2012 Chicago Bears Roster Turnover: Quarterback
I wasn't planning on starting this off season series so soon, but here we are... I'll take a position by position look at who stays, who goes, and what moves I'd like to see. Even with no general manager in place I'll still speculate on the roster moving towards 2012. As Steven pointed out, there is a talent gap between the Bears and the other NFC North teams, and who ever ends up with the G.M. gig will have a lot of work to do, both in regards to free agency and the draft.
Just like we did last year we'll have access to some premium content (a must for the stat-driven football fan) from our friends over at Pro Football Focus to help look at the players. Check out Dane's interview with their founder Neil Hornsby that he did a while back.
Jay Cutler - Signed through 2013 - What a difference an off season makes. Last year at this time Cutler was questioned on many levels, this year his importance to the offense has never been more evident. It's a little worrisome that he'll be learning yet another offensive playbook. However, with Mike Tice getting the promotion the plan is to keep much of the terminology intact, but build around Jay's strengths. This should be a winning formula.
Pro Football Focus has Cutler rated as their 18th ranked QB, a 1 position drop from last year, but by taking a closer look at their numbers he got better as his season progressed. PFF gave him 2 negative grades in the first 3 games, and in his last 7 games he only had 1 negative grade (the London game). And his final game before the thumb injury he had his best rated game with a 6.9 overall.
Caleb Hanie - Free Agent - Don't get the Hanie situation twisted; damn near every NFL scout that would speak on the subject thought that Hanie would be a serviceable back up QB. Between his preseason work, his solid play in practice, and that bit of time in the NFC Championship game, it was universally thought that he would fine if pressed into action for any length of time. Most everyone was wrong, but I still think Hanie will be playing in 2012, just not in Chicago.
You think Hanie was bad, he wasn't the worst QB graded by PFF. Of the 79 players that threw a pass last year, Hanie was 61st. I'll bet you can't guess who #79 was... Here's a hint, it wasn't Tim Tebow (70).
Josh McCown - Free Agent - I think the Bears will want to bring McCown back, but I think his play may entice another team or two to throw an offer his way. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are a lot of bad QBs in the NFL right now. He showed some heady play and a good pocket presence in his couple starts. I'd like to see him brought back, and honestly if the Bears get in a bidding war for his services I think they should pony up. If QB is the most important player on the roster, then what does that make the #2 QB?
PFF did have McCown ranked higher than Hanie, he was up at 56.
Nathan Enderle - Signed through 2014 - Enderle will at least return to compete for the #3 job, even though he was a draft pick with the Martz system in mind, he's still under contract for relatively cheap. His job should by no means be a lock, but he'll be in camp competing.
2012 OUTLOOK - Last year I didn't want to see the Bears draft a QB, and I have the same feelings this year. Bring back McCown and another veteran to compete for the back up job. Finding a player that would come into a situation with no shot at unseating the top guy may prove to be a challenge, but some veterans may have come to grips with their NFL future and realize that's their best chance at sticking on a roster. Drew Stanton, Shaun Hill, David Carr, and Dennis Dixon are some veteran FA possibilities. Then there's free agent to be Rex Grossman... weirder things have hapened.
I'd also expect a young camp body or two to come in for a look early in camp, give Enderle someone to look over his shoulder at. Competition is always a good thing.
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Orton is a FA as well
and he wanted to return to Chicago. He would be a serviceable back up to Jay as well, and a back up job is what he is hoping for, I think.
If McCown leaves, i think Orton would be worth a look-see.
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM CST reply actions
Orton is a proven starter in this league
And I expect him to go to a team to start or to at least compete to start. No way he comes to Chicago.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 16, 2012 3:39 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
he got Tebowed out of Denver
from my understanding, he accepts that he’s not too far from serving in a back up role already. I doubt he’ll get a starting job unless its to fill in for a regular starter who got hurt, like this season.
I like Orton, was a fan of his time with the Bears, I’m just not convinced that he is still at the top of his game.
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Jan 16, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
name 32 QBs that are better than Orton
He’s not ready to settle into a team as the #2
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 16, 2012 4:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
its not that there are 32 better than him
its just that there are about 16 proven first stringers, and about 40 out there who can compete for the next 16 slots.
Flynn, a back up, has a better chance of starting somewhere than Orton right now. (that is, if Flynn is a FA next year, i cant remember).
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Jan 16, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Flynn is a FA this year .....
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 16, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah..
Except out of those 40..Orton is fairly high on the list. Considering how well he did with that Chiefs offense that was missing pretty much every major piece they had.
Orton stays in KC and competes with Cassel
for the starting qb job.
Orton would be a perfect fit in Seattle.
Seattle needs to groom a young starter and Orton could not only help the young offense grow but could also win at the same time. He seems destined to be underestimated. Don’t forget that he broke some of Brees’ records at Purdue, as a rookie played the Bears into the playoffs only to be replaced by a recovered Grossman who promptly lost.
Not so pessimistic about Hanie
Especially after seeing Aron Rodgers who has a 122.5 passer rating during the season play a game where he dropped to a 78.5 rating. Did you see how many passes were dropped? Wasn’t Hanie plagued by the same? There was also bad game calling by Martz, with the usual lateness in getting calls in to the huddle. I think it’s about time that the Bears stick with their developmental players instead of tossing them every time they don’t live up to the extremely high standards demanded of them.
Looking to see more of Levi Horn
They should draft a qb
its always good to draft qbs, especitally with jay’s injury history.
Jays injury history ???? What ????
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 16, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
He hasn't finished the last 2 seasons, which would be nice
It wouldn’t hurt to draft a decent backup in the 3rd round. But Jay’s a bit of a headcase and would feel threatened.
Jay's been very reliable
were not talking Matthew stafford here
by dicksingletary on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jay had two injuries
A knee ligament tear and a broken thumb (sustained on a tackle)
considering he’s pushed and thrown into the ground more than any other QB in the league, I’m ok with that. Look at the fat man from Pittsburgh – It’s true he plays at least 4 games every year with the potential to out him in a wheelchair, but at this point, he’s far closer to become the Six Million Dollar Man than Jay.
I believe that Tice taking over won't make as much of a difference as a whole new OC
I’d think learning all new terminology would be more difficult than learning completely new plays
Keeping McCown around would probably be a good idea too. He has been around the NFL for a while, and he has the athleticism/arm strength to do a lot of the same things Jay can do. Nowhere near Todd Collins levels of ineptitude here.
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Nowhere near Todd Collins levels of ineptitude here.
I believe our friend ranked number 80.
and isn’t saying McCown is nowhere near Todd Collins’ “level of ineptitude”
sorta like saying a blueberry muffin has better nutritional value than a (Hostess) Twinkie?
by BOBdaBEAR on Jan 16, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if Hanie was a product of the system
Martz’s system was complex and from what we hear terminology will be similar but kind of curious if Hanie would be serviceable under a simpler or more orthodox system. I doubt he returns but all those scouts had to of seen something for their confidence.
by TheMan1 on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't think...
the air under his passes, their wobbly nature, or the poor decision making can be blamed on the system. There were far too many flaws and mistakes for it to be anything but a general lack of NFL talent.
Hanie's a goner.
I would be open to keeping McCown. Bringing in another vet would be the perfect solution IMHO.
I never understood the entire Enderle thing. I’m actually a little pissed about it. The team WASTED a roster spot on this kid and refused to put him in for even a single snap. Practice squad him if you have no intention of playing him. If this kid was not ready to play by week 14 then I see no logical reason why he ever would be.
This^ was either a major coaching failure or draft failure, but a major failure nonetheless.
If you’re going to use a roster spot, make certain you use it on someone who will contribute.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 AM CST reply actions
if they put him on the practice squad they risk losing him
same as with LeVevour a couple years ago
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Hanie is a keeper
Two games of the four were arguable lost by Barber, one offside which cost a touchdown and the Denver goofs. A some of Hanie’s interceptions were deflections off of recievers hands (think Roy Williams) and the one to the D lineman was the same thing that McCown did at GB, both times a scramble due to protection breakdown. And McCown was given a simpler game plan. Hanie throws accurately, had a better QB rating in the Denver game than Tebow and was the victim of lots of drops. Bell should have started all four of those games, too. The Scouts are not wrong, this kid can play and letting him go would be a big step backward.

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