Sign-Trade-Release: Chicago Bears' Defensive Ends
by David Taylor on Aug 4, 2011 5:00 PM CDT
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The object of this game is simple. I'll provide you with a mixture of three past or present Chicago Bears. You'll decide which one of these players (in their prime) you would sign, which one you would trade, and which one you would release.*
Jump with me to see a few of each candidate's credentials.
| Doug Atkins (#81) | Richard Dent (#95) | Julius Peppers (#90) |
| NFL: 1953-1969 | NFL: 1983-1997 | NFL: 2002-Present |
| Chicago: 1955-1966 | Chicago: 1983-1993 | Chicago: 2010-Present |
| 8x Pro Bowl | 4x Pro Bowl | 6x Pro Bowl |
| 10x All Pro | 5x All Pro | 5x All Pro |
| HOF (1982) | HOF (2011) | HOF (tbd) |
| Pro Bowl MVP (1958) | Super Bowl XX MVP | AP Defensive ROY (2002) |
*You must sign one, trade one and release one.
Use the comments section to tells us your selections, and the reasonings behind them.
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Sign Doug Atkins he has the best cred so far, trade Pep he has the most value as he still has life left in him. Release Dent if for no other reason than to make rdent4hof’s head explode.
My team is on the floor. -Coach Norman Dale
This is way too hard.
They are all one in a generation type players. Can I keep Dent on the line, put Atkins on the other end and then turn Peppers into a running back? He can outrun or run over most of the NFL as it is.
Sign: Dent (Impact player that defenses had to always account for. Great leader)
Trade: Peppers (Same comment as Dent only I had to choose one to trade)
Release: Atkins (Release only because I know the least about him)
Wow....This and MLB will be the toughest to figure out here, with RB coming close behind them.
Before I answer, am I signing them in their era or this one? Will Atkins play in the 50’s/60’s or today? Will Dent play in the 4-6 or in Lovie’s defense?
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
Hey no follow up questions.
Put on your big boy pants and make a decision I did. Mr. Taylor has neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to anyone.
My team is on the floor. -Coach Norman Dale
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 4, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Stay out this, hype-boy.
Grown-ups are talking! ;)
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Hype Man first off...
and I’ll get involved in whatever I want, I’ve been around here awhile…
Hell it’s not like I write for the Bleacher Report… :)
My team is on the floor. -Coach Norman Dale
lol
Paid writer, thank you.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
yep.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
lol.....
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
My peppermints kick ass.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
by Just Dave on Aug 4, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you need a better name if....
your going to be Cheeky Monkey’s well deserved Robin.
Suggestions:
The Boy Ditka
DitkavaUneducatedFew (cause you don’t want to be against the majority of the world who support David’s cheekiness.
The aforementioned Hype-Boy
ThatGuyWhoObsessesOverCheekyMonkey
NinjaMonkey (cause we all know David has these at his bidding)
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops....
Should be “DitkavsUneducatedFew”
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice try.
Everybody knows he’s not the Cheeky Monkey Guy, he’s Smudgers and you should be careful I’m a protected commodity.
My team is on the floor. -Coach Norman Dale
If you'd like....
you can switch them. I went with Ckeeky because our newer members may not remember smudgers.
But I like Smudgers and The Boy Ditka a lot. Has a ring to it.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Shhh nobody really gives a Sh!t about the nubes.
And I’m noboy’s boy.
My team is on the floor. -Coach Norman Dale
lol.....
Batman and The Boy Wonder reference, dude.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys are funny.
And I do like the sound of Smudgers and The Boy Ditka. ;)
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I knew you would :)
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I got the reference... BIFF
maybe I’ll go by BurtWardvsWorld.
My team is on the floor. -Coach Norman Dale
by Ditkavsworld on Aug 5, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
lol!
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 5, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone know
what the unofficial sack numbers are for Doug Atkins? I’ve looked around forever, but haven’t heard of a figure.
Sign: Peppers
Trade: Dent
Release: Atkins
I could substitute Peppers with Dent and I doubt it would matter much. I have Peppers slightly over him because of the amount of attention Peppers attracts.
no idea... he was a beast though
When ever Mike Ditka boards an aircraft the aircraft changes it's call sign to Bear Force One.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Aug 4, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I would sign Dent and Peppers
Trade Atkins for 2 first rounders and draft some O-Line.. I just can’t let talent like this slip away. Trips to the Superbowl with these guys on defense is the direction I’ll take.
I know I must keep only one, trade one, and release one
I suppose if I had to keep one it would be Peppers
My picks...
Sign: Pep. Admittedly, I’m rewarding him for projected future performance. He’s really only 2/3rd of the way through his career, and he’s already equaled (at least) Dent’s accomplishments. He’s only 31 years old, and he looks as good as ever. He should be able to keep playing at a high level until he’s 35, at least. I’d be surprised if he didn’t. If he were to play as many years as Atkins, he’d have another 7 to go.
Trade: Atkins. Wow is that a list of accomplishments! I’d like to know how many Sacks he would have gotten if it were an officially recorded stat. He’s freakishly tall for a DE (6-8) and undersized in the perfect Lovie Smith mold (257). Granted, the DE position in the 50s and 60s was markedly different than it is today. But still, he played for an impressive 16 years during a brutal period for the game.
Release: Dent. I know, I know. 85. 85. 85. SB Shuffle. The works. I get it. He’s a fantastic player. I’d rather have Pep and I think Atkins could get more for me than Dent. Still, his accomplishments are impressive, and 85.
by Doshi on Aug 4, 2011 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Easier than I thought....
Sign: Richard Dent. The post states “each player in their prime” and Richard Dent in his prime is a pro-bowl, super bowl MVP, game changing machine of terror…and he is as much “Chicago” as Singletary or any other legendary Bear.
Trade: Julius Peppers. He, in his prime, probably would have commanded multiple first round picks. Even in his prime, the truth is that in Carolina he was not a 100% player…A guy that can command a premium but will never achieve his ultimate potential is excellent trade bait, IF you have to trade one of three potential Hall of Fame caliber players.
Release: Doug Atkins. I think, despite his amazing career, he is the least athletic, least quick, and least powerful of these three players in their primes. The “which generation they play in” question has to be irrelevant – we are comparing the three, so whether its all 3 in the 50’s, 80’s, or now, Atkins was (ironically, because he has the longest career and best achievements) the least athletic and thus enduring of the three. Its hard to compare players cross-generationally, and Atkins was a HoF player in his time, but he wasn’t the player Dent or Peppers are (he was in his time, but his prime vs. their prime in any measurable would go against him).
Love them all.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
by Brendan Hess on Aug 4, 2011 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
“least athletic, least quick, and least powerful” I dunno about that
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No kidding.....
Atkins is going to get the worst of this solely because most don’t realize what a monster he was.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched it...
and I didn’t see anything that made me think “against today’s top tackles, he would be just as good”. Its always an if, then, I guess, because its cross generational, but his pad level and first step in that video supports my position. He may have been the best in the 50’s and 60’s, but he did not show the first step, pad level, athleticism, or speed that we have seen from Ends since.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Nor was that trained back then.....
You are talking technique. Technique is generational, and honestly shouldn’t be part of the discussion. Because Peppers wouldn’t have been taught those techniques in the 50’s either.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Atkins was a monster in his generation
and if its a “in their time” discussion, he was better than Peppers too…but if its a “these three guys, in a vacuum” then he is the least quick, least athletic, least strong, least powerful, weakest technique player of the group. Not his fault at all. The training, time, dedication, technique, coaching, and complexity of the game was 60 years older…but it doesn’t change it either.
You think he’d be fine today? I disagree, but neither of us will ever know. Watch the tape again, respect his greatness, but look at his first step and then go watch modern pass rushers again…He might be stuck as a 3-4 end in today’s game, because his power was good…sadly Peppers and Dent were both power beasts too (as opposed to a Jarred Allen), so even that isn’t an edge.
If its pure ability, I take Peppers. If its ability and dedication, I take Dent. If its “within their time period” then I take Atkins.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Again, your looking at his first step but missing the fact that there is....
technique involved in that. It’s the argument that comes up every combine.
The question is, then, with modern training, what would he have looked like. He was that much of a beast without modern technical traing, what’s to say he wouldn’t have been able to learn those techniques were he to have played today?
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Atkins let over a blocker once (standing) to get a step
Neither of the other two were “athletic” enough to do that. Sign catkins hands down. Plus he was mean. Trade peppers release dent.
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by Steven Schweickert on Aug 5, 2011 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Guys are just so much faster and stronger nowadays than they were 50 years ago. Atkins was unquestionably a transcendent talent in his day, but I’m pretty skeptical that he’d be a special player in today’s day and age.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Atkins is....
actually one of the few linemen of past era’s that I would consider differently. He’s one of the few of his era with the physical ability to play today. but for the most part, I would agree with you.
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
people are not automobiles or technology they are flesh & bone
we haven’t evolved into fast stronger people if anything there are way more couch potatoes now than then. If Atkin had been born in 1980 he would have grown up to be faster stronger bigger because of all the better training methods and understanding of nutrician et. and he would have been as big a star now as he was then.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
or...
he wouldn’t have had the ability/drive/desire to play football that he did then, and would have manged a Sears. We cannot know what would be. I respect all Atkins did, and if the poll included a “in their time” isolation tank perspective, he’d be my guy…but if its a take a time machine and line them all up, he isn’t.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
work at Sears? are you insane? :o)
We had Sears way back then and even when the NFL was founded. Atkin played when there was little money to be had playing professionally why would he love the game any less today than then. Next your going to tell me Sampson was only strong for his day and today he would be the mail clerk at Sears.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Doug Atkin was Zeus not Jesus
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
lol
point being, you and I can’t isolate Atkins into today’s NFL. His frame might not have sustained year long football the way its done now. Maybe his interest would have been elsewhere. Maybe he would have been a “late bloomer” football wise, and because he wasn’t dominant in middle school and high school, never made division 1 in college, let alone the NFL…or maybe his parents, in a less localized world, would have taken work in Japan…. Its all silly, but that’s my point. You can’t just lift and shift a guy from the 50’s to now and assume he would grow up the same, have the same passion, play the same game, adapt to the difference, and become a modern day beast.
I’ll stand on my opinion and continue to love and respect the different view you and Tim bring to the table…Atkins was a beast in his day, and that’s all we can know for sure. He was not (then) as developed as modern athletes (now). Would he be if he lived in today’s era? Maybe, or maybe he would have done something else. That, neither of us can know.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Can't you use the same argument against Peppers & Dent
That without the modern technologies / equipment / supplements that they had / have afforded to them, they may not have been able to make it in Atkin’s NFL?
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Of course.
Who knows what Julius Peppers would have done in the 50s. That is my point. If you take them as they were in their prime, line them up (thus assuming a time machine) Peppers is the most physically and technique sounded of the three. If you put them back in their respective time periods, Atkins dominates his time period the most. Dent, I am personally attached to, and loved his love of the game most. So like I said (earlier)…all lined up, ability I take Pep, ability + dedication I take Dent, and in their own time period I take Atkins.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Incredibly interesting debate.
Which is why I left the parameters open for each to decide.
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yep
good stuff. All of them are multi-pro-bowl, multi-All Pro, HoF (or potential HoF), dominant DEs. They all, oddly enough, play similar (Bigger, stronger…none were pure speed guys, though they were not slow).
Their frames, builds, and approach are actually very similar too. I’d take any in their prime, nice line up.
"just as Gary Fencik will go down as the last person to catch a Joe Namath pass, Wootton will be remembered in NFL history as the last player to sack Brett Favre." - John "Moon" Mullin
Exactly.
This is the point I was trying to make above.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you just don't get it. things change people don't
besides this is turning into that Three Stogies skit where the two old guys are arguing “Enviroment” and “Heredity” and it all ends in a big pie fight.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Key lime for me!
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I only have one good eye so stop moving around so much
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
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will be if Tim will stand still for a few seconds
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
sign Atkin, trade Dent and release Peppers
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
link fail
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80747cb5/Top-Ten-Pass-Rushers-Doug-Atkins
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Sign Dent, Trade Peppers, Release Atkin
Richard Dent is my all time favorite player, so that’s a gimmie. I think Peppers is the most talented defensive player of the last decade, so he comes in second. After that, release Atkin, but probably resign him to a cheaper contract. ;)
Hmm...
Bart Starr, Lynn Dickey, Don Majkowski, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers would say:
Trade them all.
by Dane Noble on Aug 4, 2011 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
lol, this↑
Fabulous! Rec’d
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Aug 4, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
Sign: Dent
Sign: Peppers
Sign: Atkin
Screw the rules.
Screw the rules
We got money
"I see PRIDE, I see POWER, I see a BADASS MOTHA WHO WON'T TAKE NO CRAP OFF NOBODY!"
Sign Atkins The man was prolific, he played hard,and his stats are amazing.
Trade Dent In his prime he got all kinds of hype to increase his trade value. He was awesome but he also had one hell of a supporting cast.
Release Peppers. Dude is very very good. But I think people tend to glorify players they’ve actually seen. History hasn’t been made on Peppers yet.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
by Just Dave on Aug 4, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I've seen them all play, they are all great
It’s a shame they didn’t keep sack totals back then, Adkins had a lot of multiple sack games.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
atkins
did atkins come from the time when, a player had to play both sides of the football.? for any nubes this meant offense, defense and special teams.
He played with Stan Jones who did as late as 1962
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Too hard
my soul hurts deciding this.
Sign Atkins, Trade Dent, Cut Peppers
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hmmmm
in their prime was key for me
Doug Atkins played… the game is alot faster and players are alot faster than when …He gets released… plus his peers didnt think much of him 16 years 8 pro bowls? he could only play in his time
Richard Dent gets traded… we would be able to fill two needs trading a big name like richard dent plus i always wonder how his career would have been without the dominant defense he played with. he could play in his time and doug atkins time
Julius Peppers- 6-7 almost 300 lbs and he runs like a linebacker, strong like a defensive tackle… long he is the size of most lineman but quicker… id sign that guy he could have played in any time period
I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Aug 6, 2011 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
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