Bears GM Candidates: the Draft Value System Revisited
Last week, I set out to create an objective way to measure the draft success of the Bears' GM candidates. Thanks to the helpful feedback from WCGers, I have made some refinements to my system: the numbers now make a lot more sense than they did the last time around. For your consideration, here is an updated version of the WCG-exclusive Draft Value system, once again complete with charts!
Once again, if you don't want to delve into the underside of the Draft Value system, feel free to skip ahead to the new charts and see the top-line numbers.
For the trial run, the Draft Value system simply assigned every player a value based on three simple stats: years in the league + years as a starter + Pro Bowl seasons = Draft Value. There was a curve applied to each player, but this curve was based only on my estimates of how long a draft pick should stay in the league. Since the whole point of creating DV was to have an objective measurement of draft success, my "take a good guess and hope the numbers look good" system of curving the numbers was a major flaw in the system. To correct for this, I cross-tabulated the data from every draft pick I looked at, finding the median values for each of the three metrics in question. (These calculations can be seen here, if you're really curious.) I used the median values for each round (or set of two rounds, in the case of fourth & fifth/sixth & seventh rounders) to make sure that the best players from each round - the ones who were way above the average - wouldn't skew the numbers and give an "average" draft pick a negative value. The net effect of this new curve, though, is a much clearly system of measurment: now, negative draft values mean that a pick was a below-average pick, and positive values mean the pick was above-average. The new cross-tabs for my overall averages is here.
It was interesting to note that, even for first-round picks, the median amount of Pro Bowl seasons was still zero: even among players considering the best in their draft year, it's still tough to win that popularity/skill contest. Since Pro Bowl appearances are such a rare thing, one commenter - Sweetness Lives On - suggested that Pro Bowl berths shouldn't simply be added into a player's DV score, but instead should give the player's score a multiplier effect. Since simply multiplying the amount of Pro Bowl appearances by a player's seasons played + seasons started would give absurdly high numbers to perennial Pro Bowlers, Sweetness Lives On also suggested that the multiplier should be the square root of Pro Bowl appearances. For example, if Johnny Quarterback played in the league for seven seasons, started for five, and made two Pro Bowls, his uncurved score would now be (7+5)(1.4)=16.92, not (7+5+2)=12. For players with more than four Pro Bowls to their name, the multiplier will remain at 2: otherwise, the numbers would get really big really fast for the select few in this club. Also, if a player only makes one Pro Bowl, he will now get two points tacked on to his score, as a multiplier of 1 wouldn't change his DV but adding only one undervalues having a Pro Bowl appearance. With this addition in place, Draft Value now assumes that Pro Bowl players are up to twice as valuable as non-Pro-Bowlers.
It is very important to keep in mind as you look at the numbers that this is not a system of measuring player skill or performance. It is called "Draft Value" for a reason: the only thing I am interested in finding out is which GMs/teams are the best at drafting players who are able to stick around in the league, become starters, and/or make it to a Pro Bowl. This disconnect between what DV is designed to measure and our own common sense become apparent in what I will dub the "Frank Omiyale Effect."* I have corrected for the somewhat absurd outcome that Frank Omiyale had as many DV points as Roddy White, a result that suggests a flaw in the system. The first, the application of a Pro Bowl multiplier, was mentioned above. Between this change and the steeper curve on lower-round picks, Omiyale now only has a 3 DV while Roddy White has a 6.8, the highest of any first-rounder in 2005. Problem solved, and thanks to tomas21 for pointing out this weirdness.
(*Not to be confused with the other Frank Omiyale Effect, the one in which any team unfortunate enough to play him finds its quarterback face-down on the turf and is called for an endless number of false starts.)
As before, these numbers have to be read with a degree of caution. The biggest problem that I am unsure of how to correct for is the "Aaron Rodgers effect," as DV system does not account for a team whose draft needs are long-term. Ultimately, though, this effect would be ironed out by the end of a player's career: while an Aaron Rodgers might have sat on a bench for a couple of seasons, he will still earn lots of DV points for the seasons he is a starter or a Pro Bowler. This "time cures all things" problem is also why DV values from more recent years are lower. Simply put, I'm not in the prediction business. I don't want to account for the potential future DV of still-active players because it would require pulling a number out of thin air. I could apply a corrective based on the assumption that still-active players would stay in the league for an average length of time (i.e. just add on years to get the player's number to equal the average career length for that draft round), but since many of the still-active players are beyond this average already, this wouldn't really fix the problem either. Long story short, more recent numbers are still "in-progress scores" that can't really be accurately compared with earlier years.
With all that out of the way, let's turn to the actual numbers. Once again, remember that in this new and improved system, positive averages represent strong drafting and negative averages represent mediocre or poor drafting. The full cross-tabs can be viewed here, still color-coded to help you spot a candidate's WR, DB, and O-line picks and with a * by players who are still active in the league. The top-line averages for our candidates:
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|
Angelo |
Polian |
Ruskell |
Sundquist |
Emery |
Licht |
Raye |
Ross |
|
'01 |
0.37 |
6.60 |
2.30 |
2.87 |
0.37 |
3.94 |
7.46 |
4.28 |
|
'02 |
1.36 |
3.90 |
-1.91 |
0.58 |
1.36 |
2.08 |
0.96 |
4.41 |
|
'03 |
3.35 |
2.36 |
0.02 |
-3.72 |
3.35 |
6.04 |
1.46 |
-0.13 |
|
'04 |
0.16 |
1.24 |
2.88 |
-2.37 |
0.16 |
8.01 |
5.57 |
0.02 |
|
'05 |
1.83 |
-1.13 |
-0.68 |
0.52 |
1.12 |
-1.54 |
1.63 |
-0.22 |
|
'06 |
0.48 |
3.73 |
-0.58 |
3.71 |
-1.47 |
0.45 |
1.41 |
-0.37 |
|
'07 |
-1.53 |
-1.46 |
2.31 |
-0.45 |
-0.03 |
0.24 |
0.37 |
0.74 |
|
Total |
0.98 |
1.24 |
0.61 |
-0.12 |
1.05 |
2.99 |
2.85 |
1.17 |
What do these numbers mean, exactly? The easiest way to think about DV, especially in terms of its overall average, is how many seasons or starting seasons of "extra" value the GM got out of his draft class. This is even more true under the new curve, which moved the overall numbers clloser to zero. I won't re-hash my points from the last article, but my observations based on the averages from the old system hold up pretty well against these new averages. To put these new numbers into order, though, my ranking of our options would be:
- Jason Licht
- Jimmy Raye
- Bill Polian
- Marc Ross
- Phil Emery
Jerry Angelo- Tim Ruskell
- Ted Sundquist
The most alarming conclusion of this analysis is that "house candidate" Tim Ruskell would actually represent a down-grade from our former mediocrity. The good news is that all the serious candidates other than Ruskell have a history of being better than Jerry Angelo. And that's real good news given my general pessimism about our GM search after the best two candidates were taken off the board by Oakland and Baltimore.
Since I want to squeeze some more information out of all these numbers, let's look at another chart: the median values for each draft year. While taking the average has the effect of providing extra weight to really good picks - Jerry Angelo gets a really good 2003 draft score because he got a steal on Lance Briggs in the third round - the median gives a better sense of how good the "middle-of-the-road" player taken by each GM/team was.
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|
Angelo |
Polian |
Ruskell |
Sundquist |
Emery |
Licht |
Raye |
Ross |
|
'01 |
0.75 |
1.5 |
4.0 |
4.35 |
0.75 |
-1 |
1.0 |
4.0 |
|
'02 |
2.0 |
-0.25 |
-3.0 |
-0.5 |
2.0 |
3.5 |
-2.5 |
6.55 |
|
'03 |
0.0 |
-0.75 |
0.6 |
0.4 |
0.0 |
5.7 |
2.5 |
0.35 |
|
'04 |
-1.25 |
1.0 |
0.8 |
-2.0 |
-1.25 |
6.5 |
5.5 |
0.25 |
|
'05 |
1.5 |
-1.0 |
-2.0 |
0.85 |
0.25 |
1.2 |
1.0 |
-0.5 |
|
'06 |
-1.5 |
1.5 |
-.25 |
2.5 |
-1.15 |
0.5 |
0.35 |
0.0 |
|
'07 |
-2.0 |
-1.3 |
2.0 |
2.0 |
0.0 |
2.0 |
0.5 |
0.0 |
|
Overall |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.35 |
1.25 |
0.0 |
As you can see, the cream really rises to the top when we consider median. Essentially, these results show that only Jason Licht and Jimmy Raye have been able to find players that are consistently above average. While the other candidates may have been able to strike gold once or twice in each draft and get their averages up, this accounting shows that their picks quite literally tended towards the median. Our top two options, though, consistently added above-average players to their rosters. I just hope that it is in fact Licht and Raye who are in some way responsible for these sterling numbers, as I don't want the Bears to become the latest example of why you shouldn't promote the underlings who haven't done anything of note away from the nest. Given that Licht has been successful at two different teams, I would give him a slight edge in this department, but I think Raye would also prove to be a good GM choice for the Bears.
I would still like to do some more analysis of these numbers. What I am most interested in is finding out which has a bigger correlation to Draft Value: a team's record from the season before, or it's record from the season(s) after? If it turned out to be the team's past record, it would suggest that having higher draft picks leads to better overall drafting. If future records had a stronger correlation, however, it would be a nice feather in my statistical cap: that would show that these numbers have the potential to be statistically valid, i.e. a team's Draft Value for a season would predict how well they did in the years after. There are also plenty of improvements that could be made, the biggest being applying an extra weighting for position. Since career lengths differ wildly - running backs' careers are short, kickers careers are long, etc. - it would only make sense to measure each player against draft round and positional averages. This double-weighting would make DV an even more robust system, but I would need a more robust data set to get positional averages: while I have around 400 players in my data set so far, some positions would only be represented by a handful players Anyone feel like typing a hundred or so drafts into a spreadsheet and sorting them by position and round for me?
I hope you have enjoyed following me on my quest through Mathmagic Land. The numbers show that we are definitely on the right track with our search and things are looking up even more than I thought. Let's send anti-Ruskell thoughts in Ted Phillips' general direction and hope for the best. For now, though, please continue to offer your feedback on my system and discuss our GM prospects down in the comments.
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So your sayin this math thing works ???
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 16, 2012 9:03 PM CST reply actions
Ummm Me too ...... I guess I kinda still like Ross & Raye . Does this math stuff support them ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 16, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Why are you plaeding the right to bear arms ? ;-)
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 16, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
I try man I try ...
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 16, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Man, I just watched Money Ball and that was confusing enough. Now this!
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
looking good
and those are our first two interviews, today and tomorrow. I like it.
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You lost me at multiplier
You touched on it a little, but four out of the top five weren’t GMs. It’s very difficult to ascertain who was ultimately responsible for drafting a stud, above average, or dud player. Lots of times there are disagreements about who to draft. Most of the time the GM has the veto power.
Regardless, it does help a little with the effectiveness of each candidate.
Nice post!
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I talked a bit more about that in my last post
The long and short of it is that, since there is no way to know what happens on draft day, I’ll just happily assume that the underlings and GM were all in complete agreement and give everyone on a team’s staff full credit for their draft. I did take a liberal use with the term “GM” at points, but is shorter than writing GM/Director of Pro Personnel/Director of College Scouting/Regional Scout every time I want to refer to the group as a whole.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 17, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Pompei today
said that Licht wasn’t even in the war room on draft day, and is strictly a pro player personnel evaluator with the Pats. So I think we can disregard the Patriot’s score, even tough it was a lot of work to create it.
Also, for the record, YaoPau pointed out the Omiyale/Roddy thing. I just wouldn’t let it go. :)
I like the new system better for sure. The methods are now pretty complicated, so it’s hard to tell how accurate the numbers are. But it passes the eye test much better.
Last, I would suggest putting “median” in your table at the bottom instead of “total”.
With Licht
I suppose he at least has been privy to the Pat’s excellent draft evaluations. Also, he was only with the Pats through ‘02, and had equal success in Arizona – he was the one option who had equally good numbers between both his jobs over this span of time. And I’ll fix that graph label.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
good job on the piece
I can only hope that the Bears have done some sort of statistical analysis similar to this. Like you said, if Tim Ruskell would be a step-down from Jerry Angelo, then there is no reason to consider him for the GM spot.
Let’s see if George McCaskey is really serious when he says his number one goal is that the Bears win a Superbowl…
Babyjesus54
I think this, for what it dictates, very much speaks to our front offices ability in recent years to prioritize value over the entire draft. I realize we have, as he said ,"struck gold " but how many picks wasted on inadequate players at the nfl level. Overall loved the analysis good job
by Les Lancaster on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 PM CST via Android app reply actions
On Raye
In 2005, the Chargers drafted Shawn Merriman, Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles and Luis Castillo. That is about as well as you can do in a draft, but they only get a 1.63 for it.
The Bears got a similar score that year. They took Benson, Mark Bradley, Orton, Aerise Curry, Chris Harris, and Rod Wilson. Benson, Bradley and Curry were all complete busts for the Bears. Orton and Harris were both great picks, but not stars.
Until Merriman’s injuries caught up with him, he was one of the top players in all the NFL. Vincent Jackson is a top 10 wide receiver in the league. Sproles has done a lot more with New Orleans than he did with the Chargers, but he was a solid contributor there (probably comparable value to Harris). Castillo was a good defensive lineman.
I think I’m back to not believing your score gives an accurate reflection of a draft’s value or how it impacts a team. A team like the Chargers doesn’t get near enough credit for finding 2 superstars in one draft, and a team like the Bears doesn’t get penalized near enough for drafting a bust with a top 5 pick. I don’t mean offense, I’m just giving my opinion. If nothing else this serves for interesting discussion.
re: Merriman and Sproles
Merriman couldn’t stay on the field, so he should get a score closer to a Tommie Harris than a Lance Briggs. Vincent Jackson, same thing: too many injuries, not enough full seasons. What you see as undervaluing, I see as spot on. And Sproles, who is a very good player, has never been a full-time starter: my assumption is that teams think/know he’s too small to be on the field for the 30+ snaps that a starting RB would have. The Chargers ‘05 draft was good for them in the short-term, but they didn’t get a huge return on it.
On the Bears’ side of the coin, Cedric Benson has shown in CIN that “he was who we thought he was,” a first-round talent who could be a long-term starter. I won’t penalize Angelo because Lovie and Co. couldn’t coach that out of him the way Lewis has been able to. I do agree, however, that the overall averages don’t tell the whole story, which is why I made the cross-tabs available. To me, however, these numbers look pretty good: Benson (0 DV) was a perfectly average first-round pick, Merriman (3.4 DV) was better than average, and Jackson (4 DV) a bit better than that.
In general, it’s also somewhat interesting to see that most draft classes are pretty average: even the “best drafting teams” don’t have results that are far above what the “he can jump out of a pool!” Bears had.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
With Benson
I believe it was more to do with his maturation and knowing he didn’t have many chances left to deliver on the field, and to stay somewhat clean off of it. I think you got it right since the Bolts players have been hurt, inconsistent and one par time starter.
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by propheteer on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Benson was a bust for the Bears
What he did with another team after his rookie contract expired is irrelevant to evaluating him as a draft pick for Angelo. Benson was NOT an average first round pick, particularly for someone taken top 5. He never topped 800 yards with the Bears. He was plodding, soft, and ineffective.
As far Jackson, he’s had his issues, but he’s a home run as a 3rd round pick. Whatever his shortcomings, he is going to be one of, if not the highest paid players this off-season. People wouldn’t give him all that money if he hadn’t far exceeded his draft status. If they redrafted today, he’d be a sure-fire first round pick. Benson would not go in the first round.
I agree with your comparison of Tommie Harris to Merriman, but I think they were both great first round picks. They had short careers, but during their rookie contract they were true difference-makers.
Sproles is a nice player. He isn’t an every down back, but in the role he plays, he’s very valuable. He was a great pick, in my opinion.
I appreciate your work, and it definitely makes for interesting discussion. I just don’t agree that the numbers you are using give an accurate representation of how well a GM drafted. I can’t criticize you too much, because I haven’t taken the time to put together numbers for a better system. It’s all just my opinion.
Second, since we aren’t looking to hire the GM from any of these drafts, it’s really hard to use these numbers to assess the candidates. Not only are we not interviewing the GMs, but in some cases we are interviewing someone who had nothing to do with the draft (Licht), and another guy in Raye who is a pro player personnel guy (and serves under a really controlling GM who may not cede responsibility for the draft, particularly to a pro personnel guy).
Just a check on your spreadsheet:
Ruskell tab, 2007 draft, round 5 pick, LB Will Herring has a Weighting for Round Picked value of +6 not -6. Wouldn’t correcting this lower Ruskell’s numbers even more?
I really like the concept here...
…but I can’t help but be bothered by any value being given to Pro Bowlers. It’s a popularity contest and has very little to do with actual skill, especially for the OL.
It would probably take a ton more work, but using advanced metrics from FO or PFF might be better as a general gauge of how a player performed that year… maybe using some value like DVOA, DYAR, etc. to rate guys in tiers such as top-10, 10-20, etc. at his position?
DraftTek does a column where they look back at drafts and rates them, which could be helpful:
They also do player retention which I think is cool to look at:
I don’t agree with a lot of their analysis on player’s but the concept is somewhat similar and interesting to thing about.
Still very cool concept.
They gave Joe Haden a 75
and Jason Pierre-Paul a 50. So that eval is either outdated or done by someone who doesn’t watch football ever.
First Off - REALLY nice job on this Steve
This took a great amount of time and thoughtfulness. It may not be perfect but I would suggest this methodology is certainly relevant.
Based upon your conclusions, I would suggest that Raye is the best candidate. Based upon his consistency (he never had a negative draft) he would seem to be a logical choice.
Licht is a very close second. Either one of these guys I would be fine with, based upon their experience and success.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 17, 2012 9:51 AM CST reply actions
It would be cool
To take a look at the scores of some of our competitors GM’s. That may give a better comparison.
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