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Why I'll read Sweetness - and Why the Controversy is Good

Since news broke about the Jeff Pearlman book, "Sweetness: The Enigmatic Life of Walter Payton," the controversy surrounding the excerpts provided in the Sports Illustrated piece have caused quite a stir in Bears country. Perhaps expectedly, both sides of the argument - why do we tear down our heroes or this is a peek into a man that was - have valid points, and my purpose here isn't to change your opinion on whether or not Pearlman is a hack, or a sensationalist, or a quality journalist. I want to look at why the controversy is a positive thing, and why the book should and does matter to Bears' fans and NFL fans. Hit the jump for more.

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I'm going to read it. It may be a second-hand purchase online, or from the library, or a Christmas present from a relative, but I want to take a look at it. Dane already posted an explanation by Pearlman from his website about why he wrote it, and Pearlman also wrote a piece in the Tribune as a kind of launching point for Bears' fans into the story he's telling; its not a defense against retractors like I thought it would be, but an interesting piece that helps show the story within the book is more than just trashing Payton. Its about uncovering one of the most recognizable faces and most amazing players in the NFL's storied history, and yet a man we know little about outside of his abilities on the field and the heart-wrenching end to his life.

Kevin Seifert of the NFC North blog on ESPN posted something earlier essentially saying "don't be afraid of it without knowing everything about it." From the excerpts out there now - and yes, the book publisher/marketing arm are looking to make the biggest splash possible, hence the controversial stuff coming out - they don't paint Walter in the best light. For me, I'll take any information I can get about the man I idolized as a Bears' fan growing up, whether its about his determination, running up that stinking hill over and over to better himself, or his post-career struggles.

Pearlman's books are either sensationalistic (if you hate the Payton book) or throwing back the veil on sports history (if you respect the work, regardless of whether you like it or agree with it). None of us can say he's a liar without the subsequent proof, but that also doesn't mean we have to fully believe that what Pearlman writes is the whole truth. The controversy should be expected - you take a storied sports franchise's most deified player and reveal him to be human, to have faults and low moments like the rest of us, and his fans aren't exactly going to be singing the author's praises. But the plus side of the controversy is regardless of opinions, there's another opportunity to learn more about Payton, if you choose. If you don't, no problem. You don't want to read about Payton's low points in life? I understand.

What I plan on doing is taking the book with a grain of salt, knowing that embellishments and inaccuracies happen in the media, but make my primary objective in reading the book as a chance to learn more about number 34, his success and failures, his youth, his final days, and his struggles. I've enjoyed reading comments from our community and other media sites discusses the book, from both sides of the coin, and think that if nothing else, we're drumming up some new found interest for people that don't fully understand how great or how impactful Payton was, and giving him the second glance he deserves. Regardless of where you stand on the issue, spending time discusses the greatest running back of all-time makes me happy, and leaves me wanting to read that book to learn more.

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Ditto

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Sep 29, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree totally

I’m also guessing some of the people he interviewed had their own agendas when discussing payton so, I will take that into consideration with anything said in the book.

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by garyfencikrapping on Sep 29, 2011 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Good post.

I’m hoping that the advertising has mentioned the worst already. I can handle reading about Payton taking some painkillers and having an affair. That’s nowhere near some of the evil crap other NFL players have done or allegedly done (murder, rape, torturing 60+ dogs for amusement, etc.), so it won’t change my mind about Sweetness… at least not in a bad way, I hope.

by oripunk3485 on Sep 29, 2011 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

More from Pearlman
Pearlman said he wanted to write a book about “someone decent; about someone caring” following his Roger Clemens biography. “Walter Payton was insanely curious, and his interest in other people — regular fans, folks on the street — extended beyond the scope of nearly any athlete I’ve ever come across (Sean Casey the possible exception),” Pearlman said. “Best of all, Payton had depth. There was so much beneath the surface with this man. But that was also a problem. Because for all of his depth, Payton spent his life as a lockbox. He trusted very few people, and confided in — at most — three or four. The image out there when he played is the same one out there today: Classy guy, perfect in all areas, the ultimate role model, great running back and the ultimate prankster. And while that is, in many ways, sort of true, it’s also a cheap, easy and unfair portrait.”

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/09/27/walterpayton.book/index.html#ixzz1ZNQNV9UT

by 815Sox on Sep 29, 2011 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

The only way it could be better...

is if it was written by joe posnanski.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Sep 29, 2011 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not familiar with Pearlman.

Is he really on the same level as Pos?

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by JerBear50 on Oct 1, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol ok

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 2, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Walter

I don’t think there will be anything in this book to change the perception of Walter, publicly he embodied what a role model should be. I had season tickets before the rebuilding of Soldier Field and many Sundays after games I watched him stop and sign autographs for kids, until every kid got one. I have heard that this book tells of a dark side, we all have one. I am now and will always be glad that we had people like Walter for our kids to look up to.

by Parkee on Sep 29, 2011 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't want my kids to look up to an adulterer

And I doubt that part is made up or embellished.

But they can certainly enjoy watching him do amazing things on a football field.

by SouthernCub on Sep 29, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda hard to judge if you don't personally go through a failed relationship

No one is perfect.

Sometimes a relationship fails even if both people tried hard to make it work. Others simply live together and never get officially hitched.

Humans are humans, good or bad and to expect otherwise is foolish.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Sep 29, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

true, but that does not mean they deserve your adulation, that's the point

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 30, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good points, all.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very well written and good post joe.

Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance this week over Rodgers crumpled on the turf

by tfrabotta on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Devil's Advocate

Let me start by saying that I really like your you post. Rec’d it, in fact.

But I’d like to offer a devil’s advocate point of view.

Regardless of any praise Walter receives through this book, the end result will be a downgrading of his legacy that he cannot defend himself against.

The real question to ask is why? Why wait to write these controversial things until after he is gone and cannot defend himself against the accusations? Why write them at all? What purpose does in serve other than to take yet another role model down a notch? Did we need Walter Payton made human? What purpose does it serve society? I would argue that it does society more disservice by ensuring that yet another role model is brought to earth.

I understand that the return sabot is to say that athletes should not be role models. But reality trumps idealism and athletes are, in fact, role models for many children who do not have positive role models at home. And looking up the thread at at least one commenter’s response, the damage has already been done in this regard.

While I cannot call Pearlman a liar—and wouldn’t because i have no reason to believe he is lying—I can absolutely call him an opportunist. Let’s face it, his book will receive more publicity because of the accusations in question, and thus will sell more copies while never having to face the scrutiny of the man it calls into question. It’s easy money. And while some will pretend that this sort of writing—shining light in the darkest corners or public figures lives—should be painted in a noble light, I disagree. It serves no purpose and betters society in no way.

It, in fact, just serves to remove yet another positive role model from the ever decreasing list of positive influences out there for kids who do not have those role models in their everyday lives. Society has always had it’s paragons for a reason, and the removal of them in the name of information and truth does no great service, regardless of misplaced intellectualism.

Furthermore, the man had family. The idea that because a man played football in the national spotlight, his every action and flaw is fair game, regardless of the pain or embarrassment it causes his family, is ludicrous. Society’s sick need to see every decent person brought down to their level publicly is the root cause of this, because people will by this book solely because it sheds light on a darker Walter Payton.

Just my two cents in a devil’s advocate role, and I will admit that it is a partial reprint/rehash of an article I will be publishing tomorrow. So I have no problem giving you all a preview before the article is published.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 29, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

there is not a single thing i cannot agree with here

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by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 29, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the rec, and I look forward reading your article, as well

You point out what makes the discussion about this book so interesting to me – that opinions on both sides have valid arguments and I don’t fault anyone for chooses to not read the book or disagree with its contents/timing. For me, there are reasons why I’m glad to peruse the book and see what’s it about, and I understand those reactions (knee-jerk from the excerpts or more explicated like yours) that find fault with some aspect of it. Looking forward to it!

If its free, take two.

by T.J. Shouse on Sep 29, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good response but I have to tell you:
Society’s sick need to see every decent person brought down to their level publicly is the root cause of this

I do not think this is the motivation for most of those interested in the book. It certainly isn’t for me. For all we know, the story is going to involve lots of talk about how much Walter overcame. Mental Health issues, including addiction, should not be looked at as a “flaw”. They are a health issue. We need to start recognizing them as such (society is getting better, but we still have a long way to go).

by 815Sox on Sep 29, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points, too.

I don’t think that there is a right answer to this. I think there are differing viewpoints that all have valid arguments, like yours.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 30, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, in re:
And looking up the thread at at least one commenter’s response, the damage has already been done in this regard.

You or I have no idea of how much that commenter knew about Walter’s infidelity. It was very very well known that Walter had a girlfriend. I wouldn’t be so quick to judge.

shining light in the darkest corners or public figures lives—should be painted in a noble light, I disagree. It serves no purpose and betters society in no way.

Like has been said, this isn’t some tabloid hack piece. Its closer to “Primary Colors”. I don’t think its fair to pick and choose who can be written about and who cannot be. Do you think books like this about say… politicians should not be written? What about one about Madoff or the people behind Halliburton?

I really do think that many are not as opposed to what or how the book was written. I think many are upset about who it was written. Overtime, this will be digested and Walter’s legacy will still remain. Plenty of famous people have had stuff like this written and are still remembered in a positive life.

This has been a great discussion. Good job everyone. Thanks WCG for providing us the place to do so.

by 815Sox on Sep 29, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have to say I agree.

JFK is still revered by some people, even after all the allegations and improprieties came out.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

But to counterpoint....

JFK is revered by some, but his legacy was tarnished by the release of his flaws, and there are plenty who disparage him because of that.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they chose to disparage him for that

its there choice, but his legacy is still mainly know for what he did for this country and him giving the ultimate sacrifice for us. Those that disparage him may also do so because of a political bias. My very conservative friends are not as enthralled by him. We all grew up in the Catholic Schools so we heard lots about him.

I do hear what you are saying.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL...

First off, most people alive today have no idea what JFK’s ideology was. Were he to be a politician today, he would be considered an extreme right-winger, as would virtually every other politician of that time period, with a few notable exceptions. But assuming that most people, who have only a passing interest in politics and many of whom sadly couldn’t tell you which party he belonged to (or even more sadly, who the Vice President is today), would disparage him because of his political leanings is probably a bit off base.

Truth is, American love it when public figures fall from glory. “See, he ain’t no better than us!” Most will disparage him simply because he was a politician who’s supposed affairs have become a running joke.

Clinton falls into the same category. I live in a overwhelmingly democratic community, but Clinton is little more than a sex joke here. Now, politically, you can love him or hate him. But I’m willing to bet that you hear more Clinton references relating to interns and cigars than you do to tax increases, Bosnia, the first trade center bombing, the USS Cole or the economic boom.

In the end, for all of our intellectualism, we’re still just cavemen who laugh at other people’s pain. Doubt it? Look at any comedy.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

To your point...

I agree that some will argue about this solely because of who the book was written about. Myself, I have a real problem with this sort of stuff with anyone who isn’t there to defend themselves and wasn’t a public figure who’s credibility hinged on his moral character or lack there-of. Politician, you could say, open themselves to this scrutiny by way of creating laws based on moral values. But even then, I think there is a limit to the scope by which the lens should be focused.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Counter Arguement

You put yourself out in the public, you make lots of money from it. You open yourself. A single politician doesn’t “create laws”, its an entire legislative body. That is a difficult way to judge who is acceptable to write about.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree completely on the legislators.....

Which is why I said there is a limited scope, in my opinion, that is even acceptable there.

But as far as sports figures and actors, they are just doing a job, no different than you or I. Just because their job happens to be broadcast on TV, doesn’t mean that their personal lives should be public. I disagree with that premise vehemently. Just do to someone being able to run faster, punch harder or throw better than the average person should not make their private lives public record. I’ve always wondered why people felt that a person who can catch a football “put themselves out there”. Does this mean that if you, for example, deliver the best proposals at the office, or are the valedictorian of your college class, you have put yourself out there to have your personal life scrutinized, written about and reported on?

I just don’t get how someone doing a job that has no grounding in morality or subjugation of others under the banner of morality is grounds for their private lives becoming public record. It is not and should not be our right to know, in my opinion.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, a single politician generally does create would-be laws....

which are then brought to committee and are made bills, where they are amended, voted on and either shot down or passed forward to the assembly and then ultimately to the other assembly and on to the President. Obviously an oversimplification, but accurate for these purposes.

But even going away from the literal definitions, while a single politician may not vote law into being, they have a hand in it, they sponsor bills, they oppose bills, they support bills. They attach their names and are accountable, and as such, their own morality can be called into question and can be argued acceptably as relevant.

Let me pull back the curtain a bit and tell you that I agree with your obvious thought that this shouldn’t be the case. My argument would be this: If I kill a man, am I then not qualified to argue that it should be illegal to kill a man? One has little to do with the other. The merit of the man has nothing to do with the merit of a law. They are separate entities. But that unfortunately isn’t the way things seem to work in our “gotcha” society.

For the record, I personally don’t believe that politicians lives should be public knowledge unless they are doing something criminal, which i would also apply to everyone else. I just don’t see the intellectual value of private life biographies on entertainers, which, at this point, athlete’s qualify as.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

God forbid we should have heroes. Tearing somebody down just to sell a book is a sad statement on the publishing business. Grew up watching Walter. He’s still the greatest to me no matter what.

by rightnasty on Sep 29, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, you are assuming he is doing it just to make money

That is slander. He has stated that he is not doing it just to make money, educate yourself by judging. The link is at the top of the page. Does knowing these things some how make him not your hero? I still revere the guy, even with his flaws.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're saying he's not doing it for the money??

Are suggesting this writer NEEDED the truth to be known about Walter Payton, and did this for sake of the fans, despite the royalty checks he’ll be getting? If the truth is so important, how about doing a book on Afghanistan or something that really matters, rather than tearing down a sports celebrity who’s already passed away? It is not slander, it is closer to truth than anything else that’s been said.

And I already stated Walter is still a hero no matter what. I’ve done far worse things than he ever did.

by rightnasty on Sep 30, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, of course I am not suggesting that he wants to make money off of

Slander – “a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report”

You are making assumptions and/or assuming things. He is an author he is going to make money on this books. He has several other books he made money from. One was an NY Times Winner.

It is slander to suggest that Pearlman is some hatchetman who seeks only to profit from pain. It is dangerous stuff when people start attacking journalists and authors because they do not like what was written, or in this case who it was written about.

You said,

Tearing somebody down just to sell a book is a sad statement on the publishing business.>

You have no idea that was his intent, that he wanted to “tear him down” to ONLY make money. He is an author its his damn job.

Biography – “An account of a person’s life written, composed, or produced by another”. They tell the story of a person’s life. A bio is not “Telling the story of someone, except parts of the story that might upset somebody”. I am glad he is still your “hero”. He is a great football player, he should be remembered as such. That will be his ultimate legacy. Lots of this information should not be a surprise to us, due to the fact that it has been whispered for a long time (I heard about the girlfriend in the 90s) and due to the fact that he is human.

I am going to ignore your red herring statement on Afghanistan. Also, people really do not care that you did far worse things (except victims maybe) because you are not a famous person that has made millions from a specific image. Just being honest. I hope that you are getting help or received it. Addiction/Depression is very serious and can be fatal.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He made millions from a specific image?

Gee, I thought it was from being the all time leading rusher. This is the Bears forum, right? Randy Moss has made a ton of money too despite the negative image. So have many others. So what does image have to do with it again?

But more to the point, if he writes a book that only tells what Walter did in Sweetness, is it going to sell as well? Of course not. But you announce you’ve got a book that’s going tear someone down, and people jump all over it just like they do when it gets announced that Lindsay Lohan got arrested, or Paris Hilton went to jail, etc. Because of a sickness in society to know the dirt on someone else, while simultaneously attempting to hide their own, a general nosiness about celebrities’ personal lives which they think they have a right to know because they bought a ticket or maybe just because they surf the web.

It’s his damn job?? What’s his job? “To expose the awful truth about the late Walter Payton”? BS. Walter is entitled to his privacy, just as anybody else.

And no, Afghanistan was not a red herring. Clearly you missed the point. The point was that if revealing the truth is so important to a writer, than he ought to spend the effort on something really important like world affairs, rather than sports.

by rightnasty on Sep 30, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

You failed to mention his bibliography consists exclusively of books tearing down athletes ie.

“When the first chapter of a non-fiction football book starts off with future Hall Of Fame receiver Michael Irvin stabbing a teammate in the neck with a scissors… and blood is shooting all over the room… and the intensity of the lurid details… on and off the field… regarding the famed “dynastic” Dallas Cowboys of the 1990’s… never lets up for the next three-hundred-fifty-eight pages… you know you’ve got a great book in your hands. "

ttp://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Be-Cowboys-Dynasty/dp/0061256811/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1317422722&sr=1-1

See, this is the mentality I was talking about. I don’t think it’s something to be lauded.

by rightnasty on Sep 30, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, slander is spoken. Libel is in print.

And you cannot libel or slander a public figure (which Pearlman is) through opinion of his/her motives. That is not slander or libel. Slander or libel is to say that Pearlman boinks goats when he clearly does not. Saying Pearlman wrote the book to make money of other peoples pain is not slander or libel. It is protected opinion. Let’s be fair, nobody here has libeled Pearlman.

And, to be fair, who would say they WERE just doing it for the money? But let me ask you this. Woud he have made as much money if he didn’t include these things? Would he have gotten as much press? And have other biographies been written that didn’t include these things. You pointed out that rightnasty has no idea what his intent was. That is absolutely true…..of both of you (and me).

But Pearlman’s entire catalog of books is about exposing athletes. I would classify his books on Clemens and Bonds were one-sided hatchet jobs, and I’m not sympathetic to either. His expose on the Cowboys was sensationalized garbage, from my point of view.

But it also should be noted that he has been attacked before for journalistic integrity and removed content from the paperback edition of his book on Clemens because he included unsubstantiated rumors about Brian Cashman and didn’t investigate those rumors himself.

Let me ask you, if his job is to report all the facts in a biography, doesn’t that first include researching those rumors to ensure they are true? And if his motives are so noble as “truth” then why wouldn’t he be completely thorough rather than just printing unsubstantiated rumors in hard-cover without giving due diligence?

You see, it isn’t noble to write these things after the man is dead and cannot defend himself. It’s an easy target for a guy who has had live targets come back to challenge him.

Does that mean that he only did it for the money? Nope. But does him saying he didn’t make it so? Nope.

That becomes a decide-for-yourself spot. Myself, I think he’s a hack who is as . I’ve read 3 of his books and thought all of them were poorly written hatchet-jobs. I, personally, think Barry Bonds holding any MLB record is an affront. But I came away from Pearlman’s book almost wanting to defend Bonds.

The thing I take the biggest issue with, though is that Walter made millions off of a specific image. No, he didn’t. He made millions by running a football. The Bears didn’t pay him because he was a nice guy. They paid him because he amassed yardage and scored touchdowns. The idea that his personal life and his pain and his families continued pain is somehow our business because he was good at running with an oblong ball is ridiculous.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another take

You posted:

It, in fact, just serves to remove yet another positive role model from the ever decreasing list of positive influences out there for kids who do not have those role models in their everyday lives. Society has always had it’s paragons for a reason, and the removal of them in the name of information and truth does no great service, regardless of misplaced intellectualism.

You assume that telling the true story of Payton will diminish his legacy, whereas in fact it corrects his legacy and that can be a good thing. He was a great athlete and a deeply flawed man. That he was so flawed, so human, and yet still did so much positive in his community, makes him, IMO, more worthy of our respect. Despite his flaws, he did so much good. Way to go, Walter!

Knowing that our “heroes” are/were very human is a good thing. I try to humanize the great persons of US history in my classes. Rather than diminishing their stature, humanizing them actually has the opposite effect, it makes them more real, more believable. Knowing that they were a lot like us and still managed to accomplish great things, is a very good thing, inspiring even.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 30, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very valid points, as well.

And some will definitely see it the way you spelled out. Yet, many will not. Many will have knee jerk reactions about moral character. You know as well as I do that this is an area where many people live in blacks and whites, with little gray area to speak of.

But I actually agree with your premise, myself.

I’m loving this discussion.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Sep 30, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I loved history

I loved being able to put myself in peoples shoes and try to understand their perspective.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you teach history right, this is what you try to do

sadly, a lot of history classes are taught very badly emphasizing the memorization of dates and details. Better to focus on what happened, why did it happen, and what else could have happened. One of my favorite questions to throw at my students is if what if Lincoln had ducked at the fateful moment and had not been assassinated?

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 1, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh so true.

Even more sad is the number of history teachers who know less about history than many of their students. Dealing with one such teacher right now at my daughter’s high school. She has a math degree so apparently she is qualified to teach history.

To her credit, she doesn’t like the situation any more than anyone else does. But this is modern education at it’s finest.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is a mindeset out there that anyone can teach history

While that is technically correct, but it takes a lot of work and dedication to teach it well.

Oh, and for the record, that is true for any discipline, not just history.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 2, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can't expect people to be flawless in order to be worthy of our admiration.

We also can’t expect them to have to live up to the expectations we create for them. You mentioned below (or maybe above, depending on where this ends up) that

…many will not. Many will have knee jerk reactions about moral character.
You’re not wrong Tim, but we can’t censor every aspect of life to satisfy the least common denominator. That’s why so many end up with an extremely narrow, flawed view of history, and why we have textbooks stuffed full of bullshit to make us all feel better about ourselves. Our heroes can’t be heroes if they’re not squeaky clean, our country can’t be great if it has flaws, and any mistakes that can’t be outright ignored must be glossed over as much as possible.
    I don’t know Pearlman, nor do I know his motivations, but he is a journalist. The purpose of journalism is to inform and to expose, not to make us happy or to create heroes. I for one will think no less of what Walter accomplished on the field, of what he meant to us Bears fans, of his numerous charitable works, of the countless stories praising him that we heard on tv and sports radio after his passing. I will also think no less of him as a person. Having an affair and using painkillers is not exactly new territory, especially for an NFL player who was beat to hell for our amusement. You can destroy your body for our entertainment, ending up with potential brain damage, but how dare you not be able to deal with it by just gritting your teeth and taking tylenol. That’s what John Wayne would have done, after all.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 1, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

First....

I get your point.

But in the end, why do we need to know the darkest aspects of every entertainer’s life? What social purpose does it serve? I say it does a social disservice. I mentioned above the value of paragons, but I didn’t delve deeply into the thought, and I still won’t go to far into the subject here. But, despite conventional wisdom, a paragon is not necessarily a bad thing. It provides a standard to aspire to that, while understandably unattainable, sets a standard of moral and social acceptability.

Without paragons, moral and social guideline erode. Call it what you like, and I’m not up for a huge philosophical debate. But ithose books that you spoke of are full of examples of exactly that which I speak of. Where our founding fathers used to be paragons, they are now flawed. And those flaws are used to call into question the validity of the path they chose for our country. Agree or disagree with the end result, they created the foundation of our society and or way of life and the building blocks for the most affluent nation to ever exist, where our poor live better than most nations’ rich and where the lady down the street from me, who has a LCD TV, a 2006 car and lots of other nice things is on welfare and is given a cell phone by the state because she doesn’t meet the guidelines that say she’s not impoverished.

Only since the founding paragons were eroded has the formula been called into question and we are now declining economically and educationally, due in large part to changes that were facilitated by the erosion of said paragons.

And journalists tell the whole story instead of trying to lead you in a certain direction, something that Pearlman has made a career of. Read his book on Bonds, who I personally despise, and tell me that he wasn’t trying to lead his readers instead of just providing the facts and letting you make up your own mind. That’s the problem with “journalism” these days. It is no longer required that a journalist do everything he can to remain unbiased in covering a story. Opinion is encouraged in straight up news.

As to your last few sentences, I offer this retort:

You can destroy your body for our amusement, ending up with potential brain damage, but how dare you try to keep the resulting painkiller addictions private? We have a right to know what you were taking, who you were sleeping with and any other skeletons in your closet . You were a public figure by virtual of being a good football player, after all.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's just my point though;

we shouldn’t have to feel like someone is perfect in order to respect them and admire them. Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, etc. shouldn’t have to be portrayed as paragons in order for us to appreciate what they accomplished against long odds. My argument is that our society shouldn’t need everything to be sugarcoated in order for us to have admiration/appreciation/respect. I’m not actually arguing with you because I think you’re mostly right; I’m just saying we as a society should strive to be better than that. I realize it’s not likely to happen, and I realize it’s probably not a discussion that needs to play out on here.
     As for your retort, I’m not sure you understood my intent. My statement was meant sarcastically. It was a shot at the bullshit “moral outrage” that people spout off everytime it’s revealed that a player uses pain meds. As for celebrities right to privacy, I don’t envy them in that regard, but I don’t know that there’s much that can be done about it. Well, we could turn off the tv and stop drooling over celebrity gossip, but again, not likely to happen.

"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST

by JerBear50 on Oct 2, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

But unfortunately, the vast majority doesn’t. they instead turn any sign of weakness or flaw into the extreme and thus diminish everything else that person is involved in. We have not, as a society, evolved to the point of reasoning where we can separate a person’s failings from the rest of his existence, as if somehow hiring a hooker or taking oxycodone suddenly means that every unrelated action in their life is tainted.

As to my “retort”, I have to cop to being the one who cannot get across my intent, mostly by way of using the word “retort”. I understood your intent, and agreed with your sentiment. I was piling on and adding in my own belief on the issue. My bad. Me and my pointy hat will now take our rightful place in the corner.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 3, 2011 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol gotcha

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by JerBear50 on Oct 4, 2011 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

highly questionable connections being made above
Only since the founding paragons were eroded has the formula been called into question and we are now declining economically and educationally, due in large part to changes that were facilitated by the erosion of said paragons.

Your entitled to your opinion, but wow, this is a real reach.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 4, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

you have not changed my mind about reading it

but you did plant the seed to contemplate reading it at some point.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 29, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the big issue is

People attempting to attack Pearlman for writing the book. They accuse him of plagiary, but than slander him. That is really dangerous. The thing is, I am sure Pearlman has received death threats for this, in fact he eluded to it last night. It is okay to not want to read something or agree with it. It is not okay to threaten or slander someone because you do not like what was written. These are laws for a reason, and they exist to protect everyone involved.

I think this book is going to reveal that lots of people took advantage of Walter Payton. They saw money and forced him to try to live up to this image. This is a major problem, because obviously the cash was coming from his “clean” image. This is obviously going to be a big incentive to prevent him for receiving mental health treatment.

From the excerpts we have been given Walter knew he had a problem. Why wasn’t he given help? Sometimes it takes some pushing to get someone into treatment. Especially someone like Payton, who has also had lots of success in his life.

I know it effects us Bears fans, like I said Walter was almost given diety status. I am sure that not many here have reacted strongly to other Pearlman books. In fact, Pearlman exposed the homophobic and racist John Rocker for what he is…. a racist, homophobic asshole.

Excellent article, I gave it a rec.

by 815Sox on Sep 29, 2011 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I respect Pearlman as a writer

Haven’t read his books, but have read his articles and excerpts from his books. I think you elude to another issue that the NFL keeps avoiding dealing with, which is the long term issues of players’ mental and physical breakdowns post-career wise and how you deal with them. Obviously even Walter was not immune to a difficult transition after his playing career was over. And thanks for the rec.

If its free, take two.

by T.J. Shouse on Sep 29, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not just football

Many sports that involve contact and concussions. What is the real travesty, is it appears that the leagues knew about it and did not share the information. Stuff like this has to be known. Parents need to know the risks of what they are allowing their kids to do. When/If I have kids, I personally do not think I will allow them to play football if they want too (not that my family really has the build to anyways). I also wonder if my parents would have allowed me to play hockey knowing what we know now.

Like I said in another thread, the NHL suffered three suicides this offseason. All of them had head trauma, mental health issues including depression and self medication/drug abuse. The more and more we learn, the more and more we find these common denominators.

BTW, Boys Will Be Boys is a great book. I need to reread it.

by 815Sox on Sep 29, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

in the next 10-20 years the NFL and possibly the NHL are going to undergo a Phillip Morris-style lawsuit where they knew the long-term effects, did little to nothing to prevent them, and stiffed those suffering from debilitating mental and physical issues on medical bills. Did I just compare the NFL to the cigarette industry? Damn right I did.

If its free, take two.

by T.J. Shouse on Sep 29, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have to disagree.

Simply for the reasons that brain injury has been a largely unexplored field.

Reason why I know is the repercussions of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The extensive research that’s been done in the last 10 years has dramatically changed our understanding of the damage of concussions, and how to effectively treat them. The military had to change its policies for front line troops as much as possible since everyone was sustaining concussions that started to affect performance. The attitude changed from “shake it off” to “we need to hold you out for awhile until we are sure you are alright”. That’s a huge change that took years of work, lots of medical research, and sadly lots of lives that were screwed up as a result.

The NFL’s policy right now with concussions is greatly changed from only a few years ago. In the case of concussions, there never was a medical smoking gun like cancer rates that anyone will be able to point to.

Some of the best things to come out of the wars is a understanding of how blast injuries and concussions affect how the brain moves around inside the skull. No one knew that the little capillaries inside the brain could be affected by motion from the sides as well as front to back. Medical imaging has come a long way to be able to observe these little blood vessels and the interactions that occur during collision.

All the knowledge about concussions before was more anecdotal then systematic. Better knowledge of body physics during a violent event has led to major changes to vehicle design where seats are now suspended rather then physically attached to the vehicle. That system is being looked at how to be adapted to civilian vehicles due to the energy absorption of a suspended seat being superior then a restrain belt/bolted seat.

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by crackedcactus on Sep 29, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

However, that doesn't change the fact that these leagues knew the risk

and was hiding what they knew. Just like the Cigarette companies did. You cannot put individuals in a position of risk unknowingly. If they knew how damaging the sport was and conspired to hide the information they could be in some real trouble.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

49er fan passing by

I loved Walter Payton. All this book really shows me is that he was a mortal man. I feel sorry for Walter, you can see what a stressful job did to him. Does this change my view of him? Yes. I see him as a regular person instead of the comic book Superman he portrayed. Rest in peace Mr. Payton. A few sins a long time ago will not tarnish your legacy.

by mcwagner on Sep 29, 2011 8:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It is not totally his fault that he was deified and looked at as a Superman

I keep repeating, but I bet we are going to find out that some people really exploited Walter and pushed his squeaky clean image. They forced him to live as a fraud and quite possibly prevented him from getting help.

But this is a lesson for some not to immortalize men. Nobody is perfect, nobody. Even the Dali Llama has admitted mistakes, and he is considered by millions (billions?) to be a living personification of god.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

You helped make my point from earlier.

How did Payton live as a fraud? He had an affair and took painkillers. That means he wasn’t a great person? That negates his charity work and all of the great things he did?

Like I said, this expose into his private life that does no social good has tarnished his legacy. You just called the man a fraud.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

This book tells of obvious human flaws.

Not every married person commits adultery, but it certainly is and has been a problem for an eternity. What about substance addiction? Same thing. Nothing new at all, probably just spun to cater to the writer’s motive. I’m not saying Pearlman is a bad person, journalist, or a blood-sucking limelighter; I do believe he saw an opportunity and took full advantage of Sweetness’ fame and legacy.

the book publisher/marketing arm are looking to make the biggest splash possible, hence the controversial stuff coming out – they don’t paint Walter in the best light.

Won’t read it…

"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton

by propheteer on Sep 29, 2011 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

"Nothing New at All"

I agree with you there, this was all known and whispered. I am sure the response was similar when whispered in the bar. Some can accept it, others for whatever reason cannot take critical information of there “heros” so they went into denial. I doubt Pearlman had an active “motive” though, except to write a good book.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too add- the book hurts people who loved him most.
""Walter, like all of us, wasn’t perfect. The challenges he faced were well known to those of us who loved and lived with him. He was a great father to Jarrett and Brittney, and held a special place in the football world and the Chicago community. Recent disclosures—some true, some untrue—do not change this. I’m saddened that anyone would attempt to profit from these stories, many told by people with little credibility. Thank you all for your continued support." Several of Payton’s former teammates have also been quoted in Chicago newspapers. Steve McMichael told the Chicago Tribune: "Whoever writes something like that is looking for money. And they are looking for it to be as controversial as they can. But people shouldn’t believe that. Walter was one of the people for whom they made that axiom ’the good die young.’"

per chicagobears.com

"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton

by propheteer on Sep 29, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently, Connie is writing a memoir herself

Are you going to be angry at her when she talks about being she and her children being left by Walter for another woman?

Also, she acknowledges that at least part of the story is true, which makes all the claims of the author making stuff up very suspect.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

3rd party versus his wife

I think it’s difficult to compare the two in the same light. Like Connie said, some of the content was true. Shouldn’t it be completely accurate? I guess I’m asking for too much in today’s writing.

"All we needed was a ladder, some tennis balls and a timer. My uncle is old-school." - Henry Melton

by propheteer on Sep 30, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who knows what is really inaccurate or not, we have to read the book to judge

As keeps being repeated over and over and over, Pearlman has a good reputation and has interviewed hundreds of people and spent 2 1/2 years working on it. No biography is going to be perfect, but Pearlman did plenty of work. When you write books like that, you have to stick to the truth, tons of mistake and nobody will buy it. I’d bet that most of the stuff in this book is not embellished. But how do we know yet?

As for Connie, wonderful woman seriously. But I doubt she isn’t going to confirm lots of stuff that we do not know about Payton. As an Adult, I’d think most of us know people are people with flaws. We shouldn’t need “Heros” to show us how to behave. We can appreciate him for what he is.

Also, I do not think the Chicago Bears Website should involved themselves in this mess. Of course they do not like this though, it costs them cash.

People are going to go nuts when the Michael Jackson biography is written, but that will not prevent people from enjoying his music.

Are you really upset that Pearlman wrote Boys Will Be Boys?

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pearlman has a good reputation with whom?

And you can’t have it both ways. You downplay people assuming Pearlman’s motives are cash related, and then assume the Bears motives for displeasure being cash?

And why can’t we expect that if a biographer doesn’t know if what he’s writing is accurate that it be omitted?

And Boys with be Boys was garbage.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because she says something isn't true

doesn’t mean it’s not. She potentially has as much of an agenda as Pearlman does, particularly if she’s also writing a book. There’re also things she may not have known about him, as there are things most spouses don’t know about each other, especially after a long period of separation.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 1, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

A bit different coming from his wife vs a guy who's made a career out of "exposing" sports stars.

Notice that she also used the words “some true, some untrue” in that quote? Remember that Pearlman has had to remove content previously because he screwed up. Now, you seem to have missed the “untrue” prtion of that when you made reference to the “true” portion of the quote. That untrue inclusion would seem to be a claim that the author, in fact, was making some things up. How’d you miss that, buddy?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd spit on this book

But it wouldn’t compare to Ditka’s loogie

by edenburnz on Sep 30, 2011 1:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ditka is not the greatest example of a humanbeing

He is another that should be compartmentalized by us. Good coach (for awhile), not a very good human being.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point being that Ditka is viewed as some kind of diety around here.

There’s a good reason why pictures like this exist.

He defined this franchise. Twice. He helped bring us our two most storied championships, the 63 and the 85. He will forever be revered amongst the Bears faithful for such accomplishments.

Walter is and should be viewed in the same way. He brought us out of the hell that was the 70s, was integral in our 85 championship, and remains in our hearts and minds the NFL rushing champion.

I make both of these statements without knowing or particularly caring about their off-the-field issues. I admire both players for what they did on the field and for their franchise. There is nobody that is perfect in every aspect of their life. To assume such a person exists is folly at the highest degree. Everybody has faults. But we can still admire a person for what they brought to the table.

by Doshi on Sep 30, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Being a bit rough on Ditka aren't you.

I’m not saying Ditka is a saint, but unless you actually know the man calling him not a very good human being is a bit much.

Steven Hawking was paralysed after Mr. T pitied him so hard he was hurled through the air and crashed into an orphanage, killing 50.

by Ditkavsworld on Sep 30, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a reference to a comment by Ditka regarding the book

regardless if Payton had issues or not ya don’t smear a person like that’s name. Not while the generation that loved him is still alive.. An especially just for money.

You could prolly find dirt on Gandhi if you looked hard enough but you don’t see writters attacking him

by edenburnz on Oct 1, 2011 1:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

weak argument

If it is true, it is not a smear. Also, plenty of dirt found on true heroes and most are still well thought of by the public. JFK, MLK and even Gandhi have had books written about them that points out their flaws, yet all are still highly regarded by most. You do not have to be perfect to be respected. A person who overcomes his flaws is much more worthy of our respect than someone we mistakenly make a demi-god out of.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 1, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I typed out a huge rebuttal to this

But decide to delete it an just tell you your wrong. As is this book an I refuse to pay it anymore attention than I already have

by edenburnz on Oct 2, 2011 2:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

not a very compelling argument you make

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 2, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Walter Payton was one of the greatest football players

ever to lace up cleats. And, from most accounts, he was a pretty decent human being as well. After Ditka spits on Pearlman, I’ll give the author some 40 grit sandpaper doused in hydrochloric acid to wipe himself with.

Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.

by Gromowicz on Sep 30, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Most Accounts?

Its been well known he was not faithful to his wife. This stuff isn’t surprising. These flaws do not make him a bad person though. He seems like he needed lots of help. His greatest mistake and the mistake of those pushing the “clean” image for profit is not getting him that help. No shame in getting help. You go to the doctor when you are physically ill, you should also go when mentally ill.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You keep bringing up the "clean image for profit".

Can you lease point out what you mean by this. Am I missing something (certainly could be). But what profit did Payton make off of his clean image?

Let’s face it, he could be a saint. If he wasn’t one of the greatest football players to ever lace cleats, we wouldn’t know who he was. I’d say his profits were based on that. But maybe I’m missing something.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is one of the best conversations on WCG

For the most part, people are supporting and explaining their reasons and being very respectful. It is actually going much better hear than it is in many other places. Good job everybody.

by 815Sox on Sep 30, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

That would be because.....

douchebags like you are having their idiot opinions kept in check.

Just kidding :)

I was thinking the same thing. Sometimes it amazes me how I have to come to a sports site to have the best intellectual arguments without it devolving into some sort of profane melee. Meanwhile, if I had the conversation I’ve had here with you and Jer and some of the others on, say, any political site I can think of, along with most other sports sites or anything controlled by Yahoo, by this point we would have called each other several hundred variations of a penis.

I love this place.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

**ck you.

Fascist peckerwood.

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by JerBear50 on Oct 2, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love you too, Jer :)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 3, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Capitalism at it's best!

I respect your opinions 815Sox but I certainly wont add any funds to Pearlman’s account. I am curious about you now though. Since you are somehow “certified” to claim others as “not a very good human being.” I thought you defended Pearlman by saying it was dangerous for others to “slander him.” You must be the subject matter expert then since you are allowed to slander!

by PaxtonMustang on Sep 30, 2011 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

I couldn’t hear 815 say a damned thing ;)

And even if I had, saying of a saint that he was “not a very good human being” wouldn’t be slanderous (or libelous, for that matter). Saying he molested farm animals when he actually didn’t would be slanderous/libelous. You cannot libel someone with your opinion.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Oct 1, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for the lesson on libel and slander.

by PaxtonMustang on Oct 4, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What irritates me most about all this

is the glaring amount of silence up till now about it.

You have Rick Telander admitting that he saw Payton using smelling salts the way some people use oxygen after what he thought were concussions. Did anyone think to report that one of the greatest Bears in history was having to do that? Or, if you’re to believe Walter’s agent, slather himself in stuff they use to treat horses just to make the pain go away?

NOW, Telander’s all about crusading against brain injuries and taking care of former NFL players. How much further along would we be down that road had someone spoken up in the early 80’s? How many players had to suffer because no one would talk about this stuff?

Forget the adultery – that’s not the important part. The important part is that the game he loved and made him famous is also a primary reason he lived a damaged life. And no one said a damn word about it while it killed him.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Sep 30, 2011 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

A lot of players use smelling salts on the sidelines

Tom Brady was questioned about that just last season after doing it on camera. I occasionally have to use them on people in my line of work an if you’ve ever smelled one up close it’ll perk ya up for sure.. Don’t think it’d really help with a concussion tho because of the nature of that type of injury.. If you’ve ever had a legit concussion you’d understsnd, but outside of that situation it’s about the equivalent of drinking a pot of coffee in a second lol

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