The 2012 Chicago Bears
by Bears_GM on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 AM CST
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PrintThe 2012 Chicago Bears have the opportunities, resources and potential to reach the Super Bowl and win it all. That statement is every fans dream, but if that dream is ever to become a reality, the organization needs to change. The end of the Jerry Angelo Era was a fantastic way to kick off the Bears new year, now let's see them continue in that direction. We've lost out on two fantastic prospects. The Raven's Decosta, and the Packers Reggie Mckenzie. While this is not the worst news, it says a lot when you are a Marquis franchise and cannot entice top suitors to your program. The reason for this? Ted Phillips. We all know the Bears are a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" organization. Teddy fired Jerry because he needed a scapegoat. Jerry was terrible, and deserved to go, but McCaskey should have fired Ted as well. The Bears are a legitimate marquis franchise with massive revenues capabilities. However, they flounder in actually capitalizing on all of this because of this "scratching" business. Why do we not have a Turf like Lambeau Field? Poor management. Teddy, I'm calling you out. I can't fire you, but I can pave you a path to success. All you have to do is listen.
We will address the GM search first.
Les Snead. This is the man we want. Honestly, he is going to be a fantastic fit in Chicago and he has a free year to make bold moves and suffer no consequences. And this man will make them. Any one remember Julio Jones? Les Snead was a part of that decision. Things didn't pan out for the Falcons in the playoffs this year, but that doesn't fall on the Julio Draft. They acquired what they needed. At all costs. Les is a man who is going to do that for us.
Tim Ruskell. No, I do not like this anymore than anyone else. He sucked in Seattle, and he'll suck here too. However, there is an upside to this, If Teddy and the bears hire this man and we free fall next year, then the organization receives a complete renovation from Top to Bottom and Teddy, your ass is grass.
Coaching
HC-Lovie Smith. Is as a top ten coach in the NFL. The decision to keep Lovie on in my opinion was sound. However, I would not have made that statement until after the hire of a new GM and allowed him to appear publicly to say it was his decision to keep Lovie. He is no Bill Belichick, but the only coaches I would want taking over the Bears after the Lovie era are either Bill Cowher or Tony Dungy. He has a sound understanding of Defense and the Players respect him and want to play for him.
OC-Mike Tice. Smart decision. If the next year fails, the OC job is as good as gone anyhow so selling this position to the top OC's available would have been tough. Besides that, Tice actually understands balance on offense and has been a direct contributor to some of the most successful offenses in recent history with the Jaguars and the Vikings. Allowing him a wide receiver coach may be unorthodox, but it will ease the transition and allow him another perspective.
QB Coach Jedd Fisch. He has experience as a QB coach and he worked with Jay Cutler in Denver. We lost out on Loggains. This man is the next best step.
DC Rod Marinelli. The man knows what he is doing and understands how to make the Tampa Two work. His defense is best when rested which requires some cooperation from the offense. If he acquires another solid pass rusher and an heir to Brian Urlacher, this man will be happy.
Free Agents
Chicago has roughly 50.1 million dollars of available cap space for the 2012 season. This should be plenty of money to nail down our own free agents and the most appealing agents of the 2012 class.
Matt Forte. Pay the man, He deserves it. However, pay him within reason. Forte is searching for a contract that has a high amount of money guaranteed. How off were the Bears last year? About 3 million. Offer him a four year deal at 35 million with 18.5 guaranteed. This is an offer that will please him and solidify one of our greatest weapons. Cost for 2012? 8.75 Million. remaining space = 41.35 Million.
Lance Briggs. The man has a point. He has been nominated to seven straight pro bowls. That is impressive. And he does deserve a restructured contract. This year. Offer him a three year, 18 million dollar contract at 6 million per year with a 750,000 per pro bowl appearance. Cost in 2012? 6.75 million. Space = 34.6 million.
Vincent Jackson. He is a beast of a receiver and he will shine in Chicago. He is 29 and still has four good years left at least. Offer him 40 million dollars with 20 of it guaranteed and a he'll show you how good Jay Cutler can really be. Cost in 2012? 10 million. Remaining Space? 24.6 million.
Brandon Marshall. No, he is not a free agent. However, he will fit nicely in Chicago and Jay wants him back. Well, listen to your franchise Quarterback. Brandon is within reach by trading our two 3rd round picks. He has a lot of money remaining on his contract, but you are now competing against Green Bay and New Orleans. And you can beat them. Soundly. Two beast receivers combined with Johnny Knox and Dane Sanzenbacher make for one hell of a receiving core. Cost in 2012? 9 million. Remaining space? 15.6 Million.
2012 Draft.
With 15.6 million remaining in Cap Space, and many positions solidly addressed, the bears can now pursue less expensive positions in the draft and begin to rebuild a solid foundation.
1st Pick- Having addressed the receiver position through Free Agency, and seeing as the corner position is strong in this draft class, and the QB position is weak, there are two positions the bears need with this pick. However, it will come to most talented remaining on the board. Either Offensive Lineman or Linebacker. The solid LT's will be gone by this point. Personally I would like to see the bears 1st pick go to....
LB-Vontaze Burfict. Beast, Defiler, the source of all my pain. Vontaze the Vicious. Voracious Vontaze has been described as "What you get after kicking Ray Lewis's Dog". His highlight videos show ferocity, intimidation, and sheer power. Forget Kuechly. This is what a Bear looks like. The heir Apparent to the LineBacking core of Chicago is waiting to bring the pain.
2nd Pick- Offensive lineman. Mike Tice can find a solid contributor here.
3rd Round- (2) traded to Miami
4th Round- As I said, this years class has depth at corner. Though unlikely, it is possible to secure a contributing corner here with the potential to develop into a solid contributor.
5th Round- Offensive Lineman.
6th Round- Offensive lineman.
7th Round- I realize that none of you will like this. However, there is something to be said for correcting your mistakes. This pick should be a gift to the Baltimore Ravens. Why? Why would we do that? Because it is the right thing to do. Most 7th rounders do not last in the NFL. And Jerry could have potentially destroyed relations with a respected and prominent franchise. Let's show the NFL and the Ravens that we are classy and are taking a step in the right direction. Give them the pick. It doesn't hurt us, and it mends the future of an organization that was built on strength, power and Class.
We are missing a solid Defensive line acquisition. And we need new field turf. I know. Who knows, perhaps this article will serve as a blue print for Les Snead and Teddy. They are in the NFL after all and may have savvier ideas than mine. However, they should at least read this. Bear Nation would be ecstatic.
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Not too bad my man, I agree with most of this post.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
It's good to know
that there are only two candidates for GM.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Burfict
I stopped reading after that.
List of Reasons why he’s a poor choice as a Tampa-2 MLB
1) He’s rather slow
2) He’s piss poor in coverage
3) He’s absolutely not a sideline to sideline linebacker.
4) He’s definitely more of a 3-4 ILB than a 4-3 MLB
List of Reasons why he’s a poor choice as the Chicago Bears 1st round pick.
1) Defensive End is much more of a need than a LB of Burfict’s character.
2) If it was going to be a LB in Chicago, he’s got have potential to cover ala Kuechy
3) Urlacher and Briggs aren’t at the end of their career yet, nor are they in a significant decline. Next years ILB’s also look pretty good too, and maybe a bit deeper. JT Thomas also exists as a player and may be Heir Apparent.
So. Yeah. I disagree 100% with every pick in your draft. I disagree with your needs. I disagree with your assessment.
I don’t disagree though that Les Snead would be bad. I’m more of a Sundquist fan myself. But that’s me.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
I love it!
Even Bears faux-GMs have critics!
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 11, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Your Opinion...
Counts! I appreciate your list of reasons. I disagree, but I guess we will both see in time.
"Rangers Lead the Way"
Why do you disagree?
What do you disagree with?
If you could, please elaborate what from the ‘Why we don’t need to pick Burfict’ tier is wrong, or contrary to reasonable expectations of the Bears as an organization.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 11, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Why are you so in his face about what HE thinks? It's his idea but that doesn't mean it's the right or wrong one. Chill out!
by frenchbears113 on Jan 11, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Because I like to know WHY people disagree.
Saying ‘I disagree’ and leaving it at that leaves no insight, no rationale, there’s no meaning, and maybe they weren’t holding strong opinions beforehand.
Just because it’s ‘your opinion’ doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to back it up with evidence to support your opinion. If you don’t have evidence to back up your opinions, you’re not actually saying anything substantive, and essentially engaging in baseless speculation.
I like to know when people think I’m wrong, I like to know what we can agree about. I may vehemently disagree with someones position (ala FF09;s thread), but every time, I try to back it up with evidence that proves my point. It’s something I expect out of others and I expect from myself.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 11, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
To Awfully Quiet.
1.The first reason I disagree with you is that Burfict is actually very fast. Frighteningly fast. Perhaps you would like to Youtube his video chasing down the ISU quarterback and knocking him four yards backwards.
2. He actually can play side to side very well. He does have a tendency to over penetrate the line, but he also is not playing with an NFL quality line and in goal lne situations he would be ideal.
3. He is hard working. And has no off field character issues. In fact, he just loves football and has a true desire to play.
4. Burfict fits the mold of one of the greatest line backers to ever play the Game. Ray Lewis. I’d like to see a man like that come to Chicago and learn from Brian Urlacher.
Regarding your complete disagreement with my draft needs. I feel, as many others do, that the offensive line does need to be addressed in the draft, as well as corner. You are entitled to disagree. 100% It’s your God Given Right.
That being said, there is a polite and courteous way to go about it. You do not have to be so rude. Before you go calling me “weak” or some other derogative term, I fought as a U.S. Army Ranger for half of the last decade and lived in Baghdad for the last 6 years as a Government Contractor. Being strong in your convictions is admirable, however, please remember that they are YOUR convictions. You do not see me being so rude to you. Thank you for reading my article. I appreciate your time and if you have further questions, you may ask them.
And thank you Frenchbears113 for coming to my defense.
Bear Down!
"Rangers Lead the Way"
No problem and I have no qualms with awfullyquiet either. I just think there's a way to critique and criticize someone's post on here without coming off as po'd or whatever because you chose to voice your opinions.
Btw, thank you for your service! I’m trying to get accepted into Marine OCS myself.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 11, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Lol this is the biggest line of bullcrap I have ever read
3. He is hard working. And has no off field character issues. In fact, he just loves football and has a true desire to play.
Dude has the worst attitude coming out of the draft.
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Thanks for replying promptly.
I absolutely agree that offensive lines need to be addressed in the offseason. I may have missed adequately agreeing with that after getting in a tizzy about Burfict. The issue is: going blanket R2 OL R3 OL R5 OL R6 OL does little to actually give insight. Who do you like? Who’s going to be available? What can you offer of your opinion?
I would also contend that I’m being rude. I can be blunt, and to the point. I thought I was absolutely expressing those views as succinctly as possible. There was something I wanted to know from you, and there was an answer to be had. You eventually complied, I got what I wanted to know. I don’t see any fault in either party with that. My reply to FrenchBears was based on a common internet phenomena of people to spew opinions but unable to back them up with anything relevant. It’s a common occurrence, and if you spend any time on the internet talking football, you’ll know why I seek rationale with people who state their own opinion with words such as you did.
I have no reason to call you weak. I don’t particularly care one way or another, this is the internet. That said:
1 & 2) These go hand in hand. First, I think you’ve overevaluated his speed in designed blitzes (like the one vs Idaho State). He can close fast, but that doesn’t mean he’s fast. He’s extrodinarly good as a blitzer. I will absolutely 100% no bones about it concede that. It’s arguably his best skill: Attacking the passer. But, that said, how much do the Bears LB’s blitz? How often are the LB’s in the backfield getting after the QB. Not much. What does that mean for the value of Burfict to the bears? Insofar as his sideline to sideline, he has AVERAGE at best speed. That’s as far as I can go because of how much he relies on his reaction speed (which is pretty darn good)… It allows him to play ‘better’ in coverage, because he’s in position easier, but, in the bigger, faster, NFL. I don’t think that translates in ability to play MLB. His speed is an asset as an MLB, but, he’s no faster than Kuechly. If Burfict was as good as you say he is in coverage, why did he come out in nickel packages at ASU? Wouldn’t you say the coverage ability is one of the major necessities of a linebacker in the Bears defense?
3) Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. #3 is ALL wrong, and there is mounting evidence against that. Against Cal, I saw him JOG. JOG. J.O.G. when the ball passed him. Sofele was like, lol. And there was No recovery speed. He loafed it. Loafed it. Seriously Loafed it. Sure he’s high motor. When he’s on, he’s on. But, how do you harness that energy? How do you make sure he doesn’t take plays off? Ray Lewis, Urlacher doesn’t take plays off quite like I’ve seen Burfict do in college.
When it comes to off the field character issues, other than him punching his teammate in the face (ala Olin Kreutz), he has plenty on the field issues. Such as refusing to come back to play in his last game as a Devil when the coaches asked him to.
The fact he declared also I think hurts his maturity question… Seriously. If he went back for another year, I’d might change my opinion on his maturity, work ethic and overall mental readiness for the NFL. But as of today, he looks to be a faulty, loaded gun who is extraordinarily talented for the right system, none of which are in the Bears plans.
4) Sure, he’s a LB sort of in the mold of Ray Lewis… The major difference is his recognition of plays and his tendency to overshoot. Ray Lewis is one of the more intelligent tactician LB’s who has great skill, but a head and control to match. Ray Lewis plays hard, and violent, but with significant more control than Burfict has in college. It really reminds me of watching Troy Polamalu and how violent he played in college (and still plays, and gets flagged for, and fined and criticized for playing dirty and what not). The real question is, and what I was aiming at with the secondary list of why it’s not a good idea is:
Is this the best linebacker over the past 3 years? Is there going to be someone as good for the bears as you think Burfict is in that time period going forward?
My answer is: No… He’s a high upside, scary, violent, hard hitter who over pursues, doesn’t always work his gap assignements, and is a scary force over the middle who has good reaction time and above average short range movement who’s great at blitzing, but pretty poor in coverage. He isn’t the type of LB the Bears should be into.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 11, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Luke Kuechly is my pick for LB if he's there when we pick
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
me too
but i havent seen him even come close to the bears in any mocks. mocks are like excuse… everyone has one. but still
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, Kuechly should be gone by the time we pick.
But if he was still there within a few picks, I wouldnt mind packaging our extra third and a low pick in 2013 to move up and get him. He looks like he could be Urlachers replacement better than anyone else.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Awfullyquiet is
awfully right.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
I'm not sure I agree with the idea
of going out and getting two wide receivers, and not getting around to addressing that whole “line can’t block” issue until the fourth round of the draft.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Re-read
The O-line is addressed in the 2nd, 5th and 6th rounds. The 4th round was selected to pick a potential corner. Regardless, who knows what happens draft day!
As for there only being two GM’s on the list. I’m sure there are more. Feel free to give me names to look up!
"Rangers Lead the Way"
He picked Oline in the 2nd
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Do not give the Ravens a thing
stuff happens in the war room… the Ravens did the same thing to the Vikes a few years prior. Did they give a draft pick to them… no.
The Ravens got their guy, they didn’t lose a thing in the failed transaction, the only loser in the situation was Jerry Angelo for looking like a boob. The Bears apologized, time to move on.
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 11, 2012 1:28 PM CST reply actions
And JA did look like a boob.
This is business. If there’s laws that were broken, the Ravens would have a pick. If not, it’s just baseless whining.
Part of me also thinks that that may be why if the Bears contacted DeCosta first, the Ravens were like, nuh uh, you get nothing. NO ONE GETS ANYTHING NOW.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 11, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
DeCosta spurned all the teams looking for a GM
he wants the Ravens gig when Ozzie leaves
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 11, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I 'know' that...
But it’s pretty inside my fantasy world.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
I remember someone saying it wasn't the same situation with the Ravens/Vikes.
Along the lines of it not being the Ravens’ fault that the call didn’t get made or go through?
If I remember correctly the Vikings were skipped in the draft waiting on the Ravens
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 12, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
seriously
angelo is gone. wth does that have to do with the bears going forward. just give them a 7th? lol really?
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
First off theres to many free agent WRS why would u trade draft picks if u dont have too.
You can sign 2 WRS from the free agent class which is what iwould do and also sign a CB.This would make the draft alot easier.
1 round: OL
2.DL/Ol
3.LB
3.Pick best player
My Reasoning...
I just don’t see the bears being able to sway to free agent WR’s in the free agent market and Miami has glaring rebuilding needs. Drafting truly is a tough job and I appreciate your desires to build the Bears through the draft. I feel it is a very solid move. However, I would like to see the Bears balance with “Win Now” mode and still select wisely through the draft. Why play it safe at this point?
"Rangers Lead the Way"
you sway with cash
money talks. and they get cutty throwing them the rock
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
And everyone knows the team is one good WR away from doing stupid stuff on offense.
I’m sure prospective WR’s have thought of that.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 12, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Same thing w/ LT
Regardless of what you think of Tice, the LT position is a much better job now than it was a year ago.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
by Bearsh!tt!n on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
"the LT position is a much better job now than it was a year ago."
That basically says very little, like being the tallest at midget camp
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
Muggsy Bogues will find you.
No, really, outside of that Minnesnowda game, the line has taken some steps, and I think another offseason of work will be a very positive point for the team which was DECIMATED BY INJURIES.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
The OL has taken lots of steps
some forward, some backwards and a whole bunch in circles. This is especially true of Webb. He might become a quality LT, but they would be fools to assume as much and not pursue another just in case.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 14, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
If you were a veteran LT FA
Chicago might seem like a much more desirable destination to take your talents to, now that Martz is out and Tice is in at OC, am I right?
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
by Bearsh!tt!n on Jan 13, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Can you name a veteran LT FA who would be willing to come to chicago?
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Wish I could
But can you name a veteran LT FA who’d rather play here for Martz?
That said, I like Webb. Especially in any offense, that isn’t predicated upon All-Pro level play from it’s LT, to be successful.
But I also don’t want to go into next season with him as the anointed starter.
And further, I don’t think anybody available in the draft at #19 could clearly beat him out for the job.
So, one veteran LT FA; no miracles, just solid /serviceable, make Webb earn the job. And with “not-martz” calling the plays, I think we have here an above-average OLine.
Am I wrong? Probably more than once, but that’s what I think.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
by Bearsh!tt!n on Jan 14, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Orlando Pace...
Wait…
I’m just saying LT FA’s don’t grow on trees, and we’re going to get what we have… which is Webb.
Which is okay.
Which still means we should draft O-Line talent. Big Athletic Linemen to play tackle, in a place that’s probably respectable which would be anywhere but the first round…
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 14, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome. Looking forward to a nice cold Guiness.
"Rangers Lead the Way"
by Bears_GM on Jan 11, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you steal some cap space il join u in on a few beers.
Thats anthor thing if t hey have 50 mil in cap i bet they will wanna hold on to 1/2 of it like always.
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Giving away a draft pick is stupid
Jerry is gone so the Ravens should stop being whiny ass babies. Move on.
Vontaze Burfict … Idk… He really seems like a legit bust to me. All the physical ability, but he doesn’t have the work ethic, or positive attitude that makes a good NFL player. I think he’d be a busted pick.
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
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LMFAO...
as I was reading through these comments, I saw the last part of your sentence…“ass babies”. I started to move toward the urban dictionary and then re-read your comment. Had to share that! Would that be me playing the white card?!?!
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
lmao !!!
Ass babies… dude… I foresee a new word binge for myself
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
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Good write-up, GM, about the 2 receivers, signing not in our life time, even with-out JA. I would really like them to be actually able to develop talent, like the Pack and Steelers do. First rd almost always belongs to D-line for us , as it should this year. We need to put these QB’s on the run , in our division especially, everything starts up-front.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 11, 2012 3:51 PM CST reply actions
i dont like any of the DEs where we are picking in the first
compared to other positions. later rds id be down for some DE
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Two 3rd rounders for Marshall?
People should stop making these ridiculous Marshall trade scenarios.
Also picking Burfict over Kuechly for the Bears, no way.
You're never a loser until you quit trying - MIke Ditka
BRIGGS
he deserves no new contract. im not about to look at the total amount but it was a very nicely. he signed a front loaded contracted. so he got most of the money the first 3 yrs. guess when he starts bitching? the 4th yr where there is no bonus and his salary per yr decreases in the back end. he already got the bulk of his money for the contract.
it so ridiculous to even consider doing his contract over.
and what do you mean the qb position is weak?
as highlighted in the 1st pick section. you wanted a qb there? is that right or am i just an idiot?
Although I dont agree 100%, I see where he was going with the QB 1st rounder idea (if thats what he was implying)
It would kind of be a Green Bay scenario. They selected Rodgers in the first when everyone knew Favre still had a couple of years left. It seems to be that reoccuring theme of building in the draft.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
not a bad idea
but i think we still have 2-3 more yrs before thinking about grooming cuttys replacement ala gb where hes on the bench for like 2 yrs
Several opinions...
I do not get the VJax love. Never 70+ catches, bad catch rates, whined/sat out, better options available. Yes, he’s better than our WRs, but likely not worth the money he’ll get.
As in every post I see this… why on earth does Miami trade Marshall for two 3rd rounders? Why not a 4th and 5th for Calvin Johnson since we are making up trade scenarios. If Miami trades Marshall for two 3rds their whole front office should be fired.
Another point I find myself repeating… it’s impossible to project a position to draft each round. Depends who falls/Free Agency. Bears have needs at OT/WR/DE/LB/CB/S and maybe OC/OG that can all use legitimate upgrades depending on who falls where.
I do like Snead (my 3rd choice behind the unavailable DeCosta and McKenzie).
Also love the idea of giving a 6th or 7th to Baltimore. Really close the book on the Angelo era.
by IOftenPanic on Jan 12, 2012 8:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions
They traded 2 seconds for him nearly 2 years ago.
Since then, they gave him a phat contract and he’s underperformed rather severely compared to his Broncos days. He’s averaging nearly 20 fewer receptions a season and about 100 total yards less than what he was doing in Mile High.
There’s also Anquan Boldin getting traded for a 3rd and 4th 2 years ago. And the Brandon Lloyd trade for a 5th round draft pick.
Basically, WRs don’t generally demand too much in terms of draft picks in a trade. 2 3rds is roughly market value based on how the market has set itself over the last couple of years. They won’t get back the 2 2nds they traded for him a couple years ago, but he’s probably worth more than a single 5th rounder.
Perhaps that's "market value"...
…but my two points are:
1. I don’t see why Miami makes this deal.
2. It’s insane to trade a 80 catch/1200 yard #1 WR with Matt Moore throwing to him… for two 3rd rounders.
In all fairness his stats haven’t gone down as much as you’ve said. In 2010 he didn’t play in two games and fought depression or something like that, and in 2011 he had the 2nd highest YPC in his career. Both years in Miami were with a marginal QB, bad o-line and not much else in terms of offense versus Cutler, a good o-line and a solid season or two by guys like Royal. He still had one of the better seasons by a WR in the league (though obviously not on a Calvin Johnson level).
I repeat… if Miami trades Marshall for two 3rds I take that in a heartbeat and trade with them every day of the week, because their front office is apparently fool of idiots.
JayCutler6: No brainer RT @KRock_19: @Shields3L Just read Bears could potentially trade their 3rd round picks for @BMarshall19 ….opinion?
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 12, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
He must be a fan of ECD's posts on this site
by frenchbears113 on Jan 12, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
If we get Marshall for two 3rds...
…I would take that in a heartbeat. I see no reason why Miami takes that, though. Their WRs are worse than ours past Marshall.
Color me skeptical but hopeful.
by IOftenPanic on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because Miami needs a BUNCH of help.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 13, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
No to Briggs' contract request
He is getting less now because his contract was front-loaded, which is what players rightfully want. He’s not worth the money he wants, as he is no longer that young and doesn’t get crazy sack numbers – granted, that’s not really his role, but sacks play a role in salary. He got the front-loaded contract he wanted last time. If he’s that angry, tell Rosenhaus to get a team to trade us a 2nd round pick for him.
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