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Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down: Week 3, Packers Edition

  • No sense in avoiding the big ol' elephant standing on the living room table - Martz's playcalling. Last week, we remember there were 7 rushes in the first quarter and 5 the rest of the game. This week, there were only 11 rushes total: 4 in the first, 2 in the second, 3 in the third, 2 in the fourth. My complaint last week was that they were too bunched up and abandoned too quickly - this week, just not a lot one can do. One problem is the total number of plays run (52 only - the Packers had 67), but the other problem is the effectiveness. It's a conundrum - you want to do what works, but at the same time you want to try to keep balance so the opponent can't key in on one area. 13 yards total in the rushing game doesn't get it done, and we know the Bears aren't yet good enough to win with one tool. The runs just have to be better in order for the offense to be better. Execution is the team's biggest problem - not playcalling.
  • Welcome back, Roy Williams - you were the target on both interceptions and dropped a third pass for what would have been a sure touchdown.
  • That being said, however, the two interceptions were on Jay. The first one, Cutler tried throwing too much to the inside of Williams, where Burnett was able to just slide over and field it easily. The second one, Cutler tried to make something out of nothing and just winged it into coverage. Not to pound the "almost-interception" drum (I hate that crap as much as anyone), but Cutler also had a couple throws bounce off Packer defenders, including one intended for Sanzenbacher on the slant-cutback-out thrown so far behind the target it hit the trailing Packer defender in the stomach. Cutler was off target for a good portion of the day.
  • Looks like Dane Sanzenbacher is becoming Cutler's red-zone weapon of choice. Which is really a pretty heavy indictment on Roy Williams, if you think about it. Williams did not have a good game. The Immortal Sanzenbacher now leads the Bears with two touchdowns.

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  • I think Johnny Knox just dropped another pass that hit him in the numbers. At least he went up for a ball!
  • I'm not sure how the refs justify Woodson throwing a shoulder into Hester's route running, and I'm not sure how the Hester personal foul wasn't at the minimum offsetting with Sam Shields. Woodson was turned the wrong way, sure, but if a takedown by an offensive lineman is a holding call, a takedown by a defensive back, however "unintentional" it may be, is pass interference. And Shields was all over Hester as much as Hester was all over Shields; that should have been an offset-and-move-on.
  • The refs made the right call on the fumble recovery to not overturn it... I couldn't figure out if Peppers had slid out by the time he had control of the ball, and I don't think the refs had enough to say he was already out of bounds. He could have, he might have, but I can't say with certainty that he did or not.
  • Speaking of adventures in refereeing... Where exactly was the penalty on Graham, and how did it impact any of Knox's untouched touchdown return?
  • I feel like Kellen Davis might have been able to do more damage this game than just his one touchdown catch. Sure, it was in the fourth quarter and the Packers had decided the middle of the field didn't matter, but he shook three tackles to lumber into the end zone. He had one other target all game.
  • Once again, time of possession was a killer. Green Bay, 37:29. Chicago, 22:31. It's a problem when you aren't sustaining drives, which goes back to execution - first downs, manageable down and distance, et cetera. A lot of issues can be solved by having second and five or third and five instead of second and ten or third and fifteen.
  • I'm pretty sure the Bears lead the league in "Penalties After Big First Down Plays or Turnovers." Frank Omiyale got out of bed before this posted and was hit with another false start penalty.
  • So three games in and our second round pick hasn't seen the field. It didn't matter yesterday, but is anyone else concerned?
  • Peppers was a mixed bag yesterday - too many offsides/NZI penalties and not enough big plays.
  • Jermichael Finley just scored another touchdown. The Bears can start covering him any time they like, please.
  • We know this, but the Packers have hell of good receivers and hell of good protection. Tillman matched up for Jennings in the fourth quarter for six seconds, had him covered perfectly, then Jennings broke free to the outside and Rodgers hit him perfectly for a first down. Nothing Tillman could do.
  • The Bears really didn't have much in the way of penetration, and when they did, Rodgers rolled out, extended the play and unloaded the ball just about perfectly - although a good receiver like Jennings can make even slightly bad throws look decent. Yesterday, Cutler looked almost too intent on standing in the pocket to make a throw, and the receivers just aren't good enough to help him when he needs it the most.
  • Clutts had a pretty bad drop, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see him really used since. Can someone confirm he was not rushed off the field in a van with dark-tinted windows?
  • The Bears just kept putting themselves into second and long and third and long situations all game long. I don't understand Jay's throwing to a covered Hester for ten yards on 3rd and 16, nor the incomplete short throw to Kellen Davis on 3rd and 19 in the third, nor the short throw to Forte for 9 on 3rd and 16, nor the short throw to Forte on 3rd and 33 for 7 yards... Should we just assume at this point that, in a downfield passing offense, on 3rd and more-than-10 the Bears will concede to punt? I know you're not converting 3rd and 33, but where I come from, you don't depend on YAC on a covered receiver to get the first.
  • Too much Steltz. Meriweather wasn't horrible, but not really spectacular either.
  • The worst-case scenario happened yesterday as the Lions beat the Vikings, so the Bears sit two games behind the leaders at 1-2. Nothing to panic about yet, but the play must improve, starting with getting a few more yards on runs. 

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Considering this guy was supposed to be first round material AND the Bears moved UP in the draft for him
So three games in and our second round pick hasn’t seen the field. It didn’t matter yesterday, but is anyone else concerned?

I’m a little nervous about him. In the pre-season he looked VERY small for an NFL dlinemen..Hell, he looked small for a linebacker.

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by suckmyditka on Sep 26, 2011 7:26 AM CDT reply actions  

He (Meriweather) had a couple really nice break-ups
Too much Steltz. Meriweather wasn’t horrible, but not really spectacular either.

Hopefully he gets the Nod to start next to Hitman, and it’s not Steltz.. Steltz is just…not good.

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by suckmyditka on Sep 26, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was not even something of an issue. We had no pressure up-front, everything else is irrelevant.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thor seemed out of place on the third Finley TD.

And, well, generally out of place. He’s just not a starter.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't an issue?

He was constantly letting Finley run free through the secondary.

It was a HUGE issue.

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by suckmyditka on Sep 26, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The issue was the yardage they where giving up, Thor was just one of the problems.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't the word "issue" just a synonym of "problem"

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by suckmyditka on Sep 26, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not when your most recent issue of Plumbing Weekly magazine is issued today, it isn’t.

When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.

by Spongie on Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

They can be but

Having to service my wife is an issue but not a problem. Getting my self serviced when my wife isn’t in the mood is a problem.

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by HighTops on Sep 27, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a little nervous about him? He sucks.

That pick should’ve been used on O-line or WR

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by SackMan on Sep 26, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hell no , we need more like him.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya, let's label a guy as terrible 3 games into his rookie season. That's pretty logical.

especially taking the shortened offseason into account

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Umm,he’s been here for a while.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stephen Paea has?

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by suckmyditka on Sep 26, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steltz?

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reply was to Indy.

Methinks he’s thinking Conte. We’re talking Steltz.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everybody talks, looks like nobody is listening so far, sounds like we are at the bar. LOL

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

whoops, sorry

I thought he was replying to the first comment up there about Paea (my phone is bad about showing replies). But yes I agree, Steltz sucks (sorry Dane)

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 8:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

...Actually, YOU'RE right, and I'm the idiot.

Yeah, you were replying to a Paea comment.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sackman was replying to the Paea comment

transbear is just very bad with replies.

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by SaintCee on Sep 26, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude...

He’s a 2nd round pick and inactive so as far as I’m concerned he is a bust a should not have been drafted. He should have been another O-lineman or WR. Period.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t given them ideas. I’m not sure he’d be any better at getting separation than our current WRs.

When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.

by Spongie on Sep 26, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am going to repeat this until someone from the Bears FO is going to listen, FIRE MARTZ!!!

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 7:29 AM CDT reply actions  

As much as I like that idea, I doubt it would happen because

Everyone from Jerry down to Tice will will see their contract expire following the end of next season. I don’t see anybody short of a position coach not named Mike Tice being fired that close to the end of their contract given last seasons success

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 7:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cutler is a mobile QB, and Martz doesn’t do that, THEY DO NOT FIT TOGETHER.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 7:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Evidently neither do you and the "reply" button

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by suckmyditka on Sep 26, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t replying to you, just a thought. Calm down, find something to do.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Bears biggest problems...

are because they have drafted so badly that most of the roster are guys who need to develop skills they currently lack. This might be fine if they were back-ups or if it were one or two guys, but the Bears have about 6 guys on offense that are not true starters in anything other than name. On defense, there are probably 3-4 guys who would not start on many other teams. That’s just too many to allow any one of them to develop. The Bears went all in to get Peppers and Cutler, but then failed to get quality FAs (e.g. WR and G) to give them time to develop their young talent. Thus, the Bears are starting guys who simply haven’t gained the fundamental skills necessary to be effective in any consistent manner.
Knox is not a bad WR, though he plays that way sometimes, he’s just not consistent and has bad ball skills. Others, like Steltz, are just not very good at their position and no amount of coaching will fix that. This, IMO, falls squarely on the position coaches like Hoke and Drake and Tice. It’s one thing to say they don’t have much to work with, but their guys are breaking down fundamentally, and that is on the coaches.
Lastly, the Bears are just a disorganized mess in need of the direction of a solid leader. I do not believe Lovie can be that guy to take hold of this team and will them to play better. I expect an up and down season ending in 9-7 or 8-8 and missing the playoffs. On offense the Bears seem to be lucky when a play works, not deliberate and successful. On defense, they always seem like they are playing with 10 players and overcoming huge disadvantages to just make a tackle. This Bears team could be playoff caliber simply because of the defense, but it’s up to Lovie to pull this trainwreck of a team together and play with intent and focus. Otherwise, the Lovie era needs to come to a close.

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by LostInSTL on Sep 26, 2011 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm somewhat encouraged by this game.

Bears played like crap but still hung in there all game.

My wife watched this game with me and upon hearing his name when scoring a TD she asked, “Jermichael? Were his parents fans of the Jackson Five and couldn’t decide between Jermaine or Michael so made one name?”

by Arbusto on Sep 26, 2011 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

A couple thoughts regarding the receiving corps.....

First of, if it wasn’t clear before these past two games it should be very clear now that we need a legitamite #1 receiver. I don’t care what BS Jerry or Martz try to sell us, every offense needs a go to receiver that can be counted on to make a play at critical times in the game if that offense is to be any better than average. Johnny Knox is NOT a #1 and IMO will never be a #1 (sorry SMD). Roy Williams has shown the ability to get open, but doesn’t seem to have the connection with Cutty just yet.

While we’re on the suject of Roy Williams I think that more credit should be given to the defensive back for the hit the criticism to Roy on the dropped TD.

Thirdly, is anybody else? begining to look to Daryl Drake as part of the problem with the receiving corps?

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 7:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes I think he is. He is quick to defend them but they just prove him wrong each time.

Cutler has never really been a Drew Brees-type accurate QB. But he excelled when he had a playmaking receiver. To me it isn’t even because he needs a big target. He needs a guy that is going to want the ball in those critical moments and will make a play on it no matter what. That’s why smaller guys like Smith, Holmes and Jennings are #1 receivers.

by frenchbears113 on Sep 26, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Drake

I’ve been suspecting him for a while, I was surprised he survived the purge of aught-nine. Still think we can do better. Even if the receivers like him they don’t play well for him. We’re past the point of “Hester’s a project” and “Knox is inexperienced” as excuses.

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by SaintCee on Sep 26, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like Drake has been handed a bunch of great WR to work with...

Those two guys were projects. Sometimes, projects don’t work out. Drake may be terrible, too, but guys like Knox (undersized bad route runner with bad hands) and Hester (bad route runner, bad hands) are can’t miss guys who Drake screwed up.

by SouthernCub on Sep 26, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

but at some point, the results have to matter. There is a difference between manslaughter and murder, just not to the victim!

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by LostInSTL on Sep 26, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

WR

Wide receiver (and tight end) is the biggest difference between the Packers and Bears. The top Bears receiver would be the fifth Packers receiver at best, and that’s only because Donald Driver looks like he’s finally feeling his age. I might even take Gurley off our practice squad before any Bear receiver.

The next biggest gap is at QB. Cutler piles up numbers nearly equal to Rodgers, but there’s no question who the elite guy is. Hell, even the President wants to trade for Rodgers.

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by Packer Pete on Sep 26, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what happens when you have a offensive minded coach

who uses his talent effectively and schemes and gameplans with the strengths and weaknesses, not one that ramrods players into a system that they may not fit into

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya, I've have been pretty adament about staying away from the Mike Martz lynch mob up to now

however, I’m really starting to lose faith in him and his offense

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 8:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He wasn’t dumped for no reason previously, I’m just sayin’.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw Kellen's first target, it bounced off his chest, probably why he only had the one other

The receiver’s weren’t getting open past or near the first down marker when we were long. It was either take the underneath route and hope something broke or chuck it away. I’ll take the extra 8 yards of field position.

Jay wasn’t on target a good part of the day and with our receivers that means no catch. Rodgers has misses too but his receivers are good enough to help him out.

Running plays through the middle are currently the bane of the team. Offense can’t get anything with them and defense can’t stop them. Offensive problems are expected, our O-line’s not good. Our D-line is supposed to be good and our D as a whole has usually played the run really well. No idea what’s going on there, not when Ryan Grant can run on you.

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by SaintCee on Sep 26, 2011 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Urlacher seemed out of position

on several Ryan Grant runs. Maybe he was doing what he was supposed to do – I don’t know – but he’d go one way, Grant would go the other, and the middle of the field was wide open.

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by Gromowicz on Sep 26, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steltz is not a starting safety

I’m not sure if he’s a capable backup. Where’s DMS when you need him? Another oversight by management which always comes back to haunt them.

Why shouldn’t Cutler get the benefit of the doubt even though he received great protection much of the day? Bad, bad mistake that only young, inexperienced QBs should make.

Knox complaining of PI on final play? It was great coverage, you should’ve caught the ball, but you’re not strong enough.

Forte didn’t receive one screen pass. Well, maybe one but that’s ridiculous.

Angelo and Ruskell need to be fired. Same mistakes over and over again.

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by propheteer on Sep 26, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm usually one of the first defending a Jay INT...

But there really was no defense for either of those. Just a misplaced throw and the second one he probably should have held on to.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Throwing to your #1 receiver whose defended one-on-one wasn't the problem.

The problem was that Jay pumped to Williams, instead of the other side. He didn’t fake or freeze the safety, and looked at Williams the whole time.

If he freezes the safety, he gets away with throwing the high bomb and letting Williams run under and fight for the ball. Maybe Jay spent so much time trying to master Martz’s complicated offense, that he forgot some of his basic quarterback skills.

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by HighTops on Sep 26, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you notice that there haven't been many comments about a QB making his WR's better

the way Jerry’s famous press conference went prior to bringing in Cutler? Also, those were the comments a lot of people were trying to use when describing Jay when he was coming over. I never believed that statement, nor do I believe that it’s totally the opposite, but apparently WR’s who can go up and get it can sure make a QB’s numbers look better and they’re “accuracy” isn’t questioned as much.

by BearFan611 on Sep 26, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watched Drew Brees throw behind his receivers intentionally in the last 2 games

They go and get it. Our guys – not so much.

I would say that Jay needs to hit them on the numbers, but that doesn’t seem to help either. When Knox got hit square in the face, while wide open, and dropped the pass, I lost nearly all the respect he had earned with me, sad.

And

Where’s DMS when you need him?

He’s in Houston, returning interceptions for touchdowns.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same here...

I remember telling myself… “Knox is the only WR today that can catch the ball today” after a couple good catches he made and then he dropped that ball that hit his facemask…I then shook my head and realized it was too good to be true…

by Rampage997 on Sep 26, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, he's returning INTs for TDs

Still making dumb mistakes, and hasn’t helped a terrible defense become any better. Oh, have you seen him whiffing on tackles?

by Midway Bully on Sep 26, 2011 11:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's a big shit sandwich...

and everyone has got to take a bite. Ugh…

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by propheteer on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jay Cutler doesn't seem accurate

Because when in a style of offense where its all on the WRs getting where they are supposed to don’t, then it makes the QB look bad where he is asked to throw into a certain spot on the field.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes but he also needs to play smarter my man. If he hasn't realized by now that his receivers aren't the go-up-and-get-it types, he never will.

Bro I support Cutler as much as you do but Jay needs to play smarter. He started off the season very well but he has seemingly reverted back to his happy feet. What I do find comforting is that he is frustrated. That shows that at least he knows he’s not playing well and that the offense isn’t helping. Last season he rarely showed any frustration or annoyance and he has this season. Hopefully he picks himself back up and plays well but in order to do that he has to do his part and execute better.

by frenchbears113 on Sep 26, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also needs to gain his confidence back

When he starts saying that we are 0-2 thanks to a lack of balanced playcalling by Martz, then my friend we have issues.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

but you’re not strong enough.

Didn’t he claim to be the gym rat and bulk up 10 pounds? Obviously that hasn’t helped yet…

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is NOT
Steltz is not a starting safety

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our GM goes out and trades for big armed QB

And then doesn’t give the guy ANYONE to throw the ball to… or ANYONE to create a pocket for him. It’s a passing league, and the Bears have no clue how to build an offense.

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by SackMan on Sep 26, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

That’s obvious so far. You’re right about that.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most of the time

but he had plenty of pocket yesterday and missed on several passes which would’ve been big plays.

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by propheteer on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plenty of pocket...

When they’re dropping 8.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Sep 26, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that the rub...

The Packers have proven that if you play coverage and attempt to put pressure with minimal blitzing the Bears will fail to move the ball and cough up INTs. The Saints proved that if you send everyone and blitz a ton the Bears will give up sacks and fail to move the football. Effectively you can beat the Bears by blitzing them a lot or a little!

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by LostInSTL on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what you're saying is

that no matter if they blitz or sit back in coverage they’ll stop the Bears offense?

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by propheteer on Sep 26, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

It’s a win-win…or lose-lose depending on your perspective.

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by LostInSTL on Sep 27, 2011 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still

His WRs were open for big plays; doesn’t matter who or who isn’t in coverage.

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by propheteer on Sep 26, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

the Bears have no clue how to build an offense.

That’s something this franchise has never really known.

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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 26, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aside from

“Let Gale run”
“Let Walter run”
“Let Anderson run”
“Let Salaam fumble”

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same problems, different season

Receivers can’t catch or don’t want to fight for the ball…

Cutlers throws are off target…

O-line not protecting (BUT they did do a better job this week)…

Play calling??? Did we lose the bus we used to “get off running?”

Inability to adjust in-game…

Relying on defense to win the ballgame…

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by lastof12 on Sep 26, 2011 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I watched the Bears game with some Detroit Lions fans

Seems like they had forgotten all about Martz and Roy Williams, but after watching the game, they were like “Oh, yeah, that’s why we got rid of those guys.”

It’s not a good day to be a Bears fan when Detroit fans are feeling bad for you.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Sep 26, 2011 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

San Francisco gave up quickly on Martz.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Williams played decent

he ran good routes and got open on a couple different occasions, Cut just missed him bad. And I have a hard time blaming him to much on the dropped TD. Ya, he shoulda held onto it but to e fair it was a perfectly timed hit and a great play by the DB. I think that hit comes half a second later and Roy has a chance to control the ball he holds on

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 9:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I listened to what Jay Cutler said when speaking about Roy Williams

He backed him up saying that a lack of practice coupled with coming of a groin injury can effect a player’s performance.

But, that is not to say we shouldn’t bitch at REW as well. He had a would be TD on a slant, only to drop the ball. He ran the wrong route and/or didn’t adjust to the ball on the fly on both ints. The least he could have done is charged at the ball and make sure it doesn’t get in the hands or Morgan Burnett.

By gones be by gones, but damn all our WRs need to step up. REW is no exception.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bro as much as I defend Cutler and will do so until he proves me wrong consistently lol, bot INT's were on Jay.

Williams ran the proper routes but Jay threw to the wrong shoulder on the first one and just plain overthrew Williams on the 2nd one.

by frenchbears113 on Sep 26, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will admit

Jay should have thrown better passes. On the first int if he just had a little more air on the ball, Roy Williams was wide open.

But just to see another WR just watch as a ball gets cleanly picked off really irritates me. Ugh, I hate it when the Packers win at Chicago >:(

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

So do I, bad bad day man.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

it didn't really seem to me that there was a whole lot Roy coulda done to defend those INT's especially the 2nd one

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 9:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I understand your frustration but you can't blame every interception on the intended receiver.

Should Finley have been blamed for Urlacher’s pick or, because it was our guy who made the play, that doesn’t count? It was a bad read by Rodgers and a heck of catch by Urlacher. I’ve never been a big Roy Williams fan but there is not way those picks were his fault nor could he have done anything to prevent them.

I will say his dropped TD was entirely his fault. The replay showed the ball bounced away prior to the DB hitting him. Just like Knox’s big drop was his fault because you could see he turned his head slighttly to start running before he caught it. Those were both big plays but, personally, I can live with physical errors (within reason) because they happen to everyone. It’s the mental errors that drive me up the wall. Repeated false starts on the o-line in your own stadium when you know the snap count are inexcusable. Interior d-linemen jumping offsides when the ball is right in front of them is just stupid. Hester taking a punch at a guy when the ref is standing between them was just plain dumb.

by BearFan611 on Sep 26, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit to feeling unnerved when I read something from you that doesn’t include talk of how you “feel” great things will come from our mediocre players…

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by Spongie on Sep 26, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something to think about regarding Paea...

I seem to remember another guy that fans cried bust over when he didn’t appear in a single game his rookie year. He eventually developed into the teams best WR

Also, if you remember before he was drafted Paea was considered a project because of his lack of football experience and his small arsenal of pass rushing moves. It was the hype generated by his bench press record, and his tremendous upside that overshadowed this.

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 8:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Not crying about it, and you're correct on Bennett.

But the redshirt for a receiver and a redshirt for a defensive tackle are different things, and you’d at least think he’d’ve seen rotational duty.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya, I know. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

I just think its way to early to start labelling the guy a bust. If this time next year he’s not seeing the field then ya, but not this early

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 8:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's not a bust.

But for a second round pick to be inactive (not IR’d) the first three games, meh, there’s a small alarm bell ringing.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'd've

How the hell did you make that work haha? Funny thing is, I didn’t even do a double take when I saw that, I just read it normally.

by Midway Bully on Sep 26, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not about Paea

It’s about Priority. Taking a flier on a 2nd round DT in ayear where WR and O-line is our biggest needs is everything that is wrong with JA. This is the same guy that drafted Bauzin and gave away a 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams. It’s ridiculous. He then goes and signs a 24 year old in Okoye who’ll probably be better anyway.

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

So he's a bust because the pick should have been spent elsewhere?

Does not compute.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

What I'm saying is...

Who cares?? He’s not playing so in terms of 2011 yes he’s a bust. This isn’t the University on Illionis. It’s the Chicago Bears and you don’t go blowing 2nd round picks to redshirt guys. Screw Stephen Paea. he wasn’t a need position for 2011.

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who's to say that even if the pick was used on a O-Lineman he would be an upgrade or even get on the field? What if Paea explodes next year with 13 sacks?

we could sit here and play the what if game all day and not get anywhere

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 9:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Look

The priorities going forward need to be giving our franchise QB the tools to be successful. Nothing more nothing less. Enough with the 2nd round DT projects. All I know is that guy isn’t on the field and an undrafted rookie WR leads our team in TDs. We got more problems then worrying about to success of Stephen Paea.

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

This/\

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree that perhaps a defensive tackle was a misappropriated pick.

But a misappropriated pick should not stick the “bust” label on a player.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

...Andwaitasecond...

Wasn’t the draft done before Okoye was even available? Back when DT actually was a need?

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

And when Adams was a free agent

and Melton was a major question mark at DT

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

DT was never more of a need than OT and WR

Why isn’t he on the roster? It isn’t ok. It’s the reason we’re a 1-2 team right now is because of failures on picks like that.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stop with the logic.

I can’t believe this is even an argument. Hen Mel, Adams and Toeina are doing fine, would you rather they play Paea and lose snaps for the other guys?

Question in general not directed at you SJS.

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by Ditkavsworld on Sep 26, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well you're kinda answering your own question

Adams, Toeina, and Melton were already on this team so what was the point on drafting a DT in the second round in the first place if we’re so stout at DT now? And that’s before the Okoye signing. So wouldn’t the 35th pick in the draft be better served filling a more important need on the team then to take a flier on a guy that can’t beat out Adams??

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya, and I probably should have made studying a higher priority in high school than smoking pot and cutting class, but I didnt...

Hindsight is 20/20 and complaining about the past wont get you anywhere.

I dont think that anyone is disagreeing that WR and O-line should have been higher priorities. But like I said before Paea was the pick, and you whining about it and spewing your illogical meatball crap isn’t gonna help the team magically go back and change the pick.

And another thing, at the time of the draft AA was a free agent, Okoye wasn’t a free agent, Toe was only an adequate rotational man and the coaches didnt know what to expect out of Melton.

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

"illogical meatball crap" Really? Wow checkout the football elitist over here.

This isn’t hindsight 20/20. It’s looking at the drafting pattern of a GM over the last 10 years and commenting as a fan and an observant. The only meatball thing to do is to continue excusing those same repeated the decisions in the first place. No ones whining…you didn’t have to read or respond.

Another thing genius, Melton was already very much in the plans seeing that they told him to gain weight to be the 3 technique in the first place. Adams was a FA with not too many other takers, and Toeina wasn’t going anywhere anyway. Also if Marcus Harrison came to camp in shape (Since they had no way of knowing his conditioning before hand given the lockout) that would have made that pick even more curious to begin with. Also I’m pretty sure there are plenty of people over both of our pay grades to decide who the eventual FA DTs would be and who would be available to sign before taking a shot at yet another DT project in the 2nd round.

So my point before and now is that it’s not about Paea, or whining, or being a meatball, it’s about the larger picture of JA and the front office priorities about what’s needed for a team going into given draft. A redshirted Paea is just the latest example of a JA miscue and lack of being able to draft for offensive need. He’s been that way since his days in Tampa. Yeah maybe you should have laid off the weed.

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, labeling a guy a bust after 3 games is illogical and meatballish IMO

And like I said I agree with you.

-Yes, Jerry should have gone O-Line or Wr
-Yes, Jerry does have a terrible draft track record when it comes to offensive needs
-No, I am not trying to excuse Jerry’s decision

All Im saying is that it is way to early to in his career to label Paea as a bust and that your argument is dumb.

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure labeling anyone a bust after three games is foolish

Labeling a 2nd rouder who isn’t even good enough to play in those 3 games because he can’t make the gameday roster and then attributing that to a pattern of other highly drafted players who didn’t pan out (Bauzin, Okwo, Harrison, etc) is downright making some common sense. But what do I know, I’m a meatball:-) We’ll just agree to disagree.

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Adams was not on the team

It was only Toeina and Melton at DT, oh and the immortal Tank Tyler. Toe is solid rotational depth and Melton was a huge question mark, we had no idea if Melton would be good or not…it was a need pick at the time since no team goes into a season with 2 DT’s

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adams was at the time of the draft a free agent,

which we were not sure would be re-signed.

(/clarity)

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Melton was already in the plans

I don’t understand how he wasn’t suppose to be when all off season we heard about how high they were on him. Marcus Harrison was another high pick that they had hopes for as well. yes Adams was a FA but it was more of a question of if the Bears wanted him back, not the Bears losing him to another team because he was such a hot commodity. He probably wouldn’t even be here if Paea was playing well.

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear you.

The only reason I brought it up is just because he’s been inactive, not because I think he was a bust or anything like that. I didn’t have any real issue with his being drafted.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, but...

what happened happened and whinning about isn’t gonna change the pick. We got Paea so the only thing we can do is focus on the guy we got, not on who we could have gotten

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 9:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hear you but

we can focus on that pick because that pick is part of a pattern that is the reason Jay Cutler is throwing to midgets in the first place and the reason our O-line is what it is. Stephen Paea wasn’t a 5th round flyier. He was the 35th overall pick taken.

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by Dils on Sep 26, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

At the time he was a need

DT was alarmingly shallow at the time.

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by propheteer on Sep 26, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the second straight week against a good DC

The offense led by Mike Martz failed. Completely.

They had a handfull of opportunities to come back and win the game. But poor discipline by the WRs and a failure/reluctance to adjust costed us what would have been a much needed and important win over a division foe. Jay Cutler once again did all he could, just received very little help from his WRs. People wonder why Cutler didn’t roll out? Because when Mike Martz calls a play, he expects his personel to execute it like they do in practice. Cutler is not allowed to call audibles, not allowed to make pre-snap adjustments, or really even roll out unless the O-line fails. He is bound to staying in the pocket and waiting for his WRs to get where they are supposed to be. And through two games against playoff caliber teams, this offense just does not work as it.

Meanwhile, Craig Steltz has proved once again he does not deserve to start at Safety. Brandon Meriweather did good once again, making some rather nice plays preventing long completions every time he was within range of the ball. Steltz…just no. Can we please have Hitman back healthy sometime soon!?

Ultimately, I feel this was another team loss where Mike Martz deserves most of the blame, but I also want to appologize in being the total meatball when speaking about Martz. I am just done with him having piss poor games against the Green Bay Packers. I as a Bears fan am done seeing Green Bay prove to the media just how good they are on paper, and how much we “suck” on paper. When the Packers come to our house and embaress us like that, well it does not sit well with me at all.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Eric, your observations are spot on as usual.

I would add that Jay did not have a very good game. He sailed numerous passes to open receivers. But mostly, they entire team did not look confident or comfortable. Kinda like a kid going to the flagpole to meet the bully after school.

We played 2 really good teams, and the exposed our squad for being what they are.

We are not a bad team. We executed poorly, had lots of injuries, and are VERY predictable on offense. Perhaps if our team didn’t make it so easy on their opponents, we might have a better outcome.

No one plays Chicago and doesn’t know what we’ll try to do. Our offensive Line is thin, our defense does not even try to disguise their scheme, no it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jay also was under pressure a lot during the game

Not a lot more he could have done if he can’t step up in the pocket.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

But the issue is that he had a clean pocket most of the game. Jay was jumpy and skittish all game even before he got hit.

My issue with him yesterday was that he was too up and down. After both INT’s he came back with TD’s. But there were also way too many overthrown balls. I get that he doesn’t want to get hit but he needs to step into the pocket and make those throws. That’s what the best QB’s do. I hate to sound like a jerk because I have no idea what it’s like to get brutalized by 300 pound men but he needs to man up and stop playing scared.

by frenchbears113 on Sep 26, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could he help it though when the O-line before him led the league in sacks prior to KO?

This was a D where he got injured due to poor play on the O-line last year. And having very little support from the OC in terms of being balanced can have an effect on a QB’s demenor/confidence.

He was skiddish, but well not to make excuses he had every reason to be concerned when dropping back to pass.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a viscious cycle

Jay’s memory of getting hit and the sight of receivers dropping passes makes Jay skittish and less confident, causing his passes to be inaccurate, which takes away the receivers’ confidence, they don’t get open, so Jay has to hold onto the ball longer, which causes the o-line to lose their blocks, etc.

If it was just one thing the Bears had to change to get back on track I wouldn’t feel so bad, but there are several glaring issues popping up in tandem right now.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Sep 26, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Timing and decision making probably but I don't know about skittish

In the 2nd red zone series from the 7, San’s came out behind the defense line and was open from the 5 until the goal line but Jay continued dropping back. The defensive backs were all in the endzone, and as soon a San’s got to the one Jay tried to force a ball into him which almost was intercepted.

On the first interception, we only sent out two wides and Forte came out and cut to the sideline after Williams got up field. Jay pumped to Williams and never looked to the left until he threw the pass. He made no attempt to look off the safety, and because Forte who was defended by a LBer didn’t go straight up the middle, the Safety was free to double on Williams.

Our defense was giving GB a lot of short open looks, and GB did the same. The difference was that Rogers was willing to take the short gain and move the ball. We seem to forget about the 4-8 yd pass and continue to go for the 25+ gain. Ergo the high number of 3 & outs.

I think Jay has bought into Martz’s scheme too much. Martz is going to run his plays even if the players are ready because their too sophisticated. Jay’s going for the big gain even if that’s not what the defense is giving him.

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by HighTops on Sep 27, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't completely agree

while the pass protection wasn’t perfect, Jay had time to make plays and he did step up in the pocket. There just weren’t any receivers open cause the Packers would drop their guys deep and only give up the underneath throws.

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by DutchBear on Sep 26, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I mean the O-line certainly played better this week in pass pro

But damn, why didn’t Martz call plays that would have taken advantage of all the space in front of the defenders? I don’t recall too many slants or screens used. He (Martz) wanted Cutler to go deep as often as possible.

Adaptation is Martz’s weakspot as of right now.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

My issue with Martz was the lack of running. I understand it wasn't working but that doesn't mean you abandon it all together.

There were at least 10 run plays that went for 0 when the Pack was running it but that didn’t stop them. Sometimes you need to run the ball to change it up and it really does keep defenses honest. The Pack kept dropping back because they knew it was a pass play. Martz is at fault but is not the biggest reason we lost yesterday. It was piss-poor execution by the entire offense.

by frenchbears113 on Sep 26, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It doesn’t help Jay Cutler one bit when he knows the D knows they will be passing the ball virtually on every down.

That is how we beat GB last year, we made a commitment to running the football. Martz tried to throw it all the time and look what happened.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree about Martz...

and I was not and am still not a fan of him being the Bears OC. He’s a bad fit for the current personnel. However, play calling was not the issue yesterday. Play calling did not make the o-line suck at run blocking. Play calling didn’t make Knox drop 5 of the 9 passes thrown his way. Play calling did not make Cutler overthrow WRs for INTs twice yesterday. The Bears problems are fundamental skill and ability. The design of the plays yesterday put many WRs in a position to make first downs and even a few TDs. The problem is the players did not execute. PLain and simple. You can say it’s his ultimate responsibility, but, IMO, Drake and Tice are not getting the results they need to out of their players. The players are fundamentally unsound and inconsistent, which falls to the position coaches to correct. In the end, this is on Lovie to fix. He IS the HC and needs to start demanding more than just accountability, but actual results.

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by LostInSTL on Sep 26, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just get rid of Martz please, pretty please.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

That bandwagon's got no wheels my friend

Switch out of this system mid-season would be suicide. This would not happen unless all is lost for the season. We’re only 3 games in, and have lots of time to fix our mistakes – both in execution and playcalling.

Mad Mike isn’t going anywhere this season, unless we are like 1-7

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

What we should do

Is give the play book to someone else, perhaps Mike Tice, and let him call the plays. Or at the very least, allow Mike Tice to have some say in the offensive game plan.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would expect that the entire Offensive Coaching staff has input.

This is still a team sport, and would think that would apply yo the coaches as well.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not with Mike Martz on board does anyone else have a say

Otherwise something would have been done to mask the deficiancies on offense.

He has had a reputation of being very uncooperative with the rest of his coaching staff in terms of letting them have a say in his offense. As as of this very moment, I don’t see anything that would suggest otherwise.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right on Erik, and that’s why he got fired a few times.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know this is actually half teasing half serious, if I don’t know this by now I’m hopeless, but that’s not the point right now. They need to do something with the offense , don’t know what, but here’s for hope.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

wait till his contract is up if we don't make the playoffs

I’m losing faith fast in his offense

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd feel bad for Cutler if he had to change o-coordinators again next year

but then again, he’d have a better chance of surviving the season with any coach other than Martz.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Sep 26, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Sky Ain't Fallin'

Chicken little can go on back home.

We lost 2 games to superior opponents. They just played better, period. They have superior talent, were better prepared and executed. We got beat – plain and simple.

This does not mean our squad is the worst in the division, or the league. We got lots of young and under developed talent. They lack experience, confidence, and the skills needed to excel.

We have some bright spots, and I for one look forward to what we can do as the season progresses and our guys get more comfortable.

I just hope it doesn’t take until week 9 until they get things going.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey, I'm still the canary on these boards

And I feel somehow we will turn this around somehow.

I am just tired of seeing our offense underachieve as a whole. And if we want to win the Super Bowl, well we have to be able to win against playoff caliber teams. Right now, we are 0-2 if not 1-2 against playoff caliber teams. Its early in the year, but something has to get resolved.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're a canary?

The send you into the mines and stuff?

Yo, you just crazy mang.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Sep 26, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well on these boards at least

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Sep 26, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m with you man, still don’t think this match-up of Martz-Cutler will work. Actually I believe Martz its gone regardless, and btw, our chances to make the play-offs look pretty slim right now.

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stupid dropped catches, and penalties.

If Briggs isn’t off sides we get a Int returned 61 yards, and set up in the redzone, and get at least 3. Instead packers get 7.
If Roy catches the ball we have a TD….
If Graham doesn’t get a penalty, Knox’s return counts as a TD
That’s 17 possible points…..
Lame.

Not panicking at all, we came out of a hard 3 game stretch 1 – 2, so not panicking. Just wish we could clean this stuff up.

Prov 6: 21 - 22

by Cutler6fan8 on Sep 26, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Lmao

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by DutchBear on Sep 26, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

But arguing semantics is probably fruitless here.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Sep 26, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Roy's dropped TD doesn't matter

Dane caught a TD 2 plays later

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

It does matter, only because I'd rather not have to wait on a couple later plays to get the TD.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well ya

I just meant in the what if of this particular post for points missed that one doesn’t matter

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

If there had been an INT thrown instead of the TD, we'd've been all over Roy for the drop.

Just saying it’s not acceptable in that instance.

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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 26, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh ya not arguing that

I lost it when they showed the replay and he dropped it before he was hit…this game was bad for my blood pressure

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by ThorCo on Sep 26, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

INT by Tillman wouldn't have happened if there was no offsides

Rodgers threw that pass knowing he’d already gotten Briggs to commit.

by Midway Bully on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I keep watching football on Saturdays

and wondering if, some way, some how, Blackmon or Michael Floyd could fall to us.

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by Sam Householder on Sep 26, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

No way, but there is a very real chance Jeffery or Broyles do. Also, keep an eye on Muhamed Sanu he looks like a stud in the making

Overall its gonna e a pretty deep class of WR’s. I want to do a fanpost over some of the early season standouts if I can find tome

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 10:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

*time

"Questioning Cutler's toughness is like questioning whether China has a lot of people"

-Michael Rosenberg, SI

by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 10:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Where does Sanu play?

And Broyles is Oklahoma? What about Jeffery?

I could see Floyd falling a bit because he has had a lot of off-field stuff but that would be an un-JA move to take a guy w/ concerns like that. We have no shot at Blackmon unless we absolutely tank which I don’t see happening either.

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by Sam Householder on Sep 26, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

I looked them up. Broyles is another 5’10" guy, Jeffery or Sanu would be all right. Sanu hasn’t had a ton of great production but I suppose he doesn’t have a great QB like the others either.

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by Sam Householder on Sep 26, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Broyles=Isaac Bruce 2

He would be a literally perfect fit for Martzfense or any West coast offense for that matter

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Dwight Jones and Juron Criner look like nice 2nd rounders

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by Joeb'n777 on Sep 26, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

then according to Angelo logic

That means draft a QB, RB, DT, TE, DE of middling talent while passing on the WRs until the 6th and 7th round where JA seems to try to build the positions of need.

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by parkernutws05 on Sep 27, 2011 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knox was a 5th, Iglesias a 3rd (and a well-spent 3rd that was). 6th and 7th are reserved for OL…

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by Spongie on Sep 27, 2011 4:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering JA did everything he could do to fix the O-line in the offseason

That now moves the new area of need into his wheelhouse of rebuilding… the 6th and 7th.

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by parkernutws05 on Sep 27, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Drive Killers

1) Penalty & losing yards on second down rush set up 3rd and 15
2) Jay Cutler interception on first down
3) -4 yard rush on second down set up 3rd and 9
4) TD
5) 3 incompletions from 7 yardline, FG
6) Sack & losing yards on second down rush set up 3rd and 19
7) Lost yards on first down, incompletion on second set up 3rd and 12
8) 2 incompletions and a sack
9) Penalty, dropped snap, and an incompletion set up 3rd and 16
10) Jay Cutler interception on first down
11) TD
12) Penalty, penalty, penalty set up 3rd and 33
13) Second down sack led to 3rd and 12
14) Time expired

(Just looking at Yahoo’s Play by Play account of the game. It doesn’t say who the incompletions were intended for, or if they were drops or anything.)

Between penalties, the Bears inability to get positive yardage running the ball, and Cutler taking unnecessary sacks, the Bears faced a lot of 3rd and longs which they couldn’t convert. The interceptions also fall squarely on Cutler.

Blame the WR, blame the OL, blame Cutler, blame JA for not addressing the WR/OL, but I don’t see Martz’s fingerprints on the offensive woes this week.

by BusterK on Sep 26, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Ok, I’ll give you the first half, but going into the second half he couldn’t make any adjustments for the pass rush? So last year after the by week, the players adjusted, and we won all those games,? Hmmmmm, interesting, so why can’t the players already do what they did already the past year ?

by transylvanian bear on Sep 26, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

The players were put in a position to succeed, and they, uh, dropped the ball.

I don’t think GB’s pass rush was a bigger factor in the second half (or altogether that big a of a factor in the first half). The sacks Cutler took yesterday weren’t like the sacks from the Saints game (he is tackled before he finishes dropping back). He had time to decide not to throw the ball, which meets the lowest standards for protecting your quarterback.

Cutler and others had a bad game. Throughout the season they will also have good games. They can’t do what they did last season for the same reason they can’t all stay healthy like they did last year.

by BusterK on Sep 26, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Déjà Vu all over

The questions about this team’s identity were starting to pop up around this time too. I’m too tired to make a long rant, but I will say that Jerry Angelo sucks. He sucks, and if he is still here next year, my brain will implode. Watching this guy run this team is an excercise in futility. Someone prove me wrong for god’s sake.

by Midway Bully on Sep 26, 2011 11:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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