Chicago Bears announce four General Manager candidates
by Dane Noble on Jan 11, 2012 6:47 PM CST
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PrintPer the team's Twitter account, the Chicago Bears will be interviewing Phil Emery, Jason Licht, Jimmy Raye and Marc Ross.
Jason Licht is the Director of Pro Personnel for the New England Patriots. Licht started with the Pats in 1998 as a scout, then worked his way up the ranks before leaving for the Eagles and Cardinals for a few years between 2002-2007. He then rejoined the team in 2008.
Phil Emery rose from the college scouting ranks, and is currently the Kansas City Chiefs Director of College Scouting. He has over 30 years of football experience.
Jimmy Raye has most recently been the Director of Player Personnel with the San Diego Chargers. He is a highly-respected executive in the league, despite being in a somewhat unstable environment in sunny south California.
Marc Ross is also a veteran of college scouting, having spent years with the Giants and Eagles in executive-level scouting roles. He helped contribute to some very successful rosters, and is also well-respected candidate for the team to consider.
And finally, we would be remiss if we didn't mention that, just because these four names were mentioned doesn't mean that the Bears won't consider other candidates as well, including their own internal candidate Tim Ruskell.
Stay tuned...
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At first sight, this looks like
a list I’d make if I wanted the internal candidate for the job… Is there more information on these guys?
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
I'll bet there is some more info floating around somewhere...
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 11, 2012 7:14 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
There is...
But most of it has me thinking Ruskell is not the darkhorse candidate he should be, if even that..
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
Jason Licht would use Ruskell as a doormat.
Or possibly as a paper weight.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Ross...
seems to have been mentioned more than once, and he makes sense. He has been part of the building a d-line that arguably won a SB single-handedly. They run the same base system as the Bears on defense and has an eye for building solid rushing offenses. He makes the most sense from the perspective of fit and experience.
Licht is a good candidate as he has worked in a drafting system that is smart and based on legit BPA philosophy. I’m not sure the Pats have been particularly good at drafting/acquiring defensive talent. He would be a better choice if the Bears are looking more-long term for their success.
Emery and Raye seem like “camp-bodies” for the GM search.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
The Giants have also picked some really good WR's
by Ryan21 on Jan 12, 2012 4:33 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Nicks, Manningham, Smith
Cruz…its disgusting…throw in Ramses Barden as your 4th guy who’s a HUGE target and you’ve got an embarrassment of riches at the position…I mean how often do you lose a Pro-Bowl WR in Smith and gain another in Cruz
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Cruz ain't just a Pro Bowler at receiver
He set numerous Giant records last season. That guy is ultimately what Jerry hoped Devin would be on offense; an explosive playmaker.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I assume you're talking about the 90's team.
Cause the last one Eli had a ton to do with winning that game. Hanging up 17 points on the Pats with two touchdowns in the 4th quarter isn’t exactly nothing.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Marc Ross or Jimmy Raye would be my choices from the list.
Anyone not named Belichek has been a failure from the Patriots, so I would stay clear of them. As for the Chiefs…they got talent but not enough for me to want to raid their front office.
by Silence_Dogood on Jan 11, 2012 7:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I concur...and it sounds like the Bears do too...
mikecwright Michael C. Wright
by ESPNChiBears
Source w/knowledge of the situation said Marc Ross and Jimmy Raye “are high on [the Bears’] short list.”
So everyone from the Patriots sucks.
Damn, that Belichek guy must do everything by himself…
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by GriggsBriggs on Jan 11, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
didn't they have a real good GM there at som point?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 11, 2012 9:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Are director of pro and player personnel
basically the same executive position?
I’d like Ross to be the next Bears GM.
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It is an executive-level position,
but under the GM. The easy way to remember it is the GM is the top of the personnel tree, with Director of Pro Personnel and Director of College Scouting branching off under him.
Of course, that is over-simplified, and some clubs have the Director of College Scouting under the Dir. of Pro Personnel, but all teams will have two separate divisions for college and pros, both divisions which fall under the GM. Also, there are many different job titles for those executive level positions that do the same thing.
I'm a ninja.
Makes sense
I vote for someone (Ross) who is a stud at evaluating collegiate talent.
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by propheteer on Jan 11, 2012 7:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I just mentioned in a tweet that Cliff Stein could influence the Bears decision-making process.
He has been an integral part of pro contract negotiations, so the team could choose to look more seriously at a collegiate guru while depending on Stein to play a bigger role in pro negotiations…
I'm a ninja.
isn't Ruskell known more for his pro evaluations?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 11, 2012 8:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Stein is strictly negotiations and contracts
Is this correct? I don’t believe he does any player evaluating.
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Correct. I didn't mention Stein as an evaluator,
but the contract negotiation part is probably the biggest key in acquiring free agents. Let Lovie go grab them on a plane, and bring them to Cliff to schmooze them, instead of leaning so much on the GM.
I'm a ninja.
Here's some more on Ross:
Marc Ross is in his fifth season as the Giants’ Director of College Scouting, where he’s responsible for the college scouting department and the team draft. He’s been responsible for picks such as Pierre-Paul, Mario Manningham, and others.
Ross started with the Giants in 1995 as an intern, and upon leaving there went to the college world. He then returned to the NFL with the Eagles, where he was promoted from regional scout to College Scouting director. During his time there, he was responsible for drafting players like Brian Westbrook, Lito Sheppard, and others.
From the Eagles, he went to the Bills, before returning to the Giants in 2007.
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Thanks.
Can any of these choices easily beat out Ruskell in the interview process?
So Ross has 5 yrs w/ the Giants, 2002(?) w/ the Eagles. The Bills?
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
Giants have had talent for a while, so I like the option.
BTW – I am fully prepared to be made to look “silly” by the Bears for doubting them. And, as a Bears fan, I hope that is what happens.
I'm not sure
I agree with that. Their defense is just awful, and they haven’t been able to draft a complemetary wide receiver pretty much ever.
I am trying not to associate a candidate's worth with the franchise he has been employed by.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 11, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
mikecwright Michael C. Wright
Hearing that Jason Licht’s specialty is finding obscure talent such as Danny Woodhead. #Bears
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by David in Maine on Jan 11, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Emery's hits...
ESPNChiBears Dickerson and Wright
A few of Phil Emery’s draft choices in Atl & KC include: Matt Ryan, Roddy White, Eric Berry, Justin Blalock and Matt Schaub.
3 minutes ago
That's a nice..a
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On Ross...
ESPNChiBears Dickerson and Wright
Some notable players Marc Ross drafted in New York include: Jason Pierre-Paul, Hakeem Nicks, Ahmad Bradshaw (7th round) and Kevin Boss.
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Ross
I think that I would be very comfortable with Ross. Consider the D-line and the talent on offense…seems like he can evaluate talent…
Ross's 2007 draft (the draft that made them SB Champs)
Aaron Ross CB- Current starter
Steve Smith WR- Giants possession WR before going to Eagles (1 Pro Bowl)
Jay Alford DT- Servicable rotation lineman; known for final sack in SB that clinched the game
Zak DeOssie LB/LS- The Giants best ST’er (2 Pro Bowl)
Kevin Boss TE- The starting TE after Shockey departed, now current starter in Oakland
Adam Koets OL- Reserve Tackle
Micheal Johnson FS/SS- Serviceable Safety that started for a season and a half.
Ahmad Bradshaw- One of the Giants duo of RB with Jacobs; Starter.
I see this draft as one of the best drafts ever, which is why I support Marc Ross 2012 (Trademarked)
Oh yeah?
1 31 (31) Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL)
2 30 (62) Daniel Bazuin DE Central Michigan
3 29 (93) Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois
3 30 (94) Michael Okwo OLB Stanford
4 31 (130) Josh Beekman G Boston College
5 30 (167) Kevin Payne S Louisiana-Monroe
5 31 (168) Corey Graham CB New Hampshire
7 11 (221) Trumaine McBride CB Mississippi
7 31 (241) Aaron Brant
Here is Angelo’s draft that year. We got a solid one-dimensional tight end in the first, then Angelo fell asleep with his nose on the “autodraft” key for 5 rounds, then we got Corey Graham, who turned into a special teams ace in his 5th season.
Boom, lawyered. Angelo is better.
by tomas21 on Jan 11, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
God. Look at that draft.
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by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 11, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
I still get angry about the Bazuin pick...
the Bears could easily have picked him up as a UDFA! And didn’t they trade T Jones for that pick as well? That might rival the Haynes pick for stupidest mistake in drafting history.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Stupidest Mistake? Two Words
JaMarcus Russell
Ruseell
was worse. BUT, at least they wanted him, targeted him, and drafted him. The Bears didn’t want Haynes and had done hardly any work on him. They traded down thinking they could get their guy, and he was gone, and they got caught absolutely unprepared. They ended up taking Haynes in a sort of, shrug shoulders, “I guess I’ll take him then” kind of move.
It was an embarrasing moment in Angelo’s tenure, up there with the Warrick Holdman checkbox, the Ravens deal, and what he did to Starks getting revealed.
Dear God, what is that thing?
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by propheteer on Jan 11, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your ears you keep, and here's why.
“Dear God! What is that thing,” will echo in your perfect ears. That is what to the pain means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
so bad
after this offseason not a single player will still be here after that draft
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2 of those guys are still in the NFL
Graham and Olsen
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Jimmy Raye
ESPNChiBears Dickerson and Wright
Jimmy Raye was SD Director of College Scouting from 2000-07, then bumped up to oversee both pro and college scouting departments.
ESPNChiBears Dickerson and Wright
Since 2000, Chargers have drafted the likes of LT, Drew Brees, Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles, Michael Turner and Shawne Merriman.
1 minute ago
Also
Ryan Matthews, Phillip Rivers, Antonnio Gates, blah blah
Chargers are always full of talent
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I LOL at all the "Bears are dropping the ball run for the ledge" people
At 1st glance it Looks like they did plenty of research and have their guys.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM CST via Android app reply actions
The fact that they kept it under wraps until they wanted people to know is pretty impressive
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by EmmCeee on Jan 11, 2012 8:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
shhh
Don’t tell anyone
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 11, 2012 8:04 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
lol
and the “We dont know what the Bears are doin so they’re doing nothing” people get an LOL as well
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by EmmCeee on Jan 11, 2012 8:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
well
now we know. see that wasnt so hard
lol i think they saw ur post earlier
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by EmmCeee on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I will be one of the first
to line up and eat my share of crow should this work out… It would be my pleasure to be wrong on this one.
You sir get the peter griffin laugh
hehehehehe (lol)
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by EmmCeee on Jan 11, 2012 8:10 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I, as well.
It’s not over yet, so we may not be wrong.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
If Snead or McKenzie
was on their list then they did drop the ball. We will never know.
Oh please...
you cannot seriously say that you didn’t sh!t a brick when Tim Ruskell’s name was not immediately shot down.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
I figured if they were gonna hire Ruskell it wouldve been done quickly
Wouldnt have been a reason to draw things out plus they saod they wanted a guy outside of halas hall
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by EmmCeee on Jan 11, 2012 10:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sean Jensen @skjensen
Common thread in the four #Bears GM candidates who will be interviewed: college scouting backgrounds.
Angelo sux……haha
Sounds like Lombardi
might have been on to something with his talk that the GM would be in charge of the draft, but otherwise Lovie is the decision-maker, with Stein doing the contract work.
McCaskey said in his conference that
he wants someone heavily involved in college scouting
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Almost.
He said he wanted someone to focus on closing the roster talent-gap between the Bears and their division rivals. But, yes, that includes drafting worth half a damn.
I'm a ninja.
I'm pretty sure I heard him say something about he wants someone with a
talent evaluating background
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sweet
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Well now we got something to work with now . Ross & Raye .....
…. are my personal favorites , but I’d kinda like to see Snead get a peek .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM CST reply actions
Snead doesn't seem to be
“on the list” and think he was pretty close to signing w/ St Louis….
by David in Maine on Jan 11, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
STLouisRams St. Louis Rams
Falcons Director of Player Personnel Les Snead in the building right now to talk about Rams’ general manager position.
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by David in Maine on Jan 11, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
skjensen Sean Jensen
Important to note that there could be another candidate or two. #Bears have thrown curve balls before.
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I believe JA...
should tell them how well “curve balls” work out. The Bears are not well known for their paradigm shifting boldness bringing them success.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Is that a final fantasy 13 reference there!?!
by edenburnz on Jan 11, 2012 11:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Doubtful
With LISTL, I’d either guess an LTE reference or none at all.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
paradigm shifting
HA! Im a nerd
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I bet one of them is Sundquist
Ted reached out to him before, and interviewed him last time during the last GM search.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
JA
I know nothing about these people but as long as they have never been hired by or worked with Jerry Angelo any of them can have the job.
Ummmmmmmmm
What about bill polian???
I’d b happy to make 4 sb in a row. Just sayin.
by TheGreatGrabowski on Jan 11, 2012 8:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
No way dude, you'd leave disgusted that you couldn't win one.
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by badsamaritan on Jan 11, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
My fingers crossed for Ross... Check him out... "Ross":http://www.giants.com/media-vault/videos/Dir-of-Scouting-Marc-Ross-on-Draft-Picks/46C97FEB-D77D-4F91-9F59-1DDF76088AD7
Before they announced this FINAL FOUR I was hoping that Ross would get a chance to interview. If Phillips sticks to his words at the “Angelo is Fired” press conference then the best talent evaluator, especially in the draft, gets the job and that would be Marc Ross.
He fits us perfectly. With his experience the price tag should be low and he would fit in this 4 headed leadership of Owner, CEO, GM and Coach fairly well. I’m assuming any experienced GM would want no part of this 4 headed monster. I live in NJ and have to listen to Giant & Jet fan radio all day and Giant fans want no part of losing Marc Ross. Some would rather lose their current GM and promote Ross.
The other candidates are solid but my choice would be Ross and my gut feeling is that he will be the guy. At same time, my gut feeling was Caleb Hanie was good enough to win half of his starts… So much for GUTS!
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Idk where everyone is getting Ruskell from
I have seen, nor heard anything from McCaskey that has shown any interest in promoting Ruskell. Unless I’m missing something, I don’t think he’s in the running
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They haven't publicly ruled him out,
and a couple of the beat guys keeping tabs have said it remains a possibility.
He’s probably not a leading candidate, but sometimes, if your top two preferences don’t work out, you have no choice but to pursue your #3.
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I wouldn't mind him
Not for a year. I mean… He wasn’t THAT bad of a screw up in Seattle, but if this season fails.. I wouldn’t want him to be the GM that is responsible for rebuilding the team
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He took the Seahawks from a Super Bowl to 4-12 in just 4 years
That’s not very good.
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by Joeb'n777 on Jan 11, 2012 10:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'm pretty sure he was part of the super bowl team
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
does that mean he wasn't part of the SB team? lol
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
i wouldnt hold him responsible for it
if thats what you mean
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
nope
i just said he was a part of it
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
So your point
is that he was part of it, but pretty much not responsible for any of it?
Good point.
right
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Correct
He was promoted to GM right before the Seahawks’ Super Bowl year. And, he drafted Lofa Tatupu amongst others. Except, after the Super Bowl, he simply tried too much and ruined the team in the process.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
lol never said he was good
just said wouldn’t mind it for 1 year
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
We can do better.
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by Bearsh!tt!n on Jan 12, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not willing to waste another one ....
…. of Urlacher & Peppers years so our front office can piddle around . Get me a GM that can draft & get some talent to help Lach & Pep get that ring !
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
barf
those look like hideous pinnies for some poor middle school
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I liked them. Not everyone is fired up about our orange jerseys.
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by boondock_saint812 on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
ahaha
whatever floats your boat dude…dude
by TR MacReady on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I actually liked them.
At least they were bold instead of barfing out the same old thing that every other team has done with their Alt’s. Lets either add black or use a ancient scheme. So creative.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 12, 2012 6:51 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair, Mike Holmgren deserves more credit for that than Ruskell does.
I took some time to research Ruskell deeper a couple of days ago for an upcoming story and found that thees a lot mor e to the Seattle collapse than Ruskell had control over. In fact Ruskell is probably more responsible for delaying the collapse than causing it.
I’ll admit i was definitely ignorant of what happened in Seattle. It’s not surprising…I’m a Bears writer and a Bears fan.
I’m not to the point of campaigning for Ruskell to get the job. I think there are better candidates. But having done some homework, I know know that Ruskell ISN’T a Angelo clone and isn’t the horrible option he’s made out to be by Bears fans, simply for an association with Angelo (Something Tony Dungy, Bill Belichick and Bill parcells all share with him).
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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 12, 2012 6:50 AM CST up reply actions
I like this list. I like it a lot.
***Jeff Fisher for front office 2012***
(A real change we can believe in)
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Lol, wasn't sure if anyone would make the connection
I need to watch that movie now.
***Jeff Fisher for front office 2012***
(A real change we can believe in)
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 11, 2012 9:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Optimistic but
it seems to me that the Bears are trying to go after second tier guys, looking for a hidden diamond in the rough and someone they can control. Well, time will tell if this was a good decision or not- if the team starts drafting well than Phillips will be regarded as a genius bean counter, if it fails he will just be a bean counter.
Ross' track record is impressive
And the other three have been scouting and directing for quite awhile. I’m starting to warm up to Raye cause he did college and pro personnel at the same time.
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ross
isnt a second tier guy imo. and the gent from SD looks pretty good as well. other than snead and sundkist(sp) not really sure of other barn burner names. not including dude from GB
Interesting fact
It’s not always good to hire a big named guy as GM. Look at Oakland, McKenzie is gutting that place. At least 5 Raiders fans that I know of are angered by his actions.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
yeah a lot of people are saying he's screwing them over
They were 8-8 last year and a few injuries away from winning the division. Not a smart thing to just completely rebuild
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
i really like how he had that team playing
the injury to DMC was bad tho. idk how much of a role he played in the trade for palmer but that was brutal imo
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I know Jackson is a big QB guy
So i’m guessing he pushed to get Palmer.. I doubt he had anything to do with giving up a first for him though
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
pretty ironic
jc and palmer are SO similar statistically as well. except palmer is way older
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
JC > Palmer
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Having the statement of "I want MY guy" shows that he wants complete control
Sure hope he enjoys sitting around and doing nothing in April, cause unless he trades his roster away, they don’t even have a draft in the first place.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Right
He should have waited for a year before destroying the place
That way he could have at least had a 1st round pick
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
i wouldnt say they are completely rebuilding
their OL and running game isnt going anywhere and their defensive players skills are not pigeon holed into one specific scheme
yes it will be a new offense and defense but that doesnt constitute the term rebuilding of a team that just went 8-8.
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
how does
firing your coaching staff and hiring new ones not constitute rebuilding? Sounds like rebuilding to me
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
i mean i guess
but i see the cubs as rebuilding. like from ground up. talent wise they are still a good team
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
ahh i getchya
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
eventhough i don't understand the Cubs reference
I don’t watch baseball
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
ahaha
i wish i could save myself from following the cubs
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Baseball just wasn't a big part of my upbringing
My house was always Bears and Bulls
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i see what ur saying
but it was only that guys first yr there. a little easier to cut ties and bring in who you want
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
everything i've heard about ross is good.
I really want him now. the guy knows how to draft and acquire role players to maximize the output of his superstars. And apparently he had a big say in bringing Hakeem Nicks aboard (which if you did that draft over, Nicks would easily be a top 15 pick).
Plus, the giants have always drafted D-linemen well while he’s been there, and made acquisitions when they had holes (see antrel rolle).
This is reasonably good news
Finally it appears we have a sense of who the Bears will go after. Now, what’s next is perhaps the most crucial; The Interviewing Process. I’m rooting for Marc Ross, his drafting and evaluation skills have been nothing short of fantastic.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:16 PM CST reply actions
put me in the Ross camp as well
to be fair, i haven’t read anything about the other guys but from what i read about ross is that he is quality guy to have
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
And guess who Raye could lure into Chicago from San Diego?
An all pro known as Vincent Jackson
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
That's the only reason I was ok with the talk of Norv Turner as OC
Obviously that didn’t pan out lol
But seriously look at who they’ve drafted in the years Raye has been there.. Exciting to think of
by edenburnz on Jan 11, 2012 11:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, their drafts have been quite good
However, the Chargers didn’t exactly know who to keep on their team. I mean, I don’t understand why they allowed Darren Sproles to leave?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Ya that's true
I’ve been amazed by how good he is, I didn’t think he’d pan out as well as he has for the Saints but he’s been awesome and seems he’s only getting better too
by edenburnz on Jan 11, 2012 11:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or Michael Turner
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Or LT
Matter of fact, the Chargers have been horrible retaining RBs. I certainly pray that wouldn’t carry over to the Bears, where they’re having their own issue with Matt Forte.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Idt thsat guy had any thing to do with the talent leaving
i think he was the guy that brought them in. not kept them
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by suckmyditka on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Letting LT go
when they did was a good call. Plus how do we know what Raye was responsible for there? AJ Smith is a pretty headstrong GM, he’s not exactly a guy to sit back and let his underlings do all the work.
Ehh.. I'm one of those guys who if someone was associated with the issue, I would have concerns
Guess we will never know who’s “brilliant” ideas they were in regards with letting both Turner and Sproles walk.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 12, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
So Tice was associated with the offensive line, and it was awful, so you're concerned about him?
Or maybe there are other factors that should be considered.
He may or may not of let those players go, could of been someone else's call
Who knows for sure but like I said prior out of those four he’s my choice by far, obviously tho my choice means squat.. Can’t believe I’m going to say this but currently thinking I’m just going to trust whatever decision the Bears make on GM this time
by edenburnz on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or Michael Turner for that matter
Actually the Chargers last few drafts have been bad. That’s why the defense regressed so much. I understand that the demise of Merriman had something to do with that.
It’s kind of an unmiracle that AJ Smith and Norv Turner were able to keep their jobs.
by Corncob Justice on Jan 11, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
that was the only reason you wanted norv as OC?
dude is a great offensive mind
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
It was the only reason I saw it as an upgrade over Martz
Think Turner would of been/ Tice is a lateral move, possibility of V Jax tipped the scales
by edenburnz on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
interesting
im very excited to see what tice can do with the offense as he understands the limitations of his OL, but norv could have the potential to give us an offense comparable to the higher octane offenses in the league. but maybe he would suffered the same fate as martz in working with what we ahve. who knows
by TR MacReady on Jan 12, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Turner would of needed at least a year or two
Martz still needed a year plus to really get the offense there.. Tice was a good move but I fear if he goes too run based it’ll be a set back an would squander Cutlers skills, Jaguars come to mind.. Run based, huge yards, no post season
by edenburnz on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He was the TEs coach in Jacksonville
I don’t think he had much bearing over the offensive play calling Lol
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I meant more just their run based program
Not Tice’s efforts there
by edenburnz on Jan 12, 2012 6:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Looks like the Bears made a list
I mean who doesn’t love a good list. I like lists a lot. I like to cross the items off after I’m done with them. I think it’s probably the best part about lists.
Jason Licht
Jimmy Raye
Phil Emery
Marc Ross
Tim Ruskell
DONE!
Say it ain't so?
Ruskell should stay where he’s at. That’s enough!
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
If there's one thing we know about this front office
it’s that it’s a lazy bunch of business people. Money-minded. Not football-minded and sure as hell not a group that likes to ruffle a lot of feathers (read: piss off their head coach). I’m cautiously optimistic this is just to show due diligence.
+1
What the McCaskeys should have done is fired Phillips and hired a “football” guru to come in and access everyone in the organization. Then, it would have been the new guru’s job to decide whether or not Angelo, Smith, Martz, etc. stay or go. Fireing Angelo and guarenteeing Smith will be here for another year was not only half-assed, but it sends a message to the rest of the league that the Chicago ownership doesn’t have a clue. What talented, intelligent, in-demand GM candidate is going to want to walk into a situation like this?
There are a couple issues here
First, Martz left on his own without being under contract. Second, the Bears are in a win-now mode. Canning Smith would’ve sent the wrong message to the veterans on defense, and also would’ve brought in a brand new system that they may or may not fit in.
I do agree that Phillips should be fired though. He’s a business man and an accountant, not a football operations kind of guy.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Thing is, the McCaskey's think the franchise is a business
Oh, wait.
Being a meatball not only makes me delicious, but it also makes me all warm inside.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
Phillips is not a "football" operations guy
Therefore, he belongs behind a desk – not making football decision, evaluating football talent, or those will in that direct role. Phillips should be the Bears’ corporate CFO or Controller, and they should hire a “real” President or VP of Operations to run all of the personnel-related, football decisions. Because Phillips is one of Virginia’s “pets” he’s been given way too much power and is completely in over his head.
This is me agreeing with you.
Being a meatball not only makes me delicious, but it also makes me all warm inside.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I think you're talking in circles on this one
What evidence do you have that Phillips has any say in any football-related personnel decisions, other than hiring the GM and having negligible input on the Head Coach (which is completely normal, as far as I know)? Does Phillips have any input in the draft room? Did Phillips decide to trade for Cutler or sign Peppers or let Kreutz walk? As far as I know, those are 100% the GM’s decisions. Did Phillips ever say that the next GM wouldn’t be able to hire nor fire the Head Coach in a year? Is there any proof that he had any influence in hiring Lovie?
The only football guru that needs to be hired is the General Manager. And I think most GM’s would at least run a head coaching hire by the President. Is Jed York, President of the 49ers, a ‘football guru’? Was Jerry Jones before he hired Jimmy Johnson? He hasn’t sniffed a Super Bowl since. Is Jonathan Kraft of the Patriots a ‘football guru’? Here’s a hint: He has an MBA from Harvard and he’s CEO of the Kraft Group. So I’m guessing, no, he’s not.
Ted Phillips’ job is to hire the GM, and and also call the mayor about a new stadium, staff the marketing office, the ticketing office, etc. You’re simply advocating one more level of management in between the CEO (Phillips) and the GM, when the GM should have all the personnel power anyway.
Okay, so he retained Lovie for one friggin’ year, because the players on the current playoff-caliber ballclub like and respect him. Big deal. Do you really think that will give pause to any truly viable GM candidates, who have the opportunity to run the Chicago Bears? Maybe it’ll scare away a few Machiavellian types, but maybe that’s a good thing, too, because the Bears are not a 4-win team.
Per your point below about Lovie being held accountable for his performance, this was a division-winning, playoff-level football club that was 19-9 since the beginning of last season before they lost half their offense (even more, in terms of true production) off a cliff of injuries. Seems like Lovie was on a hot streak, and he’s won in the past too. But the lack of depth at critical positions and lack of any true #1 WRs was Angelo’s crap sandwich to eat much more than Lovie’s.
by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 12, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, but
The new guru who replaced Phillips should have taken the whole “win now” mode and the player’s “Lovie loyalty” thing into account.
What message does firing Angelo send to them? Plus, maybe firing Smith shows them that (just like in real-life) if you under-perform at your job, you could be gone. The players are grown-ups and I’m sure it’s no secret to them that a lot of the fans (who pay their salaries) aren’t real happy with 1 playoff appearance in 5 years. They should understand that if the results are poor, changes will be made.
Apples and oranges
Angelo doesn’t interact or coach the players like Lovie does. Nor does he build life long relationships like Lovie does. They couldn’t give a crap about the GM.
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Me too
but these candidates seem pretty legit, have good track records of drafting, and know their craft. We’ll see in the next few days if they’re serious or not about hiring an outside guy.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
i love lists!!
and yes! the best part is crossing the items off
lol great murray clips as well sir !
by TR MacReady on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
You have a strange sense of optimism
I’m hoping that it’s to hire the most talented GM, not to show due diligence. I’m cautiously pessimistic about that. It’s a defense mechanism.
by Corncob Justice on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 PM CST reply actions
Like
raye and ross…..Not fond of licht bouncing around teams in 02 through 07…..Waddle and Silvy mentioned he got fired from philly….
Wish dorsey was on that list….Maybe they add him in the future but if he turned down one interview I think he might turn down others….
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