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Chicago Bears 2011 Position Battles: Quarterback

If it were me, I would have picked a different number.  Number 10 might still have some suck on it from Todd Collins.

I planned on hitting the quarterback position towards the end of my series, and the entire post would have been along the lines of, 'Cutler-1, Hanie-2, Enderle-3, move on nothing to see here', but with the recent flip flop of practice reps by Caleb Hanie and rookie Nathan Enderle, there's a buzz around the Bears fandom.  Even if the rep switcheroo was only for 1 practice.  After the jump I'll get into that #2 battle, but first here's my quick thought on Jay Cutler.  He'll have the finest season of his career.  Book it.

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I'm not reading that much into the repetition flip flop.  Mike Martz does these kids of things.  He likes to push buttons, he likes to hand a player some adversity and sit back to watch it unfold.  Would Hanie gripe and complain to the media or his agent?  Would he sit and pout on the sidelines?  Would he continue to be a good teammate?  Maybe Martz dosen't like Hanie, but I don't think he'll let his personal feelings get in the way of naming the #2 QB.  His gigantic ego would take a hit if Enderle were the backup, saw some game action and failed. 

Things like last seasons Todd Collins experience happens all around football.  Coaches trust their veterans sometimes to a fault.  He performed good in practice, he's been effective throughout his career, so Martz gave him the benefit of the doubt.  But in the biggest game of the year the Bears didn't mess around with the vet, they saw Collins take just a handful of snaps in the NFC Title game before putting in Hanie.  It may have took Martz longer to see that his guy was done and that the game has passed him by, but Todd Collins is no longer the Bears problem.

I have no issue with if Martz wants to send a message to Hanie for his performance against the Bills, and at the same time reward Enderle for his.  Backup quarterbacks move around a lot in the NFL.  It's just the nature of the position.  Their extreme confidence in themselves has them always looking for that starting opportunity.  This is more than likely Hanie's last season backing up Cutler.  He signed his tender for 2011, and I don't see him accepting a role as #2 in 2012.  Enderle is signed through 2014.  So it is what it is.

I'd be remiss if I failed to mention rookie QB Trevor Vittatoe.  There, I mentioned him.  He's a practice squad candidate.

If by some chance the Bears do decide to go with a veteran QB, I think it'll be Hanie that is the odd man out.  No way the Bears expose Enderle to the waiver wire and take a chance that their draft choice is scooped up.  Their hand was forced last year in losing Dan LeFevour, and they won't allow a kid they perceive as the future walk away again.  But I don't think they'll bring anyone in unless someone is hurt.

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by seanc909 on Aug 18, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

thanks

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by JoeCB1991 on Aug 18, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he has another option, I would say no. Waddle on ESPN was saying how the Bears could’ve handled it so much better – it’s embarrassing if not downright humiliating for a player who’s huddled with the starters in the biggest game of our last postseason to be treated in that manner in front of his teammates, regardless of the fact that he’s only the backup QB. Simple man management skills would dictate that you speak to him individually to let him know that they’re going to give Enderle a run with the 2s.

For many of us, our reaction would be “Big deal, crybaby” but as Lester said, professional sportsmen tend to have that kind of mentality where any kind of real or implied slight is amplified. If Martz is still here and Hanie has options, I can’t see him wanting to return.

Just Dave (on possible new OL signings): JaMarcus Russell. He's been standing in front of better quarterbacks his entire career.

by Spongie on Aug 18, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Whether Martz is here or not

I don’t think Hanie would sign in a place where he has no shot of being #1. He’ll have 4 years under his belt with film on him for scouts to see. His agent will shop him around to teams with an unstable QB situation.

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 18, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

but does any NFL team even remotely think Hanie could start for them?

I would be surprised if any team thought, based on his small (decent at best, bad at worst) sample size, that he could or should start for them.

I know you're curious Joseph, you're at that age, and you often forget to delete your internet history.

by jimribs on Aug 18, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Matt Moore and John Beck have a chance to start for their teams this season

I don’t see why Hanie couldn’t

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by ThorCo on Aug 18, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Delhomme got a deal after a few years in the league

and 86 attempts… Teams that need a QB look at all the backups

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 18, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Caleb is at least

as good as most back ups in the league. Who knows if he can be a starter unless he gets a legitimate opportunity to compete for it.

by Big Ike on Aug 18, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally wanted Haine to be the guy before we traded for Cutler

I thought he had potential to be solid starter in this league as long as he was surrounded by a good run game. Hopefully he’s successful elsewhere, cause it won’t be here behind Cutler. I can see him going to a team like Oakland or Buffalo where the QB situation is hot garbage

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by ThorCo on Aug 18, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

So did I

Hanie has Indeed earned the right to at least back up Jay. It’s really a slap in the face to throw Enderle his share of reps. It’s not like Nathan was a 1st round pick that the Bears expect to be their franchise QB. I still can’t believe Todd Collins got the call over him last season.

by Big Ike on Aug 18, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

after stepping back from the ledge

I can understand giving Enderle reps, cause Hanie will be gone after this year, and if he’s going to be the back he’ll need reps for experience. The Collins thing I don’t get but I’m not the coaching staff

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by ThorCo on Aug 18, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Hanie would want to stay as a backup for Cutler

Or any QB for the matter.

I feel after coming off the bench and nearly winning the NFCCG for the Bears a lot of teams around the league feel Hanie has some potential to be a starter in the NFL. I’m pretty sure if Hanie doesn’t re-sign with the Bears after this season, he would be one of the hot commodities in FA. He’ll definitely be a back-up at the least if not given an opportunity to start elsewhere.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 18, 2011 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Thats what used to tick me off about Martz when he was in Detroit

We had quarterbacks on our roster that were good enough to win with (i.e Drew Stanton) and Martz went with journeyman JT O’Sullivan who absolutely sucked. Seems like Martz has his favorites and if a guy is more talented Martz doesn’t neccesarily feel like he has to play him.

Obviously, Cutler is the franchise and rightfully so, but if he happens to go down for a long period of time, will Martz do the right thing and play Hanie who has experience playing or go with the rookie that Martz wanted out of the draft? My guess is he will pick the rookie.

Martz is a stubborn and egocentric kind of coach who always thinks he’s right even if he knows he’s wrong. He is a smart coach who knows defenses, I will give him that, but he has to put his pride and stubborness aside and play Hanie if Cutler gets injured. Its the right thing to do.

From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!

by DLions4Eva on Aug 18, 2011 11:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree

I think Martz’s judgement stinks. I hope Lovie keeps him under control through the season.

by Gaak on Aug 18, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, look at his history since he left St. Louis

He went to Detroit, was running an offense that gave up 50 sacks a game, nice passing stats but no wins or running game. Martz blamed the woes of losing on that line indirectly when he was a analyst on NFL Network that one year.

He gets fired after season 2, goes to San Fransisco for one year, makes journeyman qb JT O’Sullivan the starter and he gets killed behind that offensive line. Martz gets fired after 1 season.

He goes to Chicago, though they win the division and attempt to run the ball, Cutler gets sacked 50 times and the running game was only so-so.

I’m wondering if its Martz’s scheme that makes o-lines worse than they really are. The Bears have always had a running game and didn’t give up much sacks until Martz got there.

Cutler is essentially behind a o-line that potentially might be as bad or worse, so you have to wonder if Martz will try to air it out more now that Roy Williams is there. He’s been pass-happy ever since he’s been a coordinator and I see him going back to his old ways now that he has “his guy”.

Cutler….may GOD have mercy on your mangled body after another 300-lb lineman slams you to the ground repeatedly.

From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!

by DLions4Eva on Aug 18, 2011 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Martz's downfall might be

That since the Pats beat him in Super Bowl XXXVII or whatever, he has had diminished success. Could it be the Pats laid out the basic plan of attack to take down his offense? Faulk even said last year that at halftime of that Super Bowl players said “run it more and we can win” and Martz refused.

Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
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by Sam Householder on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they dont call him "The Mad Scientist" for nothing

He had Hall of Fame players on a really good team when that kind of pass-happy scheme wasn’t as well known. Now that teams have figured out how to beat it, Martz must change his philosophy and that hasn’t happened yet, though he did try moreso last year than years prior.

I just don’t think that Martz will ever change his pass happy ways and with that o-line having the issues it’s had since he got here, I anticipate Cutler getting rocked with the kind of division the Bears play in and the teams they play this year.

Martz may figure it out, but its too early to tell if he does fix those o-line problems with his playcalling. We will see.

From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!

by DLions4Eva on Aug 18, 2011 1:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Martz has pretty much declared Hanie the #2

so you’d think Hanie would be in if Cutler went down, but after last season, who knows? Let’s just make sure to double our sacrifices to the Football Gods to keep Cutler healthy this year.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Aug 18, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been burning as many fake cheese heads as possible

there is a layer of yellow smog around Southwestern Wisconsin

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by ThorCo on Aug 18, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

only during the hallowed Dairy Month

….

which is pretty much every month I guess

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by ThorCo on Aug 19, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He’ll have the finest season of his career. Book it.

Hopefully of his career so far, not of his entire career. I’m looking forward to him continuing to improve over the years.

by oripunk3485 on Aug 18, 2011 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Not me

I hope he has a great year in 2011, then travels in a downward spiral the rest of his time in Chicago.

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 18, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finest of his Bears career maybe

I don’t see him passing for 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns this year with our O-line. Thing is if he does that then that would mean we are not running the ball as much and putting him at risk with 5-7 step drops. I’ll be happy with a productive balanced season from the passing and run games but I don’t see him having a better year then he did that Pro Bowl year in Denver. They only gave up 17 sacks that year. Honestly if we give up 35 or less this year I will be giddy.

"I'm so fly, ya'll still at the terminal" -Lil Wayne

by Chitownproduct on Aug 18, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he gets 3500 yards, 25 TDs, and 12 INTs, I'll be ecstatic...

Wouldn’t that be pretty darn close to the best season any Bears QB has ever had?

by Doshi on Aug 18, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would

And it also means there would be good production with the running game as well. I hope Martz really sticks to the run game and not go Mad Martz on us the first 7 weeks of the season.

"I'm so fly, ya'll still at the terminal" -Lil Wayne

by Chitownproduct on Aug 18, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see that

Except I’d change 3,500 into 3,800.

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by JoeCB1991 on Aug 18, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember the Dick Jauron era,

when a reporter blamed the OC for the Bears’ woes at the time. Jauron took full blame saying, “As the head coach, ultimately all the decisions has to go through me”. Lovie had all the faith in the world in Rex, the least he can do is put his foot down for Hanie being the back up, or let him go somewhere and have a fair opportunity to compete.

by Big Ike on Aug 18, 2011 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

For those Hanie doubters clamoring for a veteran backup to Cutler, don't forget that it has to be someone familiar with Martz system.

That really cuts down of the talent pool. But I suppose they could always resign Todd Collins (rolls eyes). I look for Hanie to leave the team next season regardless, and Martz grooming Enderle to take with him if he gets a head coaching offer. That will leave the Bears without a viable #2 unless they spend some money, which we know they won’t on a #2.

by BigGeorgeTX on Aug 18, 2011 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

You'd think Martz was the head coach for the Bears

I understand you’ve got to let your coordinators do their jobs, but a head coach still has to know when to pull the reigns.

by Big Ike on Aug 18, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hanie sucks

he is not the second coming of Kyle Orton.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Aug 18, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Somebody didn't eat his wheaties this morning...

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Aug 18, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I quit smoking a couple of days ago

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Aug 18, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously?

Great for you and best wishes. As someone who smoked for 20+ years and quit 5 years ago I can feel your pain. Just keep grinding it out and eventually those cravings become acceptable. I used nicorette. Really helped me. Good luck Sir. I wish you well.

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Aug 18, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Screw Nicorette.

Cold turkey is the way to go. How can you give something up by continuing to do a little of it every day? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s owned by the tobacco companies. I quit cold turkey and had no problems after day two. Same with booze. I didn’t have a shot a day to ‘take the edges off’. Youi want to quit something? Then quit it.

by Wally&Mac on Aug 19, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK

Nicorette didn’t help me. Have it your way.

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Aug 19, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah for real and I smoked 2 packs a day for 47 years

My lungs are fine, but I have Peripheral Artery Disease and don’t want to end up strapped to a wheelchair and unable to physically get away from the meatheaded Green Bay fans down at the VA.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Aug 19, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm using an electronic cigarette to get my nicotine fix

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Aug 19, 2011 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now if that was sarcastic...

ignore everything I said above. And I’m not sure I like you anymore…. ;)

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Aug 18, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha!

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 18, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

not even close?

He must “suck” at something if he’s been a back up…and yes that INT to Raji STILL pisses me off

"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"

by T.Moore on Aug 19, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

for the record I dont think he completely sucks

I like him as a back up…Still hated that Raji int tho

"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"

by T.Moore on Aug 19, 2011 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hanie won't be back

but he probably doesn’t need to be either.

I agree Les. that Cutler will have his best season yet. I think if we had a decent o-line he’d be in for an “eff-you” year to shut up all the haters, but as it is I still see him besting the single season QB marks set by Kramer back in ’95 so about 3,900 yards, 30 TDs and about 15 INTs.

Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost

by Sam Householder on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

It matters to him.

Always good to have your Sunny disposition gracing the message boards, don’t be a stranger!

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 19, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

qb depth chart

I don’t think Hanie will stick around next year either. He’ll want to go somewhere he can play. It’s too bad because I think he would be a good backup, he just won’t get the playing time here. Agree with Lester that Cutler will have a big season, around 4000 yards, 30-35 TDs and cuts down on the INTs.

by walterfan34 on Aug 18, 2011 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

You have tremendous fate in our offense

I just don’t see that kind of production, hope they prove me wrong.

"I'm so fly, ya'll still at the terminal" -Lil Wayne

by Chitownproduct on Aug 18, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

sure

"I'm so fly, ya'll still at the terminal" -Lil Wayne

by Chitownproduct on Aug 19, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

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