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Chicago Bears 2011 Position Battles: Offensive Line

BOURBONNAIS, IL - AUGUST 06:  Chris Spencer #67 of the Chicago Bears prepares to snap the ball to Caleb Hanie #12 during a summer training camp practice at Olivet Nazarene University on August 6, 2011 in Bourbonnais, Illinois.  (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

This group of players holds the key to the Bears playoff chances in 2011.  If they simply can become an average group, the Bears should return to the postseason.  I should amend that last sentence, because I think they're at least average as run blockers, but they need to step up their play in pass protection and go from garbage to average.  It's not as big a leap as some may think.  Play calling by Mike Martz, some scheme changes, and tightening up on individuals technique would go a long way to get them to average.

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New center Chris Spencer wasn't brought in to ride the pine.  He'll start with Roberto Garza going back to right guard, and Lance Louis will back up both guard spots.  Louis has shown some good stuff, but I think he's a year away from being a full time starter.  Remember he was a tight end in college, then moved to guard, then to tackle.  He was a very raw player coming out of San Diego State, but I think he'll be a solid contributor eventually.  And if Louis plays himself into the lineup this preseason, and Tice feels he's one of the best 5 then that's a good thing.  Spencer will provide good depth.

Chris Williams, who is having a good camp according to reports, has left guard locked up...  I'm not sure how I feel about that one.  Left tackle will be J'Marcus Webb, who needs an intensity transfusion, and rookie Gabe Carimi will start on the right side.  I understand why Bears o-line coach Mike Tice is so adamant about Carimi being a right tackle, his skill set and temperament scream RT, but if he's a better option on the left side, I think he should be given the opportunity.  Thus far, Carimi is playing like a 1st round pick should.  I've been impressed by his play through 2 preseason games.

I'm not down on Webb as some are.  His mistakes are poor technique and effort.  He's capable of playing better, he just has to realize that NFL intensity is required in the preseason opener as well as the regular season.  Yesterday's Den saw a great article by Matt Bowen about Webb's technique issues, in my opinion it's a must read, so here's the link again.  Webb looked like he put the last week of practice to good use.  He was better against the Giants last night.  He's getting there.

Frank Omiyale is a sure bet to make the roster, as either a swing tackle or the starting LT if Webb fails.  His ability to fill in at guard makes him a valuable reserve.  Edwin Williams is another key backup, as he can fill in across all three interior positions. 

Levi Horn has turned some heads in camp playing tackle and looks to make the final roster.  The other tackle in camp is rookie Josh Davis, who looks like a practice squad candidate.  Another solid practice squad hopeful is rookie center Alex Linnenkohl, who scouts say is great technically, but is a year away physically.  If a team claims him if the Bears cut him, that team will have to keep him on the active roster.  I don't think a team would want to keep him on their final 53, as he's just not ready.  The Bears could slip him through waivers and bring him back to the practice squad.

J.C. Brignone is also in camp to play the interior of the line, and will get a look at the p.s. because he's versatile.  Johan Asiata is in camp again and may be on his last chance to make the Bears.  He's an aggressive player with a mean streak, but after kicking around for a couple years this could be a make or break camp.  Ricky Henry is another big bodied guard (6'4" 310) that is looking to make an impression. 

If you're wondering where the great Herman "House" Johnson is, he was just cut by the Giants after being released by the Bears a few weeks ago.

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The offensive line seems to be average right now

They did OK last night and kept Cutler upright for the most part. They might not be as bad as some might think, but than again, they might be worse depending on how much improvement they can make before Sept.

Roy Williams isn’t any different than he was in Detroit. Dropping passes, alligator arming passes, and still signaling for 1st downs when getting beat. This guy will be the #2 before long and Knox deserves to be a #1 guy considering he was the best receiver on the team last year.

From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!

by DLions4Eva on Aug 23, 2011 11:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I think we all would take one sack per game from this line.

#justsayin.

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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 23, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

One sack per game = 16 sacks in a season

I would definitely take that!

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gee, I had no idea of that math when I made the joke.

:)

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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 23, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you did

Thought I would do that for those not understanding the joke.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not down on Webb as some are.

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That would be me.

by boondock_saint812 on Aug 23, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

he played with much better technique last night

He has a ways to go, but he looked better

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I thought JPP would just embarrass Webb. Needs to cut down the penalties.

by boondock_saint812 on Aug 23, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Louis played all right last night, but not well enough to start, I think.

He’d better step it up real soon if he’s going to be RG. Otherwise, I think you gotta try the Webb, Williams, Spencer, Garza, Carimi combo as starters to give them some time to jell.

by oripunk3485 on Aug 23, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with everything except Levi Horn.

The Bears have kept 8 linemen each of the past 4 seasons: 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007. The starters + backups Edwin Williams, Omiyale, and Spencer = 8.

by Mike Mueller on Aug 23, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah a numbers crunch could get him

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

My question to all the Bears fans is this:

Do you guys think that the Bears line will actually be improved or as good (or bad) as last year, or worse than last year?

I think they could be as good (or bad) as last year or better. I like Carimi and Martz might figure out the best way to use them. Should be another successful season if they do pull through.

From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!

by DLions4Eva on Aug 23, 2011 11:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

improved

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

O-line should be average

which, in Bears terms, equals All-Pro. We went far with a crappy line last year; a mediocre line should get us over the top, all things being equal.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Aug 23, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

meaning knox should start?

cuz, ya know, thats what we did last yr

by BOBdaBEAR on Aug 23, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

If we took the exact same team as last year but put in a mediocre o-line, we’ll win the Super Bowl. No joke.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Aug 23, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

not trying to disagree

just checkin…
and i can see that being true…

by BOBdaBEAR on Aug 23, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

improved

but still a bottom 5 line.

by MrPants on Aug 23, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Asiata and Horn

Asiata looked brutal on a couple of plays, I think it is time to end that experiment.

I think Horn is practice squad at best. Omiyale can back up both tackles.

Is there any doubt that this unit can be improved by other teams cuts?
The only question is will JA feel the need to do it?!

I do think this line will be slightly improved, especially on the right side, assuming Garza moves back over. Carimi is a huge upgrade.

by taketheunder on Aug 23, 2011 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Spencer is the answer at center,

but Garza might not be the best option at RG. The pass blocking will get better with experience, and the sacks will be reduced if Cutler learns to throw the ball away instead of trying to make something happen on every broken play.

I feel Garza played a part in the poor run blocking, and that needs to improve this season. And, while I credit Garza with his experience, I just don’t see the running game being that much better with him on the right side no matter how well Carimi is playing. I don’t know if Louis is the answer, and maybe the answer isn’t on the team right now, but I’ll have to give Tice the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with him that Carimi needs to play RT so maybe Louis is the best choice at RG especially in the running game.

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by HighTops on Aug 23, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

^ This

Louis made improvements across the board, give him a chance to win it against Garza, and truly see who the better player at RG is.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do not

Lotsa seahawks fans round these parts. Frequent complaints on his line calls and pickups on stunts, etc. He just not be sharp enough to direct traffic up front. For this reason, I think his long term usefulness may be at guard with CWill moving to center, but I doubt this happens this year.

by Sound_Automatic on Aug 23, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now might be the time to put Spencer in the starting lineup

and kick Garza back to RG. Louis showed improvement, but he still doesn’t look like he’s quite ready to be a starter.

Not that I think Garza is a stud at RG – he actually has looked kind of bad in the last couple of games. But he’s better than Louis at this point, and isn’t “better” all we’re hoping for?

by NorthSideBearsFan on Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope they do that this week

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why we should hit the eject button on Louis

When Garza hasn’t looked any better albeit at a different position. I understand Garza can be a much better player back at RG, but he was every bit as responsible as Louis was, especially in the red-zone. Garza got knocked off the line.

I say have Spencer line-up at Center and have Louis compete with Garza for RG. C’mon y’all the starting 5 did great last night, give them some slack.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is it?
C’mon y’all the starting 5 did great last night

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay I'll downgrade that to "good"

Pass protection was “great” but the run blocking….no

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

But they blocked for runs well in the Bills game.

So they did half-great in two games.

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by badsamaritan on Aug 23, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I'd like to see Spencer in the starting line-up

my guess is that Tice is gonna stick with same front 5. Experience and continuity might be the best coaches for this line.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's give the O-Line credit

They played good last night. Really they didn’t allow one sack, where said sack was on Cutler holding onto the ball too long. That is major improvement in my book. Shoot Lance Louis looked a lot better last night.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree

i was particularly impressed by carimi handling justin tuck as though tuck was the rookie and he was the all-pro
kid’s gonna be great, God-willing

by BOBdaBEAR on Aug 23, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or is it...
They played good last night.

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's "good"

“Great” has lost the starting job to “good” because it lacked effort. Roy Williams should be taking note of this…

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Naw

Its just getting the Caleb Hanie treatment…

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Martz is just treating Hanie as any person should treat a 'stace sporting Texan.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Aug 23, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

'stache*

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Aug 23, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, for Spongie's sake....

Good-measure of quality or quantity of a thing a thing

Well-measure of quality of a performance

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Aug 23, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am Spongie, and I approve this double-plus good message.

Just Dave (on possible new OL signings): JaMarcus Russell. He's been standing in front of better quarterbacks his entire career.

by Spongie on Aug 23, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

If you’re wondering where the great Herman “House” Johnson is, he was just cut by the Giants after being released by the Bears a few weeks ago.

Whaaaaat? And after young Erik argued convincingly that he was brought in to learn the scheme and become a starting guard for us? Do these coaches even know what they’re doing? :sadface:

Just Dave (on possible new OL signings): JaMarcus Russell. He's been standing in front of better quarterbacks his entire career.

by Spongie on Aug 23, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Sad face indeed

Now he’s nothing more than a journeyman backup…:(

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Aug 23, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we have spencer at center and garza at Rg and carimi at tackel

Were good on the right side..then we hve to deal with webb an williams on the left side.If somehow we can sign a guard that can start we can help webb out at tackel.I t would be alot eaier trying to help 1 postion then the whole left side.all we need to do is have a Rb block or a TE..I’m sure some one will be cut for money or get beat out by young talent when they start cutting players.
I think his O-line is improved with carimi and spencer starting i would rate it a decent line then.Not good better than last yr yes

by tazz34 on Aug 23, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm actually feeling better about Chris Williams at LG

He’s been ok at camp and he’s turned in two solid games in the preseason. Perhaps he’s finally figured it out. At this point, I would be more worried about Louis or Webb than Williams.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Aug 23, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Williams looks to be one of our most solid guys thus far . His run ....

…. blocking looks good , his pass blocking looks good & overall hes been playin pretty darn good . Carimi has been awesome and looks to be legit . If Spencer keeps playing good it’ll be hard to keep him off the field .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 23, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on this line

Webb—Spencer—E.Williams—Garza—Carimi

This is my first post on this great blog, so ….Go Bears

Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time

by Ditka's Stache on Aug 23, 2011 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Welcome!

I’m not sold on Williams…

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 23, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time

by Ditka's Stache on Aug 23, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they move Spencer to the starting o-line, it'll be at center

They didn’t pay him $6 million (or whatever it was) to not play a position he started at every game last year.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Aug 23, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ayup, $6M over 2 years.

When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.

by Spongie on Aug 23, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you switch

Spencer and Edwin Williams than I like it

by MrPants on Aug 23, 2011 9:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Welcome

To Thunderdome!!!

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Aug 23, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I’ll try not to make a Dilfer out of myself

Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time

by Ditka's Stache on Aug 24, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dilfer

to mention Dilfer (n) is to Dilfer (v) yourself as a Dilfer (adj)

think Jay Cutler should hold out till he's satisfied with his OL

by BearDownIsrael on Aug 24, 2011 2:52 AM CDT reply actions  

How can you verb yourself as an adjective?

“I consider myself as a terrific!”

When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.

by Spongie on Aug 24, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I ask again.

Are we that petty that Dilfer is our primary censorship filter substitute word?

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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 24, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does a Bear Dilfer in the woods?

When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 24, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 24, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im hoping the O- Line can feed off the Giants game

And just keep getting better as the season goes on.

by tazz34 on Aug 24, 2011 6:28 AM CDT reply actions  

All things being equal the OL should be better this year, for Ditka’s sake. Monday was a step further. And,… I kind of like it the way it sits right now. Webb, C Dub, Garza/Spencer, Garza/Luis, and Carimi. I hope Luis takes more reps in the game, and hopefully gets better.

by transylvanian bear on Aug 24, 2011 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

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