antonio Gates guy. The focal point of the Passing game
About 60 800 and 10 at least. Never ever came close. He was worth a mid-low 2nd round, not first round pick nor 1st round cash
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Working for Ron Turner and then Mike Martz will do that to any TE.
I don’t care who it is.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
An excuse. 1st rounders overcome that.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
BS.
I the ball isn’t thrown your way, you cannot overcome that.
So you absolutely hate the Gholston and Okoye pickups then, right? And the Williams pick?
Even under Turner and Martz, Olsen was our top receiver in his time here in receptions and TDs and second only Hester in yards.
There is a difference betweeen a reason and an excuse. And having one of the most inept OCs of all time, followed by an OC that doesn’t use TEs is a reason, not an excuse.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Strike that...
[If] the ball isn’t thrown
your wayin any sort of position where you can catch the damn thing, you cannot overcome that.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
that too.
That pretty much spells out his first two years.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant Roy williams pick (up)....
lol. Everyone hates the Williams pick :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I didnt hate it
I really dislike it until i actually see him do something good…rather have Braylon than him honestly
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Williams pick
would be Chris Williams. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t hate that pick.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't it was the best Angelo pick of all time.
Now let me spend the next 3 hours defending this statement. Naaah. I really don’t like the pick but if he can become a decent guard, I won’t hate it.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Agreed
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I was hoping for Mendenhall or Ben Grubbs, so I was disappointed, but Forte made up for it, kind of.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I wanted the same two players.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, cool. I am not sure at this time if Mendenhall is any better than Forte, but Grubbs is much better than Williams for sure.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
no doubt....
Though i’d definitely take Forte over Mendenhall now. but both are good players.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He was the #1 target ever since Muhammad and Berrian left.
We spoon fed him the top spot when Dez Clark was still viable and he dropped balls.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
What?
Olsen was among the best in the league at drops over his career. What are you talking about?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
When he fumbled it he killed us and when he didn't catch he killed us
He had more game killing plays than anyone else on the offense other than quarterback.
For a first round pick, he didn’t do much better than old man Clark and Clark wasn’t the #1 receiver
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Ummm....
He beat Clark in every aspect of the passing game, caught more TDs than any Bears in the last decade, and had four fumbles over his entire career.
Now your just making stuff up.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He was the #1 receiver and he didn't deliver upon his potential was not much better than
40 500 and 7 is not 1st round material at all. Marty Booker matched that in his 1st stint
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He was not first round material at all*
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He was the #1 TE.
Not the number one receiver.
Booker was a receiver.
Position and utilization actually matters.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that is an excuse and you know it. He was most definitely
Cutler’s favorite and the team’s #1 receiving option.
Plus he was a receiving TE so the “He was the #1 TE” is illegimate excuse when he specializes in catching
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Correction.
He was Cutler’s favorite target if you count the fifteen feet to either side and the twenty feet above. And top receiving TEs generally get maybe third or fourth best receiving numbers, with some exceptions (Gates).
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He was drafted to be a Gates, Gonzalez or Winslow Sr,
was he not? That was the hype I was hearing.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He was drafted to be a receiving tight end, not as a Gates & Co.
Expecting Gates numbers as the norm is just not right.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
As a first rounder? They expected him to be more than
an Alge Crumpler or Shockey
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Yes, that would have sufficed.
Most people dont’ expect Walter Payton out of their first round RB, or Joe Montana out of their first round QB. They hope for it, but only an idiot thinks every first rounder is supposed to be the best ever, or even among them.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The hype coming out was that he would become the next
in a long line of great U TEs. He hasn’t matched their numbers ever.
People expect their #1 overall QB to become all-pro. And there are several running backs that are expected to become HOF players (Adrian Peterson, Tomlinson, Darren McFadden)
It is called hype. Other first rounders aren’t expected to amount to as much because the hype doesn’t follow them. Olson had that hype coming out.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You DON'T expect those players to do it all by themselves.
You seem to think each position plays in a vacuum. That is the only logical conclusion your comments have left. And if that’s the case, then there is no point arguing with you because you do not understand how the positions interlock and the scheme governs them all.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Into a system that didn't allow it.
Players aren’t on the field by themselves. They three players you mentioned (and Gonzales is a different breed, a legend all to himself and the best TE to ever play, IMO) all played on better offenses that had receivers who could take the attention away from them.
When has Olsen had that?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
What receivers did Gates have at the start or Gonzalez?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Hmmm......
Roddy White, Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Eddie Kennison, Derrick Alexander, David Boston, Keenan McCardell. All better than anything Olsen played with.
By the way, Gates wasn’t even drafted. He was a UDFA. So pretty much every other TE in the league ever has sucked because none are better than a UDFA as a receiver. Or, some players transend draft status, regardless of where they are taken. They are called special.
Do you think there have been 320 special players drafted int he last 10 years? Or even 100? 50?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm
Roddy White….Roddy White really helped Tony for a large portion of his career, sure. Boston was around for Gates mediocre rookie year, no more
Floyd overrated, he was helped by V Jack and Gates. Jury out on V Jack since he rose during Gate’s peak.
McCardell end of his career had one good year in SD and didn’t help Gates more than the other way around.
All the receivers you listed, aside from Alexander, benefited from the TE or preceded the TE, not the other way.
I guess they are really better than Muhsin Muhammad and Bernard Berrian.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Dude...
All three played in better offenses with better receivers and better quarterbacks and much better coordinators.
You can refuse to see that all you like. But fact is that it is still true.
you want to discredit Boston because he played in Gates rookie year, then list the only two receivers you think might have been good, both of whom left after Olsen’s rookie year.
You’re trying to make the facts fit your opinion instead of allowing the facts to mold your opinion. And in doing so, you are contradicting yourself constantly.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Muhammad fine, but Berrian was around after Greg's rookie year.
Were they in better offenses or did they make their offenses better? (Tony and Gates had good Rbs, but Olson did too)
They were their teams first passing option and did their task. Tony did not have strong quarterback play, but still owned.
I will stop since this is going nowhere slowly.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No, Berrian left after '07. He was NOT around after Olsen's rookie year.
You are wrong. Berrian has played in Minnesota for three years.
And Olsen has never played with a 1000 yard receiver. He would be the only one we’ve talked about who can say that.
And Trent Green had the Chiefs Offense in the top 10 for five straight years of Gonzalez’s career with Grbek placing them in the upper half of the league for the two seasons before and Damon Huard doing the same for two years after. nine years of better quarterback play than Olsen was dealing with in a scheme that was designed around him.
Did the Bears redesign their scheme around Olsen? Or where they too busy trying to make Devin Hester a receiver?
Green Bay redesigned their whoole scheme to make better use of Jermichael Finley last year. Did you ever hear about the Bears redesigning the scheme for Olsen?
Are you really arguing that the Chargers, either in the Winslow or Gates era wouldn’t have been a better offense than what has been run here without Gates or Winslow?
Gonzalez is a one of a kind, and though the Chiefs were a run first offense, he was still the most pivitol piece of his teams passing game, but then, he had more help than Olsen either way. Better scheme built to use his talents, better offensive coordinator Priest Holmes and Larry johnson at their best and a stream of good recievers to force DCs to focus on more than one player.
Expecting anyone to come out an be Gonzales is like being disappointed that Forte isn’t Walter Payton or Jim Brown. It’s unfair. Gonzalez is, for my money (sorry Ditka) the best TE to ever play the game.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is Grbek? You mean
Elvis Grbac?
Are you like Greg Olsen’s Kim Kardashian. Please, just make a video tape with him and finish off your love of him.
Nice...
you can’t argue the point so you attack the messenger. Always a losing argument.
Don’t be a hater, man. I’m starting to think you are Shuggs Kardashian.
Hear that, Shuggs? You made the big time, buddy!
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That didn't attack anyone....
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Uh, yes, yes it was.
Are you like Greg Olsen’s Kim Kardashian. Please, just make a video tape with him and finish off your love of him.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
.....That wasn't me.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
No it wasn't, but the post you talked about as not attacking anyone
clearly did.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I was referring to my last post, since I thought he was talking about my last post.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Nope, he was referring to ethan's.
Remember, responses are nudged over to the right below the post responded to.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
But I still got blamed for something even though it was clearly posted by someone else...
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Nope. No blame.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope, wasn't blaming you...
there’s a difference between you and ethan.
You argue your points. We disagree, but you at least try to explain yourself. He’s just taking pot shots.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't attacking, you, lol....
I was using you as a prop and thought you might find it funny, too.
Oh well…….comedian I ain’t…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
It would have been funny if I had known it wasn't serious.
Miscommunication
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Like I said....
Comedian I ain’t……
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Tim's only serious unless he's not.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Think about this....
Olsen’s starting WRs in each year of his career.
‘07 Noose and Berrian ( not bad, but he wasn’t starting in his rookie year, Des Clark was)
’08 Rashied Davis and Devin hester
’09 Devin hester and Earl Bennett
’10 Johnny Knox and Devin Hester
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Noose?
Well, he did come here to die…
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well jeez, you keep setting them on a tee.
I’d almost swear that was intentional.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And he was Martz's least favorite.
Or do you not get that. That is why Olsen wanted out and what so many of us complained about all year in Martz not utilizing his best weapons (Fortes rushing and Olsen’s receiving).
Stats don’t happen in a vacuum.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Martz offense has been around for a year. He was below
standard every year bar the rookie year which is an acclamation year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You really want to defend Ron Turner's offense?
Are you honestly saying that Turner gave him the opportunity to thrive? Wow…just wow.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but players over come that. The good ones at least.
Thomas jones, Walter Payton, Bobby Engram, etc all produced with bad offenses
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Bullpucky....
Was Steve Young great in Tampa? How was Kurt Warner in NY?
We talk all the time about players moving and it being better for them. I asked you before and you ignored it (because it hurt the very same point) do you hate the Gholston, Williams and Okoye signings?
You’re basically saying they don’t have a chance, right?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't say objectively that they do have a chance
nor can I say they were great singings.
They should have produced given their position and the talent they had.
There is no excuse for Gholston, Roy, or Amobi’s lack of production considering they were starters and had opportunities, just like there was no excuse for Olson to not perform like a #1 when he was a #1
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You have just proven...
that you have no idea what scheme does in terms of player production. Gholston has yet to start at his position. He is a 4-3 DE. That is not the same positon as a 3-4 OLB.
Okoye produced better numbers than any of our DTs did last year, and we had a great defense.
Williams was good in Martz’s system and stunk in Dallas under a different system.
Doesn’t that make you wonder whether system might have something to do with it?
And you ignored my first two questions (Because they hurt your point)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He was an outside linebacker in the t3-4
One of the outside linebackers always blitzes in the 3-4 defense. The mistake for that is they had him play in coverage.
The linebackers get sacks in the 3-4 and to do that you have to blitz, unless I am missing something. Elvis Dumervil thrived as an OLB in the 3-4 after he started as a DE. I also cite Willie McGinest’s move to 3-4 LB after being an end
Williams produced well before the Martz year, so I think it has something to do with effort and attitude when he was in Dallas.
Steve Young’s time in Tampa is irrelevant because he started a grand total of 19 games, that is not a good enough sample for the hardest position in the NFL let alone any other. That amounts to a season and three games.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So waitaminute
Gholston played LB in a 3-4. LBs in a 3-4 get sacks. Therefore Gholston should have gotten sacks.
Failure in logic. Watch this. I can play LB in a 3-4. LBs in a 3-4 get sacks. Therefore I should be a sackmonster.
He doesn’t have a 3-4 LB skillset in coverage or rushing. He does have a 4-3 DE skillset in pass-rushing. Consider starting from further back, meeting a player, then beating that blocker. As the 4-3 DE, Gholston just has to beat his man out of the box, something a rushing LB doesn’t do.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
No I am saying that the OLB is the equivilent of the DE in the 3-4
That is why so many converted DE have success in the 3-4
Rosie colvin, McGinest, Clay Matthews, Elvis Dumervil, Jason Taylor, etc.
You cannot tell me McGinest has coverage skills.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Sigh.
Enjoy being hardheaded about it, then.
Just like those players are better fits in a 3-4 LB, Gholston just may be a better fit in a 4-3 End. It’s not a direct conversion like you claim it to be.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You enjoy being hardheaded about it. See? I can also sling accusations like this when i don't feel like debating
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I'm asking you to consider another option.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not purely interchangeable is the point.
Not all 4-3 DEs convert to and have greater success as a 3-4 LB, and vice versa. You seem to think failure as a 3-4 LB means he’ll fail as a 4-3 End, which is not automatically the case.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No I did not say that at all.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
...
The linebackers get sacks in the 3-4 and to do that you have to blitz, unless I am missing something. Elvis Dumervil thrived as an OLB in the 3-4 after he started as a DE. I also cite Willie McGinest’s move to 3-4 LB after being an end
There is no excuse for Gholston, Roy, or Amobi’s lack of production considering they were starters and had opportunities,
My response is “Square peg, round hole.” You haven’t responded to that. Just like the ones you brought up moved one way, I’m saying he could move the other way and benefit like that.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He thrived at OSU as a 4-3 end.
The Jets asked him to play 3-4 end and 3-4 LB. What’s wrong with actually seeing a player play at his true position?
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I did not say that 3-4 linebackers will fail as 4-3 ends.
Objectively speaking it looks as if he will fail. There is very little to any evidence to suggest a bust like that will suddenly become any good.
Subjectively I think he can make it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
But again you assume ability is all.
Scheme is about utilizing ability. Perhaps the 3-4 doesn’t utilize his 4-3 end abilities as well as can be used. He was a first round pick; he was drafted for a reason, right? I’m sure it wasn’t because he fills an excellent water bottle.
It’s worth seeing if he can operate at his original position. That’s why it’s called “low-risk/high-reward.”
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't believe scheme has anything to do with production....
I’m not being snarky. It’s his posted opinion.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, you sure are right. ;)
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
And that is the fail in your argument...
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really, that is called sarcasm
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You haven't heard of the word objectivity have you?
If you had you’d have to agree there is a low chance of him succeeding
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Right, because stats are everything in a vacuum.
We’re discussing the context of those stats, my friend.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Objectivity?
You mean like taking all things into account instead of just blind statistics?
hmmm….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
... /facepalm...
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And you would be very wrong...
The OLB is not the equivilent of the 4-3 DE.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
So a player who was projected as either played well in both....
And that means that a player who was projected as a 4-3 end and was noted as likely having problems in the 3-4 defense, which is vastly different, should perform the same?
I don’t get the association.
Some punter can transition to kickers and vise vera. Does that mean we should draft a punter that every believes cannot transition to kicker and make him our kicker?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Look, subjectively I am saying he will probably do better
But objectively (without bias or emotional) there is little evidence to suggest that he will be great.
College is not a legit comparison since 1% of all college players make it.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
You guys are arguing about a pass rusher
Who hasn’t gotten a single sack in the NFL in 3 years.
Unreal. Facepalm.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
lol, actually...
we are arguing about scheme’s role in production. Shuggs doesn’t believe scheme matters at all. That a 4-3 DE should be able to play just as well in a 3-4 defense or that a receiver in a west coast offense should have equal success in a Coryell offense.
The rest is just argument over example.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I believe in scheme Lance Briggs was made by the Cover-2.
However, he should be able to produce SOMETHING on talent alone. Scheme does not make the elite receiver (Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Brian Urlacher)
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Elite player* Got Receiver on the brain
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I don't bump people on stupid errors, lol....
make enough of them myself :)
but lets be fair. there are not 32 Elite players drafted every year, and nobody expects there to be.
Nobody is claiming Olsen is elite.
Nobody was expecting the 31st pick in the draft to be an elite pick, either. Have you ever seen the dtraft trade scoring chart? Have you seen the difference between the score of the 15th pick and the 31st?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You should throw the scheme argument out the window on this one
The guy was drafted #6 overall to be a pass rusher… on a team the sends everything but the kitchen sink every Sunday to get to the QB. And yet, he hasn’t even “lucked” into a single sack in 3 years.
I mean… even Tommie Harris, with 100 year old knees, got to the QB last year.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Why, because he's in a scheme that isn't at all conducive to his trench-end ability set?
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You're missing the point.
You know how many blitzes they run there? They’ve blitzed more than almost everyone the last two years. Guys are getting shots at the QB all the time, just based on matchups. Yet, this dude hasn’t even lucked into a sack! Every member of their starting front 7 recorded sacks last year, except for Mike DeVito (because he was a replacement player who sucked… yet he still beat out Gholston).
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
And he was still blitzing from a....
position that wasn’t ideal to him and was known not to be ideal to him when he was drafted.
I said it was stupid of the Jets when they took him and I still blame them for being stupid now.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand that, but with their blitzing defense, the sheer averages and numbrs should get him something.
Even if it was a dumb move, the fact that they blitz like the 46 D should get him something.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Cept....
Gholston spent his 252 snaps last year as a 3-4 DE. Not even an OLB, but a DE. Talk about mis-cast…….
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, there I have to agree. 3-4 end are not DE or rushers. They are more like DT
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Exactly!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
You realize that 3-4 ends aren't generally pass rushers, right?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No... he was barely blitzing at all...
Because he was barely on the field at all… because he sucked.
And… when you send the house all day on Sunday, guys sometimes have WIDE OPEN shots at the QB.
At some point… you should end up in the backfield at least and luck into a QB running into you! This argument is comedic.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
You do realize that he was on the field for 252 snaps?
As a 3-4 DE…..not an OLB.
Stupid moves…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
As a Jets reporter put it on the radio today.
The Bears would’ve been better off lighting a pile of money on fire.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
guess we'll see.....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Blitz =/= 4-3 End Pass Rush.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
(shakes head)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
And Clark had more drops with less targets in both 2009 and 2008
Olsen has 2 drop per year over the past three years. Clark had 4 drops in 2008 and three in 2009.
Olsen wasn’t spoon fed, he was better. Caught a higher percentage of his targets, got open more often, got more yards after the catch and dropped fewer balls.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
So the ball isn't thrown to Olsen, but...
he’s the leading receiver on the team. Wow, and you keep arguing with this other guy about being right as you make an obvious contradiction on Olsen.
I was a fan of Olsen and he had a pretty good year last year but he is nowhere near the talent of Antonio Gates. Great TEs make themselves — like Gates and Gonzo. Or Sharpe.
Gates was PF for Kent State — no coaching or scheme made him as good as he has become. A lot of his numbers are on the pure fact that he is talented. Olsen’s always been a TE and he’s never come close to Gates talent-wise. Again, I say this as an GO fan.
This is actually a good point that I agree with. And he is right, there was some sort of contradiction in your argument Timothy
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Whoops was a reply fail...
What was the contradiction?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
if you cannot see the contradiction than you are not someone
I would argue with for long periods of time, like many on here do.
Let me make it clear: one cannot make the most catches on a team unless they are thrown to.
How else does one make the most receptions unless the ball is thrown to them.
I’ve read your replies to a lot of people on here, so I’m calling you a lost cause, obstinate fan. Good luck, and Go Bears.
um.....
you might try actually reading. Olsen has never once led the team in targets. Recepetions, yes. Targets, no.
That isnt a contradiction.
Look at the targets sent the way of Olsen and Gonzales.
three year targets:
Gonzalez, 380 targets
Olsen, 244 targets
So Olsen gets 64% of the targets in an offensive scheme that generally uses him a a relief valve in his first two year and a blocker in his third.
Where was the contradiction again?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
So Brees and Rivers had nothing to do with gates?
scheme and surrounding talent don’t matter to a players production?
Another one. Wow.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
What was the contradiction?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And what is the contradiction I made about Olsen again?
You mentioned it, as did Shuggs under you, but neither actually named it.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Olson wasn't thrown the ball to, yet he was the leading receiver.
How can one become the leading receiver if they don’t get the ball?
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
When the play isn't originally set to go to said player,
and said player happens to be the QB’s favorite bailout target.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
What? That is getting him the ball... I am asking how that is possible if DOESN'T get the ball like you adamantly argue.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Wrong target, buddy. Adjust your aim.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
And with Turner's inability to actually design an offense
and Martz’s refusal to use the TE, if the offense actually worked, he wouldn’t see the ball.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Attacking a guy that had the ability to make it into the NFL as a coach and produced one of the most potent offenses in 06? 06
He isn’t a complete dunce
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Not a complete dunce, but an outlier.
Rex having a lights-out set of games contributed greatly.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
But he can scheme good games? Because the above comment basically said he inept at scheming passing attacks.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He's generally inept at scheming.
Rex’s biggest asset to the 2006 offense was the threat of a deep ball. Occasionally he connected.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
He COULD have been inept, but it probably was the performance of the quarterback
Not his fault if the quarterback can’t complete what he asks.
Two way street.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Not saying that.
Offensive ranks of his Bears teams:
1993: 24th Points, 28th yards.
1994: 24th points, 23rd yards.
1995: 8th, 9th
1996: 26th, 21st.
2005: 26th, 29th
2006: 2nd, 15th
2007: 18th, 27th
2008: 14th, 26th
2009: 19th, 23rd
He hasn’t gotten it done as an offensive coordinator, period, with an exception or two.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
64% of the targets Gonzalez gets isn't a pretty big difference?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonzales 380 targets over three years....
Olsen 244 targets, or 64% or Gonzalez’s number in the same time frame.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
because I'm too busy
with life, Mr. Obsessive. Take a breath, go play some Madden. Or, have a conversation with yourself. You’re doing a good job of that.
Tough to succeed
When you’re playing in what amounted to one of the worst offenses in the NFL for almost his entire career. Kid has a lot of talent, I think that was pretty apparent his entire time here. People say that quaterback’s make receivers (and in this case receiving Tight Ends), well, our quaterback play has been largely horrid since he got here. That, of course, is due to several factors, not the least of which is that our quaterbacks often find it tough to throw when on their back.
Not a bust...
In fact, a definite starter. However, there are still questions about the difference between his potential and his real production. Thus, the questionable starter line.
by LostInSTL on Aug 1, 2011 4:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He drafted Briggs I believe.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He drafted Haynes...
That’s a wash. In general, there are many more failures than successes in drafting. I am not trying to say JA is an utter catastrophe, but he’s generally bad at drafting and slightly more successful in the FA market. It is a close call in my mind, but the fail rests mostly on the quality of this O-line over the last 4 years.
by LostInSTL on Aug 1, 2011 4:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Truth here.
Very few GMs can claim even a 50% draft success ratio. My only real problem with JA is his first round. Not been good, though he cannot be blamed for Colombos injury, Harris’s injury or Ron Turner. Being Fair, Greg olsen was a good grab, Benson was universally considered a good pick at the time, and so was Haynes. Grossman was a mid first round grade and it’s not like he reached for him. Had there not been injuries and Ron Turner, who knows with Rex.
Ron Turner would be my single biggest beef with Angelo.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you have 5 good first rounds or 12 good middle rounders
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I don't care where they come from, honestly.
So I’d take the 12 good middle rounders.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait though...
Shuggs, is that good for a first rounder/good for a mid-rounder, or just universal “good”?
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Universally good. Angelo is better at middle round picking and has found gems there
Tillman, Briggs, Vasher up to a point. Hester, Manning, etc
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I took it as he meant good universally...
good question.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Now let's have some fun. And I mean fun, not trying to catch you on anything.
Spin that question to my first interpretation. Now what’s your answer?
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Closer, but probably still the same.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The same....
for salary cap reasons. 1st round busts are a real drain on your team’s cap. Plus you feel obligated to give them a chance even when you could find a better player somewhere else.
But who hired Ron Turner?
Not been good, though he cannot be blamed for Colombos injury, Harris’s injury or Ron Turner
Just sayin’, while Angelo may not be to blame for what Turner did or didn’t do on the field, twice, how’d Turner get there?
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I noted that in my final sentence....
now you’ve got me block quoting myself, dang it.
Ron Turner would be my single biggest beef with Angelo.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Just pointing out you can't not blame Angelo for Turner, then say that's your biggest beef.
So, helping you clarify. :)
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Not what I did....
I pointed out that it’s not necesasarily Angelo’s drafting that’s screwed up, but his personnel decisions.
The comment was about drafting. Can’t blame Angelo’s drafting for Turner’s inability to use the pieces. But you can Blame angelo for hiring Turner.
Get it now?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Then I'm helping you clarify still. :)
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I got few problems with Norv as an OC.
As a HC, lots, but I have respect for him as an OC. But Ron hit too many branches when he fell off the family tree.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
he made aikman and irvin but
he still sucks imo. at least HC wise
Look at SD they have so much talent.. i mean Rivers is the best QB in the league IMO. Better than Brady or manning.
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
Well he is doing good with Rivers, he was smoking the league last year.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
LOL, I think we're all saying the same thing.
Norv is awesome with offense and mediocre, at best, as a HC.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what he said, wasn't it?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
To me it sounded like he was saying that Rivers was good
but that Norv was holding him back. I reread it though.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
lol, I was actually pointing my comment at him.
Not you. I thought he thought that you thought the……third base.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I said that.
Ans SD consistently has one of the best offenses in the league. Norv should go back to being one of the best OCs in the game, instead of a mediocre HC.
Maybe to Chicago after Martz leaves?
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Does he have the chops to do it? Great players are not always the best coaches.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I want a proven OC next go around.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope....
He’s not. He once was. But when he came in here, nobody was saying that he was proven. In fact, if you go back and look at the threads right after he was hired, there was more anger about bringing in a guy who many thought the game had left behind than there was pleasure in bringing in an established OC.
Martz had tons of questions when he got here, and created tons more after his first season.
Established? Yes. Proven, not with that many questions.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Martz is a bad OC. I probably have more faith in him than most. What I am saying is that it would be nice to see the next OC brought in being a guy that doesn’t bring more questions than answers.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 2, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We coulda gotten one, y'know...
Chan Gailey was available…
He is proven since he did prove himself before the hiring
Out of date is different from proven. Saying he is unproven is categorically incorrect.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I was talking to Ditka who framed his answer like Rivers was stinking up the joint
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So was I.
Look up the thread :)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I was talking to Ditka who framed his answer like Rivers was stinking up the joint
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
So was I
Look up the thread ;)
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No Turner will ever coach the Bears again. I don't think Norv wants to be like his bro in chicago
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
He would be.
Norv is the good Turner, as least as far as OC goes.
But I understand you sentiment. I think I might hate Ron enough to ban his brother, too.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant....
he would not be. lol.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think he doesn't want to have a potential mess when he could go somewhere
that isn’t his home state and he has no history in.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
His family has no history*
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I agree...
Not an ideal place for him, especially with all the hate for his bro. But I still wouldn’t mind his quality as our OC.
Just dreaming. Bears hired the wrong turner…..twice.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure that Olsen qualifies as a bust, honestly
I think he was a pretty damn good TE who was a victim of huge expectations, a really bad offense, and the wrong system at different parts of his career. If Carolina were any good, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him put up huge numbers there, but they aren’t. However, I do not intend to defend Jerry Angelo’s early round drafting on a whole. While he’s hit a couple times, one needs to look no further than the fact that there is one single Angelo first rounder still on the roster, and his name happens to be Chris Williams.
Can't look at him....
haven’t seen him play.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Technical point.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And like I said, technical point.
Doesn’t take away from the overall point made, however.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Splitting hairs.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted no
Angelo picked up a ton of band aids, and the bears will essentially be in the same place next season, none of these pick ups answer any of there long term problems, and if Angelo is banking on next seasons draft, I want him fired, because he is a horrible drafter.
The Kruetz and Olsen situations are tough calls, and they are really more 50/50 decisions than bears fans would think. Olsen wants a contract, the bears weren’t going to give it to him, so they cashed in on him. The Kreutz situation was also tough, and I would have been fine with it except that they replaced him with a stopgap/depth guy in Spencer. If there was a young promising but unproven prospect on the roster already, then its a gutsy but good move, but they don’t have one and Edwin Williams isn’t a very good prospect.
The D-line looks decent, and the secondary is average, and the receiving core is finally average, I think Roy Williams is an ok addition, I wasn’t really excited about anything out there anyway and I’d really like to see how Fantuz and Sanzenbacher pan out. Knox/Hester/Bennett should see an uptick in production with another year under Martz.
Overall, Angelo has made a bunch of small-market type moves, when he has big time pieces (Cutler/Peppers) and should have acquired impact players to take advantage of his those guys prime years. That is why I voted no.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
but you really didn't read it
DID YOU!
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
Voted no, but rather have voted meh or undecided.
I think I like the moves on secondary needs. I don’t like only one o-line acquisition was made. Here’s hoping there’s another part coming post-rush.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:41 PM CDT reply actions
*in FA.
Again, technical point/splitting hairs.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Ten minutes till my 5 o'clock.
Today, I think I need it, haha.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't say that at all, my friend.
Dunno what I’ll put on the musics when I get out of here.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 1, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
work sucks.
i work thursdays – sundays. 3rds. really puts a damper on my party life
#Duhh You already know
I voted no
had he added another quality lineman like D. Joseph, Dahl, Blaylock etc. I would have voted yes
Voted No myself but wanted to vote eh
The whole kruetz and olsen thing Im meh on……While I liked olsen he just never became that all pro I thought he could be…Every year in my mind I was thinking olsen is going to explode with 80 catches for 1000+ and 10 TDs and it never came….He is a weapon but if martz was not going to utilize him properly anyway it was a waste….Angelo did get a 3rd round pick for him thats pretty good…..
Like the Akoye pick up but I just dont think Gholston will do much and would not be at all stunned if he is cut but thats just me….
Like the RWilliams signing and think it give the offense a little bit of swagger it does not have (even if I found RWilliams annoying the past)…….
The only thing I was not found of was not really upgrading the O line…..While Spencer might not have kruetz leadership I do think he can perform better play wise…while they did throw money at colon I was surprised they didnt try for anyone else…..Not confident in Louis, CWilliams or EWilliams but thats just me…..Guess we will see…..I mean I thought the Bears would go 6 – 10 last season (mainly due to my distrust in martz) and look what happened…..
Always remember the first rule of power tactics; power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.....
- Lovie Smith
I think Ghloston will have his best year as a pro
(not sayin much but come on)
He’s a prototypical tampa2 DE and the Jets had him playing OLD in a 3-4. Baaaad.
I think he could be that bookend Pep needs. If not him then Wootton is the man
#Duhh You already know
Agree completely.
I’m actually excited about both Gholston and Okoye.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Artoo Detoo man. Most certainly.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Replacing Kreutz.....
Need somebody else with a good straight right.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Go and get Randall Moss instead of Braylon Edwards
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I agree.
Don’t really want either, but Moss would do more for Cutler in the short term.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm dandy
with no randy.
he would be a cancer to set up gentle lovie has.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
He wasn't no cancer in 07 or most of his career in Minny. It was the pathetic Raida's that he had problems
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Agreed....
Mosses locker room issues are overblown. And whatever you think of Lovie, his ability to handle his players has never been in question. I think Lovie would keep him in line and let him retire without all the controversy.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Lost some of their depth.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
idc if they were the All-Madden team
if their name is the Packers. they still suck
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
They lot a lot more than just depth
They also lost one of their key D-Lineman to FA in Cullen Jenkins. I think Jay Cutler was real releaved to see the Packers lose some major bite to that D-Line
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 1, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted NO, based on the fact he really didn’t improve the teams major area of weakness, and that’s the O line, he got lucky that Carimi fell to him, and he’s a rookie, Spencer to me isn’t much of an upgrade over Kruetz , Webb only looked marginal at best last year on a line that was horrible, Williams is an enigma. The Roy Williams minor upgrade, losing Jays comfort guy in Olsen, I hope that doesn’t come back to bite us. I’m happy with the guys he kept, I’d be happy if we really get another CB like Carlos Rodgers, and we should have really went and signed a solid LG, IMO
Fix the Offensive Line
Love the whole album.
As good as Dirt, in my opinion.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as they have Cantrel
they will be good
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
let me fix that for you....
As long as they have Cantrel they will be good legends
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Cantrel could play with my 10 year olds and make a "good" album
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
For me it's a borderline C+/B-.....
I like the depth and low-risk high-reward signings but they aren’t great either. What ticks me off is that JA didn’t try to fix the line. They got shot down by Colon and just gave up on OG’s alltogether. He could’ve made a run at Dahl, Blalock, Gallery or any of the other Guards that could’ve solidified the line yet all he did was sign an average Center and cut a declining one. There’s still time to get a second-tier OG but that ain’t gonna happen.
by frenchbears113 on Aug 1, 2011 5:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
If they did
it wasn’t done publicly, which is fine. But the reality we’re presented with is we made a run at colon, then signed Spencer, and thats it. Regardless of what else Angelo chased or offered, fact is we’re left without a significant line upgrade.
If its free, take two.
I think 2 additions to the oline counts as a significant line change.
Now we have to see whether or not it’ll be an upgrade.
Agreed
We changed, time will tell if it was an upgrade. I’m cool with Spencer and Carimi, but would’ve liked something at the guard position other than a failed tackle and Garza (who I like, but is average, and I’d love him as a swing interior lineman).
If its free, take two.
We need a rule for Angelo that states:
anytime he signs/drafts a defensive lineman he is required to sign/draft an offensive lineman. Straight away he shouldn’t be allowed to do one without the other.
For some strange reason we can retool the defensive line every other year or sooner but we can only sign Olineman once in a blue moon.
Otherwise JA did good without breaking the bank, he got alot of value for the money this free agency. No Julius Peppers this time but we didn’t spend superstar dollars on either.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Aug 1, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions
The Carimi pick
means he doesn’t have to sign anyone for more a few mil and draft only 5th rounders and below.
If its free, take two.
Like i said
Have Angelo focus on defense, and anothet guy to focus on offense and has common sense
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
How would they cut players? Angelo doesn't value offense as much and vice versa
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
i cant vote
i give him a C. If he would have signed a good guard i would have given him an A+. he signed some good players, but neglected our biggest need.
@Sletizia7.... follow me. no really do it.
I don't know about an A+ with a guard
But I would believe then that we had a productive and solid offseason rather than one with questions.
If its free, take two.
a guard would have been the icing on the cake
We still need a guard and FA isn’t over. Maybe August 4th when FAs report there will be another round of cuts and we might be able to chickenhawk a player then. It will be a retread/discard but thats how Jerry roles on the Oline.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Aug 1, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Bears D-Line has a boatload of high round picks on it right now
Julius Peppers = #1 overall
Vernon Gholston = #6 overall
Amobe Okoye = #10 overall
Stephen Paea = 2nd (#56 overall)
Anthony Adams = 2nd (#57 overall)
Tank Tyler = 3rd (#82 overall)
Marcus Harrison = 3rd (#90 overall)
Henry Melton = 4th (#105 overall)
Corey Wootten = 4th (#109 overall)
If they can’t get a ton a pressure on QBs this year… then our so-called “best D-line coach in football,” is pretty worthless.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Aug 1, 2011 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He's listed on the roster on the Bears website.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
signed a reserve/futures contract January 10th
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Tank Tyler sure has a name that sounds tough
Is Tank his real first name or a nick name like Peanut Tillman?
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Aug 1, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Tough like Tank Johnson
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
no ... tough like Peanut Tillman.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I was making a joke. Tank is not a "tough" name and doesn't make the guy tough.
Tillman is scrappy but that doesn’t mean he is “tough”
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Peanut is a rather tough name, reminds me of Tiny
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
or the "former high picks"
which means almost nothing aren’t very good.
I hope Harvey Unga makes this team over Bell and Taylor
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I hope whoever performs the best makes the team.....
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too
I hope one of them is Unga!
"Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam" - Modest Mouse
lol, I like the kid, too, from what I've sen of him.
Better than Bell, anyways. Think Taylor could end up being a lot more useful this year with barber in town for short yardage. He could actually spell Forte the way that was intended. Properly used, He might still have something left to give.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to know
the thought process behind offering Willie Colon 30 mil, then when he doesn’t take it sign nobody. If you have a need, fill it. Have a plan B. Don’t tell me you feel good about the line when you offered someone 30 mil to play on it.
We need at least one more quality starter on the line to even approach average. We really didn’t upgrade the passing game. We had the second-worst offense in the league last year and have done essentially nothing to improve it.
I like the d-line additions, but that’s really all he’s done.
I don’t know what football the people who voted yes are watching, but they couldn’t have been watching the Bears offense last year.
DEJESUS!!!
You don't know what they're working on right now... or what other offers they made that didn't get reported
Plus, maybe they valued Colon very highly… but didn’t grade out some other available guys much higher than their own. I know that sounds ridiculous… but just saying it’s possible. Transactions were happening so fast… you to go all in to get your top target, and after he’s gone… the next guys are already gone too.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Biggs just tweeted
that Angelo said they are done bringing in offensive linemen.
If they grade out other guys higher than Chris Williams, they need a new grading system, because he was straight awful. And Webb was only a little better than awful. I find it hard to believe that NOBODY out there was better than the members of the worst unit in football.
DEJESUS!!!
agreed...
Webb I’m OK with. he developed well over the seasona and I think he’l be OK, given his age and the knowledge that he was extremely raw when drafted. But to decide they are comfortable with teh line……questionable.
I guess we’ll see. If the line does well, we’ll all be happy at the end of the year. But if it doesn’t, and the Bears fall. jerry may have just staked his job on this line.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 1, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope so
jerry may have just staked his job on this line
hate to say it but for the sake of getting him out of town I hope the line fails
by IndyBearsFan88 on Aug 1, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
stop watching games
drunk and stoned
DEJESUS!!!
That was a bit harsh, I agree.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
just cuz i'm black dont mean i smoke pot or drink
just cuz im 21 dont mean i smoke pot or drink…
do i smoke pot and drink? ^_~ i plea da FIF
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
I voted yes
I think that he’s done two things so far… Added depth and youth to an overall aging team. Structuring 1-year deals to a bunch of players who are still in their primes is a great move. Also adding those players to positions where you’re strengthening a decent spot already is a healthy gamble. DT, WR, DE, RB are all positions where JA took gambles on young hungry players so if they pan out, it’s a stroke of genius. If they’re average…It’s depth. If they suck…They’re gone. Perfect.
Next, he’s taking steps to improve the O-line. Many here may disagree but he has. How? Because he did what everyone wanted him to do. He drafted an O-lineman in the 1st round. I would love to had read the threads on draft day if he took a DE with the 1st pick. Instead he took a player that fell to him at a position of need, that no one thought would be there. Secondly, he let Kruetz walk, while adding youth to the Center position. Look Kreutz was done and if I had a dollar for every time I said that after he got pushed backed last season I’d be rich. I think JA nay have upgraded the position.
Also contrary to popular belief, the O-line was vastly improved after the bye week last season. A lot of the sacks that occurred was because of not just youth but bad play calling by Martz. Everyone on that line has a year of experience now and I believe will be an improved bunch.
He’s adding to a team that was in the NFC Championship game. He’s attempting to retool this team by signing young, underachieving talent for pennies on the dollar. So I say, so far so good.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Man, the Bears are keeping track of Pisa? Say it ain't so. I'd rather have Rod wilson for special teams
start Roach and have JT serve as the back for all three starters.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I vote no
I think all of the moves Jerry’s made so far have been good, or at least justifiable, but given how much cap room the Bears are still sitting on, I don’t see how you can conclude that Jerry did all he could to make the Bears a better team. And you also can’t argue that there was nobody to spend it on. There were several good Olinemen and DBs out there, and there still are, for that matter.
Pat Riley is the devil.
30th ranked offense
relying on a rookie tackle and a shitty center on the o line. a bum wr who will have to have a reawakening to do anything here, please name the last offensive player the bears have either reinvigorated or coached up into a hell of a player?
remember waiting for the line to gel half the year last year? get ready for more of that kids.
Love that song
I used to listen to that all the time…back in middle school during my gansta phase
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
JA Has A Mental Block When It Comes To Offensive Linemen
he only picked up Spencer because his talks with Kreutz was going nowhere. Despite the glaring weakness of the O-line from last season he has addressed all other needs except that one and its going to come back and haunt the team again once the season starts.
His drafting is pretty shoddy too- Carimi (the exception) just sort of fell on his lap and even then he nearly screwed that one up to (with the incident with the Ravens).
Tony Hargrove? Oh boy. Not sure. He was a druggie up until last year.
Plus he is ANOTHER D-Lineman
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Sorry, he was a druggie prior to the Saints. I know he played for the Bills and I think the Rams. The guy had promise
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
I give up on him looking for an O-lineman
At least one good guard i’ll be happy but screw it
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
well they are still looking at F/A's maybe.....
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
maybe he needs to put the lime in the coconut
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Naw; drink it all up
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 1, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
For real?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 1, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted no.
[Insert generic ‘the O-Line wasn’t addressed enough’ line here.]
"The money don’t motivate me. The money don’t motivate me at all. But the thing is, maybe I do want to wake up one morning and say, ‘Baby, let’s go to the Bahamas. Today.’ That costs money."
- Mike James, Bi-Winning
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 1, 2011 9:41 PM CDT reply actions
i feel like
JA made a lot of high risk high reward moves this off season. Not so much financially: we really didnt pay much; but we are counting on these cut players to come in and produce for us even though they didnt on their previous teams. I really cant judge this FA period and what hes done so far until post season.
Another friggin d-lineman?
How many of them do you possibly need?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
If it were up to Jerry
he would grab every D Lineman from the other 31 teams in the league. He loves them all.
Just sign Leonard Davis already for two years.
The dude is a house.
Or sign Max Starks and let him work his way back into shape.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I'm coming closer
to wanting to punch Jerry “DONKEY” Angelo in the face
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Sure he can, they will have to switch some numbers around, but they can.
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
Sean Jensen on CW:
skjensen Sean Jensen
Two on two linemen blocking drills, consecutive times 6 foot 6 Chris Williams ends up on the ground…
Son of a...
"The Cubbie Bears are experiencing a 'Bull' market, so they are not Hawking anything because they are in the Black." Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls and 'Hawks.
yeah JA we dont need help on the O line
smdh
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Hopefully Tice will cite this as evidence to add a new player into the mix
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 2, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
For what it's worth:
adamspeaks Adam Oestmann
Thank you. Appears Anthony Hargrove has not signed w/#Bears. RT @stillrealtome: @adamspeals The beat reporter contacted him, and he said no.
JarmstrongTP Jennifer Armstrong
@MikeTripletttp just told our night editor that talks of #Saints’ Hargrove signing are premature, he and #Bears are still in talks.
BradBiggs Brad Biggs
Don’t believe Twitter speculation #Bears signed Anthony Hargrove is accurate.
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Voted Yes
Don’t like losing D. Manning , G. Olsen or Olin. And we haven’t signed a "big time" O-lineman, but like someone else mentioned earlier, we don’t always know what has/is happening behind the scenes.
Still overall this has to be a yes.
-Drafted two rookies in rounds 1 and 2, to improve our biggest need at O-line and keep our D-line a strength.
-Kept Forte from holding out.
-Brought in 2 former cowboys (R. Williams and M. Barber) that have been productive in the past. Maybe they can do it again and maybe not, who knows. If they don’t, JA brought them in for cheap, min risk and improves our depth at key positions. If they do, we get the "big" WR we wanted and/or a powerback to complement Forte.
-Two former 1st rounders (Gholston and Okoye) were also brought in cheap. Gholston, a physically gifted athlete that hasn’t produced (0 sacks over 3 seasons), can he turn his career around? And Okoye, also an athletic bigman, he’s already been in for a few years and he’s only 24, could he contribute to an already impressive D-line? A lot of upside and zero to min zisk.
- Brought in 28 UDFA’s. Why so many? While JA’s draft record isn’t the greatest, but it’s not the worst either. He has found a few gems in the later rounds. Hopefully, JA and the coaches find another gem in this bunch.
And since the question didn’t specify on this shorten off-season or overall:
-We made it to the Superbowl in 2006
-Traded for talented J. Cutler.
-Took the biggest free agent J. Peppers year after.
-We have 3 former head coaches at OC, DC and Oline. Some could argue they are the best at what they do. I’m not going to, seems like enough of that going on lately.
-We were only 1 game away from the Superbowl folks, in which our starting QB got hurt early in the 2nd quarter.
Barber
What I hear most about Barber is the contribution he’ll make in short yardage situations. Seemed to me that although he looked sub-par for most of the time, Chester Taylor actually looked pretty good in short yardage last year. What am I missing?
Chester Taylor and Matt Forte were too similar in terms of running style
Needed more of a power back that goes north to south.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 2, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
We were horrible in short yardage situations last year with both Forte and Taylor.
Taylor was hurt, himself, by having to be placed in that role. Our short yardage situations will hopefully be better with Barber, and Taylor will likely be better off without having to play in situations he wasn’t built for.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 2, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
jery the joke angeo who
Listen i am a true bears fan an former athelete ,,, how is it you can cut Desmond clark and sign him back but you wont admit you it was jerries ego that hurt Olin not olin performance . He may not be the former olin but who was better in our conference ,, an finally did jerry say help him out if we could pick better then we should say something listen . iam not in no ways a bigget but jerry is it is his ego not the owners or his friend tim ruske what ever his name is who pulled the plug it was jerry … and hell no one will admit it but you never win games with him but the player at qeus? did sonow what does he due he calls back desmond clark wow this shows because ,, desmond ben hired to reel everyone back in like the players that matter so cansave face, i say fire the guy. I remeber another jerry who said players dont win organizations and he look like a penguine no offense, but this was the leader of the entire team ,, and no jay will never be the leader ,, you can only lead naturally not forced sorry but i will never understand how the owners let this gimmick run the team he never playeed anything but him self an im out..
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